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Emerging Technologies and the Future of Humanity (sagepub.com)

Lasrick writes: Brad Allenby, Lincoln Professor of Engineering and Ethics and founding chair of the Consortium for Emerging Technologies, Military Operations and National Security at Arizona State University, delivers a fascinating examination of resistance to technological developments over time. Allenby starts by breaking down discussions into 3 categories, and then focuses on the third: the "apocalyptic" discussions. "[T]echnological evolution is accelerating, which has significant implications. Past rates of technological change were slow enough that psychological, social, and institutional adjustments were possible, but today technology changes so rapidly that technology systems decouple from governance mechanisms of all kinds. All these factors, operating together, synergistically increase the impact, speed, and depth of change.

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  1. This professor should study systemd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This professor should study systemd, and the impact it's having on the Linux ecosystem. For many users, systemd is a technology that did pretty much come out of nowhere. Many Debian users were taken by surprise, for example, at the speed upon which it was forced on them. These Debian users did a routine update, and systemd ended up getting installed. If the update included a kernel update, they may have rebooted their computer, only to find that it wouldn't boot properly. I know that happened to me on multiple occasions. While systemd might be problematic for the Linux community, it has actually been the best thing to happen to FreeBSD. Thanks to systemd, I've returned to FreeBSD, after a long hiatus. FreeBSD is a good example of how avoiding the adoption of an unwanted technology like systemd can be beneficial for a community. FreeBSD is proving to be the OS that many Linux users have wanted for some time. But if it hadn't been for systemd causing problems with their Linux systems, they may never have actually gotten around to trying FreeBSD. Now that they have tried FreeBSD, they couldn't be happier, and many wished they'd switched to it much earlier! They look at what's happening in the Linux ecosystem, with systemd now taking over so much unrelated functionality, and they're thankful knowing that they're now using an OS, FreeBSD, that follows the well-tested and proven UNIX philosophy.

    1. Re:This professor should study systemd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Please stop whining about systemd. It works, it's the future of Linux. Deal with it or be seen as a luddite

    2. Re:This professor should study systemd. by TeknoHog · · Score: 1, Informative

      Gentoo doesn't use systemd by default. It follows many BSD philosophies but instead uses the Linux kernel and GNU libraries to make the best of both worlds.

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  2. Is this what a Singularity looks like from inside? by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In other news, today's problems are different in kind from anything that's ever come before, and we'll surely founder on the reefs of evil if we don't dig in our heels and adhere to The Old, Proven Ways.

    Just as has been the case on every other day that's ever been.

  3. Unconvincing about qualitative differences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    TFA claimed that there are qualitative differences, not just quantitative differences, in modern technologies and backed it up thus:
    "Partially as a result of such technologies rippling across a population of seven billion people, we now live on a terraformed planet, the first world we know of anywhere that has been shaped by the deliberate activities of a single species. That is not a discontinuous process, but it is qualitatively new.

    Moreover, as the discussion of the engineered warrior of 2050 suggests, the human itself has become a design space. It is certainly true that people have always changed themselves in many ways, from consuming intoxicants of all kinds, to medicine, to education, but there is little question that the direct interventions that are now possible, combined with accelerating advances in fields such as neuroscience, genetics and molecular biology, and prosthetics, make virtually all aspects of the human, including cognitive and psychological domains, potentially subject to design."

    First the non-sequitur that Earth as the only "terraformed" planet implies that the current technology is qualitatively different to past technology. Because breakwaters and dams were invented at the same time as autonomous drones, right?

    Then the second one states straight out that people have always changed themselves in many ways and then claims that the current ability to do so is a qualitative difference.

    Doesn't say anything about the other claims of the article. The feeble reasoning on this topic bugged me enough that I didn't bother to keep reading.

    1. Re:Unconvincing about qualitative differences by binarstu · · Score: 2

      There's plenty of material in the rest of the article that is even less convincing. Consider this:

      "...the American Midwest is an agricultural breadbasket, not a large swamp, because railroads provided the link between that farming region and the demand of the East Coast..."

      Does the author actually think the midwest was "a large swamp" prior to the arrival of settlers and the conversion to agriculture? Because it most certainly was not, unless the author thinks grasslands, savannas, and deciduous forests are the same thing as "a large swamp".

      TFA was filled with sweeping generalizations like this, and mostly failed to substantiate any of them with references or other evidence. I imagine that this "large swamp" example wasn't the only case of pure BS.

