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Writer: Why Watching the Original Star Wars Again Was a Bad Idea (cnet.com)

An anonymous reader writes: CNET's Michael Franco recently sat down and watched Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope again in preparation for the release of The Force Awakens later this week. His advice to anyone who's thinking of doing the same is to save your childhood memories and skip watching it again. Unlike wine, Franco doesn't think the movie gets better with age. He writes: " Since that first viewing, Luke, Vader and company have loomed large in my imagination, and clearly in the imaginations of many other adults introduced to the sci-fi franchise as kids. So have the rest of the characters, as well as the sounds of a lightsaber, a Wookiee and a TIE fighter and the idea that someday I would learn to control people through the power of suggestion and a wave of my hand. But it now seems that maybe all that got a little gilded in my memory."

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  1. wah wah wah clickbait by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can save yourself the trouble of this one if you just read thi quote:

    I know I've been spoiled by movies with bigger and bigger budgets over the years, but it seems like Lucas could have leveled up those costumes.

    If you're the kind of person who can't appreciate something as being from an era, because OOH FAST SHINY LOOK A SQUIRREL then OK, rewatching the original films may not be for you. Otherwise, they're still just as good (or not) as they were when they were new.

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    1. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The original has been completely ruined by Lucas with all his remakes and extra scenes.

      Cutesy extra creatures _everywhere_, Han shooting second, that barf-worthy fake scene with Jabba The Hut... it completely changes the feel. And it's awful.

      Take all those out and it's still quite good.

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    2. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The original has been completely ruined by Lucas with all his remakes and extra scenes.

      Cutesy extra creatures _everywhere_, Han shooting second, that barf-worthy fake scene with Jabba The Hut... it completely changes the feel. And it's awful.

      Take all those out and it's still quite good.

      What ruined Star Wars for me can be described with one word: Ewoks ... Everything else is a mere annoyance, even Jar Jar Binks.

    3. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by segedunum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What ruined Star Wars for me can be described with one word: Ewoks ... Everything else is a mere annoyance, even Jar Jar Binks.

      If you think the Ewoks are worse than Jar Jar then you won't find many who will go along with that one.

    4. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      What ruined Star Wars for me can be described with one word: Ewoks ...

      Agree 100%. Ewoks is where I stopped watching.

      And "Ewoks" is basically what Lucas added to the original to ruin it.

      Not actual Ewoks but "Ewok" look and feel.

      Barf.

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    5. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      They were the worst UNTIL Jar-Jar. They did spoil the anticipation felt after Empire, that's for sure. I was only 8 when that movie came out - but I was probably 9 or 10 before I saw it on TV. That's when I officially felt too old for Star Wars. And I was still playing with GI Joe and Transformers.

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    6. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you take the prequels as canon then Obiwan is a really horrible manipulative liar in Ep 4. "Skywalker... now thats a name I haven't heard in a long time" - you mean since you chopped up his father and threw him into a volcano? "Vader betrayed and murdered your father" - we've always known that was a lie, but the fact that he was nearly Luke's father's killer and was lying about this raises it to a whole new level. The "pretending to never have seen the droids before" stuff, the "reluctant warrior" schtick when we know how he actually felt... there's no other way to interpret Ep 4 in conjunction with the prequels other than that he was feigning ignorance in an attempt to manipulate Luke into joining the rebellion in hopes of amending his earlier mistakes. And given that he'd lie (repeatedly) in order to do this... it makes you wonder whether it even was the empire who killed Owen and Beru, rather than Obiwan hiring someone to do it (not like there's any shortage of thugs for hire on Tattooine that he could have paid). I mean, seriously, "Only imperial storm troopers are so precise"? What sort of transparently false "evidence" was that?

      And Luke... what kind of moron was he? He's handed a deadly weapon he's never seen before and immediately points it at his head, then opens it and starts swinging it around... then basically converts religions within minutes of meeting Obiwan. Not just converts, but becomes a zealot, scolding Han about not believing in the force literally like half an hour after he first hears of the concept. His only demonstration of "the force" at that point was having seen Obiwan get an unknown person in a white suit to agree with him, when there's tons of alternative possible explanations for that. Quite simply, if Luke were alive on Earth today, he'd be recruited into a cult in no time flat. Could be quite easy pickings for a group like Daesh as well.

