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Intel Launches 72-Core Knight's Landing Xeon Phi Supercomputer Chip (hothardware.com)
MojoKid writes: Intel announced a new version of their Xeon Phi line-up today, otherwise known as Knight's Landing. Whatever you want to call it, the pre-production chip is a 72-core coprocessor solution manufactured on a 14nm process with 3D Tri-Gate transistors. The family of coprocessors is built around Intel's MIC (Many Integrated Core) architecture which itself is part of a larger PCI-E add-in card solution for supercomputing applications. Knight's Landing succeeds the current version of Xeon Phi, codenamed Knight's Corner, which has up to 61 cores. The new Knight's Landing chip ups the ante with double-precision performance exceeding 3 teraflops and over 8 teraflops of single-precision performance. It also has 16GB of on-package MCDRAM memory, which Intel says is five times more power efficient as GDDR5 and three times as dense.
"The cores are 14nm versions of Silvermont, rather than 22nm P54C"
So, somewhere someone at AMD is going "fuck it, we're going to 128 cores".
Damn ... that's a crap pile of cores ... that's like, Skynet in a box or something.
The mind reels.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
I think I can cover what most people are thinking... Holy S#:^ !
I want one of these in my next notebook....
Just saying
It is probably a good chip for it's niche, so you would think they would have less bloviation in their intro video. If this was anyone else I would assume they were mostly trying to fleece more investors before they inevitably went belly up. It's so bad that major league sports style animation with yelling pitchman and a pounding beat would be an improvement. That bad.
Why is Snark Required?
So what exactly is the real world application of such a beast? Are there that many x64 based supercomputers out there?
I also wonder the reason behind Intel's decision on using 22nm on the Knightslanding instead of the latest sub-10mn node that it has
Perhaps the latest node is not stable - or perhaps Intel wants to tap out the max value of whatever they had invested in the old 22nm node
So Intel is top dog given that nVidia is only producing 2.3Tflops, right?
I guess AMD gave up on HPC. If I read the wiki right, their top card does 0.1Tflops
McRAM?
Yes, I would fries with that.
I've been asleep for 20 years so I guess CISC won?
Zoid.com
...but I suppose 640 kilocores should be enough for anybody.
So how fast can it calculate a Knight's Tour
I eat only the real part of complex carbohydrates.
Defects in the process bleeding edge process are the main reason to use the older process. When they make one of these insane multi-core parts the die size is very large (sometimes taking up a whole 26 by 32mm scanner field) thus the yields are hit harder by defects. On a more consumer level chip they may have 4 or more die in a scanner field. A single defect in this field will take out one of the four die resulting a a yield of 75% for that field. However in the case of a single die for the whole field the yield would be zero with the exact same number of defects per mm^2. I am sure they have a greater understanding of where their defects come from on the older 22nm process these days and can ensure good yields even with a huge die size.
An additional reason they would use the older process is a chip of this level of complexity probably requires tighter overlay and critical dimension (CD) control than the "standard" 22nm process to work well. Having a well defined process makes tuning all of these factors much easier and it also helps decouple if it was it the process or possibly a issue in the design when initial silicon runs do not work exactly as intended.
This has been corrected in the post. Intel is in fact using their 14nm node for Knights Landing.
Or be able to load Windows 11?
Guess I read it wrong. FirePro S9170 produces 2.6Tflops.
You just discovered the amazing power of reading comprehension. You may have also discovered the amazing properties of shutting the fuck up when you don't know what you're talking about.
Don't you have some great big niggerdicks to fellate or something?
You are truly sick. Get some help. You, and the one who modded you insightful.
All I did was provide a useful link. And you go nuclear-fractal about it, exploding with invective and unsubstantiated speculation.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Apparently it features a 10-gauge orange power cable and has to rest on a block of dry ice during operation. Reviewers have been impressed by the game performance but not by the 15-minute battery charge lifetime. There is no known instance of the TSA allowing one of these through an airport.
I'm pretty sure that Anonymous Coward's response was itself propagating some other kind of meme, but I'm not motivated enough to look it up.
