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Anonymous Vows Revenge For ISIS Paris Attacks
An anonymous reader writes: As usual, Anonymous members are quicker to respond to threats than investigators and have announced #OpParis as revenge for the Paris attacks. Their action is similar to #OpISIS from this spring, launched after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Previously Anonymous ousted thousands of ISIS Twitter accounts in #OpISIS. In a more conventional response, the government of France has been bombarding ISIS positions in Syria with airstrikes, and hunting for suspect Salah Abdeslam in connection with Friday's killings.
As usual, Anonymous members are quicker to respond to threats than investigators
That's because they don't have any requirement to perform due diligence or, well, investigate anything. Investigators do. Anonymous are more like instigators.
At least Anonymous has the advantage of being difficult for ISIS to target, unlike military or police forces, or even intelligence services operated by nation-states. How much they can actually accomplish remains to be seen.
How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
they would sign up for the military and go bust some rear
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
implies that they had information about Daesh targets beforehand, but chose for some reason or another not to hit them before now. Because they sure hit them fast - the last I checked they hit over 30 targets in Raqqah today - they're not just suddenly discovering new things
Now why could that be - why would they have targets they weren't hitting? The only logical reason is that the combination of the value of the targets and their confidence in what they're hitting was lower than the risk of hitting innocent bystanders and fanning the flames of war. But now they've clearly made a different decision.
That doesn't mean that their course of action is inherently wrong. But it should be stated upfront that we're taking on more civilian risk/consequences in order to scale up the attack against them. I mean, France if they wanted could take the Russian route and drop (mostly unguided) munitions on anything that moves in a suspect area, or even the Assad route and pound their cities to rubble with barrels full of mining explosives. But what's the balance point of attack vs. protecting civilians - how much do you want to shift it in response to the Paris attacks?
And really, we all know this isn't going to be won from the air. So the real question is, how much weapons do you want to offload, to whom, how much do you actually trust them, what seeds for future conflict are you sowing... or conversely, dare you actually send in your own ground troops to do it yourself, into a conflict where half a dozen nuclear powers on different sides are uneasily circling each other?
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IS will ignore Anonymous, military, cops, and intelligence services in favor of unsuspecting theatergoers and people out for an evening at a cafe. Military and cops shoot back, and Anonymous is simply impotent against an organization like IS.
Those ISIS guys better watch now! Anonymous will be sending a barrage of pizzas to them that they didn't even order, and probably posting some dick pics on the their websites!
Two weeks ago more people were killed on the russian plane. Where did these anonymous guys were at that time?
IS will ignore Anonymous, military, cops, and intelligence services in favor of unsuspecting theatergoers and people out for an evening at a cafe. Military and cops shoot back, and Anonymous is simply impotent against an organization like IS.
That depends on whether Anonymous plans do useless stuff like tear down ISIS websites or something useful like hack the PCs of ISIS leaders and steal their financial records or details of their oil smuggling operation which would be most useful to the military and the cops even if it would probably embarrass Turkish president Erdoan and his AKP party pretty severely but then they have it coming.
Is Anonymous planning on SWATing Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi? Or maybe they'll start a DDOS against an ISIS controlled city.
Seriously, what do these guys think they're gonna do? If they really wanted to have an impact, they could try outing cartel associates or something, but that might produce an actual physical (deadly) response for Anonymous members. ISIS will regard Anonymous as the complete non-threat that they are, and move on with their apocalypse-seeking killings.
By the way, what ever became of the much ballyhooed KKK membership release? I seem to recall that turning into a whole bunch of nothing, just like this, and most other Anonymous endeavors, are destined to become.
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Anonymous is not difficult to target. The Zetas drug cartel did it quite successfully.
Anonymous could do the most good by hacking into and diverting - or simply revealing, if nothing else is possible - the finances of ISIS. Is there any hackable digital money stream involved, or is at all greasy piles of cash?
I feel safer already...
IS is one of the largest threats to our way of life in the west, but we are thinking too small when we think of ways to combat it. They believe they are on a mission from God, bringing about the final reckoning between good and evil - the Apocalypse. We think of them as trouble-makers that need to be sorted out as painlessly as possible, a short-term problem that can be solved with conventional weaponry, with relatively small losses. They aren't.