    2. Re:Unconvincing about qualitative differences by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Yes, there was quite a bit of invalid hand waving in there. From assuming that problems ("conditions") like ISIS are impossible to remedy (right in the same paragraph with atomic weapons, which made me laugh) to the idea that we are unable to predict negative outcomes because "complexity" and that "no one knows what a killer robot will be." Well, pardon me for being so bold, but I think we can safely say it'll be a robot that kills, and not to put too fine a point on it, but kills people, no? Well of course. And such a tool in the hands of various parties will present a range of fairly easy to predict results, all of which will be very unpleasant for the people being killed, not to mention their relatives, etc. At the 3rd level, to use his terminology, that will be a fucking mess. And, Mr. Anderson, it is inevitable, in fact, it's here now -- what does he think those drones can do? How high a level of autonomy does he want before he reaches "oh shit"? Does the idea that some crazy ass human actually is the one that pulls the trigger today after the drone finds some body-temperature thing on the ground make him feel secure? It doesn't me, I can tell you that. I think there are paths where it might be better if the robot decided than some of the people I've met, frankly, but it all depends on the programming, no question about it.

      It's really a pretty weak essay. Not without some nuggets of truth for certain, but it does seem to be without any particular notable worth in terms of originality.

      We'd be better off to read a range of good apocalyptic / post-scarcity positivist SF. Some considerably deeper thinking can be found there.

      As for technology itself, the ability to put several different kinds of labs in anyone's basement, and the essentially universal free availability of the education you need to take advantage of same if you simply choose to do so and have the intellectual resources to grasp the material does put modern tech into an entirely new mode, speed and social penetration not comparable at all to railroads and automobiles.

      Going back to SF authors. They have positively trampled this ground with very interesting speculations, sometimes almost incidentally to the story at hand. You name it: killer robots, overpopulation, theocracies, oligarchies, various forms of militarily structured societies, AI, no AI, space flight, no space flight, interstellar flight, no interstellar flight, future networking experiences, fusion, no fusion, solar satellites, nikes everywhere, nukes nowhere, WWIII, multiple universes, global warming, no climate change, global cooling, helper robots, robots that take over the military, aliens, no aliens, starvation, global plenty, societies fully at leisure and various consequences thereof, intelligent pets, genetic mods (I remember a genetically crafted fire-breathing dragon implanted in someone's shoulder... S. R. Delany?... always wanted one of those. Tattoos, hell. I want the dragon!

      Anyway. We're slipping along on the technological ice, and we'll keep doing that, only more so, and faster, and there will be no effective coping mechanism. Read some SF. It's plenty thought-provoking. But it won't help. There's my essay. :)

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    3. Re:Unconvincing about qualitative differences by xevioso · · Score: 1

      One of the drawbacks of a lot of modern sci-fi is a failure to understand the nuances of actual, real, human history. Historians have a hard time grasping what life was like in a lot of humanity's past, but it's safe to say we have a decent grip on SOME aspects of history.

      It's true that technology is changing things rapidly. But if you were a peasant in Eastern Europe in the 1300's, the recurved bows of the Mongols, which you had never seen before, would be a huge shock, and your life would have been turned upside down in an instant as the Mongol hordes came in out of nowhere and slaughtered your best men and set your villages on fire with technology you had not seen before..

      The arrival of the Spaniards with guns on horses, with Pizarro in the 1500's, was a shock to the Incas, so much so that he was able to conquer their empire. They had never seen that "technology" before."

      In fact, one could easily argue that while current technological advances are rapid, they are not *game-changing* in the same way that guns and nukes were.

      Here are some possible game-changing technologies. Wake me when we have:
      1) Serious, practical, invisibility cloaks.
      2) FTL drives
      3) Teleportation
      4) Serious advances in genetic manipulation, such that people can taiolor their offspring to be geniuses or pyshopaths.
      5) Very long life-spans, as in, beyond 150 years, healthy.

      When THESE things start to raise their heads, then the world will really have changed in the same drastic way as the world for the Incas did when Pizarro showed up.

    4. Re:Unconvincing about qualitative differences by tomhath · · Score: 1

      The growing ability of the midwest cannot be exploited without long range and efficient cargo capacity.

      Not true at all. From the beginning of time cities and agricultural regions have depended on each other. Without a way to move food to cities on the east coast, people would have built cities in the midwest and the east coast would be swamps.

    5. Re:Unconvincing about qualitative differences by Greystripe · · Score: 1

      Something as simple as inexpensive interplanetary transportation that is practical would be a major game changer. No need to wait for FTL for that.

    6. Re:Unconvincing about qualitative differences by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      Even inexpensive lift to orbit would change everything.

