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Self-Driving Delivery Robots To Hit Sidewalks of London In 2016 (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Estonian start-up Starship Technologies is taking a different approach to automated delivery with a ground-based self-driving robot. Headquartered in London and launched by two ex-Skype founders, the robotics company has unveiled its suburban pavement-strolling bot which can travel at a speedy 4mph. Starship claims that the 40-pound machine could deliver packages in 5 to 30 minutes from local retailers and restaurants. The company argues that a grounded approach to automated delivery will remove some of the safety concerns linked to flying drone systems, as the robot is much less likely to cause harm.

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  1. I had a different idea of starship technologies by youn · · Score: 1

    amusing they call themselves 'starship technologies' but maybe it's because the earth is a spaceship.

    either way, I welcome our robotic overlords :)

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    1. Re:I had a different idea of starship technologies by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      They had a better name in mind, but it was already taken by some modem manufacturers.

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    2. Re:I had a different idea of starship technologies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asimov approves.

    3. Re:I had a different idea of starship technologies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without having RTFA, it sounds like these are food deliveries or small items that someone can walk to the retailer for. That being the case, replacing the walking with a powered device will mean more electricity/gas. If the devices are solar-powered, not much of an issue. So the consumer exercises less, even if it's just walking to a tube stop and getting on a for short jaunt, and there is more carbon-emitting power being consumed for something that previously was based on human power. Sounds like a win.

  2. 40 pounds? by tgibson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What's to keep these from being carried to the nearest alley and a relieved of their payloads?

    1. Re: 40 pounds? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      It's in the UK, plenty of surveillance.

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    2. Re:40 pounds? by youn · · Score: 1

      Cameras, GPS, constant communication with base would mitigate loss but I guess it could be an acceptable cost of doing business

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    3. Re: 40 pounds? by tgibson · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's in the UK, plenty of surveillance.

      That doesn't deter, does it? Isn't there a lot of crime in London despite the surveillance?

    4. Re:40 pounds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have the perfect solution. Fuck peppersprays and all that nonsense. Robots should squirt cum in threatending situations. Of course, not real cum, but shit that looks like it by the gallon.

      No one will fuck with them. Well, no robber. Can't talk about the perverts.

    5. Re:40 pounds? by frovingslosh · · Score: 2

      I look forward to the stories of how this failed and how no one could have ever anticipated all of the theft and vandalism problems.

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    6. Re:40 pounds? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 0

      If the robots can squirt cum, you can be sure the perverts will fuck with them.

      Fight for your bitcoins!

    7. Re:40 pounds? by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      Make this like cars, but more compact. Make it as heavy as cars, sturdy, and have a loud alarm that lets people around know someone is tampering with bot (like tampering with a car).

    8. Re: 40 pounds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's so little crime in London (with the exception of some suburbs quite a long way out which, even then, are very low on international scales) it's laughable.

    9. Re:40 pounds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Vandalisms and theft happens, yet it is still possible to park your car or your bike in most places without getting it vandalized or stolen.

      The reason society works is because most people aren't assholes.

    10. Re:40 pounds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What's to keep these from being carried to the nearest alley and a relieved of their payloads?"

      If they sense that, they cut off the power and they become a dead lift, impossible to carry.

    11. Re:40 pounds? by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 2

      This could be solved by making it slightly sturdier, perhaps 200-400lb (instead of easy-to-carry-away 40lb), perhaps a metal cage to protect bits, a taser for those enthusiastic pedestrians... and in extreme cases, perhaps a gun...for those termination missions (though then it would have to be made to look like Schwarzenegger :-).

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    12. Re:40 pounds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and have a loud alarm

      Amm.... you do realize that most people think ``oh, damn, I hope this car gets stolen/wrecked soon'' every time they hear that car alarm... (NOBODY thinks ``uh, oh, let me call the cops, 'cause something could be going on''. Unless they think of calling the cops on the car owner for noise.).

    13. Re:40 pounds? by rossdee · · Score: 1

      " they cut off the power and they become a dead lift, impossible to carry."

      And of course nobody can carry a 40 pound dead weight.

    14. Re: 40 pounds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I hear a car alarm the immediate impulse is to bash in the windshield.

      Likewise, when I am startled by one of the assholes who has the horn sound when the doors are locked. Actually for that one, I want to develop a sound sensor for my car so that when it senses one of those short beeps while my car is parked, my car responds with a long blast of it's horn.

