Companies Want To Insert Ads Into Unicode (thenextweb.com)

AmiMoJo writes: Food company Nestle has started a petition to get a KitKat emoji into the Unicode standard. They aren't alone, Taco Bell wants a taco emoji added, and Durex suggested adding a condom. While the latter two are at least generic, KitKat is a trademark of Nestle and the "break" image a key part of their marketing. Next year Unicode will include a faceplam emoji (U+1F926) for occasions such as this.

Comments

Sure

[Anonymous Coward]

Just assign the images, trademarks and logos over to the public domain and we are done.

Re:Sure

[Anonymous Coward]

Would be great if it worked like this.
But more than likely in the future people working on fonts will have to purchase a license to create an appropriate kitkat(tm) emojii.

Re:Sure

[wolfgang.groiss]

I, for one, welcome tons of fonts with inappropriate(TM) kitkat emojii.

Re:Sure

[Anonymous Coward]

I was thinking the same thing.
It's kind of like saying, sure you can, as soon as h*** freezes over.

Standards are supposed to be a bit of give and take.
But I suspect these folks are all take and no give.
Which is a blatent mis-use of a standards body.

It is not the normal way the trademark system works,
but each trademark owner is certainly within their rights to give their trademark to the public in exchange for the standards activity.
So yes, is certainly could work this way.
I just don't see it happening in the Universe.

Re:Sure

[Coren22]

Gimme a break with a picture of a broken leg?

Re:Sure

[unixisc]

I, for one, welcome tons of fonts with inappropriate(TM) kitkat emojii.

Fonts would have been one thing. Unicode now has gazillions of characters for all sorts of stupid reasons. It was good when the idea was to encode the scripts of all languages, including presumably dead languages. Even emojis I can take. But now they have different characters for different complexions of emojis - something that should be a font, rather than a character change.

Re:Sure

[penguinoid]

Useless new emojis are for :cow: Moo, :cow2:, moo.

Re:Sure

[MightyMartian]

In the future we'll have to purchase a license to breathe, as Rightscorp will have bought perpetual rights to oxygen.

Re:Sure

[Carewolf]

Just assign the images, trademarks and logos over to the public domain and we are done.

Considering they are trademarks, just asking for their inclusion into a generic set of symbol kind of suggest the owners DO believe they are now generic. I think they might have forgotten that also makes them lose all protection.

Re:Sure

[ericloewe]

Who needs cow emojis if you have cowsay?

Re:Sure

[uninformedLuddite]

I think your close. Maybe a global currency that is based not on gold but on carbon use allowance would work.

So?

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't see a problem with having yet another useless character that few people will ever use. However, the use of a grassroots petitioning service like change.org to advance a corporate agenda is much more troubling and a very cynical move by (well-known evildoers) Nestle.

Re: So?

[AvitarX]

I'd totally use condom and taco emoji.

Re:So?

[Coren22]

If you feel so strongly about his, perhaps you should open a competing petition stating that Nestle should not be allowed to force their trademark into the Unicode database without also having to give up the trademark. The proper way to fight an inappropriate petition is to file a competing petition, not bitch about it as an AC on Slashdot.

Re: So?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd totally use condom and taco emoji.

Together? Because we all know what looks like taco...

Re: So?

[ColdWetDog]

Together?

No, don't tell us.

Re: So?

[AvitarX]

Aside from adding a fish before a taco to be dirty.

Both are useful for booty call prep conversation. You must offer to bring both tacos and condoms, thems the rules.

Re: So?

[ravenscar]

Someone else is familiar with the exploits of Motley Crue.

Re: So?

[bill_mcgonigle]

uh, we're on a site founded by CmdrTaco.

Re: So?

[Darinbob]

Commanders?

fuck emojis

[Anonymous Coward]

The additional code to load them for display on the web is just more bloat on the page.

U+1F926

[LordWabbit2]

U+1F926

Re:U+1F926

[MachineShedFred]

I prefer U+1F595

unicode should NOT

[strstr]

have a condom. that's mind control. nor should there be a taco. that's like trying to get people to think condoms are normal to talk about, use, whatnot and that taco's are a food worth eating and discussing over other foods.

the media blitz from this is what they're also after. just by the fact that these idiot companies made the suggestion to add these emojis, now there will be tons of discussion within the tech related community using the name "taco bell" and "durex" and "nestle and KitKat."

that's mind control. they're getting the free press and putting all these ideas in peoples head. they already won. even if those emoji's don't get put into Unicode.

obamasweapon.com

Re:unicode should NOT

[Anonymous Coward]

Someone should have used a condom they fucked your mom.

Re:unicode should NOT

[strstr]

think about how the history books will be cooked if any of these emoji's are accepted.

"Durex is responsible for the condom emoji, Taco Bell/Pizza Hut/KFC for the Taco emoji, Nestle for the KitKat emoji."

The outcome is set in stone even if the emoji's are rejected and the corporations knew this would happen,

"Durex once suggested a condom emoji which was rejected, Taco Bell/Pizza Hut/KFC suggested a Taco emoji which was rejected, Nestle suggested a KitKat emoji which was rejected..."

alternatively if any of these items do get added one day because of the people in charge of Unicode character selection have made this a corporate game, they'll go

"a condom was added but it's not the first time it was suggested. Durex was the first group to recommend the addition. a Taco was added but believe it or not, Taco Bell, KFC, and Pizza Hut was responsible for the idea decades ago. the new KitKat Unicode character was introduced, after Nestle struggled to have it added for years. thank Unicode for making it difficult. Time to remove control of Unicode from the standards bodies and give it to corporate Big Media, which 6 companies own and control 90% of."

obamasweapon.com

Re:unicode should NOT

[mwvdlee]

If religious symbols can be included, any attempt to ban characters because of "mind control" is invalid.

Re: unicode should NOT

[AvitarX]

I'd like both a condom and a taco emoji.

They're both useful in the same sentance about a booty call even.

What I really want though is a bat, there's two fucking rabbits, but no bat.

Re:unicode should NOT

[wonkey_monkey]

What's the Unicode for "tinfoil hat"?

Re:unicode should NOT

[TeknoHog]

Emojis are great for very young kids who either cannot write, or are too embarrassed to write out certain words in full. So I agree that there's no need for a unicode condom.

Re:unicode should NOT

[strstr]

a satellite interferometry scan of your balls even in your home, in violation of Kyllo v United States is why you wear tin foil hats. :)

Re:unicode should NOT

[U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M]

Is there Unicode characters for the FSM and IPU? If not, that's just religious discrimination!

Re:unicode should NOT

[Zero__Kelvin]

" that's like trying to get people to think condoms are normal to talk about,"

Yeah man. I mean what kind of sicko thinks that it is normal to discuss sex. It's so ... unnatural!

Re:unicode should NOT

[Zero__Kelvin]

"think about how the history books will be cooked if any of these emoji's are accepted."

I'd be willing to bet you they would look exactly the same. Think about it. No history class is going to go into such fine detail that it discusses this particular "event", regardless of the outcome. You might see it mentioned in a computer class, but certainly not in history class.

Re:unicode should NOT

[Zero__Kelvin]

"If religious symbols can be included, any attempt to ban characters because of "mind control" is invalid."

That's a joke right. A lot of people would define religion as a form of mind control.

Re:unicode should NOT

[strstr]

do you realize that history books could be a reference to any type of article on the internet, whatever type of reference it is, like a time machine, a Wikipedia article, a news article some stupid ass news organization writes, etc?

derp!

Re:unicode should NOT

[Anonymous Coward]

Sex is not unnatural, condom is.

Re:unicode should NOT

[Anonymous Coward]

Modded -1 Whoosh.

Where to put them

[Alain Williams]

If they do, then assign them at code points starting: U+110000. That will teach them to keep marketing out of international standards.

slowpoke.jpg?

[Lunix Nutcase]

There already is a taco emoji. It's in Unicode 8.0.