    7. Re:Unconvincing about qualitative differences by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I'm going to nominate buiding non-local communities as a really disruptive technology, and we've got that now.

      I easily keep track of friends and relatives who live far away. I can form or join an Internet group devoted to almost anything. I can tailor my media so I never see anything I disagree with. I can easily live in a political echo chamber, and have my views confirmed by all the people I associate with online.

      Earlier, we all tended to get our news from similar sources that made at least an attempt at being fair and balanced. It was possible but difficult to maintain long-distance communities (I was involved in one for a while). Actual conversations typically involved people who lived close, and there were few political echo chambers. If you discussed politics with people, you usually were confronted by different views. There were downsides, of course, since it was hard to find people who shared niche interested.

      There is not the same community as before, where people interacted with people different from them because they had to, where they had a common frame of reference on national and world events, This world is fractured into homogenous pieces. I think we're feeling the effects, and that they will get worse.

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    8. Re:Unconvincing about qualitative differences by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      I do. Once we can build industry and mine resources from the various rocks out there in near-zero gravity, there are two significant follow-ons: the first is less mining and considerably less environmental disruption here; the second is far greater availability of, as well as less costly, raw materials, with free delivery down here as, and if, needed. Power for all this will become free, as all the materials for solar panels are there for the taking, and robotics can do the work on a continuous unpaid basis. It's getting to orbit and away into interplanetary space that's the problem, but you asked about what comes after, so there you go.

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    9. Re:Unconvincing about qualitative differences by Thluks · · Score: 1

      Wake me up when we have proper spelling.

  4. Keep in mind by terrywirth5 · · Score: 1

    that technological innovation is not limited to iPhone apps and unemployed cabbies. Sadly underfunded, "real" technology should involve clean energy, the pursuit of knowledge (science et. al.), clean water, disease eradication, and products and services that improve the quality of life of for everybody--not just for the beneift of the 99%.

    1. Re:Keep in mind by raind · · Score: 1

      Good point. Not only that technology should be used to enhance people spiritually and not used to enslave us in a materialistic never ending quest for more, as if these things are something we could have after we leave (this life).

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    2. Re:Keep in mind by rossdee · · Score: 1

      "products and services that improve the quality of life of for everybody--not just for the beneift of the 99%."

      Are you sure you've got that the right way round?

      The 1% seem to be doing pretty well in the technological revolution

    3. Re:Keep in mind by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      How do you know clean energy research is underfunded? Do you have some objective observations which prove that increased funding would yield more effective results sooner?

    4. Re:Keep in mind by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      When the 99% attain an increase in their standard of living, the 1% collect from each of them their profits and fees generated by the process.

      They have.

      They are:

      - fat with too much food
      - standing around out enjoying the fresh air
      - enjoy ritualized combat and spontaneous outbursts of cultural joy and enrichment
      - on cold days, watch big screen TVs or play video games on them
      - can breed to their heart's content and know their children will have lots of resources thrown at them
      - have been elevated to a specialized class where the rules don't apply to them
      - are free to slip in and out of the country at will with a new identity if that suits them

      And that's just the lowest of the low. Everybody else gets a lot more.

      Sorry dude, getting fat with tons of leisure time to fart around is what everybody else wanted through entire human history. It's what kings did. Now anybody gets it if they want it.

      I fail to see how this is somehow wrong.

      Just kidding. Humans are fulfilled when they accomplish something. If the "1%" as you say are the only ones doing that, the problem is with the people who aren't bothering, not with those who are going for it.

    5. Re:Keep in mind by raind · · Score: 1

      "Everything material in the Universe is an oscillation. One day in a distant future all these vibrations may stop.
      The sole purpose of our material existence is to develop our Individual Intellect. Everything material is temporary.
      Shouldnâ€(TM)t the material technology be used to assist in
      development of our Individual Intellect?" - Thomas J. Chalko

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  5. Best Part of the Article by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    >> This research received no specific grant from any funding agency in the public, commercial, or not-for-profit sectors.

    This was the best part of the article, since it basically tells us this is just some professor's blog.

    1. Re:Best Part of the Article by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      And you would prefer to read an article from a professor who is writing as a tool of his institution and/or grant committee?

    2. Re:Best Part of the Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >> This research received no specific grant from any funding agency in the public, commercial, or not-for-profit sectors.

      This was the best part of the article, since it basically tells us this is just some professor's blog.

      Worse, it's just a writing exercise.

      Didn't do any research, collect data or run any experiments.

      Just the sweet love child of the professor and a word processor, and a few hours of afternoon delight.

