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Apple Looks To Introduce OLED Displays In iPhone Models From 2018 (thestack.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Apple is expected to integrate organic light-emitting diode (OLED) display technology in its iPhone handsets from 2018. The Cupertino-based giant will jump from liquid crystal display (LCD), which has been used in iPhones since 2007, to OLED – turning to suppliers like LG Displays, according to Japanese reports. The switch follows the steps of other smartphone makers such as Samsung and LG, which have both already integrated OLED technology in their mobile device ranges.
My I9100 has OLED too. In 2018 it will be 5 years old. Really up to date hardware reseller, this apple inc. is.
The switch follows the steps of other smartphone makers such as Samsung and LG, which have both already integrated OLED technology in their mobile device ranges
Plus, Apple, in 2015, is still not able to provide Macbooks with matte screens. Working while watching a mirror for hours is an eye killer..
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Lies.
Damn lies.
Apple will do it first in 2018 and it will be innovative.
Just what we need. Organic conponents in smartphones. Now there will be yet another thing for viruses to attack. Didn't Apple watch Star Trek? Voyager got its gel packs infected with some virus, causing huge problems. On the other hand, I'm sure quite a number of iPhone users want their iPhone to feel more like a Star Trek device. Now they have their chance.
Do we still not have any OLED PC monitors? Just why.
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Your old OLED screens don't compare to modern OLED displays - they're at least two generations behind. And black bars? That's the controller, not the 'phosphors'. It could be that a certain OLED panel had a bad production run, but try to keep proper separation of concerns.
A 4-year-old GS3 AMOLED screen looks great compared to any iPhone screen produced today, and the newer ones are even better (I considered switching to a 'better' phone (circuit-board level) after running a GS4 for years, and just couldn't go back to LED). Apple is switching to better technology obviously (and good for them).
Most importantly, the iPhone OLED screen will last longer than security updates will be available for the device. Be a responsible netizen and recycle the thing in 2023. Or go with an open product instead to extend the safe lifetime of your purchase.
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The colour quality of the GS3 screen is appallingly over-saturated. Its sharp and bright, but I'd not call it "great"
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Have a look at the latest OLED screens used in GS6 or Note 5. They beat everything else by such a huge margin that it's not even funny.
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i have a iphone 6S and Galaxy S6 I use daily. I use the iphone 6s a lot more because of the screen.
Not color accurate at all.
Hmmm... Anecdote from a random person on one side and detailed scientific analysis and comparison on the other. Wonder what to believe in.
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Color accuracy is better than any other mobile screen available. http://www.displaymate.com/Gam...
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Staring at my OLED screen on my HTC one felt like I was staring at a 60hz cry. On top of that, there was no way to darken the screen to acceptable hours at night. If Apple is picking up OLED, that most likely means the defects of the display have been fixed.
HTC is famous for using shitty OLED screens. Look at a Galaxy phone from the last 3 years, and gaze at the screen in stunned amazement. The brightness range is stupefying, the color reproduction is perfect, the contrast ratio is literally infinite.
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I don't give a tiny rat's ass either way, I still have an old flip-phone, but it sure seems Apple is turning more and more into a follower every day. I saw an ad on TV the other day: a large tablet being clicked into a very thin looking keyboard, with the person proceeding seamlessly from tablet mode to typing on the said keyboard. I thought, oh no, not another Surface Pro ad. And before I could skip it, the text on the screen (or voice over?) says "Our largest iPad for professionals". Or something to that effect. First time I confused an Apple product with something else, and not the other way around.
1) OLED has gotten a lot better
2) people dispose of their phones after 24 months, not half a decade +
Ah, hear that, AC?
Your using the wrong OLED screen, you idiot.
" And black bars? That's the controller, not the 'phosphors'"
Black bars are almost NEVER a result of the controller and are more often the result of failed edge IC tabs or the IC tabs coming unglued from the contacts.
Source: I manufacture LED panels.
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I actively avoid OLED when purchasing tech with displays. OLED suffers from CRT style burnin on steroids, more prone to failure with usage/age and offers inferior daylight visibility.
I don't care about which of the two panels looks slightly better than the other. I can't tell the difference and frankly I wouldn't care if I could.
I'm actually a fan of OLED displays when they're perfect, yes, even the bright colors.
But dammit it's hard to find a really good *actual* OLED display in an *actual* unit.