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    7. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by rhazz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The fact that this guy hasn't rewatched the movie since he was a kid implies he really isn't much of a star wars fan to start with - so why the hell would anyone care about his opinion?

    8. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by RabidReindeer · · Score: 5, Funny

      ... then basically converts religions within minutes of meeting Obiwan. Not just converts, but becomes a zealot, scolding Han about not believing in the force literally like half an hour after he first hears of the concept

      Soooo. Typical teenager, eh?

    9. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 2

      What ruined Star Wars for me can be described with one word: Ewoks ... Everything else is a mere annoyance, even Jar Jar Binks.

      If you think the Ewoks are worse than Jar Jar then you won't find many who will go along with that one.

      I don't really care about Jar Jar Binks. He's a stupid comic relief character that went off the rails and he doesn't appear that often anyway. As annoying caracters go C-3PO annoys me way more than Jar Jar because C-3PO is just as cheesy but he has way more screen time than Jar Jar got (at least it feels that way to me but maybe that's because C-3PO annoys me more). Having said that, "Great teddy-bear Luau of Endor" basically ruined the second half of that movie when it could have been a cool jungle battle full of Wookies bashing storm trooper's heads in.

    10. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by drainbramage · · Score: 2

      That's not a potatoe.

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    11. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lucas is that you? There is no one in the universe that thinks C-3PO was at all annoying in the original movies. Please stop. In fact the banter between him an R2D2 when they arrived on Tatooine was creative and funny. Again these are the original theatrical releases and not the prequels nor the modified crap that Lucas put out later.

    12. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

      Exactly. The original stand the test of time. Hell my wife likes them. She loathes the prequels.

    13. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by William+Baric · · Score: 2

      We should care about his opinion BECAUSE he's not a Star Wars fan.

    14. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by chrisgeleven · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Skywalker... now thats a name I haven't heard in a long time"

      He actually said that about the name Obi-Wan Kenobi, not Skywalker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    15. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by pscottdv · · Score: 2

      When the scene was filmed, Ford walked around behind the actor playing Jabba while talking to him. Since they had established Jabba as a giant slug prior to deciding to put that scene back into episode IV, they had to figure out how to handle it. They couldn't cut the part where Han walks around behind him, because of the continuous dialog. The compromised by having him step on the tail.

      The stupid was not just leaving the scene out as they did for the original release. It adds nothing to Han's back story that our imaginations hadn't already provided.

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    16. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is not the review you are looking for ...

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    17. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      I sat through RotJ because of the first two relatively great movies. RotJ seemed like a 20 minute serial with filler, being the Ewoks, and that filler was somewhere between terrible and horrible. A bunch of anthropomorphic stone age koala bears take down energy weapon toting enhanced sensor soldiers. What more needs be said?

      JarJar wasn't even what sealed the deal in ep 1, but the incredibly long winded childhood story. I did see ep 1 and 2 when they aired on TV in the 5 times a day rotation on one of the cable channels and you couldn't avoid it. You know - you just have to see the train wreck. And what a long winded train wreck it was. I'd say that ep 1 could be condensed down to less than 10 minutes of actual story, ep 2 maybe 20, if you're ok with a plodding pace, and hopefully according to others, ep 3 could fill the final 25-30 min required for a single hour TV show with commercials. Note: I have not seen ep 3, just snippets. Vin Diesel is an Oscar contending actor compared to what I saw there.

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    18. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2

      Return of the Jedi became pretty much, "Revenge of the Muppets". That's when it all started going downhill.
      I do think the anti Jar-Jar hype is over the top, (he was annoying but I've seen worse) but everyone has to be on board with it now, because of the "racist" connotation.. despite the fact that other characters (the Trade Federation) who seemed to be little more than shallow caricatures of Asians didn't so much as raise an eyebrow.

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    19. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

      I thought the theory was much stronger with Yoda as the undercover Sith, but in either case, it would have been an instance of a character being revealed to be to someone radically different than we realized, which underscored many of the best plot points of the original trilogy, but were starky (in comparison) absent from the sequels, unless you count Padme's "stunt double" and I don't. That added nothing to the story and could only have served to confuse viewers.