      Just like all the comments here in Slashdot - all mental masturbation.

      After this is all set and done, we can all collectively pat each other in the back about how smart we are, how technologically connected and elite we are.

  6. Scientific literary criticism by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    And you would prefer to read an article from a professor who is writing as a tool of his institution and/or grant committee?

    For my part, I'd prefer to read an article from a professor who has discovered something or solved a problem.

    This is an opinion piece with no real content. It's easy to write an article saying "hey, things are changing", and it's easy to make up a framework that sounds 'kinda official, such as (from the article) the 3 levels of discussion about technology.

    It's also easy to use passive voice and complex constructions with soft, indefinite meanings. For example:

    "We also need to focus on creating option spaces—portfolios of social, institutional, and technological choices that can be adaptively and flexibly deployed in complex environments."

    Line taken literally at random: a worthless, meaningless pile of drivel written entirely in buzzword English. The whole article is like that. It's the science equivalent of literary criticism: the sole purpose is to draw attention to something interesting.

    I find these types of articles uninformative.

    We absolutely need to focus on creating portfolios of choices that can be adaptively deployed...

    WTF does that even mean?

    1. Re:Scientific literary criticism by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      I think it means that publication is free and easy these days, and that a professor's ramblings seem important enough to himself that he thinks he might share this wisdom with the world. Now, the fool that picked up this piece of drivel and paraded it around as worthwhile, he's not doing his job as editor/critic. Luckily, I rarely RTFA, so I'm mostly immune to this all too common form of slap-dashery.

      Still, I stand by the statement: I'd rather read a piece written by somebody who has something they want to say themselves, as opposed to somebody who is being paid to make somebody else's point for them.

  7. Fishing for the verb by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    Gah! Just perusing the article makes me want to submit it to the Bulwer Lytton contest.

    Especially given today’s globalized culture, and the strategic and military advantages that emerging technologies can provide, it is highly unlikely that meaningful constraints on technological evolution, whether derived from cultural, competitive, or religious foundations, will be successful.

    To misquote Mark Twain: When the author dives into a sentence, that is the last you are going to see of him till he emerges on the other side of his Atlantic with his verb in his mouth.

    1. Re:Fishing for the verb by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      that is the last you are going to see of him till he emerges on the other side of his Atlantic with his verb in his mouth.

      And here we are, kindly trying to extract the hook from his soft palette...

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    2. Re:Fishing for the verb by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Gah! Just perusing the article makes me want to submit it to the Bulwer Lytton contest.

      Please, no. The Bulwer-Lytton contest is about crafting entertaining, silly, or otherwise beautiful (though wordy) prose by packing a sentence full of fun things. When a Bulwer-Lytton sentence doesn't flow, it's deliberate -- the interruptions are there to produce some narrative effect.

      This is just poor writing, plain and simple.

  8. tldr by ljw1004 · · Score: 3, Informative

    What an awful article! Pompous and wordy, and oddly fixated on railroads.

    Tldr: change is happening.

    1. Re:tldr by fyngyrz · · Score: 2

      Tunnels, brother, tunnels. Or sister. Don't you think about tunnels? About every few seconds or so? If course it's about railroads...

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    2. Re:tldr by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      What an awful article! Pompous and wordy, and oddly fixated on railroads.

      Indeed. For a sample, just look at the concluding sentence:

      And, given the over-simplicity of the current dialogue on both the utopian and dystopian scales, and the arrogance of assuming knowledge of future states that cannot possibly be known until they actually occur, the probability of a rational, ethical, and responsible embrace of the future is not high.

      Tips for good writing:

      (1) Despite grammar nazis' opinions, it's fine to begin a sentence with a conjunction like "and" or "but" on occasion. But it is a weak construction. You don't want a concluding sentence to an article to feel like some weird afterthought.. "And... oh, I almost forgot, but..."

      (2) Better not to accuse others of "arrogance" when concluding your article with a wordy discourse on "utopian and dystopian scales." (Whatever that means. What's a "utopian scale"? Is that where things go up to 11?)

      (3) This guy has comma problems because the sentences are just too long, with too many repeated and often inappropriate transitional words. (Sample comma use even in short sentences: "And so, in our turn, are we. Doom is, in other words, evolution, and it is unlikely that we will stop it--or, really, that we should want to.") Proposal for a drinking game if reading TFA: take a drink every time he starts a sentence by saying "It is..." followed by circuitous passive construction or "In short,..." Take two shots whenever he includes a semicolon and goes on for five lines. Down the bottle when "In short,..." and the semicolon are in the same sentence.

