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Donald Trump Obliquely Backs a Federal Database To Track Muslims
HughPickens.com writes: Philip Bump reports at the Washington Post that Donald Trump confirmed to NBC on Thursday evening that he supports a database to track Muslims in the United States. The database of Muslims arose after an interview Yahoo News's Hunter Walker conducted with Trump earlier this week, during which he asked the Republican front-runner to weigh in on the current debate over refugees from Syria. "We're going to have to do things that we never did before," Trump told Walker. "Some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule." When pressed on whether these measures might include tracking Muslim Americans in a database or noting their religious affiliations on identification cards, Trump would not go into detail — but did not reject the options. Trump's reply? "We're going to have to — we're going to have to look at a lot of things very closely," he said. "We're going to have to look at the mosques. We're going to have to look very, very carefully." After an event on in Newton, Iowa, on Thursday night, NBC's Vaughn Hillyard pressed the point. "Should there be a database system that tracks Muslims here in this country?," Hillyard asked. "There should be a lot of systems, beyond databases" Trump said. "We should have a lot of systems." Hillyard asked about implementation, including the process of adding people to the system. "Good management procedures," Trump said. Sign people up at mosques, Hillyard asked? "Different places," Trump replied. "You sign them up at different places. But it's all about management."
I'm no fan of Donald Trump but, the discussion where this took place was part of a larger discussion regarding immigration. The reporter asked if he would be interested in some sort of registry. Trump went off on what he wants to do to stem illegal immigration (including building a wall). The reporter said something akin to "you want to do this?" To which Trump said "yes". The reporter didn't ask for clarification as to whether he was talking about a registry or not. (If I were the reporter, I certainly would have asked for more details if I thought he was talking about a registry. "How will you implement a registry?" "Do you think the American People would go along with this?" "Do you think the courts will allow it?" "What about the First Amendment?" Etc etc etc. after all, if he really meant that, it would be a huge story for the reporter and a great scoop. Being the reporter didn't follow up, I can only believe that they both thought Trump was agreeing that he would implement his wall idea and that this is no more than political "gotcha!"
I can't believe someone is honestly suggesting that we do this again.
You mean, the reporter who suggested it? Yeah, pretty awful. Watch the entire sequence, and listen to the questions the OTHER reporter is asking at the same time, which he's answering at the same time. I don't like Trump. But this characterization is BS, and you either know it or should. He's said he wants to keep track of recent immigrants so we don't have what the French just put up with, and he said "I'd definitely do that" to the second reporter (in a loud room) who asked him about the border wall/fence, not some mythical "muslim database" that was present only in the mouth of the reporter who dreamt it up. You don't have to like Trump to dislike out of context spin.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Indeed unbelievable. What you're reading about is not what the man said, it's what hacks think he might have meant by not saying something PC, woo woo!
You joke, but there actually is a Pakistani children's show called Burqa Avenger about a burqa-wearing ninja who fights people that try to stop girls from getting an education. ;)
One could take the joke from SATW and pit an arabian or south asian woman in a burqa against a Somali ship hijacker and get an epic Ninja vs. Pirate battle ;)
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That's scary in itself. But seeing the actual words from The Donald is hilarious. He's clearly has no plan, he's improvising on the fly, trying to project the image that he has a secret plan but he can't go into details yet. He sounds like that angry drunk guy you meet at a bar who wants to rant about things but has no real idea of what he's talking about.
If you listen to the interviews in which this is supposedly revealed, you will see that what is said isn't exactly what is reported. In the interviews you can tell he was still talking about the border and illegals entering the country. Even in the second interview in which he claimed it was all about management, the reporter said "american muslims" and Trump went on about securing the border and people entering the country illegally.
I'm actually somewhat surprised this type of gotcha news isn't being dispelled in more places and that Slashdot of all places has it on the front page. I'm not a trump supporter either. Quite frankly the idea of him having access to nuclear weapons scares me a lot. But I'm not getting the same statements from the audio of these supposed interviews claim was created.
Oh please. The Trail of Tears, generations of slavery, Jim Crow, lynchings, etc. all are much worse than rounding some people up in camps for a relatively short time during a huge war. Not that it wasn't a stain on our history, but to imply it's worse than the things above is just ridiculous. Even Guantanamo seems worse, given how long those guys have been imprisoned there without due process (10+ years), whereas the Japanese were released when the war was over, which was no longer than 4 years.
SJWs want to believe that he said this exactly as the headline puts it. Truth and accuracy are of no concern.
