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DHS Deployed Plane Above San Bernardino To Scoop Up All Phone Calls After Attack (dailymail.co.uk)
schwit1 writes: Federal investigators looking into the San Bernardino massacre deployed a spy plane overhead after the attacks in an apparent attempt to find additional suspects. The Department of Homeland Security is said to have put up the single engine craft over the California city and ordered it to make repeated circles overhead. The craft would likely have been equipped with Dirtbox technology which can scan tens of thousands of phones in one go to identify suspects. The report adds to the intrigue about whether or not there were accomplices in the San Bernardino attacks, which took place last Wednesday and were the worst terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11.
Instead of performing mildly intrusive surveillance sweeps all the timeâ"unthinkable!â"just stick with extremely intrusive sweeps every single time something bad happens or is expected to happen!
"Outdated business models" is code for "I don't like paying for things, but want them anyway"
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/us/san-bernardino-attacks-us-visa-process-tashfeen-maliks-remarks-on-social-media-about-jihad-were-missed.html?_r=0
"Information wants to be free"
"If you don't want information to be available on the internet, don't put it there".
"If you don't want Facebook to harvest your friends network, don't make it available to them."
. . .
"If you don't want someone to detect your location, don't broadcast it into the whole world for them to receive".
Oh wait! That's totally different, when it's MY information. My bad.
Searching to see if there are more terrorists engaged in a coordinated attack? Seems like a reasonable and responsible thing to do.
One tends to ponder for what purpose they would be flying over San Berdu after the mess.
1. The aspect of there never being a cop around when you need one?
2. Making sure the people treated as mushrooms for 50 years don't have any clue as to what is going on because being on that terrorist watch list thingy is scary... ( http://www.newsmax.com/Headlin... ) Incidentally WTF are they doing flying in airplanes anyway? Anyone think Obummer will take their guns AND planes beyond not selling them anymore guns? Billions of rounds and not one gun eh? Would suck to be in DHS in Cincinnati. ( http://www.ctpost.com/news/art... ).
> in the San Bernardino attacks, which took place last Wednesday and were the worst terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11.
Uh, no.. They were the worst terrorist attack since the previous week...
Have we reached the point where "phone" refers to a cell phone? Or do we presume that terrorists don't have access to secure radio-free telephone technology?
Why is this information disclosed? It should have been kept secret. Now terrorists are going to be getting rid of their cell phones.
Look at the track for N404KR on that day (2015/12/02) -- it spent hours circling over the area. It's a Cessna 182T, so a smaller payload capability, but slower with more loiter time over a tighter area.
And it's registered out of a P.O. box in Virginia, along with many similar companies and aircraft.
Nothing suspicious here, move along citizen...
Although I maintain that every individual has the same right to spy that any government has to spy upon the public I do think I see one bright spot in this. Criminals may get the message that they can no longer use phones to carry out their crimes or ways of life. It is getting harder and harder to be a criminal.
... before doing anything criminal, neatly making this a tool suitable exclusively for mass-surveillance and completely worthless for crime-fighting. But those that want this kind of tech have known that all along, because, rather obviously, mass-surveillance is what they want. My take is this use of the surveillance drone served exclusively to collect data to use for research into mass-surveillance, the actual crime on the ground just provided a nice pretext.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Can't collect any data till after people are already dead. Strong privacy for the win.
"Outdated business models" is code for "I don't like paying for things, but want them anyway"
Are you sure they did? I _think_ they did, because mass-surveillance is unsuitable for preventing terrorism or crime, but by now I have really started to wonder whether they are really that incapable.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Searching to see if there are more terrorists engaged in a coordinated attack? Seems like a reasonable and responsible thing to do.
Another reasonable thing would be to get judicial approval afterwards, to ensure that exigent circumstances were warranted and that it was an appropriate use of the technology.
You know, so that it doesn't ratchet into future phone sweeps for just any little thing?
A NOTAM no fly zone was publicly announced up to 8000 feet covering a circle around the Inland Regional Center, so it was not totally covert. Comenters were a little puzzled and speculated it was for police choppers. Now we know why.
They hate our freedom /s
E.g. if police are chasing you on foot and you run into your friend's house, they don't have to get a warrant.
What they did here is enter every house in town, to see if anyone is running in.
..with some free apps
https://whispersystems.org
It becomes more clear by the day that the apps offered on this site are needed. Encrypt your phone calls and texts, because what you have to talk about is none of the business of these fuckheads.
Don't trade freedom for false security!
Maybe they can explain why the investigation into muslim terrorists in that area was stopped by a direct order from obama?
Unrelated stock photos and innuendo. I love the "is to to have deployed" ... said by who? And the spy device that was "likely" used, if used at all, might have been blah blah blah. A troll article for the uber paranoid followed by 52 messages from people with nothing to add.
A lot of terror was brought to the society, a lot of innocent people were killed. Just because the shooter wasn't an Islamic radical doesn't mean it wasn't terrorism; a lot of people place the federal building attack in Oklahoma City under the label "domestic terrorism", there is a strong argument for placing Sandy Hook in the same category.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
The worst publicly disclosed attacks since 9/11.
There have been much worse that's happened. Internet references are unavailable for those.
Surprised a government agency acted this fast. But still there is no need to reveal to the terrorists all the tools we have at out disposal.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
I think there is enough justification and probably cause to collect such information. It is no different than setting up a cordon and road blocks and stopping all motorists in the vicinity.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
From the article:
[Caption] Spy plane: The operator is able to locate a person's location quickly but cannot listen to calls
The operator is able to locate a person's location quickly although they are not able to listen to calls.