Anyway, the thing is to take inappropriately over-the-top invective with a grain of salt, since it was probably intended to be tongue-in-cheek.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
Are you a well adjusted, happy person? Ima guessing no.
Excellent! Now we'll be able to process even more bullshit widgets on websites!
I am still annoyed that Skylake still only comes with 4 meager cores and some lousy graphics I will mever make use of, and anything beyond that is a hockey stick price increase. Taunting us with 72 is just cruel.
While supercomputing is a very small section of the computing world, it's not that hard to understand.
First of all, this would make for a terrible graphics card. This (deliberately) sits between a CPU and GPU. Each core in a Phi has more branching support, memory space, more complex instructions, etc than a GPU core, but is still more limited than a Xeon core (but it has wider SIMD paths).
A GPU has many more cores that have a much more limited set of operations, which is what is needed for rapid graphics render. But, those limited sets of operations can also very useful in scientific computing.
I haven't seen anybody try a three pronged approach (CPU/Phi/Nvidia Tesla), but I will admit I didn't look very hard. This is all in the name of solving really big problems.
I have eight (8) cores on my laptop. Frequently, a single multiprocessor-unaware application will hog an entire core, getting it hot, while asking nothing of the other seven (7). These applications are typically very expensive ones, so you might think that they would make use of them.
Oh, but no. Give me two cores, 100 cores, or anywhere in between. I, as a power-user, will actually never notice a difference.
Get the programmers to write MPA software. Only then will I think about believing the hype about multiple cores.
There are some id10ts out here. Myself included. Didn't have a clue what the reference was till I saw the link.
These things are pretty much useless for bioinformatics stuff due to the limited memory. What are some areas where these things are actually useful?
Liberal detected.
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
I am waiting for the Mach30TurboLazer. Call me a Luddite. :)
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
Price for performance?
The chips no matter how small their transistors are still need to fit on a standard die.
To get these chips to run faster you can add more transistors and/or better optimize them for their use.
When you focus on the latter there is lass of a case of running out of space.
If we buy a bigger home we don't buy bigger furniture just more of it.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Something fast enough to run Minecraft!
What IS really interesting is that the technology offered to the masses today is last years news, read: only what they want us to see.. I know for a fact that the big money has stuff we see in movies. Society is getting to the point where technology is literally climbing up our asses, which is why all the tremors over backdoors, encryption, and in general the mass confusion of information people are fighting over. Greed is quite literally become psychotic. News at 11
I don't recognize this meme. Can you post a link?
So the product is Intel's not quite released compute accelerator, featuring new micro architecture, memory technology, and using the latest chip fab capabilities.
The most readily available competition with released numbers is an nVidia K80, a year old product using 5 year old memory technology, 5 year old chip fab capabilities, Set to be superseded by their refresh using state of the art fab, memory, and microarchitecture, which would actually compete toe to toe with what Intel announced.
This *should* make for an unambiguous trouncing of the nVidia product by Intel. So let's compare some metrics (not the best mechanism, but without real world numbers, settling for Rpeak and such).
Compute stands at 10TFlops SP and 2.9 TFlops DP on the K80, meaning Intel's brand new offering doesn't reach the SP performance of an 'ancient' product and barely edges them out on DP.
Memory capacity is actually lower than the K80 as well (16 GB intel v 24GB nvidia).
There is of course chance that even when going toe to toe with Pascal, that the ability to actually extract the promised performance will be better, but given how this doesn't unambiguously trump the K80 on paper, it's quite likely that Pascal will be overwhelming.
I also think the MIC product line will become redundant around Sky Lake dual socket time, when the main processor line starts having the AVX512 goodness.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Sure! Here you go!
Society is getting to the point where technology is literally climbing up our asses,
So you are saying that "big money" has next generation butt plugs?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki...
Are you sure you want to shave with one though, that might hurt...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Can it run Linux?
Yeah, my first thought on seeing that monster chunk of silicon: "Defectivity is going to make that thing expensive as hell."
friggin lame
Come on people, really..
are you all that borde that no one can come up with anything intelligent?
like a bunch a kids in jr. high..