Re:slowpoke.jpg?

[EvilSS]

There already is a taco emoji. It's in Unicode 8.0.

The Taco Bell petition was from 2014 before it was added. Whoever submitted the summary wasn't paying attention I guess.

Re:slowpoke.jpg?

[Anonymous Coward]

There already is a taco emoji. It's in Unicode 8.0.

And what does a taco emoji have to do with Taco Bell?

FWIW, anyone who's ever eaten at Taco Bell knows they already have an emoji.

Re:slowpoke.jpg?

[Anonymous Coward]

What the fuck is wrong with those corporations? Eyes and laughing mouth on a pile of shit. What the fuck.

Re:slowpoke.jpg?

[bmk67]

Furthermore, what precisely does Taco Bell have to do with tacos? You certainly can't get one there.

Time to fork unicode

[Anonymous Coward]

This is pure rubbish. We dont need more crap gunking things up. Make advertising illegal.

Re:Time to fork unicode

[swb]

http://emojipedia.org/fork-and...

It's got a knife, too, but you might say it's already been forked.

Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Parker Lewis]

Can someone explain me why emojis are in Unicode at all?

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[undecim11]

Japan

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Anonymous Coward]

Because the newest generation likes to express themselves differently than the dinosaurs...

Believe me the demand is there, just because you can't comprehend it doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[gnupun]

Why does software have icons in the toolbar? Why do smartphone apps need icons, instead of just text? The reason is icons are just quicker to comprehend, once you're familiar with them.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[AmiMoJo]

They are a common form of written communication in the modern world, and Unicode aims to encode all forms of written communication.

Emoji are quite useful. Text doesn't convey tone very well, so adding an emoji to clarify often helps. Unicode also encodes many useful symbols. A bar and triangle seems to be pretty universally understood to mean "play/pause", for example.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[tepples]

Because Unicode aims to be a superset of all national character sets. Some emojis, such as the card suits and the smiley face, date back to code page 437 on the IBM PC from the early 1980s, where they were encoded at 01h-06h. The Miscellaneous Symbols largely derive from Wingdings.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[OzPeter]

Can someone explain me why emojis are in Unicode at all?

What emojis? People keep sending me texts that my RAZR flip phone* renders as solid white boxes.

Now get off my lawn

* I actually do use an original RAZR flip phone that is going on 7 years old now. It makes phone calls.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Parker Lewis]

ROAAAARRRRR!

I can comprehend the demand, just cannot comprehend why insert in Unicode table. It's used for "official", spoken charset languages, not trend.

Can you realize how bad will if we got the 90's emoticons on it, then after they got no more used, inflate Unicode with all the internet 2000's expressions too, and then very new decade, the new trend inflating Unicode after the old one got no more used?

Why not keep Unicode for the languages charsets, and create a separate table for this kind of demand?

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Anonymous Coward]

Text doesn't convey tone very well, so adding an emoji to clarify often helps.

Until the sender and recipient use different font, which may change the emojis subtly and thus affect the tone. That may lead to severe misunderstandings.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[TWX]

Because the newest generation likes to express themselves differently than the dinosaurs...

Believe me the demand is there, just because you can't comprehend it doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.

I'm sure that lots of people disagree with me, but historically the most creative writing emerged when base words and concepts were generally not acceptable in speech. Sure, it's censorship, but on the other hand, you don't find Shakespeare to simply be dialogue loaded-down with vulgar words either, and when vulgarities are employed, sparingly, they are highly effective.

Emojis are a form of base communications, when one does not take the time to express one's self properly. That doesn't mean that there isn't a place for them, but it isn't unfair to judge people by their choice to use them instead of the express themselves otherwise.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[NMBob]

They like to be less precise/more vague so there's plausible deniability when they go for a job interview. Or maybe they CAN'T be more precise/less vague. Hmmm.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Parker Lewis]

I'm not arguing against emojis. Why insert emojis, or software icons, or smartphone app icons in Unicode at all and not in a separate table?

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[TWX]

Iconography for a rote function (ie, saving a document or dialing a telephone call) is not the same as attempting to use iconography to convey a complex thought. Look at Egyptian writing; either the concepts are very simple or else a LOT of icons are needed to express a complex thought.

We teach young children through simple picture concepts because they're too young to understand the nuances of complex concepts. It'd be a shame if we don't continue to evolve concepts past the point of images as people grow.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Anonymous Coward]

Emoji are quite useful. Text doesn't convey tone very well, so adding an emoji to clarify often helps.

Fuck off! Learn to read and write then text will convey tone quite clear.
See, I don't need an emoji to convey tone.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[beelsebob]

Why have a separate table, when we've already learnt that having multiple glyph lookup tables is a terrible idea, and leads to no one being able to figure out which lookup table to use for a particular file. Unicode has plenty of room for all forms of written communication (hyroglyphics/emojis included), so use the one single table that we have pretty much standardised, and move on.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[GuB-42]

To unify things like Japanese emoji, Wingdings, Webdings, ... that previously used proprietary codepages and saw enough use to be included into Unicode.
For the Japanese, not including emoji would have been a deal breaker for using standard Unicode in text messages.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Anonymous Coward]

I can comprehend the demand, just cannot comprehend why insert in Unicode table. It's used for "official", spoken charset languages, not trend.

Um. I think you mean Unicode is for written languages; (primarily) as it does include a number of non-"natural" languages (artificial or constructed languages) such as International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA), programming languages (APL) and dingbats (printer's ornament).

Given that it has support for a huge number of languages including numerous ancient (i.e. dead) languages the bloating argument is nonsense.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Anonymous Coward]

Because the newest generation likes to express themselves differently than the dinosaurs...

Believe me the demand is there, just because you can't comprehend it doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.

Oh, I think I comprehend it just fine.

It's just that I gave up using drooling gestures and piles of poop for communicating when I was about two. In favor of things called "words".

But hey, if you can't use your words yet, that's OK too.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm with you bro. Adding emoji to Unicode makes about as much sense as adding new letters to the alphabet, and nobody seems to feel any great need to do that. Or maybe the marketing goons just haven't figured out who to pay to make that happen.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Falos]

1 - This is a sobering reminder that whatever device you're using ("current rendering environment"?), any device, will have an easier time handling a goddamn image than dicking around with unicode.

2 - I miss my flip. The gentle wrist snap in particular.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[ljw1004]

Can someone explain me why emojis are in Unicode at all?

So that people can exchange written communication in a standard way, interoperable among vendors and software systems.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Anonymous Coward]

Does "learning to read and write" include the difference between adjectives and adverbs?

Re: Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Anonymous Coward]

1) for communications with the preliterate
2) to communicate with foreigners where there's no common language
3) to be consistent with similar concepts like hieroglyphs, Wingdings, and ideographic languages.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Anonymous Coward]

They serve a purpose outside text communication, though:
Using unicode symbols is a nice way of getting icons (for map symbols or transport guides or food categories or what have you) without having to special-case in inline images, bundling said images, and/or making roughly a million HTTP requests to fetch said images.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Anonymous Coward]

You're arguing against "let's communicate in pictures", not the more relevant "let's use the already existing and widely supported codepoint system to track standard icons".

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Anonymous Coward]

Can you explain why they wouldn't be?

