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US Law Can't Keep Up With Technology -- and Why That's a Good Thing (newsweek.com)

HughPickens.com writes: In the 1910s, the number of cars in the US exploded from 200,000 to 2.5 million. The newfangled machines scared horses and ran over pedestrians, but by the time government could pass the very first traffic law, it was too late to stop them. Now Kevin Matley writes in Newsweek that thanks to political gridlock in the US, lawmakers respond to innovations with all the speed of continental drift. New technologies spread almost instantly and take hold with almost no legal oversight. According to Matley, this is terrific for tech startups, especially those aimed at demolishing creaky old norms—like taxis, or flight paths over crowded airspace, or money. "Drone aircraft are suddenly filling the sky, and a whole multibillion-dollar industry of drone making and drone services has taken hold," says Matley. "If the FAA had been either farsighted or fast moving, at the first sign of drones it might've outlawed them or confined them to someplace like Oklahoma where they can't get in the way of anything too important. But now the FAA is forced to accommodate drones, not the other way around." Bitcoin is another example of a technology that's too late to stop. "But have you heard the word bitcoin uttered once in any of the presidential debates? Government doesn't even understand bitcoin, and that's been really good for it." Uber and Airbnb show how to execute this outrun-the-government strategy. By the time cities understood what those companies were doing, it was too late to block or seriously limit them.

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  1. It's not too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My own city fines purveyors of airbnb offerings on a per night basis.

  2. Bitcoin? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "But have you heard the word bitcoin uttered once in any of the presidential debates? "

    Obviously not. What we did hear, is that politicians have still problems understanding email and that's technology in their 30ies.

    1. Re:Bitcoin? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      most of the candidates are in the 50's or 60's.

      You can't understand technology if you don't learn and most people stop learning once they turn 25.

      That's why at age 37 I started playing the violin. if you stop learning you go stupid. And I don't want to be stupid.

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    2. Re:Bitcoin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you haven't yet learned how to not learn?

    3. Re:Bitcoin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would be the point in talking about? It's irevelant and likely past its peak. I doubt it will be worth zero soon, but it won't be worth much.

      It's trying to work in a market that doesn't need it.

    4. Re:Bitcoin? by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      Offtopic, but how easy has the violin been for you to pick up?

      I'm interested in hearing how easy a musical instrument is to pick up in someone much older than the normal beginner.

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    5. Re:Bitcoin? by avandesande · · Score: 1

      I started playing a few years ago (42) when my son was beginning suzuki and decided to keep it up. After a while my teacher convinced me to switch to viola so I have been doing that.
      It's not easy, but that's not why I am doing it. We have some volunteer orchestras in my area and my goal is to get good enough to play in one of them.

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    6. Re:Bitcoin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bitcoin is nothing but proof that our system of valuing currency is a complete farce and that someone rich enough can pass off nothing but thin air and the service of recording a transaction in order to trade goods with other rich people.

    7. Re:Bitcoin? by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Which politicians? The last I heard was McCain. It wasn't that he didn't understand it - it was that he couldn't type due to physical injuries.

      Which politician, in today's world (not 1986 or 1996) doesn't know how to use email?

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    8. Re:Bitcoin? by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Either that or it's a means of exchange and not a means of valuing currency. Why are you so vested in giving American Express, Master Card and other banks 2-3% of the economy in order to guarantee cash-less transactions?

      <sarcasm> Are you a shill? /sarcasm

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    9. Re:Bitcoin? by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      It's not easy, but that's not why I am doing it.

      I don't suppose it would be worth doing if it were. :-)

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    10. Re:Bitcoin? by Feyshtey · · Score: 2

      By what standard do you suggest that most people stop learning by age 25? That makes no sense whatsoever.

      If you're just referring to the fact that by 25 most people have stopped going to school I'll grant you that much. Aside from the fact that its apparent many dont learn much beyond how to do keg stands while college, most everyone continues to learn throughout their lives. Even beyond retirement age. If you dont you stagnate in your career and in your relationships. And most of that learning cannot be replicated in any kind of school other than that of real life.

      I commend you for taking up a musical instrument, age aside. But if you felt you needed to do that so that you continued using your mind, I'd seriously reevaluate your life.

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    11. Re:Bitcoin? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Which politicians? The last I heard was McCain. It wasn't that he didn't understand it - it was that he couldn't type due to physical injuries. Which politician, in today's world (not 1986 or 1996) doesn't know how to use email?

      It's been a few years, but Ted Stevens is probably the most (in)famous example of the past decade.

    12. Re:Bitcoin? by Anguirel · · Score: 1
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    13. Re:Bitcoin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't understand technology if you don't learn and most people stop learning once they turn 25.

      A lot of people don't learn much before 25 either

  3. Why should they? by Monoman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why should laws keep up with technology? Laws should be written in such a way that the technology involved doesn't matter. Typically laws should be about an outcome more than a method. There are already so many laws on the books that the first thing to look at is if an existing law applies. If not, is there a law that should be amended to cover the new technology?

    Example: Highway speed limits are for all motor vehicles and not just a specific type of vehicle. It does not matter how many wheels (car, motorcycle, tractor trailer, etc) the car has, what type of the engine (gas, diesel, electric) is under the hood, what kind of transmission (auto, manual), or if if has some fancy new electronic accessory ... the speed limit is the speed limit.

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    1. Re:Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In a best case scenario, what you think should work, but...

      There is a question of who has jurisdiction over regulation, and the vast majority of regulatory laws aren't even specified by congress. They abrogate the responsibility, and so you have several agencies, often with contradictory regulations, trying to claim their piece of the action.

      Example: suppose self-driving cars become a thing. If the can communicate with each other, they should be able to travel at very high speeds safely.

      How do you regulate for that within the existing framework?

    2. Re:Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Example: Highway speed limits are for all motor vehicles and not just a specific type of vehicle.

      Not true, many jurisdictions have different speed limits for heavy trucks.

    3. Re:Why should they? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      > Example: Highway speed limits are for all motor vehicles

      But trucks used to be _much_ smaller than modern double wides or tanker-trucks for fuel and chemical delivery, so a whole new set of laws about the _construction_ of the highways and the weight capacity of the bridges was needed. And simple safety regulations about handling fuel for diesel, versus electric capacity, and about the quality of the fuel become critical pretty quickly to avoid fraudulent dilution of fuel. And mo9dern highways certainly didn't exist at the time of invention of the car, so what speeds _should_ be allowed on them? It also affects the safe radius for turns on the highway, and necessary ramping and markings to help drivers stay on the road.

    4. Re:Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's in their (the political elite and overall Federal law making industry) interest to develop contorted and twisted legal framework that can be used to micro-manage all aspect of American lives. It's how the political elite derive and maintain their power. In other words, these laws are NOT TO BENEFIT YOU!!!

    5. Re:Why should they? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      Laws should be written in such a way that the technology involved doesn't matter

      Laws often apply to situations that didn't exist before some technology was invented. There was no little need to regulate traffic when a horse drawn cart on a rickety road was the fastest anyone went. There was no need to regulate wiretapping before the telephone was invented. There was no need to regulate the aggregation of large amount of personal data before large datacentres became cost effective to build, and so on. There may be some debate over whether hand-gun ownership should be regulated, but the invention of portable rocket launchers that could level buildings meant that at least some form of regulation was needed for private militias.

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    6. Re:Why should they? by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      In Israel, the speed limit does vary based on vehicle type. There is a maximum that applies to cars and motorcycles, and lower limits for other types of vehicles.

    7. Re:Why should they? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Why should laws keep up with technology?

      Because people think that new technology is special and the old rules should not apply.

      Take for example the "right to be forgotten" in the EU. It has existed for decades, governing things like credit reference agencies, what parts of their criminal past people have to report to employers etc. Then Google comes along and offers a service that lets you get all that data on someone for free, and because it's on the internet somehow the old laws should not apply.

      Personally I agree that the old law is fine, but many people here argue that technology means it is now outdated and must be changed to reflect the realities of the modern world.

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    8. Re: Why should they? by Ambassador+Kosh · · Score: 1

      This seems like a recipe to have complete stagnation. Developing and getting a new technology made available would be a horrible battle every time.

      If our economic system can't survive with our changing technology then it is time to change the economic system and not the technology.

      The VAST majority of people fear change and if they voted on allowing laptops, cell phones, genetic engineering, self driving cars, the internet etc it would all be not allowed. If you want to fight change and live the past there are countries that follow that path. Mostly they are not doing very well.

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    9. Re:Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There is a question of who has jurisdiction over regulation,

      Sounds like it is time for a national legislative rationalization project in the US. On the subject of regulation, is the issue here really about timely regulation, Habsburg Empire style over-specific regulation, or over-regulation in general?
      Timely regulation should decrease investor risks, increase public confidence, protect from unnecessary legal liabilities, improve public safety, and empower democratic society. Freedom of the enterprise, underlying legal principles and the constitution should always protect against misuse of regulation against beneficial innovation.

      suppose self-driving cars become a thing. If the can communicate with each other, they should be able to travel at very high speeds safely.

      That works only if all the cars are autonomous, or at least connected. Then there is the traffic planning. Highways, intersections and traffic control in cities are planned based on the lower speeds. Connected cars would enable better traffic control and management, of course. Only if we had a German traffic planner to answer how those Autobahns work in practice in this regard.

    10. Re:Why should they? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, you raise a good point. Recently the California Coastal Commission enacted a regulation banning the breeding of orcas at Sea World. The mission of the California Coastal Commission is "To protect, conserve, restore, and enhance the environment of the California coastline". What does Sea World breeding orcas have to do with that mission?

      The Commission's justification for this regulation was that no one else was regulating Sea World in this area, so they were free to do so. Notice, they did not point to a law which gave them the authority to regulate Sea World. They just assumed that such regulation was appropriate and, since no other government agency was doing so, enacted a regulation.

      This is NOT how our government is supposed to work.

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    11. Re: Why should they? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Obviously you're a Green. Their default response to anything new is to react in the same reflexive the way mainline churches do to changes in social mores.

      Technology IS people, dumbass. We do science because we are curious about that is going on in the natural world, and then whenever the science uncovers something we can apply to making our lives easier, someone will try it.

      In your full-employment economy, there are a certain number of people whose job it is to break up one-ton rocks into pieces small enough to haul away from a construction site so a house can be built. It takes you a week to bust and haul each rock. When some engineer invents a machine to do this job, your role in life is not to crawl off in a corner and die. It's to learn how to operate the machine. When the machine for hauling away one-ton rocks gets scaled up to haul away ten- and one-hundred ton rocks, you can be part of the team that builds high-rises, not just houses. Then you're working on the Panama Canal.

    12. Re:Why should they? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Right to be forgotten was designed to apply to companies whose explicit charter is to gather specified kinds of information about individuals, like credit history, so that their financial clients can be informed about those individuals. Companies that do this job well, which gather more detail, are rewarded with more business from banks as their operations become recognized as standards. Right-to-be-forgotten laws were written to limit the applicability of the standard in the interest of fairness for all. It's like setting a standard for what goes into your medical record.

      Now Google comes along, with its auto-indexing of everything that happens to be online. It's not targeting any particular demographic, and certainly not any specific individual. It's just giving users, who are not a paying clientele themselves, view information that appears online. Applying right to be forgotten to search engines is censoring a library catalogue.

    13. Re:Why should they? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Example: Highway speed limits are for all motor vehicles and not just a specific type of vehicle. It does not matter how many wheels (car, motorcycle, tractor trailer, etc) the car has, what type of the engine (gas, diesel, electric) is under the hood, what kind of transmission (auto, manual), or if if has some fancy new electronic accessory ... the speed limit is the speed limit.