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    20. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

      There were changes that I thought were fine and added to the movies. There were clearly places where they added details that were likely only left out originally because of budget or technical constraints. There were a couple of "beauty shots" of the X-Wings on their way to the Death Star that were a really nice addition, for instance. And fixing little mistakes, etc., is something I would whole-heartedly support. Or how the Emperor originally appeared like some weird bug-eyed muppet. Changing that was a good improvement.

      Of course, there were a lot of additions that were just dumb, or worse ("Greedo shot first" being probably the most heinous). Aside from all the other reasons people hate the change, I think one of the most ridiculous doesn't even get mentioned... Han Solo's head is missed by a blaster bolt hitting inches away and he doesn't even blink.

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    21. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Many people think the prequels should be shot from a canon.

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    22. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by rycamor · · Score: 2

      I have had exactly the opposite experience as this "journalist". Upon re-watching Episode 4 after more than 20 years, I was struck by how superior the set design and and acting was to the prequels. Yes, it's nowhere near as glamorous or sheened to perfection by CGI, WHICH IS EXACTLY THE POINT. Everything had an authentic air to it that you just don't get later on. And this magic is strongest in the first two movies.

      I Tor'd the original Han-shot-first edition, of course, and watched it looking intently for any real gaps in continuity or jarring inconsistencies in the sets, costumes, etc... none. It really was a work of art, top to bottom, in spite of the low budget.

    23. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by malditaenvidia · · Score: 2

      They were an analogy for the VC expelling the U.S. armed forces from Vietnam. Man, Star Wars is just too deep for you.

    24. Re:wah wah wah clickbait by thoromyr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I take it you are completely unaware of the environment in which Star Wars was created. You might want to take a look at other movies and previous space opera.

      What Lucas actually wanted to do was Flash Gordon, but he got laughed out of the room and someone else got to make that one. But Lucas really wanted to do a Flash Gordon space opera, he had really enjoyed the serials as a kid.

      Now, watch those serials and you will see some of what Star Wars was trying to be. Except that Lucas did it better (no surprise, those serials were not exactly high budget productions and were old when Star Wars was new). In fact, Star Wars was phenomenal. No other scifi movie had been as epic as it was. The fact that it is a hodge podge of Flash Gordon, Hidden Fortress (e.g., c3po and r2d2 on tattoine), Doc Smith's Lensman, etc., is beside the point. No one else had made a movie like Star Wars yet.

      Maybe its because I was old enough to actually remember Star Wars when it came out, but people who were little kids are the ones who seem to have the most issue with it.

      BTW: my son loves Star Wars and likes the originals as well as the prequels. The reason he likes the prequels more is very simple: the first one stars a little boy. Little kids care less about flash than fun so the gorgeous cgi is wasted on him. Luke was young, but Anakin was close enough in age for him to project himself on to very well.

    25. Re: wah wah wah clickbait by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 2

      This week i watched the despecialised editions of the original trilogy on an 11 foot projector screen. Seeing them for the first time in years writ modestly large in HD i can say this: The low budget of Star Wars is very obvious when compared to Empire Strikes Back. It's still an astonishing accomplishment for the age and the money, but some of the effects and costumes look shaky as hell under the cold light of day. Luckily the inventiveness and ambition of them make the rough edges really charming and still evocative. Empire on the other hand is obviously much better than the other two. As a lifelong Star wars obsessive, i've always rated the original trilogy pretty evenly in terms of quality. But now it feels pretty obvious to me that Jedi is far too casual and played for laughs for any of the stakes to be felt. Apart from the space battle, which is stupendous, nothing ever lands as if any of the characters are taking any of it seriously, and no ever feels in any real danger. Everyone is acting like it's all a walk in the park. Contrast this with Empire, where they are always on the back foot, either running away or resignedly walking into what they assume is certain death. One other thing i noticed over all three films is that everyone is an asshole. Especially in the first one. Except for the very end they are just constantly rude and obnoxious to each other. In the other films they only seem to be nice to each other when they think someone is going to die. And Luke is just wall to wall arrogant in Jedi. The teddy bears picnic at the end of jedi felt like an anticlimax. It needed more, but not the pan pipe jubilee from the special edition. Something else. Not sure what. All that having been said, i still fucking love all three of them.