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M]

Would have been funnier as:

Because Japan.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[PPH]

original RAZR flip phone

Has icons to indicate secure/unsecure calls and data connections. Like when the local cops fire up their Stingray to listen in on calls.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M]

It is, of course, well known that careless talk costs lives, but the full scale of the problem is not always appreciated. For instance, at the very moment that Arthur Dent said, “I seem to be having this tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle” a freak wormhole opened up in the fabric of the space-time continuum and carried his words far, far back in time across almost infinite reaches of space, to a distance galaxy where strange and war-like beings were poised on the brink of frightful interstellar battle. The two opposing leaders were meeting for the last time, and a dreadful silence fell across the conference table, as the commander of the Vl’hurgs, resplendent in his black jewelled battle shorts, gazed levelly at the G’gugvuntt leader squatting opposite him in a cloud of green, sweet-smelling steam, and, with a million sleek and horribly beweaponed star cruisers poised to unleash electric death at his single word of command, challenged the vile creature to take back what it had said about his mother. The creature stirred in his sickly broiling vapor and at the very moment the words “I seem to be having this tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle” drifted across the conference table. Unfortunately, in the Vl’hurg tongue this was the most dreadful insult imaginable, and there was nothing for it but to wage terrible war. Eventually of course, it was realised that the whole thing had been a ghastly mistake and so the two opposing battle fleets settled their few remaining differences in order to launch a joint attack on our galaxy - now positively identified as the source of the offending remark. For thousands more years the mighty starships tore across the empty wastes of space and finally dived screaming on to the planet Earth-where, due to a terrible miscalculation of scale, the entire battle fleet was accidentally swallowed by a small dog. Those who study the complex interplay of cause and effect in the history of the universe say that this sort of thing is going on all the time, but are powerless to prevent it. “It’s just life,” they say. Meanwhile, Arthur Dent is about to discover the answer to the disturbing question posed in last week’s instalment: Are his companions, Ford, Zaphod, and Trillian lying, bleeding to death in a subterranean corridor, or have they merely slipped out for a quick meal somewhere?

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[PPH]

Japan

And yet no schoolgirl/cephalopod emoji.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Bradmont]

I realise you were speaking with disdain (which I agree with), but to give a serious answer to the question, there's a Computerphile video that explains it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[TWX]

Good design in the past meant that a designer used elements from a common pool. Icons, list bullets, etc that were images were not re-sourced every single time they were displayed across multiple pages, they were sourced the first time the page loaded and then cached and reused.

Web designers need to go back to the low-bandwidth model. They need to be forced to using ISDN (128kb) speeds to make the framework of their pages efficient before they start filling-in the meat of the pages with content. If the framework without content takes significant time to load, even without a character-set full of garbage to pull from, then the designer needs to rethink the design.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[TWX]

I those icons weren't pictures I might agree with you.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Anonymous Coward]

That is to say, that Unicode wanted to be compatible with (most) previous encoding systems, including EUC-JP and SHIFT-JIS.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Anonymous Coward]

It's worse that that. People keep sending me messages that display white boxes on my six month old Android phone with the latest OS update!

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Solandri]

ASCII is 7-bit so only supports 128 different characters. Unicode was made to encompass all character sets of all languages, so is 16-bit, supporting 65535 characters. It has since been expanded with 16 "planes" (4 extra bits), giving a total of over 1 million characters. That's considerably more than all the character sets of all the languages on Earth (even including Chinese), so there is a lot of extra room to do silly things with. Computer data storage has become so cheap that it doesn't cost you much to store all the extra graphics of emojis.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Anonymous Coward]

1. If you're still using something truly ancient like a flip phone, chances are that I don't care if you can see it, because you're using irrelevant ancient crap.

2. Yuck. I don't miss those crappy things at all. I used to have a bag phone. I don't miss it either. Things are better now.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[gnupun]

ie, saving a document

This is a good idea. We need emojis for file open, save, cut, copy, paste etc. (if not already present).

is not the same as attempting to use iconography to convey a complex thought.

There's nothing complex about a KitKat or McDonald's emoji logo. It's just a blatant ad right inside your content and therefore should be banned. Everything in the world is regulated to some extent, except ads. Are politicians getting paid to ignore the loud, annoying, irritating content they call ads that in actuality should be classified as audio/visual harassment?

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Thud457]

Things are better now.

You mean like how the iPhone now needs 12 sub-keyboards for its texting app, 9 of which are emoji crap?
And that doesn't even scratch the surface of Unicode space, so this is completely pointless anyhow.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Kjella]

Can you realize how bad will if we got the 90's emoticons on it, then after they got no more used, inflate Unicode with all the internet 2000's expressions too, and then very new decade, the new trend inflating Unicode after the old one got no more used?

So we have like ~120000 characters defined with about a million to spare in UTF-8 and we could increase that to a billion by going back to the original specification. We could give every CJK glyph and every word in the oxford dictionary an emoji with plenty room to spare. What exactly would be "so bad"?

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[omnichad]

But emoji have no specific implementation. Just look at emojipedia and all the variations across platforms. You can't design on that basis. Though most browsers don't have native support for emoji anyway.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Darinbob]

Makes sense, since Unicode screwed over Japanese characters, so this is their revenge.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Darinbob]

The question is not so much why not have a standardization of emojis. But instead why does this standard have to be Unicode? It's nonsensical because emojis are not characters and not used as characters. May as well have standardized under any random standard and screwed that up instead; add emojis to MPEG maybe.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Darinbob]

What is "so good" that it deserves corrupting an existing standard before it has even gotten around to completing its original goal?

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Blaskowicz]

I don't like flip phones so much, that's why there are non-flip dumb phones. GSM and SMS don't get outdated, smartphones do.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[antdude]

Same in old Windows like 7, XP, etc. :P

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[theCoder]

Because every font created would have to (or is at least supposed to) support all of those glyphs! Not only is that more work for the font designers, it increases the size of the font files themselves. Throw in kerning tables which have to pair every glyph with every other glyph, and you have a O(n^2) increasing size.

Clearly not all glyphs are supported in all fonts (which is why I see boxes with hex characters in them all over the web). And there are probably ways to leave out kerning entries, too. But still, every additional glyph added causes more work for fonts. Essentially, instead of having a Wingdings font, we have put Wingdings into ALL fonts. That's why it is bad.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[PPalmgren]

I've found one surprisingly useful aspect of emojis. Emojis tend to be visual representations of actual things or feelings, whereas letters or glyphs are visual representations of a language. This means Emojis are actually one level removed from language, allowing them to be used easily across languages by people who could struggle communicating.

Texting or IMing someone who speaks another language and adding emojis actually makes it significantly easier to communicate. For example, a messaging conversation at work can go much smoother with someone from S.A. who has poor English if you add smileys every so often indicating your mood. It may seem unprofessional, but it can actually provide information someone couldn't process otherwise because of lack of familiarity in the language.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Anonymous Coward]

Those are not emojis.

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[tepples]

What's the difference between the smiling face at 01h in cp437 and emojis?

Re:Why emojis/emoticons are in Unicode?

[Falos]

The flip was a negligible point of idle nostalgia, whereas I am perfectly capable of appreciating the increased functionalities of my humble Galaxy Alpha, thanks. I'll try to be considerate enough not to reminisce about trivial quirks around you in the future.

My observation was about a bit of compatibility-vs-hypestatus contradiction, not "relevance". The your subordinate submission to my desk of authorized judgement is beneath me and _dismissed_ card is really weird to pick in a context of deliberately submitting emoji to someone. Actually it's a pathetic card to play at all, every time I've seen it.

This

[Anonymous Coward]

This is why I hate Emojis.

Seriously, they were a bad idea to begin with. Then the politically correct nazis started getting upset about them. And now this.

None of this should be in Unicode. If you want stupid little graphics in your text, then use stupid little graphics.

Re:This

[BarbaraHudson]

More of an argument for going back in time to plain ascii for most of us.

Re:This

[Anonymous Coward]

You must be kidding. ASCII isn't even sufficient to write English, let alone the many other languages which genuinely benefit from being typeable.

Re:This

[MightyYar]

Any non-alphabetic language is basically emoji. Think of unicode emojis as a kind of universal Chinese if it makes you feel any better.

Re:This

[BarbaraHudson]

You must be kidding. ASCII isn't even sufficient to write English, let alone the many other languages which genuinely benefit from being typeable.

Strange, I never had a problem with it, and the abc's taught in English classes are a subset of it. Also, you didn't seem to have a problem expressing your thoughts in English, without unicode :-)

Code pages were a much simpler solution that worked.