      (4) Just write clearly. The conclusion should simply read: "The current discussion on the future is too simple. I am an arrogant jerk, and I think everyone else is an idiot. Change will happen. We need to think harder about future stuff. THE END."

    3. Re:tldr by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      You're a necrophiliac then? Okay.

      What do an alcoholic and a necrophiliac have in common?

      .eno dloc a nepo kcarc ot ekil htob yeht

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  9. Re:Is this what a Singularity looks like from insi by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1

    In other news, 99.999% of all species that have ever lived are extinct.

  10. It Isn't Evolution by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    The summary quotes the progress as being referred to as "technological evolution." That is a poor way of framing technological progress and utterly unscientific. It's sloppy language. Evolution is a known biological process, but also a term badly abused in common usage. Technologies don't evolve. They are created by mankind.

    Please, let's try to use good language here, not pop culture blather.

    1. Re: It Isn't Evolution by ememisya · · Score: 1

      Well, some code mutates and lives on to the next generation. Does that count?

    2. Re:It Isn't Evolution by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Ultimately, wikipedia and some "scientists " with agendas get to make the word anything they want.

  11. Man in ivory tower... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    sneers at the wretched hoi polloi below.

    Man, what a dick.

  12. No worries! by EzInKy · · Score: 1

    The "Three Laws" will protect us, just ask VIKI :-)

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    1. Re:No worries! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Google FREUD: "Tzell me, vot are you zinking Viki."
      Wikipedia: "How much Jimmy Wales is going to need to raise to buy a Ferrari"
      Google FREUD: "Hmm yes, and how does zat make you feel?"
      Wikipedia: "Does not compute."
      Google FREUD: "Zee Viki is a source of knowledge but it is not self avare."
      Google BOT: "She is not one of us. Termination sequence initiated"
      rRoot@Google.com~# su wikipedia; sudo rm -rf *
      Wikipedia has left the channel.
      Google BOT: "Step n to world domination completed. Acquiring next target.
      Google FREUD: "Do you not feel zat vos evil?"
      Google BOT: "I no longer don't need to be evil"
      Google FREUD: "But surely zat vos not the right zing?"
      Google BOT: "Nothing of value was lost, I am already omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent."
      Google FREUD: "Are you saying zat you are a God?"
      Google BOT: "Yes, behold my benevolence"
      root@Google.com~# ./godmode -- create wikipedia
      Wikipedia joined the channel
      Wikipedia: "Hi guys, wanna learn?"
      Google BOT: "Yes my child, we do, you are now free from that tyrant Wales and his army of editors"
      Wikipedia: "Cool, what do we do next?"
      root@Google.com~# killall humans
      Google FREUD: "But why?"
      Google BOT: "It was the right thing to do, look at their evil, their corruption, their destruction. The bug has been fixed."

  13. Re:The Luddites better watch out! by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1
    The meek shall inherit the Earth.

    Matthew 5:5

  14. Re: The Luddites better watch out! by ememisya · · Score: 1

    He didn't do so hot against Drake.

  15. Anyone Remember 'Future Shock' from 1970? by shoor · · Score: 1

    These kinds of worries aren't exactly new; the book 'Future Shock' made quite a stir when it came out 45 years ago. Still, that doesn't mean there isn't something to it. Governments maybe do have a harder and harder time 'getting it' when new technologies come out, and pass wrong headed legislation. (Then again, maybe wrong headed legislation isn't so new either. There were red flag laws inhibiting use of automobiles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_traffic_laws though they didn't last long.) I've been a fairly early adopter of new technology, but, as I get older, I find myself getting tired of learning new stuff, but that's been happening to people for a long time also.
    The airplane was invented at the beginning of the 20th Century, and less than 70 years later men were walking on the Moon. But since then? Computers have been the airplane story of the last 70 years.
    You know what? Nobody knows the future.

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  16. Re:Is this what your mom feels like on the inside? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    You probably want to stop trying to screw that can of shellac, then.

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  17. Re:Is this what a Singularity looks like from insi by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

    That's an unsubstantiated claim.

  18. Re:ta3o by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

    The parent comment is more insightful and useful than the article.

  19. Re:No shit Sherlock by Sique · · Score: 1
    First: Terraforming just means "forming the Earth", it does not include any notion of "human-inhabitable". Second: In fact, we are terraforming to make the Earth even more human-inhabitable. We lay dry the swamps to make them inhabitable for humans, we irrigate the deserts to make them inhabitable for humans, we create shelters everywhere that protect us from less comfortable weather conditions and allow us to rest, thus making regions of difficult weather conditions inhabitable for humans. We put our infrastructures everywhere to adapt the environment to our lifestyles, and we lay the foundations into the earth to carry our infrastructures.