Went through five phones before I got a Note 4 with a good display. Went through four Galaxy Tab S units to find a good one new out of the box. Let's see, what are the problems encountered in the various and sundry displays?
- Strong yellow cast, like ridiculously strong
- Pink/green gradient, usually from corner to corner, with "white" only in display center
- Uneven brightness, i.e. dark "splotches" on white backgrounds or "dark gradients" at one edge of the screen to about 1-2" in from bezel
- Terrible pixelation/pixel noise at low brightness, not unlike digital camera "noise" in low-light exposures
- Burn-in (even in supposedly factory-new devices)
Either QC or the production process or both appear to be nearly fatally flawed for Samsung, and they're currently the biggest shipper of OLED screens in gadgets, and have had years of experience. You'd think they'd have it sorted out by now.
I love the *potential* of OLED, but it seems like for the most part right now, attempts to actually ship them in consumer devices leave a lot to be desired.
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the contrast ratio is literally infinite.
perryizgr8 is literally an idiot.
2) people dispose of their phones after 24 months, not half a decade +
Spewing random shit on slashdot doesn't make it true. If everyone dumped their iPhones after 2 years, Apple wouldn't bother ensuring iOS updates worked on 5 year old devices.
Umm...is there a point in your comment? I'm unable to find any.
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As if the implicit insinuation of "retina" wasn't ridiculous enough. Now that the thing will indeed me "organic" it sure will be a orgasm to marketing types!
I tried to give my GS3 AMOLED phone to my kids, and they wouldn't take it. The screen is so horrible compared to my new phone, LCD, of course. Though for them, the 5.5" is the biggest feature of the screen (that and being QHD), and the battery life is much better in my newer 5.5" phone than the GS3.
And Samsung sucks. GS3 is not that old, and Samsung won't put out a recent firmware for the millions of people that are still on it. Samsung has one of the worst support cycles of anyone out there. But that's OK, as TouchWiz is pretty bad anyway, and all the Samsungs are begging to be rooted and flashed. HTC, Oppo and others do a much better UI than Samsung. Samsung is too focused on duplicating Google's apps, rather than augmenting them. I don't need a Samsung store next to the Google store.
I'd put my GS3 down as my worst tech purchase. I should have gone with the HTC I had as a work phone, but wanted to try something different for my personal phone and heard good things about the GS3, obviously only from people who wanted company in their misery with that POS.
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I've looked at a Note 5 next to a Oppo Find 7, and I didn't see the difference you assert. Aside from AMOLED bragging rights, how would a regular human spot the difference?
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This is likely by intent: Planned obsolescence can simply be implemented a lot better with OLED than with LCD. LCD was designed from the start as a long-lifetime technology. OELD is now correcting that mistake.
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How does it compare with something like the Oppo (or the many others) with a similar sized screen and the same resolution?
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Apple's last update for my 3GS was a few months after it was bought new. Apple's iOS updates only seem long if you measure from the first phone sold, not the last.
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Create an image with pixels completely black. All channels zero. View it on screens side-by-side in the dark. Also, the brightness can go up insane high in AMOLED.
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Apple is going to do in 2018 what others have done in 2013, 2014, and 2015.
What is news is this:
Apple is no longer a trendsetter, an innovator, a company that others seek to follow.
Apple is a follower, a duplicator, the ass on the donkey of innovation.
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And for someone reading emails and facebook (99% of phone's use, from what I can tell), how could the expense and complexity of OLED be seen side by side in a store? The stores don't like when you wipe their phones and install a custom test firmware, and shoot out all the lights in the mall, as your test would require for the parameters I gave.
I guess idiots prefer OLED because it would be better, if anyone ever ran across that one specific test, though nobody has yet.
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now you're just making shit up
The stores don't like when you wipe their phones and install a custom test firmware, and shoot out all the lights in the mall, as your test would require for the parameters I gave.
Why would you need to do any of that to view an image? Just image search for "AMOLED black" and see. And you can see the difference without turning off all the lights. Although the effect is much more affecting in the dark.
I guess idiots prefer OLED because it would be better, if anyone ever ran across that one specific test, though nobody has yet.
I do not understand what's wrong. Do you want to know which is the best display tech right now and why? If yes, I gave you the answers. If not, then why are you reading this?
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This is likely by intent: Planned obsolescence can simply be implemented a lot better with OLED than with LCD. LCD was designed from the start as a long-lifetime technology. OELD is now correcting that mistake.