Re:This

[Anonymous Coward]

>ASCII isn't even sufficient to write English
I'm curious to see your argument for this. I imagine your examples will consist of Old-English, ligatures/digraphs, and words like naif with the diareses/umlaut over the i. All of which would be lame examples, because the english form of those words is understood perfectly well with ascii.
You might even count words adopted from non-english languages, I don't.

Re:This

[Anonymous Coward]

Try the noun "résumé" with only ASCII to work with. No, it is not the verb "resume".

The code pages of which you speak are an attempt to cater for the shortcomings of ASCII. Unicode is code pages, just very big ones everyone can agree on.

Re:This

[Anonymous Coward]

You must be kidding. ASCII isn't even sufficient to write English, let alone the many other languages which genuinely benefit from being typeable.

ASCII: American Standard Code for Information Interchange

I'm sure it covers English very well.

Re:This

[Anonymous Coward]

Code pages didn't work all the time. Trying to display multiple languages on the same page was a big problem, for example, and there are legitimate cases where this is desirable/necessary

Re:This

[BarbaraHudson]

Code Page 437 (the original DOS) handles the accented e just fine (hold down the alt key and type 130 on the number pad if you don't have an international keyboard. Still works on Windows to this day. é

The idea behind code pages was to be able to express every character concisely in one byte. Unicode is a total failure at this. Worse, since character entities take up a variable amount of space, it makes it easier for programmers to not allocate enough buffer space to store unicode strings.

Re:This

[Darinbob]

Basically the excuses given are the cases of loan words. Which is why we should always spell pyjamas using a Sanscrit font.

Re:This

[Darinbob]

Except this is not really true. While each Chinese character was originally an idea or concept, this is not how they are generally used today, as the combination is more than just the original ideas mushed together. But it's what we tell school children to make a complex idea look simpler so that they stop asking annoying questions. In Japanese the original meaning of the Chinese character is quite often far removed from how it is actually used, because historically the characters were chosen partly for their sound as much as for the idea whereas over time the sound and meanings evolved. Much like how we can speak in English despite not knowing the original Greek or Latin root words.

And besides, Chinese characters are used to create words and communicate concepts whereas emojis are used as humorous inserts. It's a mini-game to look up and choose what emoji might work in a given situation, and a mini-game to try and decode what the sender actually intended. They have not risen to the level of language. Anyone who seems to be taking them seriously is probably just a lot more subtle about the humor than most.

Re:This

[Blaskowicz]

Code pages mismatched between the Windows GUI and the Windows command line so that's not a very good record here. Yes, the Windows console under XP not just DOS programs.
I've tried a dir /o > file.txt on Windows 7 : you get garbage for such characters as à é à ö ç like in the old days.
Explorer.exe does display the file names correctly, oddly. (I created them with "copy nul" which creates empty files)

Re:This

[MightyYar]

I think you are stretching. Chinese writing has been around a very long time and has an extensive collection of glyphs. While what you say is true, my basic premise still holds - the concept between Chinese glyphs and emoji is not just similar, but the same. Emojis are just more realistic because they are not limited by writing implements of 3000 years ago, or the need to "write" them at all.

Real-life example: I work with Hong Kong (Cantonese) and Taiwan (Mandarin-ish) Chinese guys. We're all sitting at a restaurant in Taiwan with Koreans. Everyone at the table can speak English except for the Cantonese speakers. The solution? They would write in Chinese, the writing could be read by the Mandarin speakers and then translated to English for everyone else. When we needed to speak to the Hong Kong guys, the process was reversed and they would read the glyphs written by the Taiwanese guys. It kind of blew my mind, that these guys could communicate without speaking a common language - but that's the reality.

Re:This

[Anonymous Coward]

CP437 is 8-bit. ASCII is 7-bit and doesn't include an accented e...

Re:This

[Darinbob]

But can you communicate with emojis? I mean really communicate beyond "I'm happy", "that was funny", "you're a dick", etc?

The Chinese writing system was developed and advanced in order to keep the empire together, so that officials from different provinces could understand each other in writing even if they couldn't understand when speaking to each other. But emojis were never designed to do that, they were just an expansion of the smiley face concept, used to express an emotional state that may be not seen in the actual words. They're the equivalent of the hand drawn hearts put on love letters.

Re:This

[MightyYar]

They have nouns and verbs. I'm not well versed in the emoji kung-fu (I'm too old), but I've seen strings on them on Facebook that have meaning. Like a cow followed by a turd. A birthday cake for happy birthday. That sort of thing. The character set is less than 1000 - and as you point out, has a totally different origin. When it hits 8,000 it will be up to a literate Chinese level, 20,000 or so to meet parity.

(I'm not suggesting emoji will ever become a full-blown language. I'm just pointing out that an ad-hoc collection of little glyphs with no alphabet can in fact become one. Dismissing glyphs as "stupid little graphics" is arbitrary since they are clearly filling a communications need.)

Re:This

[BarbaraHudson]

Easy solution - don't use Windows :-)

Re:This

[BarbaraHudson]

Extended ASCII is 8 bit :-)

U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[tepples]

That's why U+1F36B is a generic chocolate bar rather than a HERSHEY'S® bar.

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[mwvdlee]

This.

Unless the kitkat shape is a generic, non-patented, non-trademarked, non-copyrighted design, it should not be included.

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[OzPeter]

That's why U+1F36B is a generic chocolate bar rather than a HERSHEY'S® bar.

Given that Hershey's is a disgusting concoction that barely resembles real chocolate I am happy that the emoji for a chocolate bar is generic.

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[mwvdlee]

I spoke too soon.
The proposed misappropriation of the word "break" is plain and pure evil.

If "apple" were to be included in UTF-8, it should be a generic apple-shaped fruit symbol, not the computer brand trademark.

Similarly, any "break" symbol, if adopted in UTF-8 in the proposed context of "a small time-out in between work", should be a generic symbol indicating such, not one indicating a specific brands' marketing campaign.

Douglas Adams' described marketeers best: "A bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes".

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[AmiMoJo]

We should allow it as long as the Unicode Consortium makes a royalty-free penis emoji an acceptable alternate rendering. That way when you send someone one, you never know if you are sending them a KitKat or a dick pic.

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[tepples]

If "apple" were to be included in UTF-8, it should be a generic apple-shaped fruit symbol, not the computer brand trademark.

Exactly: see U+1F34E Red Apple and U+1F34F Green Apple even in Apple's emoji font. They're encoded next to other foods. And instead of Twitter's logo, we get a generic U+1F426 Bird even in the Twemoji font.

Re: U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[Bing Tsher E]

Apple is in the character set. The autocorrect on my Windows phone using Internet Explorer popped up an Apple emoticon just now while I was entering this message.

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[Coren22]

Come on, we must be gender neutral, it should be a hand flicking someone off. Everyone has a middle finger, we can't leave out the women!

Re: U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[Anonymous Coward]

The Apple logo is not in the character set, what is, is , which is a "private use" symbol, and is recommended to be used for your Operating System's logo. It will render as an Apple logo on iOS/OS X, and as the Windows logo on Windows.

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[tepples]

it should be a hand flicking someone off. Everyone has a middle finger

Please see my reply to Anonymous Coward.

Re: U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[Anonymous Coward]

They even got the Apple key in! They're trying to pass it off as a PLACE OF INTEREST SIGN. Oh and guess who else got their logo into Unicode: U+0FD5

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[Anonymous Coward]

because nobody else in the world eats chocolate bars except fat fucking merkins.

Re: U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[hackertourist]

No "trying to pass it off". The Nordic countries have been using this symbol since the 1960s, predating Apple's use of this symbol for the Command key.

Re: U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[Anonymous Coward]

Place of interest: where a gigant whoooosh was heard.

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[Zaowulf]

Now you're discriminating against amputees. You sexist monster.