How we respond to them is difficult to work out. Maybe the Anon approach of hacking and defacing their web sites - cutting off the oxygen of publicity - would be a Good Idea. It may be better than trying to pick the right targets out of the desert with smart bombs and drones. It might be better than turning the entire region into green, glowing glass.
One thing you can do is screw with their social media, make it look as if ISIS hates Allah and Mohammed, not in big ways that are obvious, but smaller that makes recruits stand back and second guess. Undermine their ability to recruit anyone and recruit money and they will crumble faster than 10,000 bombs can hurt them.
Sever their income, destroy their ability to recruit and communicate. and please do it decently instead of carpet bombing that gets a lot of innocents as well. redirect their bank accounts to supporting Israel or other groups they hate.
Reveal all their financial supporters, and feel free to drain their accounts as well.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
taking out a conventional city that ISIS wholly controls in a Dresden like firebombing is now perfectly acceptable
No, it's a war crime and can be prosecuted under international law.
You realize that Raqqah is one of the largest cities in Syria, right? People there don't have a choice about "working with Daesh". Daesh runs the city, and every city within a great distance around them. And does all sorts of measures to prevent people from leaving.
These are people living in a densely populated city. Their city is being bombed. This puts them at risk. Some targets are low civilian risk. Others are high civilian risk. France's sudden intensive wave of bombing means that they've shifted the dividing line on the amount of risk to civilians they're willing to take.
Where to start?
1) There were two separate programs: the Pentagon program and the CIA program. The Pentagon program was a total failure. The CIA program was an unexpectedly huge success (perhaps too much - the FSA's rapid advances and breakinto Latakia triggered Russia and Iran's freakout and doubling down in Syria).
2) None of the soldiers trained by the Pentagon "prompty joined Daesh". The first handful of soldiers were poorly inserted, in way too small numbers and unevenly. They never manged to form into a unit in Syria. Some of them never made it into Syria. Others made it into Syria but were captured by al-Nusra, only released after negotiators convinced al-Nusra that they were focused only on Daesh. The few that made it into Syria and weren't captured were too disorganized to form a unit.
The Pentagon program - in stark contrast to the CIA program - was a colossal failure. But let's not spew falsehoods about it.
Beyond all of this are other actions that have been taken that are not part of these "programs". Most recently has been the arming of the YPG and arab militias - nominally just the latter, so as not to tick off Turkey, but in practice both - to resist Daesh in northeastern Syria. This effort too has been quite success thusfar, although it's too young to really evaluate at this point, and there's some risk of future seeds of discord being sown.
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"Hey Mom? Can you send down a double order of hot pockets to the my basement apartment? I've vowed revenge on ISIS and can't get out to the grocery store this week." Which do you think will be more effective - hacking twitter accounts or dropping bombs on them?
And yet, as we have seen time and time again, this is the only way to actually win a war with a fanatical enemy. Which is why we should never get involved in wars unless it's absolutely necessary for survival. The ONLY way to win a war against fanatics is to basically level their infrastructure(and yes civilians) to the point that continuing to fight is tantamount to suicide of the entire culture. The Japanese were suicidal religious fanatics that were only tamed once we destroyed enough of their country and killed enough of their citizens that they realized fighting will only result in the complete and utter annihilation of the Japanese people.
This is why we shouldn't get involved in wars were we aren't willing to completely level the enemy, including Dubya's little "war to avenge daddy" that is the root of this problem in the first place.
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hack the PCs of ISIS leaders
Which is bullshit. They need to hack the PCs of the national governments and corporations that finance them. To bring down ISIS means to bring down everything.
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Just brainstorming here, but you think we could hire the Zetas Cartel to go after ISIS?
You are welcome on my lawn.
It's the latest trend. The US nailed one in Afghanistan recently, Russia's hit nearly half a dozen since they started bombing Syria... come on, why can't France get in on the game? You know France doesn't like falling behind on trends. Maybe they're trying to start a new trend with bombing football stadiums?