      Sigh. Why do people make car analogies when they've never driven out of their neighborhood? In many states, there is a separate speed limit for vehicles which are towing. In California, where we have the most people, the most vehicles, the most miles of road, and the most vehicle-miles traveled, the speed limit while towing is 55, no matter what you are driving or what you are towing. But the same vehicle, when not towing, travels at whatever the posted speed limit might be. (Sometimes that's 55.)

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    14. Re:Why should they? by dave420 · · Score: 1

      In the same way that libel is censoring speech, sure.

    15. Re:Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back before motor cars there was barely any reason for speed limits. Horses could only go so fast. Both politicians and most of the public would have said you were wasting their time if you suggested they spend time thinking about regulating activities that were impossible. Or why have laws against recording conversations before recording devices were invented? Admittedly, we now have an entire genre of entertainment (SF) which could prepare us to think about this; but it doesn't seem to have helped much.

    16. Re:Why should they? by JakartaDean · · Score: 1

      Typically laws should be about an outcome more than a method.

      Thanks for putting this so eloquently. This is a concept I have tried to explain to people in the past (even at work in a previous job) and I lacked your excellent phrasing.

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    17. Re:Why should they? by dywolf · · Score: 2

      your speed limit example is actually a perfect example of how laws DO in fact need to keep pace and don't.
        especially as we move towards autonomous vehicles, but in fact applicable even with today's vehicles.

      a high performance sports car can easily handle higher speeds and sharper turns than a semi hauling two trailers.
      yet both are given the same 70mph limit, even though its rather too much for the double semi, and rather below the sports cars safe capability.

      so why shouldn't they have different legal limits on what's safely acceptable?
      in fact many areas DO impose special limits on larger vehicles such as semis and trailers.

      and isn't one of the goals of autonomous vehicles the ability for each vehicle to adapt to every other, cooperatively creating a best case scenario for each vehicle? in their autonomous decision making such a cooperative network should easily be able to keep the two trailer semi moving steadily forward safely, while also allowing other traffic, including our high performance sports car, to route around it at their own individual best/safe speeds.

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      privacy is another area where laws haven't kept pace.
      before the internet and the ability mass data mine encyclopedias on every individual from seemingly innocuous information, there wasn't much thought given to that information. there was safety because there was no ability to collate such a vast amount of data. but in the last 15 years that has changed dramatically. and now it matters. and yet the laws are still stuck in the time before it did.

      your key thesis is invalid. beyond the simple imperatives of thou shall not murder/steal, it is impossible to write laws that are technologically timeless, and this has been shown time and again, whether it's determining how high into the air your property rights extend after the first airplanes begin flying x-country, data mining and privacy rights, or determining how to make cars and horses get along during the period when they shared the same streets.

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    18. Re:Why should they? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Right to be forgotten was designed to apply to companies whose explicit charter is to gather specified kinds of information about individuals

      If you check the EU directive and the member state laws implementing it, they all state that the rules were designed to regulate any company that handles data about people. In fact the EU directive is derived from even earlier rules from member states such as the UK, which back in the 1980s introduced the rules about data having to be accurate and relevant.

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    19. Re:Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should laws keep up with technology?

      For one thing, technology lets us deal with certain aspects of the existing law that covers situations in ways that may be outmoded.

      Laws should be written in such a way that the technology involved doesn't matter.

      Good luck with that. Let's consider the most famed of laws, paternity testing. Used to be the only standard was being married to the mother. Then blood tests. Then other genetic tests.

      But oh wait, now we have artificial insemination. You can impregnate a woman you never even met.

      Example: Highway speed limits are for all motor vehicles and not just a specific type of vehicle. It does not matter how many wheels (car, motorcycle, tractor trailer, etc) the car has, what type of the engine (gas, diesel, electric) is under the hood, what kind of transmission (auto, manual), or if if has some fancy new electronic accessory ... the speed limit is the speed limit.

      Yeah, you know little about highway speed limits, let alone other aspects of automotive regulation. Just imagine how many decades of lead pollution we'd have been spared if they'd caught onto the science a bit sooner.

    20. Re: Why should they? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Obviously you're a Green. Their default response to anything new is to react in the same reflexive the way mainline churches do to changes in social mores.

      That's the stupidest thing I've read all day. A cursory glance at the moment reveals an obsession with promoting new technology, especially for energy generation, efficiency improvements and reductions in pollution. It's the old (but cheap and thus commercially attractive) technology that greens tend to be opposed to, which then results in the inevitable (false) claims that they want everything to be extremely expensive.

      It's a bizarre bit of doublethink that leads people to believe that about greens. On the one hand they want new, expensive technology that won't be ready for decades, and on the other want to return to a technology free agrarian society. With electric cars and space age insulation. And no cows, because they are all vegetarians.

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    21. Re: Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously you're a Green.

      If by that you mean a mildly socialist human-centric individual who believes general well-being comes before profit and mindless technological "progress", yes. I'm a green. And what are you, a corporativist machine-lover?

      Technology IS people, dumbass. We do science because we are curious about that is going on in the natural world, and then whenever the science uncovers something we can apply to making our lives easier, someone will try it.

      Putting hundreds of thousands of people out of work is not "making our lives easier", but "making profits bigger" for a very restricted elite. You're obviously not one of them, so you're either a fool, a simpleton and a useful idiot.

      When some engineer invents a machine to do this job, your role in life is not to crawl off in a corner and die. It's to learn how to operate the machine. When the machine for hauling away one-ton rocks gets scaled up to haul away ten- and one-hundred ton rocks, you can be part of the team that builds high-rises, not just houses. Then you're working on the Panama Canal.

      Wow, you're REALLY a fool. When a machine is made that does the work of a hundred men and requires only one to be operated, 99 men are out of a job. It's as simple as that and it takes a stupid and blind techno-lover and a nerd detached from reality (but here I'm repeating myself) to not understand it. There are only that many high-rises and one Panama Canal to be built. What happens after that? Massive unemployment is going to be a terrible social problem in the next decades and it will undermine our societies at its very foundations. Something must be done about it, and the solution is not going to be more technology and more automation. It's going to be responsible and sustainable growth where it's needed, and a controlled de-evolution in a lot of areas. And if you can't understand that, you're way too petty and stupid to warrant an answer.

    22. Re: Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never make it too obvious, i learnt that in trolling 102

    23. Re: Why should they? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Why are you burning electricity to power the computer you're typing on when you could be out pounding wood pulp to make paper on which you can write a letter that you can walk to town to give to the Pony Express guy? Don't bother answering.

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    24. Re:Why should they? by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      Except here we aren't talking about anything that's truly novel. We're talking about R/C aircraft (drones), taxis (Uber), and beds & breakfast (AirBnb), each of which has been around for decades or longer. These are simply being used in new ways from which the established industry failed to protect themselves, and from which they now want the government to protect them once again.

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    25. Re: Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll answer because someone needs to puncture the bubble of your stupidity: typing on a computer requires actually less power than it takes to process wood into paper, and the infrastructure - at the moment - employs more people. This is not true for all industry. I guess you're too stupid to see that. In the meantime, I dare you to go to the nearest employment office (do you have those in the US?) and extol the virtue of automation to the dozens of people who have been put out of a job by some of your beloved robots. By the way, is your indifference to real people and your love for machines the outcome of social rejection that began in your youth?

    26. Re:Why should they? by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      Speed limits are nonsensical, they are artificial and arbitrary, they shouldn't exist and more importantly they are none of government's business. Roads are none of government's business either. Road construction should be done privately, where it makes sense for economic reasons as decided by the market, not by any government for the reason of controlling interstate commerce or to raise taxes on all people who do not use them. Government roads are constructed by Mafia, money is stolen from the individuals, the entire thing is a giant racket. Roads should be private and rules on them should be private. Cops should be private and hired where it makes sense. Anyway, your example is an example of why laws are idiotic and destructive to individual freedom and to the economy, not how existing laws should apply because they exist already.

    27. Re: Why should they? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      If sounds like you essentially believe the civil system should be the primary source of enforcement?

      The issue with that is it doesn't prevent bad behavior (it pretty much legalizes risk taking), and many of the outcomes can be too bad for a person to make nice.

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    28. Re:Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great idea! lets have all the vehicles on our road running at different speeds! because it would be too easy to drive if they were all running the same speed.

    29. Re:Why should they? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      your speed limit example is actually a perfect example of how laws DO in fact need to keep pace and don't.

        especially as we move towards autonomous vehicles, but in fact applicable even with today's vehicles.

      a high performance sports car can easily handle higher speeds and sharper turns than a semi hauling two trailers.
      yet both are given the same 70mph limit, even though its rather too much for the double semi, and rather below the sports cars safe capability.

      so why shouldn't they have different legal limits on what's safely acceptable?

      On an open road with no other drivers, this makes sense. However on an open road with no other drivers, who are you protecting from unsafe operation of either the truck or the sports car? If there is no traffic, then maybe you don't need the limits at all.

      On a road with lots of other vehicles, though, a few vehicles traveling at significantly different speeds increases the risk and damage in accidents and due to the extra attention that must be paid and the maneuvers needed to accommodate the slower/faster drivers, causes traffic, which ironically reduces throughput to below even the slow-driver limit.

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    30. Re:Why should they? by dave420 · · Score: 1

      1. Roads are engineered for specific maximum top speeds. Who's being protected? The driver, and the tax payers (by not having their money wasted scraping some idiot off a tree, and all the necessary repairs to the road surface/surrounding environment)
      2. Drivers are not prescient - an empty road might suddenly become not empty without the driver being warned.

    31. Re: Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must not be American. In the US, law is ridiculously semantic and total scum constantly prevail in court over tiny semantic details. I once read an article that the UK could have passed an effectively same bill to the 11,000 page affordable Care act, in only 300 pages.

      US law us fully retarded to the benefit of lawyers of whom most politicians were and all judges were. Circle jerk much?

    32. Re:Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dave nobody can understand the gibberish you call writing. Your trollspeak != english.

    33. Re:Why should they? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      We need laws to limit rights when they are shown that are being abused. Making laws on new technology is a waste, because how the technology will be used and abused isn't fully known or understood.

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    34. Re: Why should they? by khallow · · Score: 1

      A cursory glance at the moment reveals an obsession with promoting new technology, especially for energy generation, efficiency improvements and reductions in pollution.

      On up to opposition to any sort of human activity.

      For me, the real problem is that environmentalists from the green technologists on down to advocates for human extinction all depend on the same legal and rhetorical tools to obstruct human actvities and progress: rhetoric that sounds like it was pulled straight out of a enviroflick from the 70s, lawsuits in the courtroom, short-sighted regulation of technologies and pollutants they are relatively hostile to, and demonstrating the effectiveness and affordability of green goals and technologies with ridiculous sums of public funds.

      On the one hand they want new, expensive technology that won't be ready for decades, and on the other want to return to a technology free agrarian society.

      I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there are a bunch of environmentalists with that particular cognitive dissonance. After all, paper technologies, that is technologies which only exist as ideas on paper can be anything you want them to be. In particular, they won't threaten your current world view. And if your current worldview is to return to a primitive agrarian society, well, it's an easy mix of nostalgia and unobtainium with no need for ugly reality to intrude during your lifetime.

    35. Re:Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Example: Highway speed limits are for all motor vehicles and not just a specific type of vehicle.

      Not true, many jurisdictions have different speed limits for heavy trucks.

      A good start, but they get it wrong all the time. Sometimes, these limits are for safety. The road twists and turns, higher speed is too dangerous. Fine.

