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Police Find Paris Attackers Coordinate Via Unencrypted SMS (techdirt.com)
schwit1 writes: In the wake of the tragic events in Paris last week encryption has continued to be a useful bogeyman for those with a voracious appetite for surveillance expansion. Like clockwork, numerous reports were quickly circulated suggesting that the terrorists used incredibly sophisticated encryption techniques, despite no evidence by investigators that this was the case. These reports varied in the amount of hallucination involved, the New York Times even having to pull one such report offline. Other claims the attackers had used encrypted Playstation 4 communications also wound up being bunk.
On the subject of our respective governments' unbounded honesty, anyone knows what happened to James "Lied Under Oath" Clapper?
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I'm glad the terrorists died a violent death. I am sorry Diesel the police dog was sacrificed for these muslim turds. May Diesel rest in peace.
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Where is this proof in the article?..
Because terrorists use SMS we should monitor all SMS traffic. Because they use phones we should record all conversations. Because they use the Internet we should monitor all traffic. Because they drive cars, fly planes, and buy things at grocery stores.. we should monitor those too. In fact since terrorists use essentially everything non-terrorists use... then we should monitor everything. Put camera's in washroom stalls just in case the terrorists find a way to use them. Force people to wear microphones just in case they are terrorists. If you have done nothing wrong what do you have to worry about? Are you some kind of terrorist sympathizer? Let me mark down your objections on my suspect review and no fly list.
Only monitoring everything will free us from the threat of tyranny once and for all. Complete and total control of everything by government officials is true freedom.
Remember when Saddam had some complex masterplan for building chemical and nuclear weapons? And Al Qaeda were criminal masterminds? Now it is ISIL (The Tiny Penises) that have sophisticated methods that only our authorities can figure out if you give them unlimited powers.
I feel that this terror threat is vastly over-stated. Saddam was not a really threat (a little but not that much). Al Qaeda weren't really a threat (sure they killed people, but hardly enough to roll over your way of life for), and now The Tiny Pensis are a threat (no they aren't).
To put it in perspective, the Police in the US have killed more civilians this year than The Tiny Penises have in France.
Terrorists are shitty humans, but it's not enough to give up for freedom and privacy for.
A FPMITAP one.
police have found that the terrorists breathed air, drank water, and wore clothes in order to carry out their attacks. Police and security agencies have united in calling for these things to be banned immediately.
"Police Find Paris Attackers Coordinate Via Unencrypted SMS". And where's the article to support that headline?!
It really wouldn't be hard to use the in game functions of any military themed shooter game to set up an an attack.
Essentially, in game people are already talking about shooting people and targets, that even unencrypted it would be painfully difficult to filter through all the chats - supposing you had access to them - to figure out which players were talking about playing the game, and who would be planning something in real life.
Quite scary
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The logic of authoritarians:
Thanks to Snowden's revelations, terrorists started using unbreakable encryption!!!!!!!
Right. Except they didn't.
That was pre-Snowden. Terrorists didn't know about encryption before that.
Right again. Except they did.
So, you see-- Snowden has "blood on his hands" for making terrorists aware of encryption, which they knew about for decades, so they could use it, which they didn't. And thank goodness for that, because if they had used encryption, the attacks might have been successful, which they were.
Got it.
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"...Attackers Coordinate Via Unencrypted SMS"
You mean the media? Yes, they often attack using SMS as their weapon of choice when blindly and viciously terrorizing truth or due diligence.
If you're talking about the Paris terrorists, well yeah, I guess they could be stupid enough to do that...or just be attention whores like the media...
I realize you're going to get modded into invisibility. But before that happens, I want to say that I believe there's a lot more to the whole ISIS/Daesh story than meets the eye.
I'm old enough to remember when people thought MK-Ultra was just some conspiracy theorists dark fantasy. I mean, how could our government be using hallucinogenics to experiment on people for the purposes of mind control? When it turned out to be true, the story changed to, "Oh that. That was a long time ago, right?" When it turns out that some rather notable mass murderers turned out to have been subjects of MK-Ultra, the story changed back to, "Oh, that's just a conspiracy theory."
