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DHS Deployed Plane Above San Bernardino To Scoop Up All Phone Calls After Attack (dailymail.co.uk)
schwit1 writes: Federal investigators looking into the San Bernardino massacre deployed a spy plane overhead after the attacks in an apparent attempt to find additional suspects. The Department of Homeland Security is said to have put up the single engine craft over the California city and ordered it to make repeated circles overhead. The craft would likely have been equipped with Dirtbox technology which can scan tens of thousands of phones in one go to identify suspects. The report adds to the intrigue about whether or not there were accomplices in the San Bernardino attacks, which took place last Wednesday and were the worst terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11.
Searching to see if there are more terrorists engaged in a coordinated attack? Seems like a reasonable and responsible thing to do.
Have we reached the point where "phone" refers to a cell phone? Or do we presume that terrorists don't have access to secure radio-free telephone technology?
I wonder if this acknowledgement would be enough to bring just cause to court (being that in the past the argument was people didnt know whether or not their calls were sucked up in the dragnet or not)
in other words, could someone who lives under where there plane was flying sue the court for unreasonable search and seizure?
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true but where is the line drawn?
If i am having a fire on my property and some smoke goes over to your yard, is it now no longer "private"??
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
id say boston bombing was the biggest since 9/11
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Look at the track for N404KR on that day (2015/12/02) -- it spent hours circling over the area. It's a Cessna 182T, so a smaller payload capability, but slower with more loiter time over a tighter area.
And it's registered out of a P.O. box in Virginia, along with many similar companies and aircraft.
Nothing suspicious here, move along citizen...
But their skin was brown, so this is a terrorist attack!
Last week was from white people. Totally different!
Does the smoke affect your neighbor in any way?
Perhaps your neighbor is asthmatic or sensitive to smoke or was trying to star-gaze that night or just doesn't like the smell of smoke.
Of course your fire impacts your neighbor if its products escape your property.
Can you be Even More Awesome?!
Without looking too far into it, I suspect the thing's stock operational parameters are carefully designed to withstand constitutional scrutiny.
"Outdated business models" is code for "I don't like paying for things, but want them anyway"
Although I maintain that every individual has the same right to spy that any government has to spy upon the public I do think I see one bright spot in this. Criminals may get the message that they can no longer use phones to carry out their crimes or ways of life. It is getting harder and harder to be a criminal.
Race-divider squad activate! Set grievance-politics field to "social unrest"! Aim sites on people getting along! And ... Go!
... before doing anything criminal, neatly making this a tool suitable exclusively for mass-surveillance and completely worthless for crime-fighting. But those that want this kind of tech have known that all along, because, rather obviously, mass-surveillance is what they want. My take is this use of the surveillance drone served exclusively to collect data to use for research into mass-surveillance, the actual crime on the ground just provided a nice pretext.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Simple: This is not about fighting terrorism or crime at all. It is about demonstrating to "do something", justifying all the expenses for "law enforcement" and collecting some nice bit of surveillance data with a good pretext in the bargain.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Can't collect any data till after people are already dead. Strong privacy for the win.
"Outdated business models" is code for "I don't like paying for things, but want them anyway"
Are you sure they did? I _think_ they did, because mass-surveillance is unsuitable for preventing terrorism or crime, but by now I have really started to wonder whether they are really that incapable.
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Or alternatively, they will just lie about what it does. It has gotten very easy for the police to lie to the public in the US. And even when caught, nothing ever happens to them.
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Searching to see if there are more terrorists engaged in a coordinated attack? Seems like a reasonable and responsible thing to do.
Another reasonable thing would be to get judicial approval afterwards, to ensure that exigent circumstances were warranted and that it was an appropriate use of the technology.
You know, so that it doesn't ratchet into future phone sweeps for just any little thing?
Maybe they won't find it quite so easy to text one another to plan and co-ordinate their attacks, like the ones in Paris did.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Your User ID is very impressive, but personally I think that my scenario is more likely and that the full details of this usage, if presented to a federal judge, would pass muster. From the description, it sounds like a goodly chunk of the thing's OS is devoted to ceasing surveillance of unlikely targets as quickly as possible. Of course, it could all be a smokescreen, but it's also quite possible for a reasonable surveillance algorithm to implemented. Not a constitutional scholar but as I recall, all that would be required is that the activity be reasonable and proportionate to the threat presented.