You're missing a crucial point. The lifetime of LCDs is more or less indefinite. The lifetime of the backlight however is very much finite, and the backlights (whether LED or cold cathode) fade and dim over time.
The problem is that making light emitting things that don't dim with age is really hard, because there are almost always unpleasant interactions between the various bits. Like gas can slowly leak in/out of gas discharge things. Electromigration occurs, and so on and so forth.
The light source with the best aging properties is sulphur lamps because the sulphur gas is (a) self healing (unlike semiconductor crystals) and (b) has no metal electrodes anywhere near it. Of course, the magnetron used to drive the lamp ages...
But yeah, OLED age and LCDs don't, but LCD backlights do.
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My guess is that Apple will move to a quantum dot LCD on the iPhone 7. The main tangible advantage of these is that they are more efficient than existing displays that use RGB filters, which will mean they can make the phone a bit thinner (or more battery life, but then again this is Apple). They also can have better colour performance, which I imagine Apple will heavily tout, despite most people not really caring.
After that they will move to OLED, since this will allow them to go even thinner.
For the iPhone 7 I imagine they will:
iPhone 7S will probably just have wireless charging after all these years.
No, I am not. Historically, with CFLs you are right. With LED backlights that became unworkable as reliable self-destruct. Hence OLED (which has a lot lower lifetimes than standard LEDs used in backlights) to the rescue.
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With LED backlights that became unworkable as reliable self-destruct
LED backlights do dim over time. I think the quoted lifetime you get in LED datasheets is the number of hours continuous operation until the LED reaches 50% brighteness.
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They do. But too slowly.
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Apple stopped selling the iPhone 3GS new September 2011. Apple didn't drop support until iOS 7 - introduced September 2013. In fact, Apple released a patch for iOS 6 for the "goto fail" bug February 2014.
Here is the display section of Anandtech's iPhone 6S and 6S+ review.
http://anandtech.com/show/9686...
There is something for everyone there, depending on what metric you think is most important. It seems as though the iPhone 6 has one of the best screens in terms of accuracy, but probably the Samsung Galaxy 6 Edge is the best overall screen.
Here is the Anandtech iPhone 6 review from last year:
http://anandtech.com/show/8554...
At that time, the iPhone had easily the best display on a phone in display accuracy and was quite good at every other characteristic.
The lesson here is that it is probably a good time for Apple to jump off the IPS train.
Dog-cow is the idiot. Math challenged. An OLED bit that is off has literally zero luminance. The same way a 60 watt light bulb with zero current flowing through it has zero luminance. The ratio of an on bit to an off bit is then literally infinite. Infinite in the true mathematical sense.
You can't get that in an LCD due to basic physical reality. Physically realizable LCDs can never block that backlight 100.0%.
I'd lean towards this explanation, and not just in the matter of OLED displays. Over the years, I've noticed a trend of faulty hardware from Samsung. Samsung refrigerator/freezer whose temperature control is prone to go nuts after power outages (usually it stops bothering to cool the contents despite the temerature controls working and showing the current temerature accurately, though on one occasion getting stuck "on" and freezing everything in the fridge. Also, the ice maker ironically freezes up so it can't make ice), camera with a lens/focussing flaw that renders everything outside of a small circle in the center of every photo out-of-focus (sent in in for RMA, got it back unchanged a few weeks later with a note to make sure the battery was fully charged when using, WTF?), Galaxy "Mesmerize" (Galaxy S for US Cellular) whose 3G/wifi/gps/bluetooth radio would regularly completely die until the phone was power-cycled (its replacement actually was okay). My current phone is a Galaxy S4 (running Optimized CyanogenMod 12.1) that I'm actually pretty pleased with, but its USB port failed within a few months and I can't transfer data over it (it still charges and I can easily transfer data via sftp, so I haven't gotten around to getting the $5 replacement port and ripping the phone apart to fix it yet).
Samsung's Quality Control sucks. If I'd had the option of any other rootable phone from another manufacturer when I got the S4 I'd have gone with it instead, but US Cellular's selection is pretty meager. I'm just glad "have to use something other than USB to transfer files" is the only real problem I've had with it.
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That's exactly what I meant.
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This isn't a case of Apple ignoring a better technology. This is a case of them valuing different properties of the display tech and waiting for it to mature.