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  2. Not the Original Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    In TFA he says he fired up his Apple TV and rented the movie. This is not the original Star Wars. This is the Remastered Fifty Times George Lucas is a dick edition that is probably terrible. Go watch the Despecialized Editions and you might appreciate it more.

  3. I was never meant to be good by argStyopa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back in the day, when Lucas was just a filmmaker, Star Wars was conceived literally as "a cowboy western in space".

    It was SUPPOSED to be action-packed and a little cheesy, with hammy 2d archetypes for characters...

    The way that this subsequently has ended up hallowed in some peoples' minds (including Lucas, who never has apparently missed a step on his own hagiography) does a disservice to what it was really intended to be.

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    1. Re:I was never meant to be good by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      They look a lot more real as well. The props and special effects sometimes look a bit cheesy and dated by today's standards, but they still hold up surprisingly well. And I prefer them over the way overdone CGI-gasm of the prequels, which often end up looking fake. Not special-effects fake, but "no one in their right mind would design / build / fly like that". The acting in the prequels was horrible as well; almost everything is being acted out in front of a green screen, and it shows. Some people commented on the Spanish dubbed versions being much better because you'd at least have voice acting from people who are trained to convey some emotion while sitting in a recording booth.

      Thankfully, it seems that the upcoming episode is closer to the originals in look & feel. Lucas not being in charge anymore is probably the best thing that could possibly happen to the franchise. Anyway, I'm planning to watch episodes 4-6 this weekend as well. The original versions. thankyouverymuch.

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    2. Re:I was never meant to be good by epine · · Score: 2

      Some people commented on the Spanish dubbed versions being much better because you'd at least have voice acting from people who are trained to convey some emotion while sitting in a recording booth.

      I'm filing this tidbit away.

      If I'm ever forced to watch the prequels again, I'm going for a Spanish dub with English subtitles. (Once Google perfects Glass II, we can all have our own private audio and caption feed, while still sharing the same buttery, communal popcorn.)

      Perhaps Glass Halo Elite Strikes Back will have an option to realtime rotoscope the Taliban Tribbles of Tropicana in the style of A Scanner Darkly. Plus, every time Jarjar sticks out his tongue, we also get a startling Gimli breaking-his-axe-on-the-ring effect.

      Man, it would take a lot. Probably also a trunk full of Fear and Loathing.

    3. Re:I was never meant to be good by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

      But it wasn't the CGI excess that killed the prequels (although it helped), it was the wooden acting, the horrible dialog, endless scenes of people sitting around talking (but not about stuff that was all that interesting), a political plot that not fleshed out enough to be interesting or really understandable, and the horribly uneven pacing. Short action sequences, long drawn out talky parts, 87 minutes of pod racing without 1 molecule of drama, "Spinning is good; I'll try that.", a love story that made "The Silence of the Lambs" look sweet and well-adjusted, a 115 minute light-saber duel over lava that was worse than watching someone else play a video game because again it wasn't in the same timezone as drama because there was nothing as stake, the end was pre-ordained.

      It's not that I object to the idea of the movie having some depth and political intrigue... I can point to Star Trek episodes that are nothing but political intrigue and people sitting around talking that I think are brilliant, but they also have a world that's fleshed out enough that these ideas can be explored in depth. You can't do that in a 4 paragraph crawl at the beginning, and expect people to care.

      It's Star Wars: it's space monks vs. evil cyborgs. With spaceships.

      Trying to make it about more than that in the format of a movie is a waste of time. The original trilogy didn't and was all the better for it.

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  4. I did the samw thing.... by RogueyWon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... and I didn't think it had aged too badly. It's more or less what I remembered. A lean, fast-paced space opera, with a handful of iconic scenes and an uncanny ability to raise a smile. It's not a deep or profound movie, which is in some ways part of its charm.

