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ISP To Court: BitTorrent Usage Doesn't Equal Piracy (torrentfreak.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The music industry has long argued that evidence of BitTorrent is evidence of piracy, and ISPs have generally gone along with them. But now, ISP Cox Communications is pushing back against that claim. They have been sued by publishers for failing to halt service for users alleged to have pirated music. Not only has Cox argued that the piracy evidence is invalid, they're also contesting the idea that BitTorrent is only used for piracy (PDF). "Instead of generalizing BitTorrent traffic as copyright infringement, the music companies should offer direct proof that Cox subscribers pirated their work. Any other allegations are inappropriate and misleading according to Cox." The company says, "the Court should preclude Plaintiffs from relying on mere innuendo that BitTorrent inherently allows individuals to infringe Plaintiffs' copyrights."

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  1. Programs using BitTorrent by Martin+Blank · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Aside from file sharing, how many programs use BitTorrent? I'm not challenging the defense here, as I also don't equate BitTorrent with piracy, especially since my main use is personal file synchronization using BitSync and downloading Linux ISOs.

    I seem to recall that Blizzard's Battle.net uses it, which I suspect is a non-trivial percentage of traffic. Do any other game management systems make use of it?

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    1. Re:Programs using BitTorrent by JestersGrind · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Facebook and Twitter also use BitTorrent. http://arstechnica.com/busines...

    2. Re:Programs using BitTorrent by Captain+Hook · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I use BTSync to synchronise my own files to my various devices.

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    3. Re: Programs using BitTorrent by phishybongwaters · · Score: 4, Informative

      I really hope the mindless morons follow your advice and get themselves fined and knocked offline because bittorrent in NO WAY provides a method to pirate and not get caught. In fact, out of ALL the methods you have at your disposal to pirate content, bittorrent is the WORST option. simply joining a swarm without even sending or receiving blasts your IP to anyone who bothers to listen. Even with DHT, you still have to connect to nodes. Without DHT you are at the behest of whatever torrent tracker(s) are in use. Most of which are extremely easy to eavesdrop on. Why would the "feds" want to shut down a major source of idiots for them to harass? I get your post was in jest, but it's so off base I feel the need to warn the morons who might actually think you were being serious.

    4. Re:Programs using BitTorrent by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Interesting

      World of Tanks uses BT for its updates. You may choose a http alternative but download times will balloon to days; everyone who can't use BT uses them, and overwhelms the update servers every time there is something to update, so using BT to get the update through peer players is no-brainer.

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    5. Re: Programs using BitTorrent by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

      See the following video for more info.

      The trend of presenting info only as a video disappoints me. For those who cannot watch video, such as while on break at work or on a metered connection, is there a transcript?

    6. Re:Programs using BitTorrent by TheReaperD · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I use it for things such a LibreOffice downloads and ISO images of things such as The Ultimate Boot CD (UBCD) and I know World of Warcraft uses it for its update engine. There are also a lot of other non-infringing uses of the protocol. The media companies just want the protocol and anything like it to be declared blanket illegal as it is an effective way to transfer large files which the media companies would like all such ability removed from the internet. They want both control over the content itself as well as any possible method of transferring such content so they can double-dip like they do on cable TV.

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    7. Re: Programs using BitTorrent by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yeah. I agree. If I wanted video, I would turn on a TV, go to youtube, goto Netflix, goto Hulu.

      Besides, how am I supposed to get the news at work without everyone knowing I am goofing off?

      If you post a video, post a transcript. But don't post videos.

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    8. Re:Programs using BitTorrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Aside from file sharing, how many programs use BitTorrent? I'm not challenging the defense here, as I also don't equate BitTorrent with piracy, especially since my main use is personal file synchronization using BitSync and downloading Linux ISOs.

      I seem to recall that Blizzard's Battle.net uses it, which I suspect is a non-trivial percentage of traffic. Do any other game management systems make use of it?

      The UK Government use BitTorrent.

      https://data.gov.uk/dataset/coins

  2. Good ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's time these guys got held to some damned level of standards instead of just making sweeping, bullshit claims like "if they used this protocol they were doing teh piracy".

    If they have specific evidence of specific infringement, use it. But simply accusing based on using the protocol is completely wrong. The problem is the copyright cartels essentially want a veto on any technology on the grounds it might be used to infringe. It doesn't work that way, but they keep pushing for it. And some idiot lawmakers are inclined to give it to them.

    The courts need to start slapping them down and saying "innuendo and snide suggestion is not evidence, and things which aren't infringing aren't illegal.

    "Once they have argued that BitTorrent use is automatically infringing, Plaintiffs seek to introduce other testimony and documents showing that some proportion of data traffic on Cox's network is associated with BitTorrent in order to mislead the jury into thinking that Cox knew or should have known about the infringement that Plaintiffs allege."

    Can we introduce into court that all statements made by representatives of the copyright cartel are self serving statements by lying assholes who routinely mislead courts and make claims with no evidence, and routinely resort to obfuscation and perjury to bypass meeting any legal threshold for evidence?

    Because that would be awesome.

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  3. Interesting Bit by oshkrozz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suspect what is starting to happen is COX is starting to realize that before it was fairly passive, all they had to do was hand over info. However, with TIPP and other programs being pushed through it will cost them actual dollars to police for the entertainment industry, payments that can not be so easy to extract from users. They want to now make sure that burden is placed on the entertainment industry and not themselves. There is no altruistic goal here, just who has to pay.

  4. did what now? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

    BitTorrent Usage Doesn't Equal Piracy

    Then you're doing it wrong.

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