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[tepples]

Now you're discriminating against amputees. You sexist monster.

Unicode has U+26C4 Pale Man Without Legs.

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[KGIII]

I am not logged in but, in a recent thread, I went to Google and poked around. You can include emoji in URLs now! It is awesome. Well, useless but neat. I found one that had a hot dog in it.

Go to:
http://graphemica.com/search?q...

Note the bottom-most symbol (a pear). Note the URL. It's got the pear in it! No, no, I don't have anything salient to say but I had not been keeping up on such developments and was kind of surprised to see it and I amused myself with it for far longer than is probably healthy. But, I had fun.

(Screw it, I logged in. Now to unpack the rest of my stuff.)

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[Megane]

You won't see that because Apple already squatted on U+F8FF at the end of the Private Use Area. But that's what happens when you sell your own computers with your own operating system. Let's see KitKat fork BSD with their own UI on top and then we can talk.

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[youngatheart]

"First we thought the PC was a calculator. Then we found out how to turn numbers into letters with ASCII â" and we thought it was a typewriter. Then we discovered graphics, and we thought it was a television. With the World Wide Web, we've realized it's a brochure." - Douglas Adams

Re: U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh and guess who else got their logo into Unicode: U+0FD5

Well, they are one of the largest ISPs in America.

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[Sun]

A friend who worked for a company that was sold to Apple told me about an email their HR sent out. It went something like this:
Many people use the Apple logo in their email. Please note that people not using an Apple email program are unable to see it properly. For everyone else, this works fine.

Shachar

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[Anonymous Coward]

You won't see that because Apple already squatted on U+F8FF at the end of the Private Use Area. [harvard.edu] But that's what happens when you sell your own computers with your own operating system. Let's see KitKat fork BSD with their own UI on top and then we can talk.

But KitKat is a fork of Android!

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[Anonymous Coward]

Not sure why your post was marked off topic.

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[KGIII]

That? Oh, it's my stalker. Don't mind them. I kind of admire the attention and the ability to control them. If they waste their mod points on me then, by all means, they're just wasted - I've got karma boost enabled just to spite 'em and 'cause I like poking things that think they're important. They used to get five mod points but now they get three. I assume they've been whacked with meta-moderation and it will be a sad day when their mod points are no more and they'll need to resort to going back to telling me to go away. (They really do hate my off-topic novellas which I'm certainly guilty of and take great pleasure in writing - and some find them amusing/insightful.)

Anyhow, it's not really a big deal and I don't mind. It gives them something harmful to do. On the other hand, if they can encapsulate this idea as an emoji then I'll be impressed.

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[Mattcelt]

You're looking in the wrong place. The Hershey's(R) bar is in the "wax" section.

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[Anonymous Coward]

Hershey's is far from disgusting. While it may not be the smug 5000$ per pound European concoction conjured up by wizards over ten thousand years ago purely for the purpose of showing the natives how savage they truly are, it still tastes quite good. Far from disgusting. I would choose to eat it over many things. I would not choose to eat something disgusting unless I was starving.

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[srmalloy]

I would not choose to eat something disgusting unless I was starving.

It is for that reason that I keep a bag of chocolate-covered kale in a cabinet at work. It is a perfect choice for a last-ditch absolute emergency chocolate fix, because I know that no one in their right mind would raid the cabinet and eat it if there was any chocolate anywhere else in the facility. Or, likely, in the entire city.

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[Darinbob]

The whole concept of emojis in Unicode is a stupid idea. Put emojis into their own standard, separate and distinct from fonts.

Re: U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[Bing Tsher E]

I didn't say or mean that the Apple logo is in the character set.

I said apple is in the character set. Apple Computer doesn't 'own' the word apple.

Re:U+1F36B Chocolate Bar

[RockDoctor]

it should be a hand flicking someone off. Everyone has a middle finger, we can't leave out the women!

Your sentiment is fair, but you're still wrong. Not everyone has a middle finger.

The site's safety officer is actually running a "topic of the month" on keeping your fucking fingers away from loads being moved by cranes, and the "hammer it home message" is photos of lots of hands with 4.5, 4 or 3 fingers left on the hand.

Actually, now that I remember it, I used to work with an instrument technician who had 2 fingers left on his left hand. He used to collect used shell casings (as in "artillery", not as in "handgun") and one still had some of the bursting charge left in it, so he started to melt the TNT out (which isn't as mad as it sounds - TNT is normally melted into shell casings). It was educational. He uses long tongs these days.

U+1F595 Middle Finger Extended

[tepples]

The additional code to load them for display on the web

...is no more than the existing code to display any other glyph in a font. But in any case, perhaps U+1F595 Reversed Hand With Middle Finger Extended might be more to your liking.

Re:U+1F595 Middle Finger Extended

[wonkey_monkey]

The additional code to load them for display on the web

...is no more than the existing code to display any other glyph in a font. But in any case, perhaps U+1F595 Reversed Hand With Middle Finger Extended might be more to your liking.

Oh look, none of my otherwise up-to-date browsers display that glyph, despite it being from 2014. So what do websites have to do to give their users what they want (which is apparently emojis)? That's right, web fonts and/or Javascript libraries to render them.

Re:U+1F595 Middle Finger Extended

[tepples]

Likewise, if you don't have any Korean fonts installed on your PC, you need "web fonts and/or Javascript libraries to render" Korean characters.

Re:U+1F595 Middle Finger Extended

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, but only old people read Korean.

Faceplam indeed

[gQuigs]

I do wonder if they can get a Picard specific facepalm one...

Obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Re:Faceplam indeed

[Zero__Kelvin]

Picard didn't really do any kind of facepalm in that scene. A facepalm is more of a rapid movement with some self-slapping. He merely grabbed his head with both hands, which is a different form of anxiety expression from facepalming.

This is a good idea

[jandersen]

This Is Such A Good Idea!! I Really Mean It!! Maybe I Shouldn't Have Had 5 Pints Of Espresso!!

In fact, why don't we petition for the mandatory includion of marketing oriented microcode on all CPUs? This is what we all need!!

It is now official.

[philip.mather5551]

Netcraft has confirmed: Unicode is dying

Public Domain?

[wkwilley2]

So what, will nestle bill you every time you use the kitkat emoji in a text?

Whoops, looks like this message already cost me 10 cents.

Re: Public Domain?

[Bing Tsher E]

No. But Nestle will lose the symbol as a trademark, since they will no longer be able to control where it's used.

Embrace, Extend, Devour

[Anonymous Coward]

Just another example of commercial interests attempting to appropriate the commons.

Soon there will be court cases claiming ownership of portions of the Unicode standard...

Would you prefer Chinese labels on buttons?

[tepples]

A bar and triangle seems to be pretty universally understood to mean "play/pause", for example.

Not among certain members of my family. One keeps asking me "Why doesn't it just say 'Play'?" when she can't figure out which button to push. When I try to explain the reason behind internationalized pictographs by asking "It's made in China. Would you prefer that it said 'Play' in Chinese?", it still doesn't help.

Re:Would you prefer Chinese labels on buttons?

[Anonymous Coward]

A bar and triangle seems to be pretty universally understood to mean "play/pause", for example.

Not among certain members of my family. One keeps asking me "Why doesn't it just say 'Play'?" when she can't figure out which button to push. When I try to explain the reason behind internationalized pictographs by asking "It's made in China. Would you prefer that it said 'Play' in Chinese?", it still doesn't help.

I had an installer pick Japanese as interface language for the installer. I have no idea why (bug?) and it took me a bit of research to even figure out which language it had picked. It then took some more research to select the switch language, only to see it wrote like 20 languages in Japanese and I had to figure out how they spell English to be able to pick it. It took me a total of 15-20 minutes to make it switch to English. This really shows the need for internationally readable instructions.