    15. Re:40 pounds? by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      Then that's a denial of service attack. People will fuck with them all the time to shut them off and delay deliveries.

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    16. Re:40 pounds? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      What's to keep these from being carried to the nearest alley and a relieved of their payloads?

      What's to stop you hijacking a parcel delivery van? Or mugging a little old lady for her pension? Or robbing a bank?

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    17. Re:40 pounds? by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      " they cut off the power and they become a dead lift, impossible to carry."

      And of course nobody can carry a 40 pound dead weight.

      This is slashdot, not some bodybuilding forum, bro.

      I've seen people here moan about the weight of a wristwatch.

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    18. Re: 40 pounds? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Actual evidence disagrees with you.
      https://www.police.uk/metropol...

    19. Re:40 pounds? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      What's to keep these from being carried to the nearest alley and a relieved of their payloads?

      Nothing. And kicked to pieces too.

      I live in the UK, and someone said it won't happen because of the number of surveillance cameras; that's rubbish, because the percentage of ground coverage outside of town centres and private premises (which is what is involved here) is tiny. In any case there is a huge difference between being on a security camera and someone in authority seeing it. Muggers don't give a shit about security cameras - they will dance in front of them.

    20. Re:40 pounds? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      Cameras, GPS, constant communication with base would mitigate loss

      How? The GPS will be on the robot, not the payload.

      I was once in a cafe with a guy who left his bike outside unlocked. He said it could not be stolen because he could watch it through the window. Then someone came along and rode it away.

    21. Re:40 pounds? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      What's to keep these from being carried to the nearest alley and a relieved of their payloads?

      What's to stop you hijacking a parcel delivery van? Or mugging a little old lady for her pension? Or robbing a bank?

      Because these involve human victims, that in some cases might put up a fight. A court would take such cases far more seriously than hijacking a robitic cart. As would the police - I can imagine a takeaway owner complaining to the police that his pizza was nicked on the way to Acacia Avenue and the police laughing their heads off, like "WTF did you expect!".

    22. Re:40 pounds? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Tell me about it.

      I have a neighbor whose car alarm goes off several times every day.... I cannot imagine that it is serving any purpose whatsoever at this point (other than to annoy)

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    23. Re:40 pounds? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Not everyone is an asshole.

      Besides, I am sure that if you did this enough you would eventually be caught. After all, the thing will likely be recording video of everything around it and shipping it off to the cloud in near real time.

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    24. Re:40 pounds? by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

      Vandalisms and theft happens, yet it is still possible to park your car or your bike in most places without getting it vandalized or stolen.

      If you park your car with a portable GPS, or an iPhone, sitting in plain view on the dashboard, I bet you'll have a different experience.

      The reason society works is because most people aren't assholes.

      So, you've never been to New York City, have you?

    25. Re: 40 pounds? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      My point was tongue-in-cheek but you would think the surveillance state would have made it easy to nab perpetrators. Instead, the cops aren't even checking these things because it's too time consuming. You just have to wonder where all the data goes then, if anyone is even listening.

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    26. Re:40 pounds? by godel_56 · · Score: 1

      Not everyone is an asshole.

      No, but the assholes are, and there is a non-zero number of those in any population

      Besides, I am sure that if you did this enough you would eventually be caught. After all, the thing will likely be recording video of everything around it and shipping it off to the cloud in near real time.

      The cops largely couldn't be bothered and simple disguises such as hoodies go a long way to disguising identity. This is why we can't have nice things.

    27. Re: 40 pounds? by dave420 · · Score: 1

      The "UK surveillance state" nonsense was just that - a guess of the number of CCTV cameras around the UK by extrapolating based on a single street in a city. The number of CCTV cameras is far less than you think, and the number in private hands dwarfs the number controlled by the government. So to answer your question - the data stays with the owner of the CCTV, which for most cameras is a shop or private residence.

  3. Warning Labels by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Funny

    To precent mischief future bots will have to deter theft.... one suggested sticker:

    DELIVERY BOT CARRIES LESS THAN 2GB OF RAM AT ALL TIMES.

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    1. Re:Warning Labels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, so just like the computers at work then.

  4. Safer??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds so much safer having these bots on the crowded streets than in the relatively clear skies.

