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When Slide Rules Were Like Cellphones (hackaday.com)

szczys writes: Slide Rules and Pocket Protectors are the go-to items when making fun of old-time geeks. Forget the pocket protectors. Slide Rules were the first personal computers and a status symbol akin to what cellphones are today. Of course the general public wasn't attached to them, but engineers were. Before electronic calculators came around, everyone who needed to do some serious math owned Slide Rules. Stunningly easy to use and extremely effective, they have tick-marks placed on a logarithmic scale which makes complex multiplication, division, powers, etc. into visual calculations instead of mental ones.

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  1. Still got mine. by ugliness · · Score: 2

    Didn't have calculators when I was finished high school (year 12).

    Still in it's plastic cover with the manual.

    Drag it out now and again just for a laugh.

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    1. Re: Still got mine. by t1oracle · · Score: 2

      Year 12? And here I am thinking I'm old coming from the high school class of 2001...

    2. Re:Still got mine. by KGIII · · Score: 2

      You'll pry my slipstick from my cold, dead, hands!!!

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  2. hence the old joke... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    (Disclaimer: I used a slide rule in high school in the 1970's, and we actually had a section of a class in how to do so)

    Person A: "What's 2 times 2?"
    Person B: "Let me check my slide rule, one sec... OK, looks like around 3.96."

    1. Re:hence the old joke... by hajile · · Score: 5, Insightful

      New joke

      Person A: "What's 0.1 + 0.2?"
      Person B: "Let me check my computer, one sec... OK, looks like around 0.30000000000000004."

    2. Re:hence the old joke... by EETech1 · · Score: 2

      Welcome to the secret robot internet!

    3. Re:hence the old joke... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      10.0 times 0.1 is hardly ever 1.0.
      -- Kernighan and Plauger, The Elements of Programming Style

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    4. Re:hence the old joke... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Informative

      I know it's a joke, but I actually read the article and used the online web simulator to work though the example problem that the article suggested. It was a very simple problem... What is 2 times 3. Obviously, any grade schooler can tell you the answer is 6, but using the slide rule as accurately as possible, I came up with 5.5. If that's an example of the accuracy of a slide rule, then good riddance!

      I wouldn't say that's an example of the accuracy of a slide rule. Rather, I'd say it's an example of your lack of skill with one.

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    5. Re:hence the old joke... by Kinematics · · Score: 2

      The first three numbers on the bottom of the slide are 9, 1, and 1. The second one is really 1.1 (as you can guess from the progression up to another 9, and then 2), and if you line that one up you end up with 5.5, because the real "1" is down around 1.81 (so 3*1.81=5.43). You need to line the first 1 up with the 2. Then everything lines up perfectly.

      I had basically the same confusion the first time I tried. After figuring out which was correct, it was neat to see any multiple (eg: 1.5, 2, 3, etc) all giving perfect answers. No clue how to use the rest of it, though.

    6. Re:hence the old joke... by chipschap · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This reminds me of something said by a very wise Professor I had in grad school. I "go back a ways" and I was in grad school just as electronic hand held calculators were beginning to appear, and slide rules were in their last days.

      The Prof declared that the new calculators were an efficient way to calculate the wrong answer to a high degree of precision.

      In other words, whether calculator, slide rule, computer, or whatever device --- none of them substitute for knowledge and judgment.

  3. This is all well and good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    But how can we use slide rules to encourage women and minorities to join STEM fields?

  4. Cell phones today are a status symbol? by mark-t · · Score: 2

    Of what? Seriously... As ubiquitous as they are, they are about as much of a status symbol as shoes.

  5. 50 Shades of Slide Rule by smittyoneeach · · Score: 3, Funny

    Use it as a paddle?

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  6. Rocket scientist gave bad advice ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    An uncle was an honest-to-god rocket scientist. Things he built are sitting on the moon right now. When I was in elementary school he gave me a slide rule and told me I needed to learn how to use it. Pretty bad advice. :-) Within a couple of years, and before math classes could have used a slide rule, inexpensive 4 function electronic calculators arrived at the local department store. And each year's new offerings were much more capable.

