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US Army Tests Swarms of Drones In Major Exercise (itworld.com)

itwbennett writes: The U.S. Army, curious about the potential threat and usefulness of off-the-shelf drones, brought consumer quadcopters and octocopters to the Network Integration Evaluation war games that concluded earlier this month at White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico, and Fort Bliss, Texas. "During the exercise, which is used by the Army to help evaluate new technology, the drones were deployed as a swarm to simulate a threat,' writes Martyn Williams. 'Later, the Army expanded the trials to discover whether it might be able to make use of the same technology." The results are pretty much what you'd expect: "It has been proved that consumer [drones] can be used for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, distraction tactics and, in the future, the ability to drop small munitions," said Barry Hatchett with the Army's Program Executive Office for Simulation, Training and Instrumentation.

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  1. So basically... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    We're talking about Tracker Jackers.

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    1. Re:So basically... by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      That or EPIC drops in the field!

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      Drone en route...

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    2. Re:So basically... by Rei · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah - I think the concept of "dropping" munitions is thinking about it wrong. If you're dropping it, then it has to be a "smart munition" (wherein what's the point of a smart carrier?"), and if it's dumb, you're never going to hit by just dropping. And if you're not considering your craft expendible than you have to try to protect it, and you have to have the range to get back. Which rules out deploying your drones as effective "submunitions" of another delivery vehicle (drones dropped by plane, balloon or rocket technically don't even need motors, just control surfaces to control their glide to their targets)

      "modified consumer drones" = cheap, but with camera and a degree of processing power = suicide seeker craft. Give it enough power to do basic image recognition, run it remotely until it gets (inevitably) jammed wherein it switches over to automated tracking and does its best to hit its target, in as rapid of a dive as it can manage. Plastic/composite = low radar cross signature. Small visibility cross section, and could be made out of clear plastic if desired. Low heat signature - on a glider, nearly none. You're talking something very hard to detect, and very hard to hit even if you detected it. And probably a lot cheaper than any countermeasure rocket you might try to launch at it. It doesn't take some massive weapon to take out an armoured vehicle - usually 1-4kg, depending on the warhead. So while we're not talking microdrones here, we're not talking about something huge either.

      In a way, weapons are already moving in this direction. Look at the Javelin, for example. It doesn't just home in on a the center of some heat source - it uses multiple spectral frequencies and a 64x64 pixel sensor and processes the images with pattern-matching algorithms to aim for the place where the target will be located (not where it is), to avoid being tricked by decoys, and to pick the "sweet spot" on its target. It goes up - by rocket power, not prop power, but nonetheless - cruises laterally, then rapidly descends on its target. The operator doesn't need to be at the location of firing or continuously paint the target. Etc. It's a rocket, not a drone, but one can see the same strategy applied to drones. The main difference is that a rocket uses a big heavy, obvious thrust system to try to get to a target before it can get out of the way or hide, while a drone does its best to not be seen, taking its time until it finds a good opportunity and then striking.

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    3. Re:So basically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, it's the Army. They just sent the boys to the chow hall.

    4. Re:So basically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just set the home point of any of the 3 top-end consumer drones out there. Do an RTH, and if anything screws up, it will RTH anyway.

      It's brain-numbing simple they can send a bunch of consumer drones and sacrifice them.

  2. Also resupply by cmeans · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I could easily see drones being used to resupply both ammo and medical consumables. Heavy duty drones could also possibly be used to ferry the wounded off the field of battle...though I guess it also just makes another target.

    1. Re:Also resupply by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2

      Small, cheap, expendable drones carrying the equivalent of a hand grenade could attack individual enemy soldiers. Slightly bigger ones could carry the equivalent of the warhead of an RPG, come close overhead of an armoured vehicle, and fire down into it. Ukraine could certainly use such things.

    2. Re:Also resupply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could easily see drones being used to resupply both ammo and medical consumables.

      Did and done.

    3. Re:Also resupply by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Small, cheap, expendable drones

      You are joking, right? When the DOD gets around to ordering them, they will cost several million dollars each.

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    4. Re:Also resupply by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Small, cheap, expendable drones carrying the equivalent of a hand grenade could attack individual enemy soldiers. Slightly bigger ones could carry the equivalent of the warhead of an RPG, come close overhead of an armoured vehicle, and fire down into it. Ukraine could certainly use such things.

      Brilliant idea

      It attaches to a soldiers back, announcing "I'm a thirty second bomb, I'm a thirty second bomb! Twenty-nine! Twenty-eight! Twenty-seven!..."

      The soldier runs for help from his fellows, hoping they can remove it in time...

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    5. Re:Also resupply by kesuki · · Score: 2

      Sadly children with soccer balls will be the undoing of military drones. http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-30/schoolboy-takes-out-drone-with-football/6900706

    6. Re:Also resupply by qbzzt · · Score: 1

      A few million dollars each IS cheap for military equipment.

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    7. Re: Also resupply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a great idea! Let's put bombs in soccer balls and blow kids up!