It's unfortunate, but "suddenly coming up with three dozen targets to strike in one day" when the whole coalition had just been bombing a few per day recently means striking targets that have a higher risk of civilian death that you had previously decided not to hit.
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Which ones might well be revealed by the records within the PCs of the leaders of ISIS. But good luck trying to find that information.
OTOH, bombing doesn't do that much good, either. It definitely convinces the population of the area bombed that you are the enemy. Many of them might well not have believed that before you dropped a bomb on their sister or at their uncle's funeral.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Only if you lose, and probably not then.
I wish I could believe I was being cynical.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
They will hack their Twitter account. That should even the score.
The U.S. chose to withdraw from both Iraq and Afghanistan (though in reality they only withdrew to Iraq, and stopped withdrawing from Afghanistan once they realized how badly they had screwed up Iraq by withdrawing way too soon).
Obama claims he had no choice but to withdraw, but he very much wanted to and you'd have to be an idiot to think we couldn't have stayed had we just asked. We should have at least asked.
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We bombed the crap out of Iraq, Osama bin Laden, and Saddam Hussein, have been killed, al Qedea has devastated. Those things did not prevent ISIS - they caused it.
This is just what Islam does.
Leave their countries alone, and keep them out of our countries. Then everybody in the mid-east can just get back to killing each other.
... look to Saudi Arabia !
...Why does anyone require 'due diligence' and fact-checking against insane violent assholes like these Sunni extremist fuckstains that laughingly call themselves the 'Islamic State'
People simply can *NOT* get radicalized out of a vaccuum
Most of the sunni moslems get radicalized from the teachings of their imams, from the hate filled sermons uttered by the imams on the pulpit inside the mosques all over the world, and from the teachings they received when they were studying their 'peaceful religions' inside the madrasa ... and most of the imams, the mosques, the madrasas of the sunni sect in the whole world are being funded by the oil money from Saudi Arabia
Every year the Saudis provide funding for all these programs, to the tunes of tens of billions of dollars --- yes, you read it right, TENS OF BILLIONS
This has been an open secret for decades
The government of the United States of America knows about Saudi's funding of radicalization of moslems
The governments of the European countries know about Saudi's funding of radicalizations of moslems
All the nations in the world know it too, but no one dare to tell Saudi Arabia to stop radicalizing the moslems because everyone needs their oil
Goatse would probably turn them on. Most of them are fags - the ones that aren't busy humping sheep and donkeys. You want to piss them off show them pictures of clothed women doing things like working, driving cars, drinking alcohol, etc. Not anything underage because that will also turn them on.
There's actually pictures out there(can't find them at the moment) showing IS people with goats. They call them "comfort goats" because they aren't actually allowed to be with women once they join. Apparently, you are assigned a goat when you join but lower ranks must share 2 or 3 to a goat.
We need to rescue these poor goats.
I am really sick and tired of your lame attempt of hoodwinking people with _half-truths_
REAL FACT:
Over 86% of the moslems in this world live inside Moslem-majority countries
The largest group of moslems living in a non-moslem majority country are the moslems in India *about 8%*
2nd largest group of moslems living in non-moslem majority countries are moslems living in the West (EU, Canada, and USA) *about 3%*
3rd largest group of moslems living in a non-moslem majority country are the moslems in China*about 1.6*
The above 3 groups put algether amounts to less than 12.5% of the total number of moslems in the entire world
With more than 86% of the total number of moslems living in MOSLEM-MAJORITY COUNTRIES the likelihood that a moslem being killed by their fellow moslems is - of course - much higher than the likelihood of moslems being killed by non-moslems or the likelihood of non-moslems being killed by moslems
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We hope Anonymous has a 100, or 1000 year plan to keep attacking their propaganda because, sadly, radical Islam is much more disciplined than any effort to combat them thus far. Sorry to say but REAL BOMBS and acceptable collateral damage must be accepted in this real WAR.
Why not just replace the sites with redirects to fundamentalist Christian sites, or porn sites and let their heads explode.
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Are these the idiots who backed down when threatened by the cartels?
The cartels have people inside the US DoJ and CIA. So it's a lot more difficult maintaining anonymity when money is no object in tracking down people messing with the cross-border drug business.
Have gnu, will travel.
