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Writer: Why Watching the Original Star Wars Again Was a Bad Idea (cnet.com)

An anonymous reader writes: CNET's Michael Franco recently sat down and watched Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope again in preparation for the release of The Force Awakens later this week. His advice to anyone who's thinking of doing the same is to save your childhood memories and skip watching it again. Unlike wine, Franco doesn't think the movie gets better with age. He writes: " Since that first viewing, Luke, Vader and company have loomed large in my imagination, and clearly in the imaginations of many other adults introduced to the sci-fi franchise as kids. So have the rest of the characters, as well as the sounds of a lightsaber, a Wookiee and a TIE fighter and the idea that someday I would learn to control people through the power of suggestion and a wave of my hand. But it now seems that maybe all that got a little gilded in my memory."

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  1. wah wah wah clickbait by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can save yourself the trouble of this one if you just read thi quote:

    I know I've been spoiled by movies with bigger and bigger budgets over the years, but it seems like Lucas could have leveled up those costumes.

    If you're the kind of person who can't appreciate something as being from an era, because OOH FAST SHINY LOOK A SQUIRREL then OK, rewatching the original films may not be for you. Otherwise, they're still just as good (or not) as they were when they were new.

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    1. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The original has been completely ruined by Lucas with all his remakes and extra scenes.

      Cutesy extra creatures _everywhere_, Han shooting second, that barf-worthy fake scene with Jabba The Hut... it completely changes the feel. And it's awful.

      Take all those out and it's still quite good.

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    2. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The original has been completely ruined by Lucas with all his remakes and extra scenes.

      Cutesy extra creatures _everywhere_, Han shooting second, that barf-worthy fake scene with Jabba The Hut... it completely changes the feel. And it's awful.

      Take all those out and it's still quite good.

      What ruined Star Wars for me can be described with one word: Ewoks ... Everything else is a mere annoyance, even Jar Jar Binks.

    3. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by segedunum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What ruined Star Wars for me can be described with one word: Ewoks ... Everything else is a mere annoyance, even Jar Jar Binks.

      If you think the Ewoks are worse than Jar Jar then you won't find many who will go along with that one.

    4. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you take the prequels as canon then Obiwan is a really horrible manipulative liar in Ep 4. "Skywalker... now thats a name I haven't heard in a long time" - you mean since you chopped up his father and threw him into a volcano? "Vader betrayed and murdered your father" - we've always known that was a lie, but the fact that he was nearly Luke's father's killer and was lying about this raises it to a whole new level. The "pretending to never have seen the droids before" stuff, the "reluctant warrior" schtick when we know how he actually felt... there's no other way to interpret Ep 4 in conjunction with the prequels other than that he was feigning ignorance in an attempt to manipulate Luke into joining the rebellion in hopes of amending his earlier mistakes. And given that he'd lie (repeatedly) in order to do this... it makes you wonder whether it even was the empire who killed Owen and Beru, rather than Obiwan hiring someone to do it (not like there's any shortage of thugs for hire on Tattooine that he could have paid). I mean, seriously, "Only imperial storm troopers are so precise"? What sort of transparently false "evidence" was that?

      And Luke... what kind of moron was he? He's handed a deadly weapon he's never seen before and immediately points it at his head, then opens it and starts swinging it around... then basically converts religions within minutes of meeting Obiwan. Not just converts, but becomes a zealot, scolding Han about not believing in the force literally like half an hour after he first hears of the concept. His only demonstration of "the force" at that point was having seen Obiwan get an unknown person in a white suit to agree with him, when there's tons of alternative possible explanations for that. Quite simply, if Luke were alive on Earth today, he'd be recruited into a cult in no time flat. Could be quite easy pickings for a group like Daesh as well.

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    5. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by rhazz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The fact that this guy hasn't rewatched the movie since he was a kid implies he really isn't much of a star wars fan to start with - so why the hell would anyone care about his opinion?

    6. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by RabidReindeer · · Score: 5, Funny

      ... then basically converts religions within minutes of meeting Obiwan. Not just converts, but becomes a zealot, scolding Han about not believing in the force literally like half an hour after he first hears of the concept

      Soooo. Typical teenager, eh?

    7. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lucas is that you? There is no one in the universe that thinks C-3PO was at all annoying in the original movies. Please stop. In fact the banter between him an R2D2 when they arrived on Tatooine was creative and funny. Again these are the original theatrical releases and not the prequels nor the modified crap that Lucas put out later.

    8. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by chrisgeleven · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Skywalker... now thats a name I haven't heard in a long time"

      He actually said that about the name Obi-Wan Kenobi, not Skywalker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    9. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is not the review you are looking for ...

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    10. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Many people think the prequels should be shot from a canon.