      Then someone set a speed limit on a straight road. "To combat CO2/pollution". Was fine in the day of the gasoline cars, but why enforce such a limit against Teslas? Much better to set a per-car pollution limit - the fuel-powered ones will only be able to go so fast that way.

    36. Re:Why should they? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Dave nobody can understand the gibberish you call writing. Your trollspeak != english.

      It's not difficult to understand that speed limits are designed to limit collision energies, or that humans are fallible and that what looks like an empty road might not be empty — or, for that matter, might not be road. Someone might drive right off of it, and cost the rest of us a lot of money.

      Perhaps one day we will learn to share a little better, and we can have high-speed and low-speed roadways. Except, if we really learned to share, we'd probably use rail for all our transport, and actual motorcars would be more or less limited to motorsport parks, and we'd have enough of them that people would be able to go to them.

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    37. Re:Why should they? by cfalcon · · Score: 0

      Your example seems bad even for cars. I have a sweet sports car. It's low to the ground, and it is built for handling and speed. It has big brakes which dissipate heat vastly better than a typical sedan, and it has broads wheels giving it a great deal of traction, which help with the aforementioned acceleration, but also deceleration.

      My sports car is fully safe at much higher speeds than a semi truck. And in many places, there are different laws for semi trucks (a different speed limit) than regular cars. There's not a great technical reason to not allow my sports car to go faster than your hypothetical econo box, in fact- but I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that. In general, they'd prefer that I go as slow as them, for a variety of reasons, usually for terrible reasons (they don't like sports cars or the people that drive them, they would stew sitting there at the speed limit while someone like me passes them LEGALLY). In fact, its rare someone would even get all the way to a reason that is compelling at all (if you have different speed limits for different traffic types, it can gum up some of the busy roads) from society's standpoint- instead almost every reaction is one based on some type of "I wouldn't want that guy to be better than me".

      Your example breaks down- not only is it not done that way in practice, in theory it would improve a lot of driver's experiences to have a more nuanced approach.

    38. Re:Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes and no.

      They wrote rules into the Constitution saying "right to bear arms" - never imagining that "arms" would be more than muzzle loaded guns that can be fired more than once a minute.

      The problems generally boil down to classification issues not laws per se. What is a bitcoin? Is it money and therefore falls under the laws governing currency?

      In terms of whether it is "good" that the technology is moving so fast, well, ask the people who have lost millions due to blatant fraud around bitcoin (most of which was possible because it wasn't being governed by the laws that regulate currencies). Ask the people who have drones hovering all their teenage daughters in their own backyards, or the emergency works who cannot conduct their operations because some numbskull is flying a drone into the middle of an emergency situation. As for things like Uber, given that they are trying to conduct business with their employees/contractors/what-ever-they-are outside of the standard employment laws, how long do you think it is going to take before they start abusing said what-ever-they-are people to Uber's benefit and their detriment?

      What many people seem to forget is that many of the laws on the books were put there in response to some sort of abuse where someone figured out a way to side step existing laws on some technicality. The reason there are so many laws around things like securities, for example, is because people with money have repeatedly looked for ways to side step the existing laws - and it *never* turned out well for the common man when they did so.

    39. Re:Why should they? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Great idea! lets have all the vehicles on our road running at different speeds! because it would be too easy to drive if they were all running the same speed.

      In many states that I've driven in the speed limit on the interstate is 65 to 70 mph. But it's 55 for tractor-trailers. On the highways with three or more lanes they are also restricted to the two right lanes, or even the right most lane unless passing. Cars are considerably more maneuverable than a truck. Especially when the truck is confined to the right most lane

      A passenger car (on average) can go from 70 to 0 in 233 feet. An 80,000 lb. loaded eighteen wheeler can go from 70 to 0 in 333 feet. At 55 it's stopping distance is 206 feet. But that doesn't take the 1/4 to 1/2 second of brake lag time on air brake systems into account. That adds and additional 20 to 40 feet at 55 mph and 25 to 50 feet at 70 mph. Since an eighteen wheeler is designed for hauling, the stopping distance actually increases when they are empty or not hauling a trailer.

      A 4000 lb. car traveling at 55 mph has 334,290 lbf of kinetic energy. An 80,000 lb. truck has 6,685,900 lbf. At 70 mph the car has 655,210 lbf of and the truck has 13,104,000 lbf. A car traveling at 70 mph has a little under 10% of the kinetic energy of a truck traveling at 55 mph.

      I know in California the highways are reinforced in the drive lanes to be able to hold up better to the additional weight of tractor-trailers, but the passing lanes are not. This was to save money. But it's another reason that commercial vehicles are supposed to stay in the right lane except when passing. They are also limited to 55 mph to decrease the amount of down-force these vehicle place on the road.

    40. Re: Why should they? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      After all, paper technologies, that is technologies which only exist as ideas on paper can be anything you want them to be.

      Head over the Greenpeace web site. They are one of the more extreme environmental groups. They have a fully costed plan for migrating away from fossil fuels, based on proven technologies and reasonable expectations of improvement, all developed with universities and industry experts. Nothing new needs to be invented, just existing technology applied and scaled up to get costs down. It's not even expensive, just politically difficult.

      Compare that to the average Slashdot nuke-fan, whose great idea is to build thorium reactors. So far all the research ones we have built broke in really expensive, difficult to handle ways, but don't let that stop you. If only it wasn't for NIMBYs and idiots this magical technology would have perfected itself long ago.

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    41. Re:Why should they? by Rob+Y. · · Score: 2

      The problem with Uber and AirBnB isn't technology. It's that their business model doesn't fit into cities where the normal rules of supply and demand have broken down. You might argue that rent-regulated markets like New York and San Francisco have brought their housing crises upon themselves - but it's a pretty empty argument. Both are seriously land-limited and seriously in demand. Some kind of regulation is required. Taxis are a little easier. In congested central cities, it's imperative to balance the number and availability of taxis with the congestion they produce.

      Uber and AirBnb get around regulations by operating on a bait-and-switch basis. Full-time Uber drivers are not 'ride-sharing', and apartments operated as hotel rooms are not 'short-term roommate/sublet' situations. The fact that there's enough demand for such things in certain markets just points to the need for regulation in those markets. Perhaps those regulations need changing - and perhaps Uber and AirBnb can be part of a solution (e.g. requiring Uber rides to originate and/or end en outer boroughs). But opting to blow up regulations that are in place for a reason is a neat little bit of anarchic ideology that happens to suit these businesses' needs well - if not the needs of the residents of New York and San Francisco.

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    42. Re: Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Careful; name-calling and lack of references can lead to Flamebait moderation.

      There are an overwhelming number of examples of short-sighted thinking leading to long-term, expensive problems. If humanity does not figure out how to moderate selfishness and shortsightedness, the currently silent, future generation will be remember current generations with disgust and hatred.

    43. Re:Why should they? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      If that is the case, why is it that the news site doesn't fall under the right to be forgotten, but Google's index does? Why does the BBC get to continue to have the article published while Google has to remove it?

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    44. Re:Why should they? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      They wrote rules into the Constitution saying "right to bear arms" - never imagining that "arms" would be more than muzzle loaded guns that can be fired more than once a minute.

      Bull shit. The right to bear arms was intended to put the military technology of the day into the general population's hands, not some mythical exact level of technology. If the founding fathers were around today, they would be advocating for the ability of the average person to own tanks and fighter jets, not just muzzle loaders.

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    45. Re:Why should they? by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      > never imagining that "arms" would be more than muzzle loaded guns that can be fired more than once a minute

      The quoted assumption isn't true.

      First, muskets were fired faster than once a minute. The musket lines fired thrice a minute, and a musket could be loaded and fired in 6 seconds in some cases.
      Second, rifles existed.
      Third, pistols existed.
      Fourth, the long rifle had been invented recently, an arms tech boost they saw happen during their lives or directly before.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    46. Re:Why should they? by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      That sounds naive. So in 200 years when we've got intelligent flying robot hypercars, they will be limited to ~80 mph, though they can operate safely at 700mph. You either have to change the numbers or declare that the airspace is not a "highway" as mentioned in the old laws. Either way, the laws haven't kept up.

      The only way laws can keep up with technology is if they are written so vaguely that every detail needs to be re-interpreted by a judge. Might as well not even have laws then, and just have a general principle: don't be a jackass. And the village elder will determine if your action constitutes jackassery.

    47. Re:Why should they? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      News sites do fall under these same rules. However, news sites can claim public interest protection. The public greatly benefits from newspapers being able to report and archive such information. Google could have tried to argue that its actions were also benefiting the public in the same way, but didn't even bother because it knew it wasn't going to work. If it were, credit reference agencies would already have tried simply providing links to news articles about bankruptcies from decades ago.

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    48. Re: Why should they? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      You're really dim, aren't you?

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    49. Re:Why should they? by nevermore94 · · Score: 1

      Actually, in many states and on many highways, they do often have different speed limits for Trucks that are 5 or 10 mph lower than the normal speed limits.
      Also, just because a high performance sports car can handle higher speeds and sharper turns, doesn't mean their driver can. Most truck drivers have had a lot more training and certifications to drive their big rigs plus they also have a lot more incentive to drive carefully when driving their expensive rigs with expensive cargoes. Whereas any idiot with enough money can buy a sports car and weave in out of traffic until they run someone else or themselves off of the road. If it wouldn't be so hard to enforce fairly, I would almost argue that people should have to pass a special high performance driving test before they are even allowed to drive a sports car just like truckers have to pass a special CDL test before they are allowed to drive trucks.

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    50. Re:Why should they? by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      In congested central cities, it's imperative to balance the number and availability of taxis with the congestion they produce.

      And since congestion isn't homogenous across a city, it's imperative to do the above on a street-by-street basis. Can you think of a better way than by limiting the number of taxi stands on each street?

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    51. Re:Why should they? by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      it is impossible to write laws that are technologically timeless, and this has been shown time and again, whether it's determining how high into the air your property rights extend after the first airplanes begin flying x-country...

      If you can write such a law that doesn't violate the zero-one-infinity rule, I think you'll get pretty close to timeless.

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    52. Re: Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Tesla is also less efficient at high speeds, as much as any other car, unless you're claiming drag works differently for electric vehicles...

      Local speed limits are set for safety, the federal one was for fuel conservation, and states can already ignore that now.

    53. Re: Why should they? by khallow · · Score: 1

      Head over the Greenpeace web site. They are one of the more extreme environmental groups. They have a fully costed plan for migrating away from fossil fuels, based on proven technologies and reasonable expectations of improvement, all developed with universities and industry experts. Nothing new needs to be invented, just existing technology applied and scaled up to get costs down. It's not even expensive, just politically difficult.

      Even if I were to buy that such a plan actually exists with accurate costing, why implement it now, when we could implement it later?

    54. Re:Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same with drones. FAA has clearly defined regulations based on the capabilities of aircraft and ideally drones would fit into one or more existing categories. However drones are not only more ubiqitous than "RC aircraft" ever were, they are a lot more capable. Manufacturers/operators want them to be trated like the toys they used to be but clearly are not anymore.

    55. Re: Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't find a way to proper counter any of my arguments so you resort to childish ad hominem attacks. Grow up, if it's not already beyond your abilities, which I strongly suspect. Have you ever lived in the real world or is your understanding of it filtered by your beloved cold machines which will never reciprocate your feelings?

    56. Re: Why should they? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      No, you're dim because you can't actually spot obvious sarcasm.

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    57. Re: Why should they? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "When a machine is made that does the work of a hundred men and requires only one to be operated, 99 men are out of a job."