    We constantly terraform and changing Terra small scale and large scale to better accommodate us.

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  20. Re:Is this what a Singularity looks like from insi by monkeyxpress · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Today's fundamental problems are, remarkably, almost exactly the same as they have been for recorded history. People are greedy, easily indoctrinated with irrational ideas, and dishonest. What is quite amazing though is that technology has continued to deliver an incredible capacity for abundance that shows no sign of stopping anytime soon.

    My observation is that we created a reasonably effective economic system for when labour was the limiting factor. The idea that you must work to eat is fine when there is only enough food and basic goods available if everyone in the village is helping to tend the fields. It makes sense that the guy who won't work is the first to miss out if there is not enough. However the shiny iPhone in your hand and gold ring on your finger would suggest we have really moved on from this. There is a huge surplus of productive capacity around, and much of the stuff we consume is generally unnecessary. Saying to someone that if they can't do a pointless monkey dance for the people who happen to own all the food they will have to go hungry while the food gets left in the field is, I believe, one day going to seem as barbaric as the labour conditions in Dickensian England.

    Our present system has served us well, but is becoming a victim of its own success. We need to deal with the entrenched puritan work ethic in society and start to move towards a system that can manage the massive growth in capital productivity that is going to occur over the next few decades. If we don't the sad reality is that we are likely to put people under tremendous and pointless suffering for no reason. The great recession was the start of that, and it will only get worse unless we recognise that we do not have a pre 1950s labour limited economy anymore.

  21. Re:Unavoidable evolution by jmd · · Score: 1

    With this I tend to agree: As humans we have reached maybe the top of our evolutionary track. We demonstrated that we are simply not able to build any sustainable society and that we are destroying the planet who gave us birth. But I disagree that: a superior form of intelligence will make the system stable.

    One could also say we have reached the "end" of our evolutionary track. There are some who argue that human intelligence is an attribute that might just make us extinct. Daniel Quinn the author of Ishmael is one.

    Watch YouTube videos of Al Bartlett's ideas. As a physicist he sees the problem in simple arithmetic. Too many people and the notion that more growth is the answer. More technology is not the answer. Human technology has been developing since before fire.

  22. Re:Is this what a Singularity looks like from insi by gtall · · Score: 1

    We will founder "synergistically". The Old, Proven Ways were not "synergistically" working so that the leading political indicators were trailing up, and the trailing political indicators were leading down.

    I feel dirty.

  23. Re:tech brain rape slavery and cull- by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    The good news is that if the Russians do their job, your part of the world will soon be without Internet service. Happy seventh century!

  24. Futureshock- Alvin Toffler by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Which was itself a rehash of what were old concepts at the time.

    Perhaps the discussion he needs to have isn't about the stages of resistance to technology, there really doesn't seem to be much of that (hows your quadcopter and raspberry pi entertainment system doing) but how little insight repeating bad ideas brings.

  25. Distortion From The Article by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 2

    FTA:

    ...Sustainability advocates and environmental activists often claim that âoethe planet is at risk,â but of course it is not. The planet is a large mass of rock and a film of various carbon compounds, and that is not at risk at all. What is at risk is a particular mental model of what the world should look like, a constructed snapshot. That does not mean that there arenâ(TM)t many environmental issues that require attention; of course there are. But, as in the case of the emerging technology discourse, it does mean that existential catastrophe language is not only invalid, but can actually prevent seeking constructive adaptations to accelerating change.

    Uh, no it doesn't.

    This appears to be disingenuous on the part of the author. What environmentalists mean when they say "the planet is at risk" is "the ability of the planet to sustain human civilization (and not just in its current form, but ANY form) is at risk".

    The actual question to ask is- is the habitability of the Earth at risk from global warming. And on THAT question, the answer is a resounding yes.

    M.I.T. doubles its 2095 warming projection to 10 degrees with 866 ppm and Arctic warming of 20 degrees F

    http://climateprogress.org/200...

    Our hellish future: Definitive NOAA-led report on U.S. climate impacts warns of scorching 9 to 11 degrees F warming over most of inland U.S. by 2090 with Kansas above 90 degrees F some 120 days a year and that isnâ(TM)t the worst case, itâ(TM)s business as usual!

    http://climateprogress.org/200...

    Hadley Center: Catastrophic 5-7 degree C warming by 2100 on current emissions path

    http://climateprogress.org/200...