    Goes to show that past performance is no predictor of future success. Unless they already have a shonky acquisition with MS already lined up.

  5. 15 times cheaper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    15 times cheaper than a Mexican on a bicycle?

    Wow. Just. Wow.

    1. Re:15 times cheaper? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

      >> 15 times cheaper than a Mexican on a bicycle?

      Considering how many Mexicans there are in London, then yes, the robot might be cheaper.

    2. Re:15 times cheaper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take it you've never been to London's "Little Mexico".

    3. Re:15 times cheaper? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I take it you've never been to London's "Little Mexico".

      Two Chihuahuans in a flat doesn't make it an ethnic enclave.

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  6. Lawsuits... by cmeans · · Score: 1

    I can see a lot of people getting hurt because they run/walk into them (not looking up from their phone), or because they just freak-out, or assume it will move out of their way (will it, or will it just stop and wait for the way to clear?)

    1. Re:Lawsuits... by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      By the same token, I can also see some degree of hostility and mischief ... I mean, I'm sorry, but what do you figure the odds are someone won't give it a good kick or otherwise find ways to abuse it?

      And I'll tell you what, I aint getting out of the way of no damned robot; so if it isn't bigger than me, it better be faster than me.

      Mark my words, people will treat this like shit on their shoes. They sure as heck won't be polite to it.

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    2. Re:Lawsuits... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      They should be okay unless they deploy it in Philly.

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    3. Re: Lawsuits... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, or London... Ooh wait, crap.

    4. Re:Lawsuits... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      They should be okay unless they deploy it in Philly.

      The first thing I thought of was that these would be fun to skitch off of.

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    5. Re:Lawsuits... by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      That's why you really should get the Starship app on your IPhone! It notifies you with a big splash "Robot ahead" if you come near one, so that you still can keep looking at your phone. The paid pro version even makes the robots avoid you instead of you having to avoid them. Only works if GPS enabled.

    6. Re:Lawsuits... by WillKemp · · Score: 1

      [......] what do you figure the odds are someone won't give it a good kick or otherwise find ways to abuse it?

      This is London we're talking about, so it's guaranteed that will happen. A lot. The other thing that's guaranteed to happen is they'll get stolen - then probably sold as scrap.

    7. Re:Lawsuits... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I find it interesting how different cultures react to robots. The Japanese love them and treat them with some degree of respect. There is some evidence that most of Europe and Canada is safe for robots, but not the US. I wouldn't like to be metal in the UK either.

      Why is it that in certain cultures there are otherwise seemingly normal people who react with violence towards machines? Is it just machines, would they kick over a mobility scooter if the rider didn't get out of their way? If they owned a robot would they program it to be aggressive in the face of rudeness?

      Being the UK I imagine it will have 360 degree CCTV and a really smug recorded voice that says "warning, robot approaching" constantly, interspersed with that horrible grating sound that reversing lorries make.

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    8. Re: Lawsuits... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not machines, it's any chance to hurt something and get away with it. There is a lot of repressed anger in some cultures.

    9. Re:Lawsuits... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theft, vandalism, alleged cause of collisions, these are only a few of the potential problems resulting from interactions with people on the streets. So the advantage of not having infrequent crashes from skybots is probably way outweighed by having a LOT of other junk occur. Imagine all the cool pranks that could be pulled! Just among shippers there were all sorts of stories of abuse of Gateway cow containers, just because the contents were assumed to be known. Now put these things out in the public? Interesting idea, but there sure are a lot of issues, and some won't be evident until a lot of money has been spent putting these things on the streets. That is, none of us can predict all the issues associated with constant human interaction.

    10. Re:Lawsuits... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Japanese love and respect robots, because that's who will take care of them when they get old.

  7. immobility by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the robotics company has unveiled its suburban pavement-strolling bot which can travel at a speedy 4mph. Starship claims that the 40-pound machine could deliver packages in 5 to 30 minutes from local retailers and restaurants.

    You know, you all are some lazy-ass motherfuckers.

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    1. Re:immobility by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      You know, you all are some lazy-ass motherfuckers.

      Or the exact opposite. So NOT lazy that they're busy working at what they specialize all day, that it makes more sense to use their time that way while someone else who specializes in delivering food or office supplies spends their time sparing the busy people from having to stop what they're doing.