Sniveling over, perceived entitlements, candy, games, and "stuff"
What's next?>
"Jenny says I cute"
"well jenny says I'm more cute than you, and you got cooties"
"really wanna fight about it, after school, behind the dugout?"
Booo Hoo,,
I agree with the other guy, "slow news day"
Whats going on in France??
Why not report on the technical aspects going on over in that region?
Too difficult?
"Does it break the method used by a program on cable called "the soup"?"
does it require someone to fire up a brain cell?
Or is this immature banter really that much more stimulating??
Down with IsIS..
Thank you
Are they not using the trick of selling chips with a defective core as a lower core count (like the old Phenom X3). I assumed that was why you get strange numbers like 61 cores.
lol. I think he wants a link to the past :P
Maybe you could, you know, stop posting as an anonymous coward before you go on this rant. It might make it slightly easier to impress people. Probably not though, given the rather lame content.
It would certainly be a close shave. :)
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
It would give a whole new meaning to razor burn.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015
Where'd I say it? Show us. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...
See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.
+ Migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
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I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts (WFP/SFP)!
"figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015
How else can I programmatically update hosts itself?
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"it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015
Hypocrite later admits it!
Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS it or it can't do a job fully like many security tools!
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"Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
Stupid, mine doesn't to get new data. Only hosts itself updates need it vs WFP/SFP. Users set it too. It's not programmatic impersonation.
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"90's technology to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:
"I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"
It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET said hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
APK
P.S.=> Con't. in #2/5... apk
"Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
Neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = Vastly INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I proved & no one proved me wrong to date!
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"your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP - Intake update of new hosts data doesn't!
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"won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...
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"What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
I don't keep a server. Security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code)!
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"the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
I place hardcoded fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of hosts is sorted blocked known bad threats.
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"What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
Hasn't happened..
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"They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
It works there!
Telemetry tracking's killing 10 by itself! Win10 = Win8: A flop - who're you fooling other than yourself?
APK
P.S.=> Con't. in #3/5... apk
"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)
62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:
Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
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Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
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Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...
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MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:
"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)
"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)
"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)
"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)
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You tried using Computer Associates another antivirus I turned over on false positives (1/8 over time) & they were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...
Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap also) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!
* YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!
APK
P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/5... apk
Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:
"introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015
How can my program do it?
Only things it puts in as non-blocking IP addy to hostnames is ones users give it as their favs to speed up @ the TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!
(For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).
YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY AS THEY ARE @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out of it!
(Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)
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"maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015
See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods making you "eat your words" vs. me (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):
+5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://science.slashdot.org/co...
http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
"You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015
YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in tech fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt! You did it to yourself.
APK
P.S.=> Con't. in #5/5... apk
"defame me saying things he knows aren't true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015
Hypocrite you're projecting & your signatures do the rest.
"the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015
I show /.'ers say differently by quoted testimonials - Show us you've done better: YOU can't!
"maybe someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015
Quotes of you = true - & You can't keep your word + projecting what YOU do (AD/DNS lie).
"I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015
I protect users speeding them up, helping reliability, & security + anonymity online w/ more ability & efficiency than ANY 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.
"I should change my signature again to rile him up more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015
Childish sigs = all you've got!
"I refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015
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"You claim I have never proved you wrong...a flat out lie." - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015
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"I proved you wrong on numerous occasions" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015
Where & on what tech? "Cat got your tongue"??
"written in shitty Delphi, "How to secure Windows" docs I could have written in my sleep when I was 20" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2016
You're 30++ & haven't done either!
Show you've done MORE vs.a small partial list of mine & better, + earlier:
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
THEN talk vs. TALKING OUT YOUR ASS!
CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... MILLIONS use.
APK
P.S.=>
"I never admit you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
You PROVED I AM... apk
How about you go and fuck yourself you pathetic sack of shit
The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
Another reason they may use the larger version is that they simply have much more room to work with. In a CPU there is a very small area that can be taken up by cores since so many things have been integrated these days like video processors and the north-bridge. Here they have an entire pci-e card to play with, so they can use the larger architecture without worrying about space.
This is merely my conjecture though.