    For me, the Star Wars I loved growing up was never really about the movies. It was about the 1990s games; in particular X-Wing and TIE Fighter, which unlike most other space combat games of the time weren't afraid to allow their starfighters to be complex, tricky beasts, and the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight games. It was also about the early novels; the Timothy Zahn ones in particular, before the later degeneration into unreadability. Those games and books showed a very different Star Wars to the one you saw in the films; darker, more complex and more focussed on detailed world-building, compared to the light-touch magical space-opera of the films.

    That Star Wars is gone now; it took a body blow when the prequels ignored it and since Disney took over the franchise it's been officially retired. But that's fine, I can live with that. I'll go and see the new movie and I hope I'll like it. I'm fairly confident it won't be a mess on a par with the prequels. But it won't be the Star Wars I grew up with.

    1. Re:I did the samw thing.... by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 2

      Timothy Zahn is a cheap hack who writes dimestore pulp. His Star Wars novels wavered between slavish consistency with the films (meaning no character development) and utter disregard for the films (creatures that exist outwith the energy that binds the entire universe together...?) leaving a sense of sheer mediocrity.

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    2. Re:I did the samw thing.... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2

      I loved Zahn's Thrawn trilogy. I don't really remember any of the other Start Wars books I bought, and I gave up on them fairly quickly, but those were good.

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  5. Lame by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is just lame. For starters, anyone who saw Star Wars once in 1977, and never watched it again until now, is clearly not a big fan of the sci-fi genre in the first place. Even if you managed to avoid it on VHS, DVD, etc, the original trilogy was re-released to theaters multiple times, the last being in 1997. I saw it again on the big screen then, and it held up as well as ever.

    As for his specific points, and how things didn't exactly align to what he remembered from four decades ago, Luke was whiny at first - it is a coming of age story. C3PO has always been a "nervous wreck". He's was a vaudeville type comedy relief. Obi-Wan simply put Luke on the right path and their time together was very short. The movie isn't about Obi-Wan. Costumes were fine, and as for the aliens, I'd rather have practical effects that are slightly flawed than 100% perfect CGI aliens (is that really what he wants??). And finally, it is a very fast paced action movie with only a couple breathers in the whole thing. Yet it manages to create such a vast world with so many nuances in short time - you couldn't take it all in in a single viewing (Ah, maybe that's his problem right there! LOL)

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    1. Re:Lame by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 2

      Word.

      After over 10 years or so I just watched the original trilogy in preparation for the new Star Wars, and found the movies just as awesome as ever, or even more so. The only reason I didn't watch them for so long was that I refused to watch the special editions, and for a long time there was no alternative. Now, thanks to the despecialized editions - there is finally a definitive way to watch the originals again.

      The movies - are - fucking - awesome - period.

      One of the reasons they are still so great now is precisely beause of the lame, cookie-cutter, Hollywood standardized movies of the modern era, over reliant on special effects with predictable plots, sub-par dialoge, forced humor, etc. Watching Star Wars again ist actually a refreshing experience.

      I was also surprised at how good Mark Hamill's acting is, considering he is probably the biggest newbie on the set, he actually shows the strongest performance in my opinion. After R2D2 of course.

      Michael Franco needs to get a fucking clue.

    2. Re:Lame by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Frankly, I think you just saw Return of the Jedi at precisely the wrong age. Your comment reads like the xbox fanbois who won't play Super Mario Bros or Zelda because its a 'kids game' and they want everyone to know that they only like mature things and therefore are mature.

      I saw RotJ when I was 10. And I loved it.

      Today I watch it and I get that the ewoks are a bit too cute. But all the scenes they are in are still fine. From them finding Leia, to C3P0 pretending to be a deity, to their attack on the shield generator. I just don't see anything wrong with them; such that they 'ruin' the movie.

      They only ruin the movie for someone who wanted... no... needed RotJ to be a "mature" movie so he could enjoy it without people questioning his adulthood. The ewoks aren't "dark" they aren't "serious"... and their presence softens the tone of the movie (especially as Luke was much darker and more serious in this movie and the ewok scenes are spliced with the MUCH darker throne room scenes). But too me RotJ really is quintessentially "Star Wars".

      I watch them again before the release of the new trilogy, this time as an adult, and found the original trilogy to be nothing but movies for kids

      Right. That's all it ever was.