    8. Re:Also resupply by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      (and watch as all the Skinnies run :)

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  3. Alert: pedantry incoming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cue the hairsplitters screaming "THEY'RE NOT DRONES!" and then pulling some definition of "drone" out of their ass that excludes whatever they don't like...

    1. Re:Alert: pedantry incoming by turkeydance · · Score: 2

      "drones" are like sex tape (duct tape?)

    2. Re:Alert: pedantry incoming by Cederic · · Score: 1

      There's something so inherently wrong with using the term "sex tape" to describe duct tape that I may have to start doing so.

  4. taking out power grids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    As has been demonstrated by a wayward military blimp recently, if you hang a long cables from drones and fly them into high voltage power lines, you have a pretty good chance of taking down part of the power grid.

    1. Re:taking out power grids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or drop poison into water supplies.

      Or shut down highways.

      Or disrupt industrial production.

      Lots of creative ways to use drones.

    2. Re:taking out power grids by perpenso · · Score: 4, Informative

      As has been demonstrated by a wayward military blimp recently, if you hang a long cables from drones and fly them into high voltage power lines, you have a pretty good chance of taking down part of the power grid.

      Such weapons already exist. Aerial bombs that release long strings of conductive material above ground, the material then drifts down onto power lines and power stations and shorts things out. NATO used such weapons in the Balkans in the 1990s to avoid casualties and permanent infrastructure damage.

    3. Re:taking out power grids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heck, you'd do more psychological damage sending a bunch of these into congested areas:
      http://abc7.com/news/drone-hits-west-hollywood-power-lines-causes-power-outage/1052589/

      I was stuck in the resulting traffic and I'd tell you it wasn't fun.

  5. Major Excersize by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

    US Army Tests Swarms of Drones In Major Exercise

    "If I was you Major, I'd run..."

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  6. Suicide drones by ArylAkamov · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would think the real threat would come from swarms loaded with TATP or some other easy to manufacture explosive. Simply attack a target by swarming it and then exploding upon impact.

    What do you do when there are huge swarms of flying suicide bombers coming at you?

    1. Re:Suicide drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Combinatorics?
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_target_assignment_problem

    2. Re:Suicide drones by Garfong · · Score: 1

      I think you've re-invented the guided missile.

    3. Re:Suicide drones by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      Yeah, not exactly anything new but what is more suspicious to buy? Which is easier to source, cheaper, etc.

    4. Re:Suicide drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you do when there are huge swarms of flying suicide bombers coming at you?

      I would grab a white blanket and try to crawl to a cemetery.

      On a more serious note, I would be surprised if the only person to strap a weapon on a cheap drone recently is the only one that had similar idea. Probably easiest way to do this would be to find a stash of trusty grenades made in 40-50s, strap 2-3 on a drone and fly it into something. Bonus points if drone has a "bomber bay" and software that can calculate a precise timed drop mid flight just above someones head. Even if grenade doesn't explode, it would cause a major headache.

    5. Re:Suicide drones by Krishnoid · · Score: 2

      Build a close-in weapons system, fit it with lasers, and run a few fun^H^H^H destructive tests.

    6. Re:Suicide drones by perpenso · · Score: 2

      I would think the real threat would come from swarms loaded with TATP or some other easy to manufacture explosive. Simply attack a target by swarming it and then exploding upon impact. What do you do when there are huge swarms of flying suicide bombers coming at you?

      Close the hatch on the armored vehicle, repaint the exterior as needed when you get back to base?

      Slight mod to your design. Ditch the homemade stuff and just go with a low tech claymore mine. Its hard to image that the army has not already mounted a claymore to the bottom of a drone at some testing range.

    7. Re:Suicide drones by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

      Fishing line nets, launched or hung between obstacles.. might not stop them all but could muck up the first few waves.

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    8. Re:Suicide drones by Cederic · · Score: 1

      More of a mobile aerial minefield. You don't need to worry about guidance, just make it impossible to get through without contact.

    9. Re:Suicide drones by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Recoil would be problematic. Jettisoning a grenade is probably easier and less likely to destroy the done (assuming adequate altitude).

    10. Re:Suicide drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First you say that it's a more serious note and then you mention bonking someone on the head with a grenade as though a headache is a valuable goal in combat. I chuckled.

  7. Drones a step back wrt medical evacuation by perpenso · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I could easily see drones being used to resupply both ammo and medical consumables. Heavy duty drones could also possibly be used to ferry the wounded off the field of battle...though I guess it also just makes another target.

    The current medevac helicopters with white and red international medical evacuation markings are already targets for some enemies. The problem with the drone is that medevac (unarmed, marked) and casevac (armed, unmarked) aircraft not only provide quick transportation but also have medics and corpsmen (Navy medical personnel that go into combat with Marines) onboard to provide treatment during the flight. Drones would be a step back to WW2 and Korean War days where helicopters could only provide transportation.