Now while I write this, I start wondering why I didn't just brute force my way through the languages. Odds are that I would have hit a readable language (like any European language) in no time and been able to locate which one sounds sort of like English. Oh well, at least I managed to "decrypt" Japanese correctly.

Re:Would you prefer Chinese labels on buttons?

[omnichad]

If the platform supports it, any language selector should show each language name in its native characters/words.

Re:Would you prefer Chinese labels on buttons?

[cfalcon]

Well, why doesn't it just say "play"? If the play button is international, you can put localized text underneath it. Also, things can be made in China and not written in Chinese- for instance, nothing on my iphone is in Chinese, and it was made in China.

Re:Would you prefer Chinese labels on buttons?

[tepples]

Well, why doesn't it just say "play"? If the play button is international, you can put localized text underneath it.

It's not so easy if the play button is physical, such as on a portable CD player or a DVD remote, as opposed to an icon on the screen.

LIGHTSPEED BRIEFS

[Thud457]

Leela: Didn't you have ads in the 21st century?"
Fry: Well sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio, and in magazines, and movies, and at ball games... and on buses and milk cartons and t-shirts, and bananas and written on the sky. But not in dreams, no siree.

go ahead!

[lkcl]

i have a nokia 3310, i don't mind what goes into unicode, because every SMS where people send me unicode smileys ends up as little rectangles.

Well the muslims have their filthy prayer to satan

[Chrisq]

Well the muslims have their filthy prayer to satan in unicode. That'smuch worse than a condom

U+1F3CF

[tepples]

What I really want though is a bat, there's two fucking rabbits, but no bat.

Unicode has a bat, but it has a ball.

Re: U+1F3CF

[AvitarX]

Not the same, Batman with a cricket bat is more like Casey Jones than Batman.

Bill Hicks said all there is to say about this

[Anonymous Coward]

Bill Hicks on Marketing

Re:Bill Hicks said all there is to say about this

[tepples]

Is there a transcript, in case people can't watch video (hard of hearing, on break at work, capped Internet, or can read faster than real time)? The trend of presenting things as video when they could as easily be text disappoints me.

Re:Bill Hicks said all there is to say about this

[Anonymous Coward]

Here you go. But the video really is worth watching.

Next up for sale....

[QilessQi]

Standard SMTP headers!

      From: fred@fredco.com
      To: employee@fredco.com
      Enjoy-A-Coke-While-Discussing: Fred's meeting memo

HTTP status codes!

      404 Not Found - Have a Snickers instead!

Errno descriptions!

      Program terminated (errno 31 Wonderful Flavors at Baskin Robbins!)
     

Re:Next up for sale....

[omnichad]

Culver's has sort of done this with HTTP:

X-Powered-By: Custard, ButterBurgers, and Hospitality

Culvers is a midwest-based fast food burger chain with frozen custard on the menu.

Re:Next up for sale....

[omnichad]

In case you're wondering, they don't publish their custard flavor of the day as an ical feed, so I am HTTP scraping to roll my own. I discovered this while troubleshooting my code against changes on their site.

I don't read HTTP headers for every site I visit! Really, I don't.

MSN did it first

[Anonymous Coward]

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Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

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"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

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"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

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"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

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"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

P.S.=>

"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

... apk

Re:Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[tepples]

There's already an emoji for "You are all cows" (U+1F42E Cow Face). There's even one for "App appers app apps with apps" (U+1F4F2 Mobile Phone With Rightwards Arrow at Left). And there are plenty of faces for the integrated face system. But what would the hosts file emoji look like?

Re:Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

1. Coren22 never claimed to be Steven Burns.

2. Nobody said that Burns posted to Slashdot.

3. Dog-Cow was trolling *you*--it's well known that you cannot post under your username *and* moderate in the same discussion.

Oh, and using your home phone number in your email address--that's really showing 'em who's boss!

Keep up the good work, Alex!

Re:Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

But what would the hosts file emoji look like?

If they ever come out with an emoji for "mental hospital" I'd go with that one.

Re:Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Coren22]

I'm with the AC there, but I would suggest a foaming at the mouth raving lunatic.

Re:Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Not too effective versus your blatant mistakes and trolling lies Coren22 apk points out here http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

Re:Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Stalker.

Re:Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 you're a pitiful bastard. We can read you know and can see what you said apk tore you up on http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

Re:Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Coren22]

Yes, we can read. We can read that you are a raving lunatic that belongs being returned to the asylum. You do realize that unlike you, I don't post AC. I have said this repeatedly, I can't help if someone posted acting like they are your hero Steven Burns. I did not post it, I just linked to it. I didn't even state that Steven posted it. You are projecting your failures onto me. No one thinks I am failing or losing here. With you, it is nearly impossible to lose an argument, as you don't actually argue your points, you just assert them over and over hoping that someday they will be true.

Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

---

"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

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"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

---

"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

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"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

P.S.=>

"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

... apkMalwareBytes'

Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

---

"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

---

"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

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"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

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"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

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Sure

[c]

I think if Nestle is willing to make KitKat a public domain/generic word rather than their own trademarked brand, then I think it could be considered.

Otherwise... no.

OK, so I can use it anyway I choose?

[gstoddart]

So if KitKat and Durex get their own emojis, then I can use those emojis any way I choose and without licensing or trademark considerations?

Because that's what happens when you put it into the standard code pages.

So I can put (KitKat)(Condoms)(Donkey)(TacoBell)(IceCream)(PartyHat)(Cigarette) ... and KitKat and Taco Bell have NO legal right to say anything about how I use that image, right?

That will be awesome, and I'm sure the marketing clowns will love what happens when they make their trademark part of a standard code set. Because if you make it part of my standard character set, you turn your trademark into something which anybody can use.

What you can't do is turn your trademark into a standard part of what is in Unicode and then demand I have restrictions on how I use that trademark.

So either they are idiots who plan on diluting their trademark. Or they are idiots who think they can put their trademark into a standard character set and have no control over how it is used.

We should NOT be putting corporate defined images into Unicode unless there is an understanding that what people then DO with those things is no longer under any control by the people who asked for it to be there.

Re:OK, so I can use it anyway I choose?

[The-Ixian]

I am sure they will just have the "emoji" clause written into some law which allows "fair use" of the image in the context of communications between devices or some such thing.

Re:OK, so I can use it anyway I choose?

[gstoddart]

If they make it part of Unicode, they should lose all ability to tell me what I can do with that character.

If they wish to have "an emoji clause", then they should be getting told to piss off and go away now.

As I said ... either it's just a character, and they have no right to ever say anything about how that character is used ... or it's a trademark they wish to restrict, and it has no business being in unicode.

But letting corporations stake out parts of the unicode standard AND continue to tell us how we use those unicode characters simply cannot be made to work, because they're incompatible things.

Unicode is for U+1F42E

[Anonymous Coward]

You are all U+1F42E. U+1F42E say Mooo. Mooo! Mooo! Mooo U+1F42E s Mooo! Mooo say the U+1F42E. YOU ADDED U+1F42E !!!

Re:Unicode is for U+1F42E

[srmalloy]

You are all U+1F42E. U+1F42E say Mooo. Mooo! Mooo! Mooo U+1F42E s Mooo! Mooo say the U+1F42E. YOU ADDED U+1F42E !!!

Well, then, we obviously need to add U+DEADBEEF to Unicode, variously rendered as a diagram of the cuts of beef, or as a side of beef.

Article Should Be Renamed

[crow_t_robot]

"Corporations still attempting to literally destroy everything."

It's a revenue generator for them...

[QuietLagoon]

They will then be able to sue people and companies who use "their" emoji to describe products other than the trademarked one.

Re:Well the muslims have their filthy prayer to sa

[crow_t_robot]

"In the name of God, most Gracious, most Compassionate".
Satan? Don't denigrate my religion by confusing it with theirs.

More than 26 sounds

[tepples]

Adding emoji to Unicode makes about as much sense as adding new letters to the alphabet, and nobody seems to feel any great need to do that.