    Decades later while cleaning up I found it and brought it to work to show my fellow geeks, software developers. The CEO was passing by my office and noticed the crowd, poked his head in to see what was going on. He ended up staying about 15 minutes alternating between the manual and slide rule to figure out how to do different calculations.

    Everyone was just so impressed with what a few sticks with tick marks painted on them could do. Hell, its how we built the machines that got us to the moon.

    1. Re:Rocket scientist gave bad advice ... by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      An uncle was an honest-to-god rocket scientist. Things he built are sitting on the moon right now. When I was in elementary school he gave me a slide rule and told me I needed to learn how to use it. Pretty bad advice. :-) Within a couple of years, and before math classes could have used a slide rule, inexpensive 4 function electronic calculators arrived at the local department store. And each year's new offerings were much more capable.

      This reminds me of my undergrad days. I am much younger than the slide-rule generation, but I had a physics professor (astrophysicist, so almost a rocket scientist) who grew up at the end of the slide-rule generation. Every week he'd have an extra "help session" during office hours. I didn't need the extra help, but I went anyway just to see the guy work -- it was a joy to see all the different ways he'd find solutions to problems. (And he always brought cookies.)

      Anyhow, what always amazed me was his mental math capabilities. We'd get to the end of a problem and have this big expression that would require 10 steps to calculate, and he'd usually be able to get 2 significant figures for the answer in his head by the time one of us could punch in the numbers on our calculator.

      One day he got talking about slide rules and how they worked; the next session he brought his, and he showed us how to use it. (Now he could get 3 sig figs in the same time it took us to do calculations on a calculator.)

      What he explained is that the slide rule really helped his mental math capabilities, too. Having a set of visual scales that show how various functions line up just automatically gave you a sense of how things worked proportionally. On an electronic calculator, you just type in "Sine" or "Tangent" or "cube root" or "Log" or whatever, and it seemingly spits out a random number. Everything on a slide rule scale is spaced out it relationship to the other scales. After you do thousands of calculations with the slide rule, you can begin to have a sense of roughly what the root of X or log of X or cos of X would be, because you could visualize roughly where it was on the scales.

      The other thing he emphasized is that with a slide rule you get a sense of magnitude, as well as not overestimating significant figures. With a calculator, if you accidentally typed in "362000000" in step 3 instead of "36200000," your answer would be off by an order of magnitude and it would be hard to spot the error. With a slide rule, all you'd see was "3.62" and the rest of the number was something you just needed to keep track of in terms of magnitude. It forced you to notice if your answer seemed off by a big factor.

      But it also caused to be conscious of how accurate your answer was. Most of our physics problems only had 2 or 3 sig figs (as in sufficient for most real-world situations), but you'd get students saying an answer was "36877204846 Joules" or whatever, even if everything after the first 3 digits was meaningless.

      People make jokes about slide rules where 2x2 = 3.96 or whatever. (Actually, you really couldn't make that error with a slide rule unless you were incompetent or the rule was poorly made.) But we could also make fun of people for taking a pocket calculator and coming up with a 10-digit meaningless answer from a few numbers with only 2 sig figs.

      I just always think back to that astrophysicist, who could get 2 sig figs in his head through estimation and techniques absorbed from a slide rule... by the time we'd be able to spit out of 10-digit meaningless answer from the calculator, he could usually estimate the 3rd digit... and that was actually meaningful. Back in the day, if you needed more precision than 3 digits, you DECIDED you needed it and got out the book of tables which could take you to 4 or 5 digits (sometimes more). (I also own one of those -- lots of fun with not only log tables, but tables for all sorts of functions.)

  7. We were the cusp generation by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It was in the late 1970s calculators made it big into top engineering schools in India, till then it was all slide rules. So my class was one of the early users of calculators. Most of our professors were from slide rule era. One prof in particular, Electrical Engineering 1, a 300 level course, used to bemoan the loss of slide rule.

    First some backgroung: Slide rules only give the characteristic of the answer not the mantissa. It is a fancy way of saying, it does not tell you where to place the decimal point. Thus often people fly through the slide rule all the way, without doing the decimal points for intermediate answers. Once you have the final answer, you eyeball the number, see which decimal point would be reasonable and jot it down. Saving valuable time not doing decimal work, during examn time.