      Wrong again. ONE man is out of a job in my example. But because the machine replacing the man can do the work of so many more rock-breakers, a whole range of new applications - highrise buildings, dams, canals - opens up that did not exist in that previous world of one man breaking rocks. If that one unemployed rock-breaker takes the initiative to retrain as an operator of the new machine, he becomes part of a new future that did not exist before.

    58. Re:Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that supposed to be english? Learn to write, you moron!

    59. Re:Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot should censor your primitive attempts at speech and writing dave. They're unintelligble!

    60. Re: Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, why improve anything ever right?
      You could always implement anything later.
      I'll do it tomorrow the lazy person said every day.

    61. Re: Why should they? by khallow · · Score: 1

      I'll do it tomorrow the lazy person said every day.

      So do you have a reason that the lazy person approach is bad? Or are you just going to mouth-off like a little child.

      The dirty secret here is that the lazy way is often superior to the diligent way. For example, you will die sooner or later. Might as well get it done today rather than put it off, right? You don't want to be a lazy, live person, do you?

    62. Re: Why should they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So do you have a reason that the lazy person approach is bad?

      Not him, but I certainly can show you that the lazy approach is bad. It's a rock solid proof with tons of research and evidence to support it.

      And I'll present it tomorrow.

  4. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If by taxis you mean Uber, no. They're ignoring the law in a number of places. It'd be better if the government were to address this issue. And that's not even dealing with "employee"-relations either.

    I figure Airbnb is okay except for a couple things. Some jurisdictions have hotel taxes, and that probably needs to be addressed. There's also the issue of illegal subletting, but that's more with people violating their lease agreement than any government-doing.

    Drones can be dangerous. I mean, is it not dangerous to have pounds of metal potentially flying over people's heads? Let alone the blades and potential privacy invasion given cameras.

    1. Re: No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pounds of metal flying overhead is fine as long as it's flying. So they should make a law that drones must always be flying. Or a law against gravity.

  5. Most things are cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    until the government ruins the fun and free spirit

  6. Rest of the world chimes in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    > Uber and Airbnb show how to execute this outrun-the-government strategy.

    If you can outrun the government, it is no government, just a joke. A real GOVERNMENT would stop Uber overnight, by rounding up the drivers and shooting every 3rd in public. Whoever protests is also shot. The remaining would back down for fear of life.
    That kind of government went out of fashion after 1990 in many parts of the world, but could return very quickly since the populace gets fed up with the anarchy. People want order and stability in life, not "liberty" (anarchism secretly run by masons). The USA is an abnormal exception, not the rule.

    > Bitcoin is another example of a technology that's too late to stop.

    If you think the NSA doesn't have a virgin leather-bound, gold-leafed folio with hexadecimal printout of every single possible bitcoin inside, I have an ethernet bridge to sell you... On the other hand, we can only theorize why they don't just dump all possible bitcoins on the net, thereby instantly annulling its value.
    Please also consider that even the government can't create non-radiocative silver, gold or platinum, even they have to rely on mining what Mother Nature has created eons ago. That's what gives inherent value to the precious, something crypto-nerds lack.

    1. Re:Rest of the world chimes in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol govs stopped using gold standards eons ago. Nowdays dollars, euros etc are as imaginary currencies as bitcoin. Just imagine the chinese coming and cashing in your debts. Your whole country would be out their houses.

    2. Re:Rest of the world chimes in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you think the NSA doesn't have a virgin leather-bound, gold-leafed folio with hexadecimal printout of every single possible bitcoin inside, I have an ethernet bridge to sell you... On the other hand, we can only theorize why they don't just dump all possible bitcoins on the net, thereby instantly annulling its value.

      Someone doesn't understand how bitcoin works.

    3. Re:Rest of the world chimes in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got Internet access again, Kim Jong-Un? And the first thing you do is posting on slashdot...

    4. Re:Rest of the world chimes in. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Just imagine the chinese coming and cashing in your debts. Your whole country would be out their houses.

      The Fed would print enough dollars to pay them. There would be inflation, which would devalue the dollar. Most people would no longer be able to afford 'cheap' Chinese imports, because they'd now be very expensive and the Chinese economy would crash from having one of its two biggest markets suddenly disappear. Exports from the USA would suddenly become very cheap. Of, and all of the rich folk who had moved a load of their capital to Chinese investments would make a huge loss. Guess which of these reasons is why it hasn't happened.

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    5. Re:Rest of the world chimes in. by Sique · · Score: 3, Informative
      Many people who hail the gold standard ignore a simple fact: A gold standard for coins means constant deflation, which is bad in most economic situation, because it gives incentives for hoarding money instead of spending it. Or for the technically inclined: Gold coins don't scale. Each year, the world economy grows about 4%, but the amount of gold available doesn't. Thus with time, with the gold standard a fixed amount of gold represents more and more actual value. A precious metal standard was kinda okeish, as long as you could set aside some productivity gains to mine more precious metals to represent the gained productivity in additional coins. It worked as long as countries in dire need of more precious metals simply invaded other countries and either stole theirs or started to mine non-depleted resources.

      But somehow, conquering other nations and plundering their wealth just for your own coin mints has been frowned upon recently, and thus the gold standard had to be abandoned, as the gold available couldn't scale anymore with the gold needed for minting.

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    6. Re: Rest of the world chimes in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      National debts aren't callable dumbass. You can't cash them in. Closest you can do is selling your owned debts for immediate cash.

    7. Re:Rest of the world chimes in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think the NSA doesn't have a virgin leather-bound, gold-leafed folio with hexadecimal printout of every single possible bitcoin inside, I have an ethernet bridge to sell you... On the other hand, we can only theorize why they don't just dump all possible bitcoins on the net, thereby instantly annulling its value.

      Someone doesn't understand how bitcoin works.

      I wish I had mod points. OP is retarded

    8. Re:Rest of the world chimes in. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      A precious metal standard was kinda okeish, as long as you could set aside some productivity gains to mine more precious metals to represent the gained productivity in additional coins. It worked as long as countries in dire need of more precious metals simply invaded other countries and either stole theirs or started to mine non-depleted resources.

      Ah yes, the Good Old Days before SJWs ruined it all for everyone.

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    9. Re:Rest of the world chimes in. by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Many people who hail the gold standard ignore a simple fact: A gold standard for coins means constant deflation, which is bad in most economic situation, because it gives incentives for hoarding money instead of spending it.

      Yes! The HORROR OF THINGS GOING DOWN IN PRICE! IT MUST BE BANNED!

      Dude, we've had constant deflation in electronics prices since... well, forever, in electronics terms. Deflation is the norm in a free market, as productivity increases lead to lower prices.

      Only governments think it's a bad thing, because they can tax inflation, but can't tax deflation.

    10. Re:Rest of the world chimes in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the choice of elliptic curve has been "poisoned" intentionallywith some publicly yet-unknown mathematical relation, it is indeed possible that the NSA has already generated all possible coins, including those that have already been "mined" by civvies and those that still haven't. The other option is a honest mistake or publicly unknown vulnerability exploited by the NSA/GCHQ/FiveEyes/Unit8200/etc.

      After all, there is only a finite amount of all possible bitcoins, so they are countable many. (If the crypto-system behind them is not "funny" the last few ones should be impossible to mine before the Universe goes dark and maybe even resist quantum computing. But if it is funny, they could all be generated procedurally on a PC/XT with a CGA monitor, no need for farms of GP-GPU or even FPGA, ASIC.)

      One could allege that Bitcoin economy continues to work even if all possible bitcoins are hex-dumped on the net overnight. After all, there are only finite many bitcoins and like ~ 60% have already been mined? But trust would be undermined beyond repair, the power of human psychology should not be underestimated!

    11. Re:Rest of the world chimes in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, everyone doesn't understand how bitcoin works. But yes, his misunderstanding is particularly grievous.

    12. Re:Rest of the world chimes in. by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      Many people who hail the gold standard ignore a simple fact: A gold standard for coins means constant deflation, which is bad in most economic situation, because it gives incentives for hoarding money instead of spending it.

      Yes! The HORROR OF THINGS GOING DOWN IN PRICE! IT MUST BE BANNED!

      Dude, we've had constant deflation in electronics prices since... well, forever, in electronics terms. Deflation is the norm in a free market, as productivity increases lead to lower prices.

      You're confusing decreases in individual prices with overall increases in value of currency. These are two completely different things, and they have completely different macroeconomic effects.

      Only governments think it's a bad thing, because they can tax inflation, but can't tax deflation.

      Nope. Anyone who likes to spend money or invest money likes inflation. You speak about "productivity increases," but productivity increases need to be FUNDED by someone. Who funds them? Well, particularly if they require more risky or uncertain innovation, they tend to be jumpstarted by investors. And rich people have significantly less incentive to invest in risky things when they can make more money just by piling it up in their money bins, as is true in a deflationary economy.

      Just stop and think about the consequences of deflation for a moment. I think people who argue in favor of it tend to believe that somehow things will "cost less" for them. But they won't -- prices may go down, but so will incomes. Wait -- you thought you'd be able to keep your same salary when everyone is paying less and earning less for investments??? No dice. Your income needs to be cut to conform with reduced revenues and investment income. Thus, prices go down, but you get paid less.

      You want to buy a house? You want to open a new business? Why would you?? -- it will likely be worth significantly less in a few years. Mortgages and loans become next-to-impossible to justify either for lenders or for borrowers, because you end up paying MORE in value as your income decreases, while the value of your asset is depreciating. (With mild inflation, your principle payments decrease in purchasing power, while your income generally rises gradually.)

      Why would you invest any money in any significant asset in a deflationary market, since you'll only lose money in the long run? Sure, rich people with "money to burn" will still have their luxuries, but most people won't be interested in throwing money away at depreciating assets everywhere when they could just keep it in their account and get more value. Well, actually people take money out of banks, because banks start charging people to hold money, since they can't earn interest on most investments anymore. So, there's a run on the banks and everyone stuffs cash under the mattress.

      Gradually, the economy grinds to a halt as a deflationary spiral begins. Welcome to the next Great Depression. (You think I'm joking? Just take a moment and look at periods of sustained deflation in world history -- they almost always correspond to severe economic depressions.)

      TL;DR: Sustained deflation of currency is NOT the same as price decreases in specific sectors. Sustained deflation of currency is generally bad for just about everyone, except rich people who already have a giant bin full of cash and will now just sit on it as it grows and grows in value, rather than moving that money around where some investments might lead to further economic activity.

  7. Invisible Hands and things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Once again this drivel from a worshipper of The Church of Invisible Hands and Shrugging Atlases.

    I do agree that laws are not always for the best. But there ends our agreement. The worst laws are those bought by "whole multibillion-dollar industr[ies]". The shrugging (should I say bribing?) Atlases.

    1. Re:Invisible Hands and things by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      the worst laws are those bought by "whole multibillion-dollar industr[ies]". The shrugging (should I say bribing?) Atlases.

      It's funny how you seem to dismiss markets and then highlight megalo-corps, which could never exist in a free market, as evidence of how wrong market proponents are (corporations are fundamentally government charters to not face liability for unethical actions; partnerships behave much, much better - as evidenced by the investment banks).

      There are three basic ways humans control other humans - religions, governments, and markets. Only the last one is based on peace and reason.

      Religions as a method became obsolete once science showed a better way; governments as currently constituted are structured to deal with a society based upon horse-drawn carriages and letters carried by messengers. Obsolescence is already here - they're just riding on momentum at this point (cf. TFA).

      Once again this drivel

      Exactly.