[Caption] Inside look: Customized controls in the spy plane allow operators to listen in on tens of thousands of phone conversations in one go around
So which is it? Can they capture conversations or not?
They also don't seem entirely sure if their facts are facts:
It was equipped with 'Dirtbox' technology which can scan tens of thousands of phones in one go to identify suspects
The craft would likely have been equipped with 'Dirtbox' technology which can scan tens of thousands of phones in one go to identify suspects.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
You mean like how the good guys with guns did in the UCC university shooting? Oh, wait, they didn't.
Now go back to masturbating your NRA propaganda.
The police aren't allowed to investigate things that are out in public? Wow, I must be living in backwards land!
We have a set of 3-4 islander aircraft based at r.a.f northolt that take it in turns,most days and nights to circle over London at 10.000ft max,sucking up all phone calls,data links etc etc.. I can set my watch by them,they are that regular overhead on way in and out..when something big kicks off in London etc,they have had at least three in the air at once...are easy to spot,grey,and bristleing in twigs..
Martial Law was enacted after the attack or not.
If it was, no dice, and it was valid.
If it wasn't, then depending on what other laws have gotten passed that we don't know about, it might be possible.
If planning future attacks, make sure to create, purchase or smuggle a device capable of downing aircraft in the area first. In the US, just point a laser pointer at it. The pilot will freak out and land citing blindness and numbness in their right arm or something :|
Or, activate a high powered jammer near the tower to disrupt ALL cellular traffic. This will pretty much kill the sniffer planes purpose as well as create chaos on the ground when comms go out. I suppose just blowing up the nearby towers would suffice as well.
It's like the US is only interested in going after the stupid terrorists who will plan ahead via Facebook or Twitter and / or keep in touch with cell phones. ( and we can't even stop those with all our super double naught spy agencies and their toys )
If our spies are no match for the home grown amateur, my faith in their ability to prevent a pro-unit from doing anything is pretty much non-existent. We'll learn about them the day after they turn a city into sub-atomic particles.
Murica. All talk, no walk.
Stupid example from a stupid jackass. All these mass shootings take place in locations where guns are unconstitutionally banned. So no good guys had guns. That's what 'gun control' achieves. Absolutely nothing except more dead bodies.
Kudos to DHS for doing their job. Thank you guys!!
While any murders are awful, the number of people killed in SBD was incomparable to the number killed at 09/11. Please stop comparing the two in attempting to imagine that it's become worse, or using the more recent to justify further destruction of our rights and of our country.
Exactly what year do you live in? We're in 2015 buddy. Where can you live off of $8 an hour? Say what you will about them, but rent a cops aren't teenagers.
There is no way you can sanely justify the surveillance of the tens and probably hundreds of thousands of people because of a few bad apples. Even if you'd have probable cause utilizing these systems depends on the surveillance of tens and hundreds of thousands of people to identify the one your looking for. You can't justify this in any logical way. If we are willing to sacrifice liberty then it makes more sense to save millions of lives. We're not though. There are some countries that are heading that way and in these countries these sorts of actions are a lot less hypocritical if they're admitting that they don't care about liberty. In the United States liberty is preached to us in school though and is the foundation of the nation. You can't get out of it. We are hypocrites or our government is if it permits this.
Some examples of things we can do if we really care about saving lives: Utilize recently deceased people's vital parts to save the lives of others regardless of or unless they've opted out of donation. Right now we have an opt in system of donation. Humorously I don't even object to an opt out system. The reason for this is largely that I'm not really sure I've been convinced that a dead person can really own themselves. Certain a living person does on the other hand [which is why drugs, suicide, etc shouldn't be illegal].
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/one-mass-shooting-happens-per-day-u-s-data-shows/
Well, looks like you're wrong. Better luck next time.
The article is very confused:
scoops up tens of thousands of phone calls at one time
'Dirtbox' technology which can scan tens of thousands of phones in one go to identify suspects
Inside look: Customized controls in the spy plane allow operators to listen in on tens of thousands of phone conversations in one go around
The operator is able to locate a person's location quickly although they are not able to listen to calls.
maybe Slashdot should do a little fact checking before repeating self-contradicting statements from a yellow press source.
I'm so glad that domestic shootings aren't labelled terrorism, or the NRA would flip out!
And wont make any future calls after an attack.
Stupid example from a stupid jackass. All these mass shootings take place in locations where guns are unconstitutionally banned. So no good guys had guns. That's what 'gun control' achieves. Absolutely nothing except more dead bodies.
The ban creating the gun-free zone in this case is not unconstitutional.
Likewise, any private enterprise location (like a movie theater.)
You are 100% right, in a group of 100 at that party (as an example) if four had personal firearms on them, that event could have turned out very differently. But it doesn't do any good to bring yourself down to the same slathered in lies level as the leftists by claiming stuff like that, where it's simply not true.
Are you sure they did? I _think_ they did, because mass-surveillance is unsuitable for preventing terrorism or crime, but by now I have really started to wonder whether they are really that incapable.
Re-frame your reference.
The truth is, they don't WANT to stop this type of violence. They USE those events to further steal rights away from regular law-abiding citizens.
DHS is hoping your terrorists are stupid and uses standard cellphones.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
There is an exception to the fourth amendment called exigent circimstances. exiges of course refers to situations that require exits -- such as terrorist attacks, and only pertains to the searches in question that directly produce or may produce evidence related to the emergency.
to protect ourselves from these abuses?
My point is that, no matter what, my gadgets and tools have to work FOR me, not against me and no one, not even the FBI, should be allowed to hack my stuff unless I agree.