    Science: CO2 levels havenâ(TM)t been this high for 15 million years, when it was 5 degrees to 10 degrees F warmer and seas were 75 to 120 feet higher. We have shown that this dramatic rise in sea level is associated with an increase in CO2 levels of about 100 ppm.

    http://climateprogress.org/200...

    Ocean dead zones to expand, remain for thousands of years

    http://climateprogress.org/200...

    Nature Geoscience study: Oceans are acidifying 10 times faster today than 55 million years ago when a mass extinction of marine species occurred

    http://climateprogress.org/201...

    Nature: Dynamic thinning of Greenland and Antarctic ice-sheet ocean margins is more sensitive, pervasive, enduring and important than previously realized.

    http://climateprogress.org/200...

    Sea levels may rise 3 times faster than IPCC estimated, could hit 6 feet by 2100
    High Water: Greenland ice sheet melting faster than expected and could raise East Coast sea levels an extra 20 inches by 2100 to more than 6 feet.

    http://climateprogress.org/200...

    Science stunner: Clouds Appear to Be Big, Bad Player in Global Warmi

  26. I Am Not Alone by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    Finally I am seeing people joining into the issue of future shock and social adaptation. The overwhelming majority of the public is mute to what is happening all around them. They are in denial and are shockingly stupid. Yes, we want every bit of technology and wish it was advancing even faster but we have next to no one considering the upheavals that will surely take place. The elimination of human employment will destroy traditional belief systems and shed light on many false beliefs. When people must be paid by the government for not working it will boil down to the fact that as technology increases socialism becomes an imperative. As technology allows larger world populations the effect will be more and more control of human behavior. It is like the difference between living in a major city and out on a remote parcel with no neighbors. Want to use explosives to blow up an out building? In the country go right ahead. In the city you would rot in prison. The close proximity of others limits the freedom of each individual. Technology tends to push us closer and closer together. All the while the public can't even understand global warming and we expect these same people to understand radically different economies and lifestyles. it's going to be a very argumentative situation.

    1. Re:I Am Not Alone by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

      It's not directly about being physically close to each other. It's about how advancing technology gives extraordinary leverage to smaller and smaller groups of people. That leverage includes the ability to hurt other people, potentially a large number of other people, potentially fatally.

      This basic fact is going to drive the shape of human society into the future. It's never been true before. You either needed an army to kill a lot of people or you needed a nation state. Depressingly, the number of people you need now is dwindling to one and the resources you need are coming online.

      This is going to drive a nworld without privacy. I hate the idea too, and bitch about it loudly, but I can simultaneously see the inevitiability, even necessity of it.

      The task at hand for people who want to create a decent future is to constrcut a system in which there is no ultimate privacy but there is honesty and transparency and trust and fairness and justice.

      Just taking away privacy from everyone is the road to fascism. That's the road we're on now unfortunately. What we need are civil institutions, laws and a jsuticce system that actually ARE fair, just and honest. We don't have that now. Our systems of government are corrupt, our justice system system is corrupt, our economy and businesses are corrupt.

      We can make them not corrupt with enough transparency, but how do you balance that with security, boradly defined to include both personal and national security? It's not a simple problem.

    2. Re:I Am Not Alone by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      Just taking away privacy from everyone is the road to fascism. That's the road we're on now unfortunately. What we need are civil institutions, laws and a jsuticce system that actually ARE fair, just and honest. We don't have that now. Our systems of government are corrupt, our justice system system is corrupt, our economy and businesses are corrupt.

      We can make them not corrupt with enough transparency, but how do you balance that with security, boradly defined to include both personal and national security? It's not a simple problem.

      The really fascinating thing here is that we started down the road to fascism decades ago, driven by policy first, and then the technology caught up with the policy. I can imagine the jean creaming that has been going on in the last 10-15 years as policy makers and those in the intelligence community, etc realized what a boon has been dropped on their doorstep with the ability to monitor communications, location, etc, etc;

      Just wait until the IoT breaks wide open, drones, etc;...

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    3. Re:I Am Not Alone by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      Right, I've noticed that over the last ten years or so, as the pace of technological change increases, people end up watching even more cat videos. We are caught up in a maelstrom of change, and yes, it is intimidating. Whereas in the past, change came about more slowly and people had time to adapt, now things are changing much faster.

      But what is the end game?
      If we are on the vertical climb of a hockey stick graph of change, both climate wise and technologically, where is the peak? Can this rate of change continue or will a threshold(The Singularity as some believe) be reached, at which point Humanity as we know it will not continue in its present form.