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    2. Re:Invisible Hands and things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Markets are based on peace? So, I am born and can use uninhabited land, having never agreed to refrain from doing so? I can just go ahead and erect a house in the corner of your hundred acre estate, even though it hardly has any impact on your life?

      No, because markets are based on the principle that, the moment a person is born, their government will force them to respect all existing private property.

      There is nothing peaceful about this. Markets exist because men with guns enforce their rules. The rules of the market are no more special than the rules of war- the most powerful set the rules in their interest, giving just enough to others that they also think they're fair.

    3. Re:Invisible Hands and things by willworkforbeer · · Score: 1

      Once again this drivel from a worshipper of The Church of Invisible Hands and Shrugging Atlases.

      I do agree that laws are not always for the best. But there ends our agreement. The worst laws are those bought by "whole multibillion-dollar industr[ies]". The shrugging (should I say bribing?) Atlases.

      OT: It will be great when such opinions, though in conflict with my own, can be safely posted non-AC with no fear of downmoddding vengeance.
      Nevertheless, I think you've honestly missed the point of TFA, or at least the fine summary.
      The fact that tech outruns the bureaucracy is, on average, a very good thing. Especially true in parts of the world where rulers are desperate for tight control of every individual's access to information, free market innovations, and the basic human right to live their lives unfettered (unless they interfere with others' similar rights.)

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    4. Re:Invisible Hands and things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      megalo-corps, which could never exist in a free market

      I really don't want to be rude, anonymously on the internet, but this is so naive as to be laughable.

    5. Re:Invisible Hands and things by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "Markets exist because men with guns enforce their rules."

      Marketplace are the most ancient structures known to archaeology. Barter was one of the first activities that people conducted in small groups, which means that you're right in the very limited sense that trade requires at least as much civilization, enforced by basic rules of fairness adopted by both sides of a transaction, as is necessary for two people to meet and do business without immediately killing each other. These rules were enforced by the potential for mutually assured destruction of two people with spears.

  8. yeah woo unchecked unregulated corporate dominance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    let me get my cheerleader outfit

  9. Oklahoma slam! by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    hah, poor Oklahoma.

    1. Re:Oklahoma slam! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a pretty ignorant comment/slam considering we have a major Air Force base in OKC, so no one involved in air control would put OK at the top of their "Unimportant airspace" list . That even ignores the idea that an entire state would never become some refuge for an entire category of product. Rather, what would have happened in the "FAA is not shortsighted" situation is that drones would not be allowed within some ridiculous number of miles radius to an airport, Air Force base, or city of a certain size.

      In short, it was an odd comment making fun of Oklahoma purely for no reason other than to make fun of Oklahoma. There's a lot of reasons one could easily make fun of my state, but airspace and being "somewhere drones don't matter" isn't one of them.

  10. Bitcoin isn't the best example. by frup · · Score: 1

    I don't think bitcoin is the best example to use for technology in a presidential debate. It isn't used by enough people. It does represent a way that something existed that there wasn't a law for and the fact that a presidential debate isn't the place to discuss these kinds of matters highlights the real issue: Representative democracy.

    Now this is what the presidential debate should really be focused on, aside from all the other populist agendas on show, how do we use technology to create and electoral process for both national economies and the globalized world that is fair, secure and MORE EFFICIENT.

    I'm a bit of a Luddite when it comes to technology despite reading slashdot several times per day, I don't have the time or the energy these days to go exploring every interesting new thing the way I did when I was a teenager and had a few hours free time per week at the expense of my parents. I've been using Linux all my adult life and have become used to being isolated from many newest and greatest new things, and subsequently became used to viewing the mainstream from a different perspective in other ways - essentially I am aware that politically I am a minority. This means the current electoral systems don't really give a result I see as valid, both in the sense of counting my input but really in even discussing the matters I think are important.

    Social media allows us to form groups and follow topics and even hierarchies within these. The reality is that this is where most of the topics you want discussed about technology will occur. Only once a group is powerful enough (by numbers), or credible enough (has proven they are experts on the matter) will they be able to effect change. What needs to be taken out of all political systems is the ability to influence change with money. Democracy as I understand it was about giving equal say to equal people. The use of money in a political system is a clear statement that you are not equal, as an individual.

    Bitcoin seeks to take the power away from governments using the very thing that has corrupted the political system, however this is also one of the very reasons it is unlikely you will ever see bitcoin discussed based on merit - if it is discussed it will be based on fear or as a weapon to dominate some other sovereign market.

    It would be nice to have a system where daily several simple questions about current events, economics and technology for example were delivered to you to vote on in a form of unofficial direct democracy and truly representative detailed analysis of these subjects were discussed by the various departments/ministries in a detailed manner months before the election as the very first step towards the campaign trails. Instead of campaigns based on political spin it would anchor the politicians to the people and force them to discuss topics that mattered and allow the people to search for data and ask relevant questions that interested them along the way.

    Modern democracy acknowledges our different views but technology has not yet delivered us a way to deliver it more effectively or even sort our views before delivering the vote. In reality an election should be a 3 hour multi choice exam. Some of it should be sections you have because you opted in due to interest, some of it should be sections you're qualified to answer and if you want you can abstain or just pick a proxy to vote on your behalf. This is what political parties are proxies with a predefined set of views. There are not just two views. Stating there are just to views on the myriad of topics that concern a government and its people is ridiculous. It is not efficient and it proves that in reality democracy is just one vote away from dictatorship, you are merely voting in the puppet leader, or assessing their performance, not actually having a say.

    Further reason why esoteric technology discussions have nothing to do with politics.

    And I haven't even begun to discuss the difficulty of legislating for things that do not yet exist.

    1. Re:Bitcoin isn't the best example. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been using Linux all my adult life and have become used to being isolated from many newest and greatest new things...

      Yeah, using Linux will do that to you. Have you thought about trying out Windows 10? Worked for me!

    2. Re:Bitcoin isn't the best example. by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Interesting

      None of the examples are particularly good:

      Bitcoin - lots of investigation from the SEC et al, rules laid out and restrictions put in place.

      Uber - don't we pretty much have at least one story a week about Uber being banned in particular locations after failing to follow requirements for taxi services already in place?

      AirBnB - massive legal issues, banned in NYC for a time, required to implement hotel taxes.

      I don't think any of the examples are actually examples of things outrunning the government successfully.

    3. Re:Bitcoin isn't the best example. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Global systemic Tax Evasion - Double Dutch or Irish Sandwich
      Work Visa scams - work like slaves for a sniff of possible US residency
      Destroying low paying jobs and regular full time job security by sending them to third world Mexico, Canada etc.

      Political donors and Multinationals think this IS a good thing. Your average USA worker is being squeezed dry by slow boiling.

      Don't confuse 'technology' with 'Globalization' where the ultra wealthy see all progress as more money in their pockets.

    4. Re:Bitcoin isn't the best example. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It because its another puff piece to drive traffic to a blog.

    5. Re:Bitcoin isn't the best example. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the point isn't that they don't try to regulate (into oblivion) these things, but by the time they DO start to regulate, its to late to stop outright.

      The rental/taxi/limo lobbies would have much rather strangled Uber and lyft in the crib rather than have these expensive regional spats. To late now...

      Financial industry would have loved to limit bitcoins legal usages to licensed/bonded exchanges and forks. To late now...

      It doesn't matter if they ultimately succeed at killing any of these things, as doing so now, Once people see what CAN be, will only serve to hasten the return of The Peoples Razor.

    6. Re:Bitcoin isn't the best example. by frup · · Score: 0

      My computer is too old to even run windows 8, which even if I did, would leave me stuck in its menu and lost. I began using Linux 2005 when I found myself with a broken XP install and unable to fix it. I am very dumb but through using Netscape Navigator on windows 95, which I used until 2003 when I finally could buy a new computer in pieces over 6 months, I had found mozilla and was vaguely aware of open source. I dabbled in a bit of HTML and PHP which were easy though I never became a programmer and wouldn't be able to do any of that wizardry now. I then found firefox and around all its hype was mention of red hats and mandrakes.

      I still didn't have a CD burner and stuck on a 56k modem connection I tried downloading linux installs that were said to be installable from floppy disks but they didn't even boot. Using a download manager later I was determined to download mandrake. I spent 3 months doing this. I ended up taking my computer in a wheel barrow over to a friends house where we LANed together so he could burn this thing on to CD, but all his CD-Rs were corrupt so I went home still using windows XP.

      Following this I spent a lot of time saving up for a CD burner. I'd built the computer myself with no expertise, just figuring it was like lego, and I'd pulled apart the odd box and stuck ram from machine into another so what could go wrong? I only earned $100 per week working part time in a fast food joint and since my mother thought I spent too much time on the computer (making '99 style websites I thought were really cool and would lead me into a career of web development) she wouldn't help me in any way.

      I then got a free coupon through some website for Linspire. I thought since it's worth $50 this must be a better Linux than all those free ones that were just like DOS (well to be completely honest I didn't know what to expect, I'd never seen a screenshot of linux just all this crazy command line documentation, I still thought it was going to be like DOS which to me meant it would have some fun games from my childhood). I can't remember how or when but somehow I had this CD burned and ready when my computer broke. I still didn't have anything faster than 56k dialup.

      At the time there had been way to get free dial up but that had ended and by now I was paying for my own dialup it cost a whopping $20 per month of the $400 I earned.

      When I booted Linspire I was pleasantly surprised by the installer, it was gui and easier than installing windows 2000 and XP. I'd remembered the upgrades of windows 3.1 to windows 95 my (extended) family had done with what seemed like 31 disks and the nightmares this had been for them. Linspire to me on first impression seemed like the most advanced system I had ever used. This linux thing was indeed really cool and I had heard of it being more stable.

      I probably reinstalled Linspire 2-3 times in the first month of using it. I kept breaking its CNR trying to use apt and quickly found out it wasn't the best Linux. My younger brother had found out you could order free CD's from Ubuntu and told me they were coming. Linspire had KDE and compare to windows XP it was pretty easy to use, it even did some things better. I did find the whole installing software thing a bit difficult to get my head around and the filesystem in / looked pretty daunting.

      after no more than two months I had switched to Ubuntu 5.10. I'd remembered those mandrake 10.1 cds and installed that first but it didn't connect to its repositories, because it was too old an install but I didn't know that. I had thought highly of mandrake before that, it had a good brand and reputation as far as I could tell. The lack of repository in mandrake meant I used Ubuntu. My first impression of Gnome was that it looked stupid compared to KDE but as I began using it I really found it useful. within 6 months of using it, when I tried KDE again I found I didn't like KDE as much and by now something about KDE's theme annoyed me, like the shape and size of its icons and clocks in the panel all being

    7. Re:Bitcoin isn't the best example. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I think the point isn't that they don't try to regulate (into oblivion) these things, but by the time they DO start to regulate, its to late to stop outright.

      So basically the author is paranoid then?

      Why would they regulate to prevent these things? Uber is merely a private hire car company using mobile apps and variated pricing. This isn't new, it's just remixing the same ingredients.

      Airbnb is merely a portal for people providing B&B and short term rentals.

      Shit, even Bitcoin is merely an interesting blend between ponzi scheme and agreed medium of exchange. Both of which have existed for fucking ever.

      There's no need to regulate these things into oblivion, and that's why it hasn't happened. It's got fuck all to do with them subverting the legal system and running ahead of it.

    8. Re:Bitcoin isn't the best example. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that consumers trying to import low-cost goods from lower cost of living areas is also deemed illegal in Europe, because only our salaries are allowed to be reduced through global competition, not our consumption costs.