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    2. Re:immobility by rus.tech.studio · · Score: 1

      Seriously. 4 MPH with a maximum delivery time of 30 minutes (let's say constrained by battery lifetime) gives a 2 mile radius at most... that's just fucking ridiculous!

    3. Re:immobility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember that scene in iRobot where they had all the drones coming out of the truck. Maybe it'll be like that - the autonomous truck will drive into the middle of a city and 30 pizza delivery bots will roll out!

    4. Re:immobility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're talking about London, not LA.

      Greater London Metro Area... approx 10mil in 671 sqmi..... about 15k people/sq mile.... 2 mile radius is about 180k people.

      LA ... approx 13 mil in 4850 sqmi... about 2680 people/sq mile... 2 mile radius is about 34k people.

      What makes sense in one place may not make sense in others.

    5. Re:immobility by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      Or better, a human-driven truck will drive into a street, and 3 drones come out and make deliveries, while the driver makes other deliveries himself, or use drone-assist delivering a heavy or delicate item (say, a fridge).

    6. Re:immobility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think of how dense European cities are. A 2 mile radius in the City of London covers an awful lot of people. For those of use who think in metric, a 6km wide circle over central london is millions of people

    7. Re:immobility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, what they specialize in all day is to get fat sitting on their asses all day in a cubicle farm working hard to make the rich richer.

    8. Re: immobility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, except replace "pizza delivery not" with "death bot"

    9. Re:immobility by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      You're right. They should dig ditches while working for their own landscaping business instead of taking advantage of the offer to make six figures helping to do something they couldn't possibly do without a large company's infrastructure and finances. Good plan.

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  8. Robot this, Drone that.. Seriously.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyday there seems to be more and more of this crap..
    In as many new dreams these companies have, we see just as many stories of all this tech stuff being hacked.. Drones, cars, banks, governments..

    It's almost like a fairy tale.. Some are getting rich from it, either via grants, buy-outs or wannabe Wall Street and insane IPO's (Facebook anyone?)

    So what's going to happen when hacker meets all this automation crap? Seriously, if even 10% of all this crap ever makes into the real world, how, where and what is going to cover the liability..

    With the Gov's trying to block any sort of encryption at every chance, and also playing terrorist (suxnet), how can anyone even possibly see any of this working out for the actual betterment of life?

    200 of these things get hacked and decide to ______. I mean seriously...

    1. Re:Robot this, Drone that.. Seriously.. by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      Dont worry grandpa, these robots will stay off your lawn.

  9. Wakes up in a dumpster full of ice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oil filter missing and covered in graffiti - with no log of what happened.

  10. Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will they have plungers sticking out the front, and roll around saying "Exterminate! Exterminate!"?

    1. Re:Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Deliverate! Deliverate!

      OH NO STAIRS

  11. What The Dip Shits Wont Do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry Boyz.

    Londoners are all over you and have the jump.

    When you think you got the Huff, the Londoners Have the Jump.

    Too bad for you. Ha ha

  12. Nicked, bust or ride-on ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The thing that came to mind was: "They will all be stolen within a couple of days". If it's not nailed down in London, someone will steal it.

    The second thing that came to mind was: "If it's not stolen yet, a bike courier will smash it to bits with a hammer".

    The third thing that came to mind was: "Those that aren't stolen or smashed will be used as transport/for a laugh by pissheads".

    The final thing that came to mind was: "That's a clever idea and I can see more uses than groceries/crap in them".

    However then I remembered 1,2 and 3 again.

  13. i wonder.. by originalGMC · · Score: 1

    I wonder if these robots need to have breakable encryption ... if the government can't learn about what they're delivering and where to, what's the point?

  14. The Dalek problem by moonlandingchap · · Score: 3, Informative

    Knowing the streets of London, there are lots of kurbs, sunken manhole covers, uneven paving slabs and just hundreds of road crossings. This thing better have some clever way of keeping moving over quite rough ground without getting stuck. Meanwhile if it's carrying anything worth delivering then someone will try to have it away. Also most Londoners don't live on the ground floor, how does it get the attention of the target person to come and meet it in the street? The project will probably fail and the police will hijack it and use them as camera drones. Maybe even parking enforment.

    1. Re:The Dalek problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That gives me an idea. Make a Dalek costume for one and when you see one go by put it on with a recording saying "Exterminate!" and let it go on about its business afterwards. Sounds far more entertaining than just stealing it.