Except when a language has more than 26 sounds. This is how Icelandic gets the thorn and edh, some African languages get a stretched-out s whose capital looks like Greek sigma, German gets a ligature of stretched out s and s, Mbembe gets a fish-shaped round A, Nigerian languages get letters with hooks and a turned E, Chipewyan gets capital and lowercase glottal stops, and more.

Re:More than 26 sounds

[Anonymous Coward]

Different AC here, but unicode doing crap like this is just mission creep. They aren't even done with there original charge, making sure that they have the symbols and characters necessary to represent all written scripts in use in the world. Included in that originally was the custom pictures Japan and other places implemented with the 8th bit set to "1" or by using code pages and encodings not even close to ASCII. However, once all the easy characters and symbols were covered, the machine has to keep churning.

All of that leads to the situation where I can't use Unicode to represent some scripts people actually write with today but can send people a picture of an airplane with clouds. Like the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, they need to change their name and stop pretending they are doing the same job they always did.

Re:More than 26 sounds

[Zero__Kelvin]

"Adding emoji to Unicode makes about as much sense as adding new letters to the alphabet, and nobody seems to feel any great need to do that."

"Except when a language has more than 26 sounds."

There are 26 letters in the alphabet, but significanbtly more than 26 sounds. IIRC, the English language can be represented by about 72 allophones. You are confusing this with language elements that are constituent parts of a whole. In this case, the character is the whole. It is logographic (like Kanji) etc rather than English, French, Spanich, etc.

What makes this absurd is simply taking it to it's logical conclusion. How many hundreds of thousands of products out there, in how many dozens of countries? If each product, or even 10%, have an emoji, how much time will it take me to sift through them all and find the one I want? What are the chances will have no idea what most of them are supposed to indicate? EPIC FAIL :-)

Re:More than 26 sounds

[tepples]

It is logographic (like Kanji) etc

Yet kanji are enCJKoded.

If each product, or even 10%, have an emoji, how much time will it take me to sift through them all and find the one I want?

That's why, as I wrote above, Unicode has a generic chocolate bar rather than a branded one. Likewise, it'd likely end up with a generic wafer bar.

What are the chances will have no idea what most of them are supposed to indicate?

Slim. Unicode Consortium publishes code charts describing what each code point encodes.

Re:More than 26 sounds

[Zero__Kelvin]

"Yet kanji are enCJKoded."

No shit Sherlock.

"That's why, as I wrote above"

And yet the discussion is about specific Kit Kat / Taco Bell / etc. emojis (and you didn't say anything of the sort in the post to which I replied. I certainly hope you don't expect anyone to remember who said what in every post in multiple threads.)

"Slim. Unicode Consortium publishes code charts describing what each code point encodes."

That answers my question in a way that makes it sound like a rebuttal, but actually concedes my point. You admit that I will likely need to consult a table of thousands of emojis.) Why don't you just admit that we both agree it is a bad idea, but that you simply used a completely fallacious line of reasoning to reach the correct conclusion?

Re:More than 26 sounds

[tepples]

as I wrote above

I certainly hope you don't expect anyone to remember who said what in every post in multiple threads.

Nope, just trying to cite rather than repeating myself.

You admit that I will likely need to consult a table of thousands of emojis.

And someone just learning Chinese or Japanese would need to consult a table of thousands of hanzi/kanji. Likewise, someone using lesser-known punctuation in English, such as the en and em dashes and mathematical symbols, would need to consult a table for those. Perhaps the solution involves improved emoji input methods rather than not including emojis at all.

fallacious

Which I'm willing to do my best to repair.

Re:More than 26 sounds

[cfalcon]

English has thorn and eth too. All Englishes also have more sounds than can be expressed in the character set.

Re:More than 26 sounds

[Darinbob]

Those are symbols necessary to record a language in writing. Unicode was created to try (awkwardly) to standardize all the various written characters used in natural and artificial language, phonetic and sound markers needed to properly transcribe a language, and alternative transcriptions as necessary (braille).

An emoji is none of that. Symbols used to represent sign language would be appropriate and there may be some minimalist overlap with emojis. Emojis are not language. They may be part of communication for some people, but then so are words and yet we use dictionaries to keep track of words rather than Unicode. Emojis should be in their own damn standard. An ephemeral meme should not be standardized unless we want future anthropologists to have a good laugh at how stupid we were. Next up, an inclusion of very possible facial expression in unicode...

Re:More than 26 sounds

[Darinbob]

But those thousands of hanzi are being used by people speaking a real language, past or present. Emojis are a different category from languages. They're not even the same category as symbols used for mathematics, economics, or other soft and hard sciences. Emojis started life as jokes, a humorous extension of the smiley face, and after some time to fully mature emojis are still jokes. Nobody really communicates with emojis, they exist only to make the readers laugh or wince or face palm themselves so hard that they are knocked out.

The solution is to get rid of emoji from unicode, put emoji into their own standard, then wait and see if that standard survives for longer than a few years before people grow tired of this fad. They're already sort of outdated, as people are using animated emojis now and the static pictures are old school and no longer cool. Meanwhile a hanzi character from a thousand years ago is still useful.

It's a trap

[RevWaldo]

Nestle's just laying the foundation to claiming ownership of the water emoji, because they own all the water!

.

Re:It's a trap

[KGIII]

I wonder if they own any power companies? I must confess, I like the movie more than the comic.

Fuck off.

[Anonymous Coward]

Text conveys tone just fine. People who drop that festering turd "text can't convey tone" must never have read a single book. Seriously. If you can't compose an email or a text message that can effectively communicate your thoughts, it isn't the fault of the medium. That is similar to blaming the paintbrush for your painting's lack of composition. Thanks to popular culture (read:marketing), something that I am constantly reminded of is that a growing number of people are just plain dumb and don't know how to read and write effectively. But instead of correcting this downturn in humanity's evolution, let's embrace that ignorance because hey, we can make easy money off of idiots.

For Once I Am Glad /. Has No Unicode Support

[careysub]

Subject line says it all.

Re:For Once I Am Glad /. Has No Unicode Support

[Blaskowicz]

How naïve of you!

unicode is bigoted rabblerabblerabble...

[Thud457]

Given that there are twelve different crosses, they can surely find room for one colander, praise his noodly appendage!

Granted, most are appropriately in the dingbats section according to wikipedia.

Re: Well the muslims have their filthy prayer to s

[tandavanadesan]

Yes - Chrisq owes Satanists an aplology for comparing Satan to allah. Allah is much worse, and many more people kill in his name.

U+1F35D and U+1F984

[tepples]

U+1F35D Spaghetti and U+1F984 Unicorn Face exist.

U+1F467 and U+1F419

[tepples]

Unicode has U+1F467 Girl and U+1F419 Octopus. If this were SoylentNews, I could show them inline, but Slashdot uses a code point whitelist because of past abuses of bidirectional control characters.

Re:U+1F467 and U+1F419

[Darinbob]

Can't show it inline because no one sane has fonts to display them all.

Re: Well the muslims have their filthy prayer to

[crow_t_robot]

Allah is the Abrahamic "God" if you didn't know in case you were pretending Christianity is better than Islam in any way.

I Want To Insert My Dick Into Jennifer Lawrence

[Anonymous Coward]

I think there is an equally likely chance of these things happening.

Killing in the name of YHWH

[tepples]

If you're combining God of Abraham as viewed by Christians and the God of Abraham as viewed by Muslims, it's even easier to make the case that more people have killed in the name of that God than of Satan.

Re:Killing in the name of YHWH

[Anonymous Coward]

It's really just a big family dispute... those from the line of Isaac, the son of promise, and those from the line of Ishmael, the son of the bondservant... also Abraham had many other children after his wife Sarah died.

Complexions are diacritics

[tepples]

But now they have different characters for different complexions of emojis - something that should be a font, rather than a character change.

That'd be like needing a separate font for à, á, â, and ä. Think of color of emojis as analogous to a diacritic.