      You also didn't mention the hordes of immigrants working for pitiful sums with their living costs subsidised by the local population that don't have a cheap arse country to go back to.

    9. Re:Bitcoin isn't the best example. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I still didn't have a CD burner and stuck on a 56k modem connection I tried downloading linux installs that were said to be installable from floppy disks but they didn't even boot. Using a download manager later I was determined to download mandrake. I spent 3 months doing this. I ended up taking my computer in a wheel barrow over to a friends house where we LANed together so he could burn this thing on to CD, but all his CD-Rs were corrupt so I went home still using windows XP.

      At the point where computers didn't have CD burners built in as standard and I was still using a slow modem connection, I got Linux from CDs included in magazines, or you could just order them by post for a couple of quid.

      I assume you had none of these options open to you, in which case I feel your pain. Three months...

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    10. Re:Bitcoin isn't the best example. by TiggerTheCat · · Score: 1

      Electronic Cigarettes; The FDA noticed that the things were popular and were ready to ban/regulate them to death when they realized it was a billion dollar market. One idea was to require so much testing and validation that only large corporations could afford to sell them. Say good by to any startups. Some of the arguments for regulating them are that they don't know if nicotine by itself is as dangerous as nicotine delivered via a cigarette. Yes, there have been some issues, and they need to be addressed, but considering the alternative is a coffin nail for people who can't or won't quit smoking do we really want them banned?

  11. Just wait ... the laws will win this race by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't feel so smug, fellas

    Right now the laws cannot catch up to the advancement of technology because almost every sentence of the laws has to be written by one human or another

    By the time they invent the robotic lawyers which are easily upgradable to robotic law professors they can churn out new laws 24/7, and by that time, we human will be permanently enslaved, not by the robots, but by the laws the robots write

  12. Just wait ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... until they discover computer-assisted legislation (CAL).

  13. History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only thing these tech startups usually teach us is that those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it.

    1. Re:History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      also, those who don't understand economics and risk, are doomed to fall for these tech valuations. yah, but *this* time it's different... really.

      PETS.COM...

  14. Sunny Essays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These kinds of things are occurrence all around us. The technology has produced hundreds of startups funded by billions of dollars of investment. The good thing is the rules can’t stay With Technology. Find here if you are searching for perfect academic assistance.

    1. Re:Sunny Essays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technology is technology. That is the question. Rules are rules but made to be broken but punishment is severe. Do not break rules. rules dont make Technology.

  15. The gov can still seriously limit all of the above by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called taxing it to death, which they will once they get their greedy little fingers into the honey pot.

  16. Writing Assistance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These kinds of things are occurrence all around us. The technology has produced hundreds of startups funded by billions of dollars of investment. The good thing is the rules can’t stay With Technology.

  17. It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 1

    It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. This is true with any sort of bureaucratic management system.

    The only caveat is, it had better truly be an awesome thing that you're doing that will have the masses behind it. If it is something that just pisses off management/government, you have just stepped on your own dick wearing cleats, and will be screwed in short order.

    --

    Left MS Windows for Linux Mint and never looked back!

    Vote for Bernie in 2016!

  18. Uber outruns the govt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nope.

    There is a long history (in New York anyway) of unlicensed gypsy cabs. Sometimes they get caught and are hit with heavy fines. I don't see how Uber is any different.

    There is one way Uber is different - they are spending millions on lobbying governments. Take this job ad for example: https://www.uber.com/jobs/6280...

    1. Re:Uber outruns the govt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope.

      There is a long history (in New York anyway) of unlicensed gypsy cabs. Sometimes they get caught and are hit with heavy fines. I don't see how Uber is any different.

      So if you are agreeing that Uber does outrun the government, which bit does the 'nope' apply to?

      There is one way Uber is different - they are spending millions on lobbying governments. Take this job ad for example: https://www.uber.com/jobs/6280...

      So you are actually saying Uber is far worse?? You do understand the difference between politicians vs lobbying governments. You can do the first, you can't do the second, at least not in most first world countries.

    2. Re:Uber outruns the govt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if you are agreeing that Uber does outrun the government, which bit does the 'nope' apply to?

      Uber isn't doing anything new in terms of legality - it's an unlicensed taxi service.

      This isn't the first time govts have had to deal with unlicensed taxi services. New York deals with it regularly.

      The face that Uber is convenient and customers like it doesn't change the fact that it's an unlicensed taxi service.

      Thus it isn't a question of "keeping up with technology", it's a question of keeping up with large-scale lawbreaking.

  19. Laws, as currently conceived, never will keep up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Lawmakers think that the role of government is to set explicit, concrete boundaries on every avenue of human action. Instead of abiding by a principle for government's role, like the defense of individual rights, they debate "what percentage tariff should be imposed on imported TVs from South Korea this year, so as to maximize competition and minimize harm to domestic labor unions." Or something equally disintegrated.

    The latter mentality will never be able to keep up with the pace of change, and this will become increasingly evident as change accelerates. It will shine a bright light on how the "control everything" principle is fundamentally flawed, and how a principled approach to government's role is the only way to maintain a modern civilization.

  20. On a related on... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    someplace like Oklahoma where they can't get in the way of anything too important

    Q) Why doesn't Texas fall off into the Gulf of Mexico?

    A) Because Oklahoma sucks.

    ;)

    1. Re:On a related on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hrm Victoria sucks and Tasmania still fell off.

      Victorians are proof Tasmanians can swim.

  21. Naive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To say the least.

    If the powers that be want something illegalized, they will just do it and be damn with the consequences.

    Beware.

  22. Puh, another low level article? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    To be honest: O only have read the summary, but that was already dumb enough.
    First regarding drones: for them apply more or less the same rules as for manned air crafts or more precisely all the secondary regulations regarding low flying stuff like kites, hobbyist baloons etc.
    New regulation is IMHO only needed where small crafts are an anoyance ir dangerous and no current ruling (or common sense of the operators) keeps them in order.

    Secondly, regarding bitcoins: there is big difference between a BitCoin and a hand written Cheque. If I give you a handwritten Queque, which is more or less a payment order to my bank, handing out the money either to the named person on the Cheque or to the owner, then depending how people trust you or me, that Cheque might flow freely from person to person.

    In north Afrika you find hand written cheques floating around that are decades old, usually in frensh francs or itallien lira, but also pound sterling.

    They are not that 'anonymous' though, as often when handing over the cheque to the new owner, the old one 'signes' it again on the backside.

    BitCoin is a little bit more than an electronic cheque transfer mechanism, but not that much more.

    --
    Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
  23. "Bias" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the poorest arguments I've recently heard is that I have a "bias". This is very childish and gives the one that speaks it a very simpleton air.

    Communists say capitalists have bias; capitalists say communists have it, too.

    Everyone who disagrees with you has a bias, because he/she doesn't have _your_ bias.

    Every time someone comes up with these themes, I cannot help but facepalm myself. Nobody wants the state to become gargantuan, but the other extreme is certainly undesirable. People who are gaining the life race -- for whatever reason: competence, luck etc. -- will want a minimal state, because the state was devised exactly to protect the weaker and to keep things within a minimal order.

    Wanting a minimal state is wanting anarchism. And anarchism is useful for all those who want a new way to govern... a new -archy. Or perhaps they want a feeble creature which, because it's so weak, can be tamed to do whatever trick they demand in exchange for food -- including not doing what it is naturally conceived to do: protect the citizens.

    I know this is old and beaten but this is the mentality which seems to pervade all these great ideas of "let's profit while we can before the government catches up with reality". Of course, such things must come to be because everything has a lag -- but should we really throw parties that we're free from responsibilities?

    A too powerful government becomes paralyzed but a too weak one is manipulated by the powerful to create laws which make a citizen life miserable -- or can be more easily bent by a tyrant e.g. to wage a war without impediment.

    Learn that there is an optimum and that is neither small nor huge but it lies in the middle.

    1. Re:"Bias" by khallow · · Score: 1

      Wanting a minimal state is wanting anarchism.

      Why don't you show that first?

      A too powerful government becomes paralyzed but a too weak one is manipulated by the powerful to create laws which make a citizen life miserable -- or can be more easily bent by a tyrant e.g. to wage a war without impediment.

      Why don't you show an example of that? For example, the US had an extraordinarily weak central government for well over a century prior to the First World War. And the only time tyranny was an issue was during the Civil War and First World War when the power of the central government was unusually enhanced.

      Meanwhile we have all sorts of examples of strong, too powerful governments during the 20th Century and these are considered to have led to the deaths of something like 400 million people due to war and democide which is a rather big way to make someone's life miserable. They're also remarkably easy to twist in the way you claim weak governments can be twisted. Recall for example, how fast the USSR went off the rails once the Communists had complete control.

      Finally, what makes the powerful powerful? The most common answer on Slashdot is money. For example, in the scenario of the weak government, somehow the wealthy will be able to wave money around and get anything they want, even if the government is not powerful enough to deliver it and nobody else is inclined to do it for just money. This is a silly scenario especially when you consider the blowback from such an attempt - destruction and seizure of assets, boycotts of products, etc - all which do a really good job of destroying the wealth and hence, the power. Reality just doesn't work that way where waving money gets you what you want.

      And when you look at actual tyrants of history, they didn't get that way by mere money. Joseph Stalin became the most feared man in Russia because of his army of informers (I've heard that something like 1 in 20 to 1 in 10 citizens of the USSR were regular informers during that time) and the bad things that happened to you when the secret police decided your time was up.

      I know this is old and beaten but this is the mentality which seems to pervade all these great ideas of "let's profit while we can before the government catches up with reality". Of course, such things must come to be because everything has a lag -- but should we really throw parties that we're free from responsibilities?

      Notice how we digressed from arguing about the size of government to protecting special interests, We don't need government to be big enough to protect the taxi companies/medallion holders from competition with Uber. We don't need government big enough to protect Google and Amazon from competition with other drone users. Nor do we need it to protect banks and lazy law enforcement agencies from competition with currencies that don't force you to register every large transfer of money you make with a hostile government.

      This is the problem with making government bigger than the minimal. You immediately start creating and protecting special interests. Sometimes the resulting public goods and services can be useful (though not more useful than a private counterpart), but you don't have a compelling reason for the expansion.

    2. Re:"Bias" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Wanting a minimal state is wanting anarchism.

      > Why don't you show that first?

      I'm not sure I understand. You want me to prove my assertion? Well, I thought it was immediate: anarchists want less state. That's per the definition of Anarchism. What is left to be shown? I just written about that to show how it's not such a great idea (I'm assuming everyone knows Anarchism does not work).

      >> A too powerful government becomes paralyzed but a too weak one is manipulated by the powerful to create laws which make a citizen life miserable -- or can be more easily bent by a tyrant e.g. to wage a war without impediment.

      > Why don't you show an example of that? For example, the US had an extraordinarily weak central government for well over a century prior to the First World War. And the only time tyranny was an issue was during the Civil War and First World War when the power of the central government was unusually enhanced.

      I'm not here to talk about remote countries with weird regimes or dead tyrants. Of course, I'm referring to current US problems. But you're right about the US having good foundations prior to the Civil war (IMHO at least).

      And I'm not delving into deeper discussion about power -- something better left to ones more qualified than me. I was just pinpointing that a feeble state is as dangerous as a gargantuan state. Of course, a minimal state has the advantage of enabling some sort of self-organization to increase its size -- and that is easier than reducing a gigantic one.

      >> I know this is old and beaten but this is the mentality which seems to pervade all these great ideas of "let's profit while we can before the government catches up with reality". Of course, such things must come to be because everything has a lag -- but should we really throw parties that we're free from responsibilities?