      Apart from the pleasure of reliving childhood memories, I was seriously disappointed.

      That's more on you then on the movies. The movies haven't changed. I re-watched them WITH my kids; and they were just as enjoyable as they were the first time(s).

      Perhaps I'm wrong about you. Or perhaps I'm right and you won't admit it. ;) But whether or not I am right about you specifically, I think a lot of Ewok hate in general is from people who were becoming adults themselves, who wanted Jedi to be a 'mature serious war movie' and not a 'family fun' movie.

      As for the prequels, they are just bad movies that spend far too much time throwing shit in your face then telling a story. And then when they get around to the story telling its just painfully bad.

    3. Re:Lame by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

      Did you know "Planet of the Apes" was rated "G"?

      All I can say it, you shouldn't go back and read fairy tales from before the last century. You might gasp yourself to death.

      Believe it or not, there was a time when children's fare didn't automatically mean something so sterile and artificial that no self-aware person could take it seriously.

      Perhaps this is why the news is full of college students, legal adults by the way, who are whining and pitching a fit because they've been made to feel uncomfortable by mere words and are demanding someone (else) make it stop.

      Perhaps this is why we've created a generation of kids who are so used to having everything spoon fed to them and to being led around and handed everything that adolescence routinely extends in the late 20s and beyond, and for many, never truly ends.

      Perhaps this is why a majority of the country is trying create and expand a Nanny State to allow them, or anyone else, to be reduced in responsibility and duty, to the level of infants regardless of what they are truly capable of.

      Perhaps this is why we are heading for a society in which it's been made impossible to fail, and therefore impossible to also truly succeed.

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  6. kinda/sorta like listening to a joke by turkeydance · · Score: 3, Interesting

    hilarious the first time.

  7. I've never understood the adult fascination with by mark_reh · · Score: 2, Informative

    the whole Star Wars universe. The original was clearly a kid's movie, as were all the follow on stories. It's like Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny- there's something wrong with you if you haven't grown out of it by the time you're 8 YO. I mean really, one of the movies had teddy bears ferchrissakes!

    I do a lot of 3D printing and I swear if I see one more Yoda head or storm trooper head or light saber being printed by an adult I'm going to scream! If you look at sites like Thingiverse or Youmagine, 70% of it is iPhone cases, 29.9% is star wars figures, and the rest is good/useful/interesting stuff with some artistic or functional merit. I wish they'd spin off separate sites for that stuff so I could avoid searching through all that dreck...

  8. This Franco dude is an entitled ass! by EzInKy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was nearly 20 when "Star Wars" first hit the screen and, except for "2001", it was the best science fiction movie to date. Compare it to "War of the Worlds", "The Phantom Planet", Panic In The Year Zero", "Robinson Crusoe On Mars", "Crack In The World", "Farenheit 451", "Planet Of The Apes", etc and you will find nothing comes even close to the epic sweep of adventure that the original "Star Wars" brings to the screen. Hell, I do a rewatch every year and it is still my favorite episode in the series.

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    1. Re:This Franco dude is an entitled ass! by Rei · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Star Wars kind of suffers from the same problem that Tolkien suffers from when one goes back and reads LotR (well, apart from his long-winded writing style): it all feels so cliche now, done to death a million times over. But that's not Tolkein's fault because, while he hardly invented the tropes in LotR, he's the one that really popularized them and inspired a million other works to pick up those tropes and run with them.

      Star Wars certainly had its cheesy elements (a *lot* of them, and they don't start at the ewoks), but it did innovate too. My favorite example is the use of "crappy spaceships". It'd always generally been a sci-fi rule that, unless a ship has been recently damaged in combat, it's a shiny awesome wonder of technology. But the first space ship (after the initial chase scene) we're introduced to in Star Wars is a run-down piece of junk that's always breaking at the most inopportune times. Most of the rebel ships look like they're practically being held together by duct tape and poorly improvised spot welds.

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  9. Re:I've never understood the adult fascination wit by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh, Dad. Stop coming on here and embarrassing me in front of my friends.

  10. Watch the de-specialized versions. by beltsbear · · Score: 3, Informative

    They are in experience in themselves. Watching them was much better than watching any of the remade versions Lucas has put out. The movie has a very genuine and unpretentious feel yet still has all the excitement you remember from when you were younger.