    2. Re:The Dalek problem by cc1984_ · · Score: 1

      Daleks are a welcome and integrated part of London life. They even have their own dedicated toilet facilities

      http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2013/...

    3. Re:The Dalek problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus it's hard to see it being legal for the things to ever leave the pavement (and possibly not legal even to be there). And the legal bills the first time that one of them does damage or causes injury... frankly, this seems rather far-fetched.

  15. London doesn't have "sidewalks" by YuppieScum · · Score: 4, Informative

    London has pavements.

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  16. How long before by Chrisq · · Score: 0

    How long before the Muslims use one to deliver a bomb?

    1. Re:How long before by delt0r · · Score: 1

      Oh for fucks sake. You know why we don't have bombs going off every day. Because there are to first order zero fucking bombers. There are RC cars, plain cars, Quad copters, rc copters going back more than 20 years, taxis, plain old walking around and shit. Yet do you see bombs everywhere. How the fuck is this different from a courier bomb. Fed ex really don't check. Yet we get none.

      Because Terrorists are a lie.

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    2. Re:How long before by tomxor · · Score: 1

      Amused by your outrage of the overperception of terrorism - ignoring the parent posters grotesque use of the word "Muslim" as a synonym for "terrorist".

    3. Re:How long before by delt0r · · Score: 1

      I was deliberately ignoring that.

      But your right. I am outraged. The first thing these stupid people say "OMG a Terrorist could use it!", as if they can't already use the alternative. If it something new. Jumping at every shadow. I remember when it was communists. Seriously you got into real trouble if you didn't say USSR/Communism==evil.

      The shadows stay the same. Only the labels change.

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    4. Re:How long before by dave420 · · Score: 1

      There you go again - letting your rampant fear and xenophobia drag you into besmirching over 1.6 billion people, publicly, with absolutely no thought behind it what so ever. Considering there have been more bombs planted in London by Christians than Muslims, you are simply explaining that you don't know your history or religion, yet are so sure in your intrinsic awesomeness that you don't need silly things like facts to make a disgusting, ignorant assertion.

      You really are pathetic. I thought you were getting better, but apparently not - thinking is too difficult, hate is too easy, and ignorance is bliss.

    5. Re:How long before by tomxor · · Score: 1

      The first thing these stupid people say "OMG a Terrorist could use it!", as if they can't already use the alternative. If it something new. Jumping at every shadow.

      Yes, it's silly when people don't consider the dangers of new things with the perspective of existing things... but what i find interesting is that most people are polarised on the subject.... to one of the straw men which can be summed up as: "technology kills people" || "people kill people".

      When i think it's reasonable to say that reality is far more grey, and the old saying "With great power comes great responsibility" is the most truthful... and frankly a 18Kg pavement bound self driving box while possibly mildly useful and relieving of mundane tasks - is not "great power" or dangerous by comparison to most things... like a sharp stick.

  17. I did this in 2010 and nobody cared by spiritplumber · · Score: 1

    Self-driving delivery robots hit the streets of Verbania in 2010 and it just ended up on the local paper. Couldn't get anyone to invest in it. Why?

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    1. Re:I did this in 2010 and nobody cared by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 1

      Couldn't get anyone to invest in it. Why?

      Because 2010. This is 2015... free moneh for everyone!*

      *tech startups with "autonomous", "app", "cloud", "shiny", and "daffodil" in their descriptions.

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  18. Lot's of room for creative non-sense ... by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Can they be hacked via WiFi/Bluetooth/whatnot?
    I can imagine some people re-programming these for a detour into somebody garage for looting.
    Or simply having them drive around in circles or chug along the highway, sprayed with graffity sprayed all over them. ...
    Countless possibilities. :-)
    The first thing my buddy's gonna get when amazon sends out it's delivery drones is a shotgun. :-)

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  19. Only 40 pounds! by Krymzn · · Score: 1

    So cheap! That's about 61 US dollars at the moment!

  20. Self-Driving Delivery Robots To Hit Sidewalks? by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 0

    Sorry is this tech only for delivering to American Tourists because they're the only people in London who use the term sidewalk

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  21. Mobility Scooters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You know what else moves at 4mph on a pavement. The elderly in mobility scooters, potentially we could give them souped up mobility scouters and let them be low speed couriers around London.