      > Notice how we digressed from arguing about the size of government to protecting special interests,

      That's no digression. That's why I'm here for.

      > We don't need government to be big enough to protect the taxi companies/medallion holders from competition with Uber. We don't need government big enough to protect Google and Amazon from competition with other drone users. Nor do we need it to protect banks and lazy law enforcement agencies from competition with currencies that don't force you to register every large transfer of money you make with a hostile government.

      Yes, we do. Not me and you, but the ones that play the major roles in our society really need that. The state must be small to be highly maneuverable, and yet have the minimal functions of a good vehicle to enable them to use it effectively. This is my point.

      > This is the problem with making government bigger than the minimal. You immediately start creating and protecting special interests. Sometimes the resulting public goods and services can be useful (though not more useful than a private counterpart), but you don't have a compelling reason for the expansion.

      Thanks for your point of view, and I gather most agree with you, but exactly that is what I'm warning US people of: there's a convenient size of the government and that is nor minimal nor gigantic (like in the old USSR).

      I'm saying quite the opposite of what you say: the government must have enough size and stamina to resist special interests... and I'm not some kind of anti-capitalist -- there is a wide range of politically active entities which can profit from a weak state and thereby control an entire nation. Beware of that, that's what I'm saying.

      Go for minimal at your own peril (yes, I'm not from the US, so perhaps I should be worried about my own country, but let's say the USA has seen better days). And the USA, Russia or China are so big that if they sink, a lot of countries nearby will sink, too. So, I'm indirectly acting in self-interest by wanting a healthier democracy in the USA.

    3. Re:"Bias" by khallow · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I understand. You want me to prove my assertion? Well, I thought it was immediate: anarchists want less state.

      That's not the definition of anarchists or anarchy. The actual definition is:

      1: A state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority:

      [...]

      1.1: Absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.

      See? It's not about having the government do less, but not having a government to do anything.

      > We don't need government to be big enough to protect the taxi companies/medallion holders from competition with Uber. We don't need government big enough to protect Google and Amazon from competition with other drone users. Nor do we need it to protect banks and lazy law enforcement agencies from competition with currencies that don't force you to register every large transfer of money you make with a hostile government.

      Yes, we do. Not me and you, but the ones that play the major roles in our society really need that. The state must be small to be highly maneuverable, and yet have the minimal functions of a good vehicle to enable them to use it effectively. This is my point.

      Perhaps you need a reminder on the definition of "we"? "We" includes "you" and "me". You do nothing to contradict my original post, because it is not "we " who need rent seeking established by government, but "them", a relatively small number of people who desire this protection and don't have much to offer, aside from artificially making life more expensive for the rest of us, for why they should get it.

  24. I'm not so sure by bytesex · · Score: 1

    I know it fits perfectly inside the wet dream of what Americans think the US is all about, but I'm not sure that allowing the flying of drones without some regulation is a good idea.

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    1. Re:I'm not so sure by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about the already highly regulated drones, as used by the military and in very limited cases by some domestic government operators and a very few commercial operators who have pursued legal waivers and are forced to use military-grade equipment? Or are you talking about remote control model planes and copters, which people have been flying for decades?

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  25. Since when does America attack her tinkerers? by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So what is the assertion here- the government will stop technology as soon as it gets a whiff of what's going on? Are you sure you're not mixing up the government with your parents?

    The government has no interest in stopping the forward movement of technology, nor do they have a historical record of trying to do so. The idea that they *might have* stopped the automobile or drones or bitcoin is just that, an idea you have for some reason. It's a historical counterfactual injected to frame the government as technologically regressive.

    I see no evidence that the government is ideologically technologically regressive. If your point is that politicians think the internet is a like a bunch of old fashonied vacuum tubes through which messages get sent (which actually is not a terrible analogy) then consider that about as many older movie stars and writers and artists don't use or *get* modern technology as politicians, who skew heavily upwards in age.

    Just recalling instances from one day's reading and listening Richard Gere isn't on Twitter and Richard Ford writes his novels longhand without a computer. So it goes.

    OTOH we fund via DARPA and other programs vast amounts of the most cutting edge science, science which if it were declassified would seem like magic to us. We're talking advances in things like human cloning and quantum computers which are mind blowing even to readers of /.

    So where is this "good thing they didn't know about THIS" attitude coming from? America celebrates it's inventors, tinkerers, mavericks, oddballs. All these things you cite are products of tinkering. They're not basic science but the application of well known technologies to solve problems in novel ways.

    Say what you want about America, pre-emptive legislation is not in American's DNA. If something becomes big enough to start impacting innocent bystanders, broadly considered, then Congress steps in, as is its right and duty.

    1. Re:Since when does America attack her tinkerers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes governments or more usually left-wing city councils like to issue permits, licenses, franchises as a way of making money. Some of the worst cases are that they will sell more parking permits than parking spaces to residents and commuting workers, then let them fight it out over who parks where. Or the council will sell "franchises" to door-to-door salespeople selling things like sandwiches, snacks or drinks, giving each franchisee an exclusive monopoly on those particular streets.

      If they had known about drones, they could have passed legislation on the licensing of autonomous flying cameras or attempted to regulate the online booking of taxis, requiring the service to be in the city boundaries.

    2. Re:Since when does America attack her tinkerers? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      If something becomes big enough to start impacting innocent bystanders, broadly considered, then Congress steps in, as is its right and duty...

      ... since federalism was declared defunct around 1937.

      Prior to that time, state governments were primarily in charge of protecting "innocent bystanders," except when Congress's "right and duty" was explicitly spelled out in the enumerated powers granted them by the Constitution. Congress didn't pass much "pre-emptive legislation" for its first 150 years because it was not authorized to do so in most cases. You explanation omits that reason why the U.S. doesn't have a longer history of such actions. (State government, on the other hand, have a history of being much more interventionist in many cases.)

      (By the way, I'm NOT a tea party nutter, and I believe Congress needs broad powers in a modern age. On the other hand, I do think it's important to recognize when Congress completely "went off the rails" of what it was legally authorized and granted the "right and duty" to do. It would be nice if we amended the legal document that supposedly runs this country to be in accord with what Congress actually does in practice these days.)

    3. Re:Since when does America attack her tinkerers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget unlicensed spectrum, where the rules boil down to "don't step on anyone else". Can't have WiFi without it.

    4. Re:Since when does America attack her tinkerers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the government is not directly interested in stopping technology, but there are a number of individuals with a great deal of money that do not want to see new technologies disrupt their gravy train. These individuals use their money to buy influence, or "lobby" the government to enact regulation that will harm the competition. For a really blatant case of this, follow the dollar signs in the Toronto (Ontario, Canada) Taxi industry when Uber came to town.

      To use your own terms, an innocent bystander is anyone who's personal wealth might be affected by a new technology. That is to say, the welfare of an individual is all too often put before the welfare of the whole, which is the exact opposite of what democracy is meant to achieve.

      America celebrates money. Any appearance of technical progressiveness is purely incidental in the pursuit of wealth by a very small fraction of the population, and often at the expense of the remainder of that population.

  26. Great by homesandhotel · · Score: 1

    Highway speed limits are for all motor vehicles But trucks used to be _much_ smaller than modern double wides or tanker-trucks for fuel and chemical delivery, so a whole new set of laws

  27. Dumb argument by tomhath · · Score: 2

    Does Mr. Matley expect the government to anticipate the next fad and outlaw it just because? Maybe the government should have outlawed Segways, they were supposed to be game changers.

    1. Re:Dumb argument by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably. We do seem to be moving in a "guilty until proven innocent" and "that which is not explicitly allowed is forbidden" direction, with more than a touch of "that which is allowed is mandatory".

  28. You mean regulations can't keep up by MikeRT · · Score: 2

    The Code of Hammurabi or the Law of Moses (in particular) could probably handle most situations arising from "being a dick and hurting someone with your toys." We settled the basic problem of how to handle actual cases of hurting people with your toys about 4k-5k years ago, we just quibble on what the punishments should be. In fact, ironically, if we stole the standards of evidence used in the Law of Moses for our own system, it would put the innocence project out of business (for good reasons) because prosecutors and cops would be scared shitless to abuse the defendant, but I digress...

    Most of what TFS mentions are just regulatory decisions. These are often just "nice to haves" that have little bearing on whether you can accurately say that the courts are unable to address real harms done to real people and property. The FAA might not be able to regulate the nuances of drones now, but I'd bet good money that at any point since they became commercially available, that had you caused someone's death with one (even by accident) a prosecutor could have nailed you to the wall in any court in the union.

  29. The devil is in the details by sjbe · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why should laws keep up with technology? Laws should be written in such a way that the technology involved doesn't matter.

    Kind of adorable that you think that is possible. Oh you can put a general framework out there but there ALWAYS are going to be specific details that need legislation. Congress in the 1700s could not possible have written a law that deals adequately with the nuances of radio communications 200 years later. Nobody is so smart as to be able to write laws in such a way that technology doesn't matter. Furthermore any law that is so broad as to cover everything will have innumerable corner case, loopholes and problems. You need a good framework but sooner or later you are going to have to get into the ugly specifics.

    1. Re:The devil is in the details by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Furthermore any law that is so broad as to cover everything will have innumerable corner case, loopholes and problems.

      Exactly this. If you only take current technology into account, you'll wind up with a strictly applied law with few loopholes (at least technology-related loopholes). However, this law will quickly become obsolete once technology marches on. On the flip side, trying to write your law for all possible future technologies will result in a law so broad that it can be used against anyone/anything regardless of whether that was it's initial intent.

      For example, look at the penalties for violating copyright. $750 - $150,000 per instance. This was written when "violating copyright" primarily meant commercially burning pirate CDs to sell on street corners for $1 each. Running a commercial operation like this could be very profitable and thus was worthy of taking down with massive fines. (Otherwise, you risked telling commercial pirates "You made $1 million pirating last year. Here's a $500 fine. Now don't do it again.")

      Technology changed, as it often does, and now you have normal people violating copyright by using free software that lets them download copies of music and movies from other people while sharing their own music and movies. We can debate whether or not this should be illegal, but even if we assume it should be, it doesn't warrant a $150,000 per file uploaded/downloaded fine. These people aren't the original targets of the law, but they are being included in it.

      What needs to happen is that the law should be amended to take into account current technology and give appropriate penalties for non-commercial pirates. Of course, the law as written is just fine with the RIAA/MPAA and they will fight to make sure that any rewrite is more severe and clamps down on new technologies. So you have a law that is behind the times and organizations who might be going the way of buggy whip manufacturers using all of their considerable political clout to make sure transforming technologies are outlawed.

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    2. Re:The devil is in the details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congress in the 1700s could not possible have written a law that deals adequately with the nuances of radio communications 200 years later.

      They could. What you can say on air: can be covered by laws about printing presses (which they had at the time.) All you need is that the law isn't specific to ink-on-paper technology.

      Regulation of spectrum use: The radio spectrum itself wasn't discovered, but you could certainly have a generic law about the use & regulation of any severely limited resource that becomes popular. could work on anything from radio spectrum to freswater resources. Instead, they have made special-case laws everytime something new ran out. And often too late, after a lot of pollution or depletion happened.

  30. The right to bear arms by Crowd+Computing · · Score: 2

    That's obviously one law that's been obsoleted since the Founding Fathers couldn't have anticipated the arrival of the submachine gun and the shoulder-fired rocket.

    1. Re:The right to bear arms by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      That's obviously one law that's been obsoleted since the Founding Fathers couldn't have anticipated the arrival of the submachine gun and the shoulder-fired rocket.