When something in the news happens and all you can say is, "What the fuck?!", sometimes you should ask yourself, what indeed, the fuck is going on.
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Maybe he's not the deluded one.
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Lets make mandatory to encrypt all communications, so only the terrorists will use non-encrypted messages and indentify them fast. what? wait, let me think that one moment more.
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It seems to me that when you're planning to blow yourself up anyway - you're probably not that worried about getting caught after the fact, and there's so much traffic going around that open communications especially if using a simple codewords for obvious trigger phrases (so say "flowers' instead of "bombs" etc...) and very likely the best the intelligence folks will do is read your comms after you've succeeded and have gone to meet your 72 Virgins....
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We need to encrypt everything. Leaving SMS encrypted leaves us open to terrorist attacks.
And we need licencing for SMS use too!
Right. So where is the "surreptitious administration of drugs (especially LSD), hypnosis, sensory deprivation, isolation, verbal and sexual abuse, as well as various forms of torture"?
I mean really, I haven't seen LSD in ages.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
The best method of encryption is no encryption at all, using word or phrase replacement.
All the spy measures in the world are pretty useless against people who understand that.
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This war on encryption and personal privacy can't be won by the ordinary man against governments.
It's inevitable. They will get their way.
I take personal comfort in seeing a repeating cycle in history where they can only legislate once the genie is out of the bottle, and they are slow to react.
A basic lack of understanding of technology, by those in power, and technology's ability to evolve outside of their constraints means that they are really just sowing the seeds for the next big thing after the internet - it's replacement.
Peer to peer communications, not network based would be my guess.
How? I dunno, but when forced into a corner we always find a way out.
At one time news was factual and verified. But these days anyone can post whatever they want and have very little to back it. Hoping I guess they guessed correctly. If indeed we now know the terrorists only used non encrypted SMS imagine how they now know how to use the proper encrypted tools from now on. Thanks to our wonderful news media pointing it out. The really bad part is that all we ever do is react to a disaster that already happened. We don't learn from the 9-11's of the world. We don't police our boarders we don't profile for fear of offending someone. Islam is NOT a peaceful religion, don't let anyone tell you it is. Much of the Middle East problems stem from religion. The Islamic belief is no exceptions beyond total devotion to Islam. All else is evil and must be eliminated. Even the moderates in the Muslim world simply look the other way unless they are specifically attacked. Deep down, they are required to believe what they are taught. This now has spread to the West and if Christians are to survive we must stop it now or become silenced.
News never has been and never will be factial and verified. Have you ever read Revolutionary War articles? Have you seen was Julius Caeser wrote back to Rome? Media has always had a political aspect to it, that's nothing new. Back in your day, there were a fair few terrorists who did all this too, might I point out. And lastly, if that is the kind of government you wish, may I suggest Russia? I think your political philosophy matches much more with theirs than the United States'. Good day to you, sir.
"Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
Right. So where is the "surreptitious administration of drugs (especially LSD), hypnosis, sensory deprivation, isolation, verbal and sexual abuse, as well as various forms of torture".
Sounds like a modern day Frat party.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
... When it turns out that some rather notable mass murderers turned out to have been subjects of MK-Ultra, the story changed back to, "Oh, that's just a conspiracy theory."...
That sounds intriguing. Who were the murderers involved?
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James "Whitey" Bulger and Unabomber Ted Kaczynski are the two most famous. There is also evidence that Sirhan Sirhan and Charles Manson were subjects. And the doofus who shot John Lennon. A lot of information came out in the Church Committee hearings, but by then the CIA had already destroyed a lot of the records. Fortunately, enough documentation and testimony of participants and "researchers" survived to give a very good idea of MK-Ultra, how it worked and what they were using it for.
I went for years thinking that the whole thing was just a myth. The evidence is pretty clear, though. The program was real and went on for decades.
There's also a very interesting back story about how many of the original researchers died in suspicious circumstances in the year following the Church Committee hearings.