  11. Re:Lightsabers are dangerous by Rei · · Score: 2

    Not to mention that at one point while Luke is fiddling with it he actually has it pointed at his head ;)

    That said, I think the best thing about the light sabers is how it seems to automatically inspire in nerds the same thought process: "Okay, clearly there's no obvious way in compliance with the laws of physics to make something like that... what's the closest one could actually get?

    The best I ever came up with is that it's a combination electric/plasma sword around a telescoping core. So the sound you hear on extension/retraction is a physical object expanding or retracting into the hilt. Inside it would be intense electromagnets creating a magnetic trap to circulate plasma along the exterior of the "saber". The plasma (generated by discharge in the hilt, like a plasma cutter) creates the glow, and a particular colour could be maintained by the injection of various ionizing gases that tend to emit at certain frequencies (this could be done on purpose for aesthetics, or they could just be a side effect of a coolant in the core boiling off). The plasma sheath would obviously be hot and destructive, but not intense enough on its own to, say, cut through thick metal doors or the like (if the plasma were that intense then it would be so bright you'd need welding goggles whenever you turned it on... unless you have it so high energy of its light emitted is in the X-ray spectrum, which would hardly be safer!). When the sword strikes a conductive object, however, it creates a electrical path between the plasma and its core, through the conductive surface. Detecting this, the hilt (which obviously requires an intense power source) pumps a tremendous current into the plasma (low voltage, high amperage, like is used in welding), with the central core acting as the return (either actively cooled or high-temperature superconductive). So ohmic heating is what does the melting of the target, like in welding.

    Obviously the saber and the surface being cut would become extremely bright during the cutting (something not seen in the films), but that's pretty unavoidable when you're cutting metals (even normal earth metals, let alone whatever super metals exist "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away") Also, I'm not sure how the magnetic fields would interact when two swords struck each other. If one envisions the interference causing the occasional unstable, temporary conductive path from the sheath to the core then that could explain the electrical cracking while they're in contact (obviously if it was a constant conductive path then they'd just cut right through each others' cores).

    That's the best I ever came up with ;)

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  12. I get it, but don't think it was fair to the movie by King_TJ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Technically, the author of the original article is probably right. C3P0 *was* a pretty annoying robot, and I remember having the realization that he grated on my nerves a bit the last time I re-watched the original Star Wars episode 4 too.

    And sure, the quality of the costumes of the aliens aren't all that impressive by today's standards.

    But I wonder how many other movies, cartoons or TV shows he remembered fondly as a kid but didn't ever re-watch as an adult? Because wow, if you do that with some of them I personally loved as a kid, it's brutal how awful they really are. (I grew up liking shows like "Super Friends" in the 70's -- and that's a GREAT example of a cartoon best left as a childhood memory and not EVER revisited!)

    I think with the original Star Wars series though? I've gone into it with expectations adjusted for the era. Before Star Wars, there were hardly ANY movies dealing with aliens or outer space that weren't completely cheesy! Viewed through that filter, I find it stands up pretty well today as some of the best film-making of the 70's dealing with the genre. Those cool blaster sounds? They came up with banging on steel tension wires holding up telephone poles to get those! They didn't have all the computer and CGI tech. we take for granted today to pull any cool sound desired out of a hat. And new technology had to be developed just to film Star Wars, with cameras running along wires and so forth.

    Not only that, but the first time I re-watched Star Wars as a young adult, I remember being really shocked/impressed by the complete lack of cursing in the films. That became such a "staple" for any movie with action and explosions in it, it seemed strangely missing from Star Wars. But that's part of the beauty of it. Nobody needed to drop an F bomb to get the point across that someone was scared or tense or angry. It was all kept very clean and kid-friendly without becoming sappy.

  13. Re:I've never understood the adult fascination wit by SecurityGuy · · Score: 2

    Because we were kids once and nostalgia is a thing.

  14. the effects this, the dialogue that, cp3o this... by brunokummel · · Score: 2

    For a person who says he wasn't much of a whiner when he was 9, the author sure got better at it over the years....

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