      Of course they could have anticipated the arrival of the submachine gun. The shoulder-fired rocket is, I suppose, significantly less obvious. However, it was presaged by a number of rocket weapons, including the Korean Hwacha, employed against the Japanese in the 1590s. Europeans became aware of rocket technology "thanks" to the Mongols, and the first iron-cased rockets were successfully developed and used in 1792 by rulers of the Kingdom of Mysore in India against British East India Company forces. And no, I didn't know any of these specifics without looking them up :p

      If the law had been meant to be limited to rifles, muskets and handguns, it would have said so. Instead, it said arms. The point was that the arms would be in the hands of the people — although it may be possible to read that as states. However, the national guard is the Army National Guard, and in any case it is dwarfed by the other armed services collected, so no possible intent of the second amendment is being honored by our government today.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    2. Re:The right to bear arms by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      In fact, the founding fathers would push for machine guns and shoulder fire rocket launchers to be owned by the general populous. They WANTED everyone to have military level firearms as it would prevent other countries from invading the US.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    3. Re:The right to bear arms by Crowd+Computing · · Score: 1

      Probably the reason the kill ratio in land combat has mostly been in US favor. Here you get what's effectively the largest reserve army in the world, larger than the official armies of countries with stricter gun control laws.

    4. Re:The right to bear arms by Crowd+Computing · · Score: 1

      Of course they could have anticipated the arrival of the submachine gun. The shoulder-fired rocket is, I suppose, significantly less obvious. However, it was presaged by a number of rocket weapons, including the Korean Hwacha, employed against the Japanese in the 1590s. Europeans became aware of rocket technology "thanks" to the Mongols, and the first iron-cased rockets were successfully developed and used in 1792 by rulers of the Kingdom of Mysore in India against British East India Company forces. And no, I didn't know any of these specifics without looking them up :p

      I doubt the Founding Fathers had access to Wikipedia. But yes, the image I get from the word "arms" is that it's any sort of weapon that you can carry in your "arms".

  31. How Government Regulation Works by retroworks · · Score: 3, Informative

    1. Tinkerer invents something.

    2. Regulator goes to office, gets cup of coffee, reads the paper, doesn't care.

    3. "Wild West" economy as millions buy and use invention.

    4. Regulator goes to lunch.

    5. Nine Journalists report on invention as wonderful, spectacular, world-changing.

    6. Regulator does some shopping on way back from lunch.

    7. Tenth journalist, beaten to punch, finds "man bites dog" story, unintended consequence of invention

    8. Regulator packs briefcase for ride home.

    9. Legislators get panicked calls from people either hurt by invention, or afraid they'll be hurt by invention.

    10. Regulator has dinner, goes to bed.

    Guess what regulator reads in the paper tomorrow morning? Guess what's in the regulator's email tomorrow morning?

    As a former regulator, there's nothing sinister about either the cowboy market or the regulations, and I get weary of the memes of anti-cowboy and anti-sheriff. What is broken is risk-benefit analysis, and it's probably broken at the journalism juncture. "if it bleeds, it leads" gives journalists money if they shock us, and there's nothing more shocking than a new risk we have to worry about.

    --
    Gently reply
    1. Re:How Government Regulation Works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the lawyers.

  32. Too early to tell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're just now drafting the rules on drones. Check back in five years, drones will be a legal nightmare for hobbyists.

  33. Bitcoin by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

    Is a currency, it is already regulated as are all other currencies, nothing new about it

    --
    Puteulanus fenestra mortis
  34. Oklahoma? by ScottyKUtah · · Score: 1

    "If the FAA had been either farsighted or fast moving, at the first sign of drones it might've outlawed them or confined them to someplace like Oklahoma where they can't get in the way of anything too important"

    Hey, I live in Oklahoma, you insensitive clod!

    On a serious note, the Panhandle is the perfect place to test drones, absolutely nothing out there.

    --
    He who laughs last is at 300 baud.
  35. reality CAPTCHA: alters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Capitalism is a law of nature,like evolution: communism is a religion, like creationism.

    1. Re:reality CAPTCHA: alters by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Capitalism is a law of nature,like evolution: communism is a religion, like creationism.

      They are both human social constructs.

      Lions and zebras practise neither capitalism nor communism.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  36. The Great Degeneration: How .. Economies Die by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

    The Great Degeneration: How Institutions Decay and Economies Die
    http://www.amazon.ca/The-Great...

    From the blurb: "Our markets are hindered by overcomplex regulations that debilitate the political and economic processes they were created to support; the rule of law has become the rule of lawyers."

    Learn about unintended consequences of regulations.

    --
    Prove anything by multiplying Huge Number times Tiny Number
  37. No dissing Oklahoma!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >confined them to someplace like Oklahoma...

    I think you mean "Kansas".

  38. And laws can't keep up with financial instruments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...leading to one economic crisis after the other, as essentially the same financial instruments that blew up the economy last time, are brought back through 'financial innovation' (read: legalized fraud), and used to blow up bubbles and eventually tank the economy again.

    Sidestepping the law is not a good and meritable thing...though it will sure sound appealing to the Libertards, whose kneejerk opposition to anything state/regulation-based, has as its logic conclusion, complete exemption from the law, so that rampant financial-pillaging can be justified.

  39. Confounded In Complexity by JimSadler · · Score: 2

    It is odd that the New testament speaks of the end times when we will be confounded by our complexity. Beyond that we have a situation where numerous laws can be applied to many situations and the effect is that a judge can pretty much do anything he likes which in a way is the same as having no laws at all. Then we have an issue with law makers creating laws which have severely negative effects that were unexpected. A huge example is in the creation of smart guns. The intention was to keep people in our nation a bit safer. But the law that passed actually doomed the sale of smart guns completely. The problem is linked to a law passed in New Jersey that mandated that once available on the market anywhere in the US the residents of NJ would be denied the right to purchase any regular gun and buy only a smart gun. So nobody in the firearms industry and almost zero gun owners will tolerate a smart gun being made or sold. If NJ had simply passed a law saying that a gun store must offer at least one smart gun for sale then we would have smart guns all over the nation while most gun hobbyists would still buy non smart guns. We also have a lot of laws and customs that are actually causing crimes. Allowing private bail companies and failure to provide money to hire private lawyers are causing people to commit crimes to pay for lawyers and bails. But because money is involved no progress can be made to build a decent criminal justice system.

    1. Re:Confounded In Complexity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      absurdity is not complexity.

  40. Re:And laws can't keep up with financial instrumen by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

    Sorry , your response confused me. AFAIK it's conservative-libertarian spectrum who oppose regulation and "libtards" (an insult which almost made me not bother replying to you) are often accused by those same conservative-libertarians of wanting to regulate anything not nailed down.

    Perhaps you're new to these ideas and you've got yourself turned around? After all, people are always coming "on line" politically speaking.

    In ay case, the sane 60-80% in the middle of the polity agree that thoughtful, flexible regulation which is open to being tweaked revisited is indispensible to civilization. At the extreme ends of the spectrum and well outside the aforementioned 80% lie on the right the Ayn Randers and libertarians and on the left ideologically driven Communists and Anarchists.

    Going forward, it might be worth your while to check to see if you actually have a real difference with people you think are your opponents, at least, before lobbing the insult grenade.

    Cheers.

  41. OP missed the mark and why that's a bad thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where legislators aren't keeping up -and it's having negative impact- is in drafting appropriate legislation while understanding its implications. What logical reasons are there for email being treated differently than mail or telephony? As noted by many here, we have no shortage of legislation. There are plenty of laws that already apply to the salient bits of any new technology. All our legislators really need to do is amend existing law for clarification, like that email is just mail and our government shouldn't be able to poke around in yours without a warrant. Instead a lack of understanding has them treating it as if it's no longer private, constitutionally protected communication if the right key words are bandied about.

    1. Re:OP missed the mark and why that's a bad thing by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Where legislators aren't keeping up -and it's having negative impact- is in drafting appropriate legislation while understanding its implications.

      How are a bunch of lawyers going to understand the implications of new laws on technology?

  42. Airbnb and firecodes / safty issues as well. by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Airbnb and fire codes / safety issues as well.

    Now if some dies in a unsafe airbnb rented place I don't think they may be able to hide under that EULA.

  43. Re:And laws can't keep up with financial instrumen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah was mixing up my insults - 'libtards' to me, represents those conservative-libertarians you mention, though I see now it's more commonly used to refer to liberals.

  44. Why would that be a good thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The issue can be remedied by a small amendment to the consitution to the effect that a technique, method, machine or device can be legally sold and used if some law allows it, a patent or monopoly has been granted. Thus the people would be able to regulate and direct the course of innovation.

  45. Great for business, bad for consumers by mongothesecond · · Score: 1

    There is a level of complexity the average consumer doesnt want to deal with. They want their banking secure, their cars reliable, and to not incur a risk of jail for their daily affairs. Government is not allowing criminal action (fraud, theft, harassment, etc) to be prosecuted in many cases. To my mind, an unenforced law might as well be taken off the books.

  46. Generic laws are only good for frameworks by sjbe · · Score: 1

    What you can say on air: can be covered by laws about printing presses (which they had at the time.) All you need is that the law isn't specific to ink-on-paper technology.

    Generic laws are often not appropriate in new circumstances. While you could in principle apply the same standards for speech, it's pretty easy to show cases where that isn't really optimal in different formats. Furthermore radio communications isn't just broadcasting. There is a LOT more to it than that.

    The radio spectrum itself wasn't discovered, but you could certainly have a generic law about the use & regulation of any severely limited resource that becomes popular.

    That's a framework but there still are radio specific nuances that need laws for radio specific issues. What sort of frequencies can you transmit? Who is allowed? What sort of power is acceptable? How do you prevent interference? Etc. None of these issues could be covered adequately by a generic law. We have the FCC precisely because we need a neutral arbiter to keep the airwaves usable and avoid a tragedy of the commons situation.

  47. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine)

    APK

    P.S.=> You = disgusting butthurt liar... apk

  48. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  49. Coren22 proven a LYING punk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)

    Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    (Searching this in BOLD "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)

    I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).

    I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.

    I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).

    Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk

  50. Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

    &

    How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

    FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

    ---

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

    ---

    Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

    I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    You told me you learn from guides?

    I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

    + WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    You did all that? No!

    (& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)

    APK

    P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" in security... apk

  51. propaganda - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pushing 'tech' and fraud 'law'. The Jews made up bogus 'government', the jews own all the major 'corporations' including 'tech', they took over the web which we built and paid for. They're behind all 'cyber' bs, their fraud 'anonymous' fronts, their bs scum in other 'countries' controlled by jews, they do the attacks then say 'need more security' so idiots choke down more fraud 'laws'. Know who owns you. Go to this thread, I have a post with mass of info and links, notice they hide my posts.

    http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/11/02/1829233/anonymous-begins-publishing-ku-klux-klan-member-details-online

    click load all comments, also slide bar over to show all posts. This bs article to pretend 'tech' is 'ahead' of bogus 'law' is so idiots fail to see what's been done to us already and what's going to be done if you don't get off your ass and stop them. see thread, load all comments, also slide bar over -

  52. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that YOUR fake site for MORE LIES Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=

  53. Coren22's desperation, lies, & libel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    False positive: I've wrote 'em long ago, no response vs. 60++ REPUTABLE sources (not nobodies) below that fries you Coren22!

    Is that YOUR fake site for MORE LIES Coren22?

    Lying about me LIKE YOU DID HERE punk? -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ??

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    APK

    P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)