Trump is a moron and should never be president. But he should be quoted correctly.
Trump explained how he'd sign Muslims up in the database:
"It's good management."
When asked whether he'd go to a mosque, or what:
"You sign them up in different places."
Video link:
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/t...
But you seem like the type who is more likely to blame the media than attempt to understand facts, so hopefully others will read this, and catch onto your party's stupid little anti-media ruse.
Habeas Corpus may only be suspended during times of invasion or rebellion, and WWII was neither. And even if Japan had invaded, suspension of Habeas Corpus is a power given to Congress, not the Executive.
In fact, Christian minorities have a number of special rights under the law, including representation in the parliament. Exactly what kind of country are we trying to become?
Nope. You're living in your own little fantasy world, sponsored by Rush Limbaugh. Trump explained how he'd sign Muslims up for the database.
I don't like Trump (really, I don't like any of the candidates, but......), but as far as I can tell, he didn't say he'd sign Muslims up for a database. He carefully worded his way around it, continually returning to building a wall (so useful that will be~ ), and generally avoided the reporter's question. Here is the actual transcript, you can judge for yourself. I'm giving my understanding of it, he was careful to avoid saying he would sign Muslims up for a database (and even more avoided how he would accomplish it, "management"):
Hillyard: Should there be a database or system that tracks Muslims in this country?
Trump: There should be a lot of systems. Beyond databases. I mean, we should have a lot of systems. And today you can do it. But right now we have to have a border, we have to have strength, we have to have a wall, and we cannot let what’s happening in this country happen any longer.
Hillyard: But that’s something your White House would want to implement?
Trump: Oh, I would certainly implement that. Absolutely.
Hillyard: What do you think the effect of that—how would that work?
Trump: It would stop people from coming in illegally. We have to stop people from coming in to our country illegally.
Hillyard: But specifically, how do you actually get them registered into a database?
Trump: It would be just good management. What you have to do is good management procedures. And we can do that. [to someone else] That’s nice.
Hillyard: Do you go to mosques and sign people up?
Trump: Different places. You sign ’em up at different, but it’s all about management. Our country has no management.
Hillyard: Would they have to legally be in this database, would they be—
Trump: They have to—they have to be. Let me just tell you: People can come to the country, but they have to come legally. Thank you very much.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
I came here to see how many people would be flipping their shit over the idea. I watched the video, and to my disappointment discovered that Trump didn't suggest anything about said Moslim Database, it was the Reporter shoving it down his throat. And if you listen to the conversation, it seems like the Reporter and Trump are talking about two completely different things!
Come on, ppl!
lol.. I bet you never even bother looking up the audio or listening to it if you did. American Muslims is not all that clear but he was giving a speech on illegal immigration, talking to reporters about illegal immigration, and when someone asks him something, it is perfectly logical to assume he was continuing to talk about illegal immigration when he mentioned it specifically all around the questions. It is more likely that he didn't even hear or understand the "American" portions and understood it to be a question about the topic at hand, illegal immigration.
Trump is an idiot who will fail on his own. You do not need to fabricate shit or take shit out of context and basically lie in order to help him along the way. Take it for what it is, which is nothing near what you are trying to make it out to be.
I watched the video and it seems clear to me he misheard the questions. He never uses the word Muslim himself. the reported just put it out there and it seems clear he thought the question is do we register immigrants.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
That's incorrect. Japanese Americans were rumored to be spying against the USA, and the court ruled that the need to protect against espionage outweighed the rights of the American citizens not to be interned.
However, the Solicitor General failed to not provide a report from the Office of Naval Intelligence that stated there was no evidence that Japanese Americans were acting as spies or passing information to the enemy.
In 1983, Korematsu's conviction for failing to report to for internment was overturned on the grounds that the government had knowingly submitted false information to the Supreme Court that had a material effect on the court's decision.
Trump: We have to do something about Muslims.
Reporter: What, like a database?
Trump (actual quote): "I would certainly implement that, absolutely. There should be a lot of systems, beyond databases. We should have a lot of systems."
Reporter: Should Muslims be legally obligated to sign into the database?
Trump (actual quote): "They have to be — they have to be."
So any attempt to say he didn't talk about databases is pure bullshit.
He was not talking about immigration.
He was talking about Muslims.
Your entire case is built on the idea that the database was suggested by the reporter and not Trump, but the fact he gladly went went along with it, expounded on it, and then later suggested special IDs and shutting down -ALL- Mosques, makes that irrelevant.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.