Re:Complexions are diacritics

[unixisc]

But à, á, â, and ä are different characters altogether - certainly not the same as 'a'. There is no reason for a particular emoticon to eat up more space in the Unicode space. Just extend the concept of fonts to emojis, and give different forms or shapes to different emojis. Like a straight flag of Sweden could be one font, a waving flag could be another font of the same country. Similarly, a white, brown or black person giving the evil look could all be different fonts of the same character of a person giving an evil look

Re:Complexions are diacritics

[mattventura]

But it doesn't - the color modifier is a combining character. Just like how despite having à, á, â, and ä in unicode, you can form identical looking letters by doing a normal "a" plus a combining acute, a combining grave, a combining umlaut, etc. So if you had 50 emojis and 5 skin colors, it would be 50 + 5 codepoints rather than 50 * 5.

Mod down your filthy post

[Malc]

I wish I had some mod points to mod down your filthy little post.

Re:Well the muslims have their filthy prayer to sa

[Zero__Kelvin]

You are a complete frigging moron, and a disgrace to the human race.

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"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

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"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

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32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

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"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

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"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

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"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

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"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

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"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

---

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

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"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

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"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

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"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

---

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

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"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

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Re:Well the muslims have their filthy prayer to sa

[KGIII]

Nah, I clicked your link. It says "AR-RAHMAN" on it. That's Arabic for "Our Ramen." It's a prayer to FSM.

This is the future of fine print

[Applehu Akbar]

Just wait until pharma company disclaimers and car rental contracts are given single Unicode characters of their own.

Re: Well the muslims have their filthy prayer to

[Anonymous Coward]

No one is pretending that.

allah/god/yahweh/jehovah/whatever is, even according to their own books, far worse than their satan.

It's all imaginary, of course.

Aboose

[hercludes]

Unicode was and is used to support foreign characters. Emojis are a blatant abuse of unicode, I don't know a single use of emoticons besides general spam. On a sidenote, I'm tired of people abusing unicode characters to represent their name in some untypeable mess, like "".

So, it has come to this

[Lost Race]

The next new Unicode symbol will be a picture of a water skier jumping over a shark. There will be a few more after that, but nobody will be paying attention any more.

No space is safe

[TigerPlish]

The other day I was wikibinging and ended up in an article about the history of the jet bridge -- and that let to another piece on how someone either at HSBC or at their agency "discovered" or "realized" that jet bridges were an untapped source of revenue.

I would've been happy with that space being left untapped. Now there's ads glaring at you inside the jet bridge - and on the exteriors, too -- visible from the terminal windows.

No space is safe. Already see so many private cars either wearing badly-aligned magnetic signs, or full vinyl wraps.

No space is safe. No property is safe.

How much ... ?

[holophrastic]

Can we just give up on the whole letters and numbers thing and go back to hieroglyphics?

I, for one, look forward to another thousand years of archeologists trying to figure out what was being written.

O(n+m) vs. O(nm)

[tepples]

But à, á, â, and ä are different characters altogether

But can be represented using the code point for 'a' followed by the code point for a diacritic. True, Unicode includes redundant precomposed code points for many accented Latin letters and for Korean hangul, but it's trying to represent older encodings that likewise had precomposed code points. With emoji, there are no such older encodings, so the consortium can save code points by encoding them decomposed. Likewise with accented Latin letters that do not appear in a legacy encoding.

There is no reason for a particular emoticon to eat up more space in the Unicode space.

Five code points for skin colors aren't significant "more space". Imagine if all Latin letters with diacritics had to be precomposed, not just the ones in legacy encodings. That would take more space. Decomposed characters take O(n + m) code points; precomposed ones take O(nm) code points, which is much bigger.

Fine

[easyTree]

I propose an ad-blocker emoji.

There is a valid reason for some of these

[Locke2005]

Dominoes now allows you to order pizza by texting them a pizza emoji; presumably other delivery services would like to get in on the action. (Sounds to me like this would require setting up a lot of information associated with your phone number ahead of time for it to work, and useless for any company that doesn't do delivery or internet orders)

Re:There is a valid reason for some of these

[crow_t_robot]

So, what's the valid use?

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

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"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

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"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

---

"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

---

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

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There are lots of numbers...

[HiThere]

Give proprietary icons codes above 2^24 and I'm ok with that. Of course, no fonts will implement them, but that's ok with me too.

I signed!

[Anonymous Coward]

Sorry guys, I am following slashdot since 2003, and there is no reason for me not to sign it. :)

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

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"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

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"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

---

"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

---

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

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"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

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"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

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"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

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"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

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"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

... apk

Where's the "No" petition?

[scdeimos]

If the Taco character got in on the basis of a mere 32,000 votes how many "No" votes could get mustered up to defeat Nestle's Break character?

This requires more than an ordinary facepalm...

[ffkom]

... so the Unicode consortium should introduce the Five Mullah Facepalm emoji in response.

Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

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"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

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"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

---

"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

---

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

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"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

... apk

Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

---

"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

---

"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

---

"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

---

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

P.S.=>

"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

... apk

Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

---

"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

---

"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

---

"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

---

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

P.S.=>

"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

... apk

Where were their lawyers?

[Sir Holo]

Nestle is pushing for a KitKat bar emoji?

Wouldn't that automagically make the mark 'generic', thereby voiding their dearly protected status?

.

Non-sequitur: Didn't the ancient Egyptians invent emojis?

Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

---

"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

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"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

---

"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

---

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

P.S.=>

"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

... apk

Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

---

"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

---

"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

---

"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

---

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

P.S.=>

"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

... apk

Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

---

"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

---

"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

---

"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

---

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

P.S.=>

"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

... apk

Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

---

"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

---

"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

---

"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

---

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

P.S.=>

"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

... apk

Chocolate crumbs falling off the logo

[Blaskowicz]

Yuck. So you have to worry about the waste, cleaning up or smearing your keyboard. And with sticky chocolaty crap don't forget to brush your teeth.
Why not eat bread and peanut butter?, for example.

If you're over 25 and still eating candy bars, you have failed as a human being. Also there is U+1F36B already.

Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

---

"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

---

"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

---

"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

---

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

P.S.=>

"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

... apk

Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

---

"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

---

"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

---

"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

---

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

P.S.=>

"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

... apk

Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

---

"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

---

"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

---

"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

---

"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

---

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

P.S.=>

"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

... apk

Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

---

"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

---

"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

---

"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

+

32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

&

Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

---

"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

---

"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

P.S.=>

"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

... apk

Taco

[tommyjcarpenter]

Emoji already exists: ðYOE®

Coren22's impersonation "APKolypse"

[Anonymous Coward]

Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

How else programmatically update it?

"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.

---

"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes

"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...

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"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

60++ reputable sources say different:

64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

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32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

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Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

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"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015

Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.

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"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.

APK

P.S.=>

"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015

Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me

... apk

Comment and sign the petition

[herbierobinson]

I signed the petition with the following comment:

I think any symbol adopted as a Unicode standard will dilute any trademark held on the symbol to the point where the trademark is no longer valid.

Feel free to pile on...

Universal language

[cgmurray]

Would be fun if emoji became the new Esperanto. ./rs most frequently used emojis would be the symbol for snark, and the symbols for the logical fallacies. Straw man would be easy to design, but the others?

Coren22: Tell us of "Bolting on 'MoAr'", lol

[Anonymous Coward]

YOU BLEW IT BADLY HERE especially -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

See subject & my last post you replied to Coren22: BIND doesn't come w/ Windows, the most used OS there is by the most folks on the desktop!

(LMAO - I own you... YOU, have been DOMINATED!)

APK

P.S.=> You're efficiency is poor - Less IS truly MORE in using what you already have (hosts + firewalls) as I do, & to do more with less... apk

I want an emoji...

[martinfb]

I want to implement an emoji that will suggest huge discounts - like 90% off - for me to every vendor that gets one!