    Maybe a hybrid approach. If the landing zone is hot (under fire) medevac/casevac land somewhere "safe" nearby and the drones only ferry the wounded to them. Hopefully only a few blocks in an urban environment, 1/4 mile in undeveloped terrain?

    1. Re:Drones a step back wrt medical evacuation by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A drone might be harder to target than a medevac helicopter. It has no crew, only needing to carry the one patient, so it can automatically be much smaller and lighter, which means a smaller target and lower heat signature. And that's assuming it's still combustion-powered. An electric medevac drone would obviously have a much shorter range, but could still be useful to get people from a raid back to a FOB. Switching from ICE to electric would further reduce your heat signature 3-4 fold. It could (potentially) also be quieter.

      Smaller could also potentially mean "portable". A team raiding a village could potentially bring one with them, leaving it ready to go on the outskirts. Which raises other possibilities: transporting people into raid areas (although you'd have little to no armour) or even transporting secured prisoners out.

      While electric sucks in terms of range per kg, it excels in terms of power per kg. So if you're not trying to move people far...

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    2. Re:Drones a step back wrt medical evacuation by perpenso · · Score: 1

      In that hybrid approach I mentioned I was envisioning the casevac aircraft carrying in and deploying the drone for that last "1/4 mile".

  8. The Army is a little behind the times... by thermowax · · Score: 1

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/drones/news/a17371/record-breaking-drone-swarm/

    And I don't think anyone who knows anything about drones, consumer grade or otherwise, doesn't immediately grasp their potential for surveillance and munition delivery.

  9. Pull! by ISoldat53 · · Score: 2

    It's time to return shotguns to the Army.

    1. Re:Pull! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here we go with the stupid caveman gun solution.

      Guns have one purpose--shot organisms--they move slow.

      Drones are going to have wide view, mid-speed cameras such that in a few years, high speed cameras for stuff like SLAM will be on these things, and they can be used for projectile tracking--and be fast enough to avoid the stupid guns shots. They'll be robots, they wil dodge bullets.

      Pandora's box for skynet is open folks.

  10. Dropping munitions? Make them the munitions... by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

    Mount a small camera, pair with a viewing device, remote pilot "drone" with a kg or so of plastic explosive attached to it and detonate at target. Don't worry about "dropping" the munition. If it gets shot down, remote trigger detonation anyway.

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  11. PT boats by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When the Navy runs economically based war games (simulations), fleets of small ships overwhelm and dominate similar budgets spent on large capital ships or fleets of mixed size.

    Thing is, the Navy, Air Force, Army, etc. isn't about winning conflicts based on having the most powerful force we can field for a given budget. Shock and Awe play a huge part - the political power of stealth bombers, nuclear subs and aircraft carriers is in their ability to put a sense of dread and hopelessness into the enemy without having to fire a shot, or risk a life.

    So, in this instance, I imagine that if you spent the cost of a modern B-52 on a fleet of small munitions equipped drones, you could probably pummel the hell out of any target within the drones' range, the death of a thousand cuts. There are some logistics problems, and the whole fleet could be overwhelmed with large air-bursts that exceed their flight capabilities, but if that same defensive firepower were targeted on the B-52, it would come down too. Obviously, consumer grade stuff isn't made to withstand any kind of challenge, but 100 small drones that can fly at 30,000 feet and an operational range of ~100 miles - that can be quite a threat.

  12. Non-lethal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one thinking of non-lethal drones? Some examples.

    - An "electric eel drone" that seeks out the face of enemy fighters, clings to it (think alien) and shocks them if they try to pull loose. Could be used in environments with civilians present. Think tazer + small drone + cell phone camera.

    - Underwater drone that finds submarines, clings to them and sends out a tracking signal.

    - Sea drones that entagles propellers of ships that needs to be caught with wire/net/mesh/etc.

    1. Re:Non-lethal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Automatic minefield laying and removal by drones is interesting new concept.

      Stealthily layminefield around enemy position with drones, advertise it to enemy and tell them tell when they are ready to surrender. No shots fired and enemy troops are neatly contained. Can even be supplied with drones.

      Same thing with your own troops. Taking camp? Drones will automatically lay minefield around you. Ready to go? Press button and drones will collect every mine for reuse in next location.

      Area denial? Dont send troops, just send drones to deploy mines to location and remove them after minefield is not needed. Every mines location will be documented and wont be forgotten.

  13. elsfarat by khaled25585 · · Score: 1
  14. Mosquito-like drones are my biggest fear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tiny drones that fly into soldiers like darts, inject nanites that coordinate to clot major arteries, and the victim suffers a stroke/cardiac arrest in 3...2...

  15. Focused fire... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been talking about swarms of A.I. drones for years, since they were always an obvious evolution. One idea I had for weaponry would be something like 2W lasers. Not that much power, portable, and not necessary destructive aside from blinding... But have a few hundred drones all focus their 2W laser at one location and it suddenly becomes noteworthy.

  16. Inevitable by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    So, how long until some large well-funded organized group of nasty people get their hands on several of these and sets them to killing innocent civilians?

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