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    11. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by thoromyr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I take it you are completely unaware of the environment in which Star Wars was created. You might want to take a look at other movies and previous space opera.

      What Lucas actually wanted to do was Flash Gordon, but he got laughed out of the room and someone else got to make that one. But Lucas really wanted to do a Flash Gordon space opera, he had really enjoyed the serials as a kid.

      Now, watch those serials and you will see some of what Star Wars was trying to be. Except that Lucas did it better (no surprise, those serials were not exactly high budget productions and were old when Star Wars was new). In fact, Star Wars was phenomenal. No other scifi movie had been as epic as it was. The fact that it is a hodge podge of Flash Gordon, Hidden Fortress (e.g., c3po and r2d2 on tattoine), Doc Smith's Lensman, etc., is beside the point. No one else had made a movie like Star Wars yet.

      Maybe its because I was old enough to actually remember Star Wars when it came out, but people who were little kids are the ones who seem to have the most issue with it.

      BTW: my son loves Star Wars and likes the originals as well as the prequels. The reason he likes the prequels more is very simple: the first one stars a little boy. Little kids care less about flash than fun so the gorgeous cgi is wasted on him. Luke was young, but Anakin was close enough in age for him to project himself on to very well.

  2. Not the Original Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    In TFA he says he fired up his Apple TV and rented the movie. This is not the original Star Wars. This is the Remastered Fifty Times George Lucas is a dick edition that is probably terrible. Go watch the Despecialized Editions and you might appreciate it more.

  3. I was never meant to be good by argStyopa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back in the day, when Lucas was just a filmmaker, Star Wars was conceived literally as "a cowboy western in space".

    It was SUPPOSED to be action-packed and a little cheesy, with hammy 2d archetypes for characters...

    The way that this subsequently has ended up hallowed in some peoples' minds (including Lucas, who never has apparently missed a step on his own hagiography) does a disservice to what it was really intended to be.

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  4. I did the samw thing.... by RogueyWon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... and I didn't think it had aged too badly. It's more or less what I remembered. A lean, fast-paced space opera, with a handful of iconic scenes and an uncanny ability to raise a smile. It's not a deep or profound movie, which is in some ways part of its charm.

    For me, the Star Wars I loved growing up was never really about the movies. It was about the 1990s games; in particular X-Wing and TIE Fighter, which unlike most other space combat games of the time weren't afraid to allow their starfighters to be complex, tricky beasts, and the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight games. It was also about the early novels; the Timothy Zahn ones in particular, before the later degeneration into unreadability. Those games and books showed a very different Star Wars to the one you saw in the films; darker, more complex and more focussed on detailed world-building, compared to the light-touch magical space-opera of the films.

    That Star Wars is gone now; it took a body blow when the prequels ignored it and since Disney took over the franchise it's been officially retired. But that's fine, I can live with that. I'll go and see the new movie and I hope I'll like it. I'm fairly confident it won't be a mess on a par with the prequels. But it won't be the Star Wars I grew up with.

  5. Lame by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is just lame. For starters, anyone who saw Star Wars once in 1977, and never watched it again until now, is clearly not a big fan of the sci-fi genre in the first place. Even if you managed to avoid it on VHS, DVD, etc, the original trilogy was re-released to theaters multiple times, the last being in 1997. I saw it again on the big screen then, and it held up as well as ever.

    As for his specific points, and how things didn't exactly align to what he remembered from four decades ago, Luke was whiny at first - it is a coming of age story. C3PO has always been a "nervous wreck". He's was a vaudeville type comedy relief. Obi-Wan simply put Luke on the right path and their time together was very short. The movie isn't about Obi-Wan. Costumes were fine, and as for the aliens, I'd rather have practical effects that are slightly flawed than 100% perfect CGI aliens (is that really what he wants??). And finally, it is a very fast paced action movie with only a couple breathers in the whole thing. Yet it manages to create such a vast world with so many nuances in short time - you couldn't take it all in in a single viewing (Ah, maybe that's his problem right there! LOL)

    That article was just silly.

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    1. Re:Lame by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Frankly, I think you just saw Return of the Jedi at precisely the wrong age. Your comment reads like the xbox fanbois who won't play Super Mario Bros or Zelda because its a 'kids game' and they want everyone to know that they only like mature things and therefore are mature.

      I saw RotJ when I was 10. And I loved it.

      Today I watch it and I get that the ewoks are a bit too cute. But all the scenes they are in are still fine. From them finding Leia, to C3P0 pretending to be a deity, to their attack on the shield generator. I just don't see anything wrong with them; such that they 'ruin' the movie.