...is hack as many ISIS-linked social media accounts they can get their hands on, and bombard their followers and feeds with the cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad from the Garland, Texas art display.
I'm pretty sure the problem should sort itself out after that.
Sure. Except the IS doesn't have any cities. They occupy some territory in Iraq and Syria, where they're mostly bent on executing the majority of the populace. The Nazis would have laughed pretty hard if the allied strategy in WWII was extermination bombing of Jewish neighbourhoods in Paris.
You're absolutely right, the way to attack the islamic state is to attack it's ability to wage war. Stop converting moderate muslims into new recruits, stop littering the area with weapons and political instability, and work towards not giving any more money to oil rich middle eastern dictatorships.
However it utterly ignores that Islam does not have all of these flavors of Islam as yet, [...]
Yes it does. Islam has a lot of flavours. Some are legalistic, some are mystical and contemplative, and that's not counting the large number (possibly the majority) of people who identify as Muslim and do all the rituals but who don't really give a crap about politics unless it's hurting them directly.
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We are Anonymous! We will DDOS your servers!
We are Anonymous! We will Dox you!
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What? You'll shoot us, and others if we do this?
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You realize that Raqqah is one of the largest cities in Syria, right?
You think Dresden was a village?
People there don't have a choice about "working with Daesh".
You think that Dresden residents had a choice with the Nazis?
You realise that GP made the remark about Dresden precisely because It was carpet-bombed, residents and all.
Seriously, look up some of the WWII literature. You are hopelessly clueless about what will actually happen once countries go to war. They have, can and will bomb civilians in order to win.
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
Danish politicians (incl a foreign policy rep) are already on record for recommending bombing women and children in ISIS/ISIL/Daesh areas.
Just brainstorming here, but you think we could hire the Zetas Cartel to go after ISIS?
The Zeta Cartels are probably already keeping ISIS types away from the US border. The last thing they want is an ISIS type to infiltrate into the US across the southern border and get the US population interested in securing the border. The US southern border is safe. An ISIS type will come to the US on a student VISA from an EU country, or infiltrate the northern border after getting into Canada on a humanitarian basis.
If only France, the target of this terrorist attack, had some kind of elite military force composed (mostly) of foreigners... ;-)
The Legion is only necessary when the operation and its cost would be unpopular with the French public. I don't think any mission targeting ISIS would be very unpopular with the French. The entire French military is eligible for this one.
Saving Private Perez, Part 2?
the good ground has been paved over by suicidal maniacs
This folks, this response that I'm replying to, is how you end up with continual conflicts.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
"moslem"
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Free clue: ISIS is controlled by the CIA.
I don't think you're going to have much luck charging for your clues.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Actually, I do try to follow all of the daily sorties, using both official/international reports and ground reports. The rate of coalition attacks in Syria had been really falling recently.
For one who wants to pay attention, this conflict has actually been fairly easy to follow because the regime and various rebel factions usually roughly agree on ground truths (roughly). There's not much "Baghdad Bobbing" here.
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So, what are they going to do? DDoS them? That will show them!
A much larger sampling of Slashdotters thinks you're a loud, annoying retard.
One wonders what the response from the scriptkiddies would be if ISIS posted a Youtube saying they knew who the Anon members were and they were coming to get them. Given their record for doing real actual physical harm to people and not just taking websites offline or posting to Pastebin then the Anon mob are likely to find themselves running more scared than the ISIS mob are.
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Anonymous doesn't like having competition.
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
ISIS's name is “al-Dawla al-Islamiya fi Iraq wa al-Sham.” is converted to an acronym Daesh which is an Arabic word
ISIS hates the term and often makes death threats against those who use; relabeling ISIS as Daesh is used as a provocative insult.
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If Anonymous can help the good guys win the intelligence game against ISIS that all of civilization wins.
... Anonymous is simply impotent against an organization like IS.
I'm not so sure, an Anonymous attack on ISIS would certainly interfere with their social media recruiting, release of the server access.log and error.log could easily provide numerous oppertunities to Law Enforcement or Intelligence, and not to mention the possibility of making an IT worker on the inside, who's sympathetic to Anonymous a lot easier to turn.