    For some reason I find that more frightening than a robot doing the deliveries..

  22. "sidewalks" by Gonoff · · Score: 2

    Outside the USA, there are very few sidewalks and none in London.

    As English is not only our first language but it goes back centuries, we have pavements.

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    1. Re: "sidewalks" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's cute how you all get bent out of shape over synonyms.
      You know what else is made of pavement? The street. Maybe we shouldn't distinguish between the two or maybe we should.
      I see now why we left you guys back, if you had all the influence over the English language we'd all be talking like the smurfs by now.

    2. Re: "sidewalks" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smurfs, your right that is exactly how you talk, I hadn't placed it before.

    3. Re: "sidewalks" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again - "English". Not "American".

      1) "Pavement" comes from the verb "to pave" - to cover with slabs or close-fitting pieces. Most road surfaces are not paved, and therefore (whatever atrocities the US may have committed upon the term) are not covered with pavement.
      2) Nor, in any case, is the area between the two pavements, in normal UK parlance, "the street" - that is "the road". The street is the entire thoroughfare, out as far as the property lines or similar demarcating its edges.

      (To be fair - half the time, when transpondian differences such as this one come up, it turns out that the US is actually using older words that the UK once shared, but which have fallen out of use over here. This, however, doesn't seem to be one of those.)

      Smurf that in your smurf and smurf it.

  23. So why are they allowed on the pavement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't that for pedestrians? I thought there were exemptions for mobility scooters, and buggies, but basically it's for people. I think you'd get into trouble driving robots around on it...

  24. Low cost returns. by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    The articles says that the high res cameras and GPS will be a deterrent. One could imagine thieves wearing balaclavas, but still things like gate-analysis or stand-off iris imaging will put the thieves at risk of being spotted by other cameras later and then identified in the future. Perhaps it will also employ something like an electric eel defense.

    In any case the economics of this are odd. They state that it will allow deliveries for $1 which they claim is 15 times less than a human driver. Empirically it does not cost $15 to deliver most packages. However that depends on what you are comparing too. A 40 pound package might easily cost over $25 to deliver. And if were talking same day delivery then more. On the otherhand, the last mile is not the only cost and I would assume that for heavy and same day delivery that much of the cost is in the upstream logistics. So perhaps this is meant for same day delivery of relatively heavy items where perhaps $15 makes sense.

    An additional cost savings is in the return of items. Being able to return things easily even if it is not free is a major incentive to shop stores like Sierra Trading post, Amazon and others with liberal return policies. Being able to do that return for free would revolutionize the industry.

    Thus I would conclude the big deal here is the low cost of returns.

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  25. Almost ready by PPH · · Score: 1

    Only a few remaining bugs need to be worked out.

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  26. Collision Avoidance by DickBreath · · Score: 1

    > Self-Driving Delivery Robots To Hit Sidewalks of London In 2016

    Why can't they have good enough collision avoidance so that they DO NOT hit the sidewalks?

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  27. You mean much more likely to cause harm. by Macdude · · Score: 1

    Flying drones will only risk injuring someone if they have a catastrophic failure and just happen to land on someone when they fall to earth.

    The land-drones will be in very close proximity to people the entire time they are operating creating numerous opportunity for injury on a constant basis. Way more people will be injured by these things than by flying drones.

    Plus, people will just kick them over when they are in their way.

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    1. Re:You mean much more likely to cause harm. by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      I am sure that the creators of this bot have considered all of these real-world scenarios.

      I am interested to see how it works out. It seems to be a really good idea.

      After all, if I can get away with not tipping for deliveries that would make me really happy :)

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  28. Private Taking by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

    If these things don't drive along the road, but instead use the sidewalks, it constitutes the UK-equivalent of a private taking of a public good.

    Sidewalks are for pedestrians, and sometimes bicycles (depending upon local laws &/or enforcement).

  29. Easy to steal? by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Yes, the lid is locked, but what stops anyone from following these bots with a van, open the side door, break the antenna off, and then grab that whole thing for disassembly at home? Or what if there are distortions (accidentally or intentionally) in the radio transmission that send that robot into a ditch for easy pickup? What engineers better spend their time on is redesigning living quarters to be walkable with plenty of services offered. That way we do not need dumb ideas like grocery delivery robots and no longer have to worry about widespread obesity.