      They only ruin the movie for someone who wanted... no... needed RotJ to be a "mature" movie so he could enjoy it without people questioning his adulthood. The ewoks aren't "dark" they aren't "serious"... and their presence softens the tone of the movie (especially as Luke was much darker and more serious in this movie and the ewok scenes are spliced with the MUCH darker throne room scenes). But too me RotJ really is quintessentially "Star Wars".

      I watch them again before the release of the new trilogy, this time as an adult, and found the original trilogy to be nothing but movies for kids

      Right. That's all it ever was.

      Apart from the pleasure of reliving childhood memories, I was seriously disappointed.

      That's more on you then on the movies. The movies haven't changed. I re-watched them WITH my kids; and they were just as enjoyable as they were the first time(s).

      Perhaps I'm wrong about you. Or perhaps I'm right and you won't admit it. ;) But whether or not I am right about you specifically, I think a lot of Ewok hate in general is from people who were becoming adults themselves, who wanted Jedi to be a 'mature serious war movie' and not a 'family fun' movie.

      As for the prequels, they are just bad movies that spend far too much time throwing shit in your face then telling a story. And then when they get around to the story telling its just painfully bad.

  6. kinda/sorta like listening to a joke by turkeydance · · Score: 3, Interesting

    hilarious the first time.

  7. This Franco dude is an entitled ass! by EzInKy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was nearly 20 when "Star Wars" first hit the screen and, except for "2001", it was the best science fiction movie to date. Compare it to "War of the Worlds", "The Phantom Planet", Panic In The Year Zero", "Robinson Crusoe On Mars", "Crack In The World", "Farenheit 451", "Planet Of The Apes", etc and you will find nothing comes even close to the epic sweep of adventure that the original "Star Wars" brings to the screen. Hell, I do a rewatch every year and it is still my favorite episode in the series.

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    1. Re:This Franco dude is an entitled ass! by Rei · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Star Wars kind of suffers from the same problem that Tolkien suffers from when one goes back and reads LotR (well, apart from his long-winded writing style): it all feels so cliche now, done to death a million times over. But that's not Tolkein's fault because, while he hardly invented the tropes in LotR, he's the one that really popularized them and inspired a million other works to pick up those tropes and run with them.

      Star Wars certainly had its cheesy elements (a *lot* of them, and they don't start at the ewoks), but it did innovate too. My favorite example is the use of "crappy spaceships". It'd always generally been a sci-fi rule that, unless a ship has been recently damaged in combat, it's a shiny awesome wonder of technology. But the first space ship (after the initial chase scene) we're introduced to in Star Wars is a run-down piece of junk that's always breaking at the most inopportune times. Most of the rebel ships look like they're practically being held together by duct tape and poorly improvised spot welds.

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  8. Re:I've never understood the adult fascination wit by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh, Dad. Stop coming on here and embarrassing me in front of my friends.

  9. Watch the de-specialized versions. by beltsbear · · Score: 3, Informative

    They are in experience in themselves. Watching them was much better than watching any of the remade versions Lucas has put out. The movie has a very genuine and unpretentious feel yet still has all the excitement you remember from when you were younger.

  10. I get it, but don't think it was fair to the movie by King_TJ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Technically, the author of the original article is probably right. C3P0 *was* a pretty annoying robot, and I remember having the realization that he grated on my nerves a bit the last time I re-watched the original Star Wars episode 4 too.

    And sure, the quality of the costumes of the aliens aren't all that impressive by today's standards.

    But I wonder how many other movies, cartoons or TV shows he remembered fondly as a kid but didn't ever re-watch as an adult? Because wow, if you do that with some of them I personally loved as a kid, it's brutal how awful they really are. (I grew up liking shows like "Super Friends" in the 70's -- and that's a GREAT example of a cartoon best left as a childhood memory and not EVER revisited!)

    I think with the original Star Wars series though? I've gone into it with expectations adjusted for the era. Before Star Wars, there were hardly ANY movies dealing with aliens or outer space that weren't completely cheesy! Viewed through that filter, I find it stands up pretty well today as some of the best film-making of the 70's dealing with the genre. Those cool blaster sounds? They came up with banging on steel tension wires holding up telephone poles to get those! They didn't have all the computer and CGI tech. we take for granted today to pull any cool sound desired out of a hat. And new technology had to be developed just to film Star Wars, with cameras running along wires and so forth.

    Not only that, but the first time I re-watched Star Wars as a young adult, I remember being really shocked/impressed by the complete lack of cursing in the films. That became such a "staple" for any movie with action and explosions in it, it seemed strangely missing from Star Wars. But that's part of the beauty of it. Nobody needed to drop an F bomb to get the point across that someone was scared or tense or angry. It was all kept very clean and kid-friendly without becoming sappy.