Several years ago I had a Nexus One. It had an OLED display and it was beautiful... Indoors. OLED has long had issues with readability in sunlight. Bright and vibrant indoors, but unreadable outside.
Apple has instead invested a lot of money into LCD tech to improve it (going to higher resolutions and better LED backlighting).
OLED has matured more now (though I haven't seen a recent display in sunlight I assume some of those issues have been resolved).
This sounds like a company doing the prudent thing instead of just jumping on the latest tech to look cool.
you mean about 2 years after the last one's sold, how interesting
Apple has been trying to play catch up for some time now. When the nice shiny Mac+ came out, that was them (partly) passing the Nexus5 generation. My daughters one seems nearly comparable to my Note4 except that her photos don't seem as sharp as mine.
Perhaps its just the inferior display?
It probably doesn't matter how far they are behind the market leaders. Few people by an iPhone because of its superiority.
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I do not understand what's wrong. Do you want to know which is the best display tech right now and why?
If it's clearly better, why is it not clearly better when two phones are next to each other in regular lighting conditions under regular use?
Downloading special apps and reading spec sheets to find which is theoretically better is a masturbatory act unrelated to which is best.
By your comments, one can only conclude that they are equal, and you have no facts contradicting that, but you prefer OLED.
It's fine to have an opinion, but opinions aren't fact.
I gave you the answers.
You didn't answer what I asked. "How do I tell in a store which is which under normal operating conditions?" isn't answered by "read the spec sheet" or "download a special app".
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Reality isn't making shit up, unless an A/C doesn't like it, then reality is wrong.
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I had my 3G and 3GS confused. The 3G was last sold new June 7 2010, and last update November 22, 2010. It's not like I've touched that phone in years. The kids use it as an iPod touch that's big, heavy, with bad battery life, and can't play many modern apps.
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Apple stopped selling the iPhone 3G June 2010. It had the latest OS until September 2011 when iOS 5 was introduced. Even if you bought a 2 generation old iPhone 3G on the last day it was for sell, you still had 15 months where it had the latest OS.
If by "about two years" you mean 2 and a half years. Then you're right. But let's look at what Apple has done since then....
iPhone 4 - (introduced 6/2010) discontinued 9/2013, had the latest OS until 9/2015
IPhone 4s - (introduced 9/2011) discontinued (9/2014) has the latest OS at least until 9/2016.
Of course every iPhone since the iPhone 4s is still supported.
So if you cared about keeping a phone for as long as possible, why would you buy a 2 generation old phone? If you bought the iPhone 4s the day it went on sell, you would have had 5 years of support. How many Android devices that were introduced in 2011 are still supported by their manufacturer?
that wasnt my point, my original statement which was in question by dog-cow was people ditch their phone after 24 months, you backed that statement up so relax
I didn't say download an app. I said if your eyes and brain are not sensitive enough to see the obvious difference in screen quality, then you can look at a black image so that the difference is most pronounced.
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I did no such thing. Apple supports iPhones a lot longer than 2 years. If a user wants to keep an iPhone longer, they wouldn't buy an iPhone that is already over two years old.
When both are black (turned off) they look identical.
Again, you are being obtuse. The only difference between OLED and LCD in regular use under regular lighting is that one is clearly better. I have some directional cat-5 to sell you.
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Stories like this Slashdot story did not happen when Steve Jobs was running Apple. Why? Jobs was very careful to assure secrecy until he was ready to announce a finished product.
What happened in this case? Apparently someone at Apple was negotiating with LG. From one of the articles: "In light of the decision, South Korea's LG Display is already planning capacity upgrades." Whoever was negotiating didn't make clear that no information should be made public.
There have been other seriously bad communications errors at Apple since Tim Cook has been in charge. Apparently, even though Tim Cook worked with Steve Jobs for years, Mr. Cook did not learn about marketing from Mr. Jobs.
Yeah, the Imam brainwashes his kids about the evils of eating pig so they wouldn't take pork even if offered. That doesn't mean there is anything necessarily wrong with the pork being offered.
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So your argument is that pork is indistinguishable from any other meat? Or are you implying that the only reason my kids don't want my old GS3 is that they recognize OLED and are afraid of it? One of the reasons I bought the GS3 was to have a phone with OLED. It wasn't better than my work phone, an HTC One (an older one, before HTC used OLED). I'm not an Imam teaching a religion. I'm only reporting reality, and that really pisses off the religious spec-worshipers.