"Outdated business models" is code for "I don't like paying for things, but want them anyway"
lets change fire to having a bbq and the smoke from the grill floats over. Say the neighbor doesnt partake in meat products, are you saying your neighbor has a right to complain and stop me from grilling? im not sure i follow here
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Also, not to sound like a troll, but "kill the baby killers" is a little more principled and focused than "f*** Americans, kill them all indiscriminately". So long as we've got the Vice President of the United States rationalizing Charlie Hebdo as more *reasonable* than Bataclan, let's dish out that same sympathy for white boys, k?
"Outdated business models" is code for "I don't like paying for things, but want them anyway"
Unrelated stock photos and innuendo. I love the "is to to have deployed" ... said by who? And the spy device that was "likely" used, if used at all, might have been blah blah blah. A troll article for the uber paranoid followed by 52 messages from people with nothing to add.
A lot of terror was brought to the society, a lot of innocent people were killed. Just because the shooter wasn't an Islamic radical doesn't mean it wasn't terrorism; a lot of people place the federal building attack in Oklahoma City under the label "domestic terrorism", there is a strong argument for placing Sandy Hook in the same category.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Surprised a government agency acted this fast. But still there is no need to reveal to the terrorists all the tools we have at out disposal.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
I think there is enough justification and probably cause to collect such information. It is no different than setting up a cordon and road blocks and stopping all motorists in the vicinity.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
It's not the first time that idea has been floated: http://kxan.com/2015/04/02/cit...
Does the smoke affect your neighbor in any way?
He says it slows down his WiFi and gives his goldfish panic attacks.
From the article:
[Caption] Spy plane: The operator is able to locate a person's location quickly but cannot listen to calls
The operator is able to locate a person's location quickly although they are not able to listen to calls.
[Caption] Inside look: Customized controls in the spy plane allow operators to listen in on tens of thousands of phone conversations in one go around
So which is it? Can they capture conversations or not?
They also don't seem entirely sure if their facts are facts:
It was equipped with 'Dirtbox' technology which can scan tens of thousands of phones in one go to identify suspects
The craft would likely have been equipped with 'Dirtbox' technology which can scan tens of thousands of phones in one go to identify suspects.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
We have a set of 3-4 islander aircraft based at r.a.f northolt that take it in turns,most days and nights to circle over London at 10.000ft max,sucking up all phone calls,data links etc etc.. I can set my watch by them,they are that regular overhead on way in and out..when something big kicks off in London etc,they have had at least three in the air at once...are easy to spot,grey,and bristleing in twigs..
If planning future attacks, make sure to create, purchase or smuggle a device capable of downing aircraft in the area first. In the US, just point a laser pointer at it. The pilot will freak out and land citing blindness and numbness in their right arm or something :|
Or, activate a high powered jammer near the tower to disrupt ALL cellular traffic. This will pretty much kill the sniffer planes purpose as well as create chaos on the ground when comms go out. I suppose just blowing up the nearby towers would suffice as well.
It's like the US is only interested in going after the stupid terrorists who will plan ahead via Facebook or Twitter and / or keep in touch with cell phones. ( and we can't even stop those with all our super double naught spy agencies and their toys )
If our spies are no match for the home grown amateur, my faith in their ability to prevent a pro-unit from doing anything is pretty much non-existent. We'll learn about them the day after they turn a city into sub-atomic particles.
Murica. All talk, no walk.
While any murders are awful, the number of people killed in SBD was incomparable to the number killed at 09/11. Please stop comparing the two in attempting to imagine that it's become worse, or using the more recent to justify further destruction of our rights and of our country.
There is lying and lying. Unless an independent expert gets access to the software without them being warned before, they can just come up "accidentally" with and "older version" of the software that does indeed pass muster as you say.
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Any phone calls or metadata collected during this operation will be ATTRIBUTED to the airplane. Understand citizen?
Are you sure they did? I _think_ they did, because mass-surveillance is unsuitable for preventing terrorism or crime, but by now I have really started to wonder whether they are really that incapable.
Re-frame your reference.
The truth is, they don't WANT to stop this type of violence. They USE those events to further steal rights away from regular law-abiding citizens.
DHS is hoping your terrorists are stupid and uses standard cellphones.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.