The thing about organisations like ISIS is they heavily depend on a few charismatic individuals to present their public face, which provides LE, Intel and Anonymous with high value targets like Mohammed Emwazi AKA "Jihadi John" to concentrate on.
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Inciting them further by defacing their websites..
So far as their Internet presence goes, things of that sort would actually be effective, especially if they could be denied access to 'fix' the 'damage'; it would make them look stupid and ineffective, discrediting them in the eyes of the public, and more to the point, in the eyes of those that might be swayed and recruited by them. Killing someone potentially creates a martyr; once someone is dead, you can't really effectively hurt them anymore. But discrediting someone, leaving them alive, allows for near infinite possibilities to hurt them more in the future, and as we've seen in the media, some damage, once done, can't be recovered from.
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As far as I can tell, there was never a war with the Zetas; it was just one asshole with a book coming out looking for publicity. No police report was filed for the original "kidnapping", the guy who said he was going to release the information anyway is still alive, the information has never actually been released, etc.
Writhe your naked ass to the mindless groove.
The problem with fundamental religion is the fundamentals
The problem with vigilante justice is the vigilantes
Although I support Anonymous' goals, I do not support their methods. If you want to change the system for the better, you must navigate within it to make it better. This is what civilized societies and people do. They change the rules USING the rules. This is true even if the system is corrupt, unfair, and rigged against you.
Yes, sometimes that will mean breaking the law, but even that should be done in a non-violent manner. Violence should always be your absolute last resort.
Unfortunately, lately, it seems violence seems to have become the default response (on both sides).
PS, we the CIA have inserted into all the aluminum foil produced antennas to rebroadcast the signals through the foil. Your tin foil hats have been rendered useless for decades!
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Ahh, I see now why you are so quiet on my comments today.
A small sampling of /.'ers say my work is good who use my hosts file engine quoted:
You do realize that not a single quote you give supports that statement, don't you? All of those people say that they think your software is decent, or that they use hosts files, but none of them say they use your software to edit their hosts files.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Thanks for beating me to this post.
"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)
He says the program is good, not that he uses it.
"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)
He likes it, doesn't say he uses it
"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)
Says he tried it, not that he actually uses it
"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)
It is useful, for people that are completely computer illiterate and can't follow an easy set of directions...Still doesn't say he uses your software.
So, where are the quotes where
say my work is good who use my hosts file engine quoted:
Or do your mental deficiencies not allow you to understand the difference between "yeah it is ok" and "I love it and run it on a daily basis"?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
You mean your tirade where every single response that wasn't obviously you said you were being annoying and no one cared about your points but you weren't helping yourself?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Actually people there would have get an idea to avoid those bases. By the way, maybe those commander in ISIS get an idea changing place? And some knows that but do not talk about it, because they need to do something?
Depends how thorough you are.
If you don't believe me, ask a Tazzie Abbo.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
taking out a conventional city that ISIS wholly controls in a Dresden like firebombing is now perfectly acceptable
No, it's a war crime and can be prosecuted under international law.
well actually
there would be little argument to support ISIS accepting and applying the provisions of the Geneva Conventions.
1. the use of the term "excessive" also gives quite a bit of wiggle room as the Protocol I doesn't prohibit any loss of civilian life or property, only excessive loss of civilian life or property.
2. A credible argument could be made that any city that ISIS wholly controls is a single military objective
3. The US while voluntarily adhering to Protocol I, is not a signatory to and doesn't recognise international jurisdiction in this matter.
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Well, rather those ordinary people in Russia do not really care, like most people with good life do not care. And Russian TV send propaganda. If do not really care, you will believe and support Putin.
Far more useful on hacking those computers would be to change intelligence or orders, such that they attack fortified and prepared positions, or . . .
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>interfere with their social media recruiting,
Say, by revealing that 30% of the time, that the wives, sisters, and mothers of ISIS recruits are raped while gone? That their sons are frequently subject to homosexual rape and captured to raise swine? And that ISIS leadership is hiding this from the world?
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Perhaps they're not so much supporting ISIS as refusing to support another dipshit who thinks, just like ISIS, that *their* way is the best way.