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You are displaying a carefully cultivated non-absorption of facts here. E.g. even after being told about the much darker blacks in OLED, you create artificial requirements like "most people" recognizing the difference when screens are put side by side. Now it is common knowledge that "most people" cannot recognize the difference when elementary technical information is required to do so, so this requirement is idiotic. But once that elementary technical knowledge is imparted, it required no special senses to recognize the technical difference e.g. i3 vs i7, and the far easier OLED vs LCD.
Now an irrational dislike is easy to impart to children and amounts to brainwashing, not unlike an Imam's.
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Black != turned off. I don't know why I'm responding to an idiot like you anymore.
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And most people can't tell the difference between a network cable and http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AK... Are you arguing that there is a real difference between those because *you* can tell the difference, even if nobody else can?
Simply put, I went from LCD to OLED and the OLED was not an improvement, then went from OLED to LCD and the LCD was an improvement. That's not just my opinion, but the opinion of everyone that's seen my new phone. So I asked a simple question, and nobody can answer it, though they get quite angry that I'm even asking it.
That makes me push the issue, to see if anyone can actually answer it. So far many are 100% sure I'm wrong, but can't tell me an easy way to see a difference between an OLED phone and LCD phone as displayed in a typical store, side by side. I've compared my current LCD phone to an OLED in a store, and didn't see any difference.
Go on, tell me how to tell. If you can.
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In regular lighting both set to black while on look exactly the same. Perhaps if I were to go to a darkroom and turn both to max brightness to then display a black screen, one may see the difference, but with adaptive screen brightness, both will turn "black" down to the lowest level in a dark room, and LCD is not nearly as bad as asserted here, as the screen on minimum brightness gets minimal light leakage.
Again, all you can present is theoretical differences, thus, I must be deliberately obtuse in any response, as the person I'm responding to was deliberately obtuse in the first place.
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And most people can't tell the difference ....
1. Your method of telling whether something is an improvement or not - i.e. by asking whether "most people" can tell the difference when put side by side or not.
2. You yourself now found out that it is not a good method because it doesn't work with generic network cable and Denon cables.
3. You still don't have an answer about i3 vs i7 - they are distinguishable at a hugely higher effort as compared to OLED vs LCD.
So why don't you accept that it is not a good method at all?
Simply put, I went from LCD to OLED and the OLED was not an improvement, then went from OLED to LCD and the LCD was an improvement
Everything else was same?
Even if it was, your method of telling whether something is an improvement is massively idiotic - i.e. by asking "most people" to tell the difference when put side by side.
but can't tell me an easy way to see a difference between an OLED phone and LCD phone as displayed
I already told here. So yours is not only a carefully cultivated ignorance but painstakingly cultivated one.
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You still don't have an answer about i3 vs i7
Ah, so you lie to support your position. I answered that, you just feed lies and insults. You can't tell them apart either, or you'd have an answer. I have mine in your inability to answer my simple question (aside from breaking open an display unit and hooking up power meters to it, or running special apps to display test patterns that would highlight differences - both proof that the display itself isn't very different).
As you refuse to answer the question, and just hurl insults, I'm done. But thanks for such a long argument when you clearly agree with me, as you haven't contradicted me once, just insulted and argued. I'm sorry that reality doesn't agree with your opinion, but when the two conflict, holding on to your opinion is a mental illness, and I have no time for willful idiots like yourself. This would have been much easier if you had just told the truth, as all your answers are summed up by "they are the same, but I prefer OLED for reasons I can't articulate".
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You can't tell them apart either, or you'd have an answer
I cannot tell them apart when put side by side. That is the whole point - telling 2 things apart when put side by side is a stupid metric. Why do you insist on this metric?
aside from breaking open an display unit and hooking up power meters to it, or running special apps to display test patterns that would highlight differences - both proof that the display itself isn't very different).
Darker blacks?
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Ah, hear that, AC?
You're holding the wrong OLED screen, you idiot.
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Dog-cow is the idiot. Math challenged. An OLED bit that is off has literally zero luminance. The same way a 60 watt light bulb with zero current flowing through it has zero luminance. The ratio of an on bit to an off bit is then literally infinite. Infinite in the true mathematical sense.
You can't get that in an LCD due to basic physical reality. Physically realizable LCDs can never block that backlight 100.0%.
So according to you, an OLED screen where white is barely visible still has infinite contrast. Yeah, if I only looked at numbers, I'd buy that.