    This was the point that prof made: He would set up the problems in such way the answer would be off by a factor of 10 on purpose. A 230 volt, 10 cm dia motor would come in at 75 watts. But people who don't do decimals would write down 750 watts because, that is the reasonable answer for such a machine. Thus he would know which students have a feel for the numbers and answers and who blindly follow the procedures and write down whatever answer comes out of the formula. His complaint was that he lost a valuable filtering tool to judge which students are worthy of being considered for RAships.

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  8. Jeppesen by Dantoo · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Jeppesen CR-3 Flight Computer is a circular slide rule that is still in use today. The circular slide rule has long been a tool of pilots, air traffic controllers and even bookmakers! It's not just science types that use slide rules.

    1. Re:Jeppesen by PPH · · Score: 2

      Also known among pilots as prayer wheels.

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  9. Asimov taught me by willoughby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I stole a copy of "Why a Slide Rule Works" from the high school library and was way ahead of my math class the following year on logarithms & exponents. Asimov was a pretty good teacher.

    I still have a Post VersaTrig around here somewhere...

  10. Yes, and no. They were nice. Let's not exaggerate. by dpbsmith · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are many examples of fine old technology that can be admired for the ingenuity that went into devising non-digital solutions, and that depended on being precisely made.

    Slide rules were nice. They were a working tool for just about a century, very roughly 1870 to 1970. There are always some virtues to old technology that are lost when it's supplanted by new--the discipline of keeping the characteristic in your head and never losing track of the order of magnitude, the freedom from the illusion of precision.

    They were only mildly status symbols, at least at MIT during the 1960s. There was a certain amount of discussion of the comparative merits of Keuffel & Esser (wood) versus Pickett & Eckel (aluminum), whether it was better to fold the scales at pi or at the square root of ten, and so forth. Plenty of people got by with cheap slide rules. I never heard of any cases of slide rules being stolen.

    Keeping them properly lubricated, keeping the scales aligned, keep everything tensioned just right so that the slide and the cursor would move easily when you slide them and then stay put when you stopped pushing was a bear. More than once, people were embarrassed when the slide would actually slip out of the slide rule and clatter on the floor.

    When I saw my first HP-35 pocket calculator, $295 IIRC, I said "There, at least, is something that I'd accept in place of a slide rule--if you promised me it would last for decades and never break.

    Yes, I feel some nostalgia for slide rules--but let's not exaggerate.

    Oh, by the way--that "2 x 2 is 3.96" joke above is wrong. On an exact answer like that, on a well-made slide rule if you put the index of the C scale over 2 on the D scale--and you can get it so that it looks perfect, and the eye has darn good vernier acuity--the 2 on the C scale will be perfectly aligned with the 4 on the D scale. You would read it as "4." You couldn't possibly read it as 3.96, 3.96 is two full scale divisions away from 4.

    The problem comes when the answer lies between two scale divisions. For example, 3.98 and 4.00 are two adjacent marks. You would be hard-pressed to tell whether an answer were, say, 3.99 or 3.993.

  11. Re:An excellent gadget by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    I stunk at any kinf of math before seeing a lside rule,

    And it would appear that I still stink at spelling.

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    The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  12. A funny story about a slide rule (IBM manager) by rlh100 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My father, Jack Harker, was a very senior manager at IBM. He was Director of the San Jose [IBM] Labs in the 70's and 80's. He was also one of the quiet giants of the disk drive industry convincing IBM upper management to develop thin film disk heads and the original Winchester technology.

    Jack loved to tell how in high level presentations when lots of figures and projections were being put up on the screen and the numbers didn't seem right, he would reach over and pull out his old 16" ivory K&E slide rule from his college days. The younger managers and engineers who had not seen him do this before would be flabbergasted, quite often offering to get him a calculator. He did this for two reasons. The first was to flummox the presenters and push them out of their comfort zone. The second was that he found a slide rule with its logarithmic scales was very useful for visually looking at growth projections. A quick look to see if the numbers actually made sense. Knowing my dad, I think the first reason was why he kept doing it. He enjoyed the looks of disbelief he got. Even more so after he quickly verified the numbers.

    I sure do miss him.