It's one of those "open secrets" like the fact that the Reagan Administration paid and allowed drug cartels to flood the inner cities with crack cocaine to fund anti-Communist death squads in Central and South America. You ask most people and they're like, "Nah, that can't be true." But true it is. And not Alex Jones True, but real life true.
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When the drug dealer started sending MMS images of clocks?
It seems entirely reasonable that you could plan just about anything with plain text SMS. It wouldn't be hard to talk about whatever it was in plain language substituting normal activities like going shopping or whatever.
An innocuous code would be impossible to decode if you didn't suspect the people in question. You'd never filter out the 373738483847 other texts that were about mundane activities.
In other news, terrorists have a bunch of new ideas on how to communicate
Ban SMS! Terorristz use them!!!1!
My first program:
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effective alternatives to mass survailence and bulk data collection
Courage. The outcomes are far superior.
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They need to explain why the massive global surveillance failed to stop the attacks and the reasons they came up with is Snowden and encryption. This is despite their own reports that showed their massive surveillance to not be effective against terrorism even before Snowden and widespread encryption. Big-Data is great for statistical analysis, if is not very useful for spear-fishing.
"Or are you saying that only first world, western lives count?"
I am sorry, but when determining the territorial security of country (laws, police intervention) only what happen in that country should count. Citing that some terrorist in some country somewhere should make us drop our law , trample our constitution, and roll over the ground wailing, is stupid. Were you there to claim the genocidial Rwanda event should lead to some police change in the US/France/Whichever ? No ? then ISIL is no different.
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>> You ask most people and they're like, "Nah, that can't be true." But true it is. And not Alex Jones True, but real life true.
Well, the regularity of atrocities has approached overwhelming proportions - videodrome. ... 1984 wasn't a warning, it was the elites' plan for utopia.
If you're interested in facts I'll tell you what they are and I'll give you sources - Chomsky on The Big Idea
... and let me tell you that after last Friday, we are now experiencing a period in which the government can decide and impose whatever it damn pleases : massive surveillance, restricted freedom, you name it.... At this stage, I believe people are willing to accept anything in the name of (presumed) safety. At some point, this period will come to an end but until then, I except the law to change a lot, and essentially nobody is going to raise a finger about it....
Reminds me of the time when I was living in the US, right after 09/11. Sad, really.
Freedom, similar level of security, less government waste, following the constitution.
The government has previously admitted that its mass surveillance efforts haven't cracked a case or helped to catch a terrorist so doing nothing would have been just as effective.
Time to offend someone
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For this to even be a question, you first have to show mass surveillance as effective. Good luck with that.
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..and if you can't manage to decode that in a few minutes or less, then you might have a bright future as a politician.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Like criminals they are MOSTLY stupid and uneducated. Both groups for the most part lack many of the basic resources required to improve upon their actions, be it infrastructure, money, contacts, technology, etc...
That is why you hear of stories of bank robbers taking cabs home and the like.
That is not to say that smarter craftier ones don't exist, only that the dumb ones far outnumber them. I have no doubt, the easiest way to catch the smart ones, are not by trying to unravel their master plan, but rather by simply catching the dumb ones that are associated with them. I would bet the Terrorist HR department takes pretty much anyone that shows up.
So yeah, don't bother messing around with encryption, it simply isn't worth the time and effort (regardless of the other larger civil implications).
Not to start up the whole Refugee debate, but this is also something I thought about in this context. First countries should accept them, because in doing so is thwarting terrorist efforts. Preventing people from fleeing them, seems counter productive. Secondly, and perhaps just as importantly,of those that are educated and helping the terrorist cause, I would bet a significant portion of them are not fanatics but rather coerced into roles because of threats to their families should they not cooperate. Should those families be safely relocated, that leverage is removed, perhaps prompting desertion, and making it harder for HR to enlist really useful people, having to depend on more dummies, who make more mistakes, which make them less effective and more easily caught, etc...
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Hi! Good morning, welcome to real life where sith happens despite the government knowing everything about you. Can we go back to some of those outdated constitutional protections now? Maybe? Okay, I'll just wait and be optimistic either way, hoping to read more good news on here :)
So how is encryption a problem when they can't even stop crimes when it's not being used?
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