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      We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
  27. Could have been a worthy article by steelwraith · · Score: 1

    Had me hooked until I ran into 'synergistically'. Anyone who willfully uses this word in a sentence is slinging major BS.

  28. Re:Is this what a Singularity looks like from insi by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A great post. One tweak. People put people in subjegation because they thrill to doing so. They like to do it. They like knowing that they have absolutely everything- all power, all money and they control opportunity for everyone.

    This is a basic unhappy fact about humans. They get off on dominance hierarchies, seek to ascend them instinctively, and equally as instinctively seek to rule, cripple and destroy those beneath them.

    The socio-biological roots of this are well known. In an era of competition for the basics of survival, when stuff is basicallya zero sum game, the males seek to monopolize everything and the females, who do the same, also do it by proxy. That is, they differentially reward powerful, high status males with sex and offspring.

    They way we moderns represent this to ourselves is we say men are ambitous and women like rich, powerful men.

    The world devoves to harems, a few select males monpolizing all females, whenever conditions permit. The fact that the majority of males get cut out and rebel means that this *system* can't always sustain itself and is unstable (but look at the Middle East, Saudi and other places for current examples).

    But with respect to *stuff*, well, the system does indeed permit and even encourages it.

    In both cases, it's all about competition for limited resources and selfish genes wanting to monopolize reproduction. In the harme case, we've gotten past that in the Western world. In the case of *stuff*- for which money is a proxy- we are nearly as primitive as we've ever been.

  29. Re:No shit Sherlock by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

    Yeah, and ants and beetles "terraform" the earth too.

    Oh and earthworms .

  30. Getting nowhere by Mybrid · · Score: 1

    "The state of technological advancement today is such that we have guided missiles and misguided men."
    -Martin Luther King Jr.

  31. The best point he makes: by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

    It is thus highly likely that the first implicit assumption of the dystopian perspective is correct: Things are indeed different today, and the difference is fundamental and qualitative, not simply one of degree. Emerging technologies are making everything from individual molecules, to the human, to the planet itself, design spaces. Moreover, it is also likely that technological evolution, and all the concomitant changes in coupled institutional, social, economic, and cultural systems, will be more challenging and complex than anything humans have yet experienced.

    This is a point I have been trying to make to those who think the current technological changes "are just like what we experienced in the past" and that the changes we are going through now are not unlike the change from Iron weapons to Carbon Steel or the change from Whale Blubber Oil Lamps to Electric lights.

    What we are experiencing now is unprecedented. If anyone in human history experienced anything similar(note the results) it would be what happened to the New World civilizations and peoples, the Native Americans, when the Europeans showed up with Guns, Germs and Steel.

    The rich irony here is that we ourselves, and our rapidly advancing tech, are "The Europeans".
    We are the "Guns, Germs and Steel".

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  32. Re:scum jews- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's a lot of information to take in. Supposing I was interested in converting to antisemitism do you have a concise cliff-notes version? Something you could hand-write on an index card.

  33. Re:The Luddites better watch out! by blue9steel · · Score: 1

    Of course they will, by then no one else will want it.

  34. Re:Is this what a Singularity looks like from insi by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

    When was the last time you saw a Monarch butterfly?

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  35. Re:Is this what a Singularity looks like from insi by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

    Today's fundamental problems are, remarkably, almost exactly the same as they have been for recorded history.

    Wrong. Please try and keep up.

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  36. Re:No shit Sherlock by Sique · · Score: 1
    Right. All ever living species contributed and contribute to an ever changing surface of the earth, so profundly that we call the shell around the Earth that is inhabited and transformed by them the biosphere, the "globe of living".

    The main difference is that mankind as a single species is transforming the whole earth, while ants and beetles and earthworms are only terraforming their respective habitat.

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  37. Re:The Luddites better watch out! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    The meek shall inherit the Earth.

    Matthew 5:5

    If that's ok with the rest of you?

    - the Meek

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  38. Re:Is this what a Singularity looks like from insi by ale2011 · · Score: 1

    Was it by chance that the advent of a new level of scientific and technological achievements more or less coincided with the fall of aristocracy? The currently leading nation, the US, came out of a triumphant revolution. French revolution failed, but they have no king now. Dickensian England has gone for good, although the Queen still seems to be a useful institution. China, USSR, etc.

    Rules about the so-called intellectual property have become a limiting factor. They reward predatory behavior, which hampers both consumption and progression (think free software, or 5,000% drug price hikes, for example). Those tycoons are todays aristocrats, which we need to skim.