  13. The elegant simplicity of slide rules by steveha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What I find interesting is that it took a tremendously more advanced technology to render slide rules obsolete.

    To make a slide rule, you need to figure out logarithms, then make exact marks on wood or something.

    To make a modern calculator, you need to invent the microchip! You also need to invent a suitable display technology: light-emitting diodes or liquid crystal displays. We literally put a man on the moon before anyone was able to make a pocket calculator.

    I love reading old science fiction stories set in the far future, where in the year 3423 or whatever people are still using slide rules. I imagine in the year 3423 people will still be using chairs, and probably spoons won't be too different... and back when those old stories were being written, slide rules seemed like that kind of basic item that wouldn't be going away.

    P.S. Before the "pocket" calculator was invented, there were electronic desk calculators using Nixie tubes! Watch this video and think of how much labor it would be to assemble one of these. The soldering work alone guarantees that a typical college student could never afford one of these, but I'm sure NASA had calculators like this for engineers to use.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mig3TeKh0aU

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  14. More than logarithms by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    there were lots of possible slide bars. Ones for trigonometry, etc.. Most of the boeing planes up to the 747 were made by engineers who still used slide rules. Sure there were calculators and computing machines too, but slide rules were still in use by old timers.

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  15. Verniers by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The digital caliper replaced the analog caliper. I miss the vernier scale, a really clever invention to squeeze out one more digit of precision than one would think possible. I doubt most kids today have any idea what a vernier scale is. The differential micrometer is another very clever device which works like a mechanical version of the vernier. My guess someone thought of it after seeing a vernier scale.

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    1. Re:Verniers by by+(1706743) · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That was one of the first things I was taught in the machine shop class (took it a few years back). Indeed, pretty cute trick. Of course I generally use digital calipers...but I listen to music on a tube amp (ST-70), so it all evens out ;)

  16. engineering precision. by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Indeed, small difference of large numbers is only a problem for computers who brute force things. Quad precision is for wimps. Engineers had lots of tricks for re-writing equations so that the terms would naturally sum to a small number without large intermediates. I recall learning 4 different ways to write the quadratic formula that would avoid cases where b^2-4ac was the difference of large numbers or -b + sqrt(b^2-4ac) was the difference of large numbers. Since comuters I don't think I've ever seen that used. it's always coded with the textbook -b + sqrt(b^2-4ac). This is also why many eignenvalue algorithms give signular results in modern compuations. People don't spend the time to figure out how to avoid those precision level differences.

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  17. Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. by mcswell · · Score: 4, Funny

    Slide rules are indeed a very old technology. In fact, the underlying principle goes all the way back to Noah.

    After Noah got off the Ark, he sent the animals to go forth and multiply. And each month he went out to see how they were doing. As you might guess, after the first month or so there were baby rabbits, then baby cats and dogs soon after, and even a baby elephant after the first year. But month after month, Noah could find no baby snakes.

    Finally it dawned on him that the snakes were cold blooded, and needed to sun themselves in order to get active. But the wet ground, and the lack of trees, had been perfect for bushes, weeds, and all kinds of plants, and the snakes were getting shaded out as it were. So Noah went back to the Ark, collected some timbers he'd used to strengthen the decks, and used them to build a table. And sure enough, the next month there were baby snakes! (scroll down...)















    Which just shows to go, even an adder can multiply if you give him a log table.

  18. Why the hate for digital? by sjbe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have Starett analog caliper and micrometer, and another Starett analog caliper in metric. I HATE digital calipers.

    Other than the battery issue I don't really understand why you would dislike digital calipers. Our shop uses both analog and digital. The ONLY real advantage to analog is that you don't have to change batteries ever, which for some situations is nice. Otherwise the calibration procedures are the same and they work similarly effectively. Digital ones in my experience tend to be modestly easier to use but the difference is very minor outside of some specialty applications.

    If you get drawings in both metric and US customary like us, carrying two measuring devices quickly becomes tiresome. Digital can switch between with a press of a button which is nice. Digital calipers can also output readings to a computer directly which can be really handy if you do a lot of it for stuff like PPAPs. There's nothing wrong with a good analog measuring device but there's nothing wrong with a good digital one either.