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"Credible" Bomb Threat Closes, Evacuates All Los Angeles Public Schools

The Washington Post reports that all Los Angeles public schools have been closed for the day after a "'credible threat' of violence to students at numerous schools in the sprawling district, and a schools official confirmed that it was a bomb threat to the school district." According to the Houston Chronicle, a law enforcement official speaking anonymously with the Associated Press said that the threat "was emailed to a school board member and appeared to come from overseas. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation. The official says the threat was sent late Monday. Superintendent Ramon Cortines says the threat was made against students at many of the district's schools." The Los Angeles Unified School District, the second-largest school system in the U.S., is no picnic to close; the New York Times notes that the closure throws into disarray "the lives of millions of Angelenos — students, parents, teachers and other school staff members."

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  1. So vague is has to be true? by s.petry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not sure how this is being spun where you are, but think for a minute. 650,000 students are being sent home because of a "credible" threat. I might be convinced that a school was threatened, but the complete district of LA is bullsh$*. Someone is attempting to change the definition of the word "credible" here.

    Before you "but the children", give me the percentage of terrorist activities or even bombings where someone gave warning.

    No matter what though, you can bet your ass this will be used as propaganda to argue for more government and more freedom loss to the same.

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    1. Re:So vague is has to be true? by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This isn't the first time it's happened in the last couple of months either. Quebec had 71 schools threatened with bomb threats and shootings in November a few weeks prior to that several schools in Ottawa were threatened as well. It almost seems like someone/group is doing this because they know that people will overreact, and of course if something did happen people would be screaming bloody murder because they didn't overreact.

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    2. Re:So vague is has to be true? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Before you "but the children", give me the percentage of terrorist activities or even bombings where someone gave warning.

      I can't give you a lot of digits of precision, but here's the number I came up with: more than 0%. The warning is the terrorism. You don't have to murder anyone to be a terrorist (though it sure helps).

      How to be a terrorist: Do something scary, preferably targeting a society of cowards. Did you scare people into overreacting? Yes: mission accomplished, you're a good terrorist. No: You're a bad terrorist, so don't quit your engineering day job.

      They probably didn't scare any students ("yay, day off!") but the parents were hit. As for how successful it was, I'll wait for the media to tell me. Everyone, please remember to FREAK OUT, so that we can guarantee a repeat of this cheap tactic. I know I can count on Republican candidates to join the terrorists on this, but let's all please try to remember to include the progressives too: kids need more days off like this! All that pot isn't going to smoke itself!

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    3. Re:So vague is has to be true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Which is why it's bullshit when that school claimed that kid made a bomb hoax and punished him for it.

      1) The kid claimed it was a clock all the time.
      2) Nobody seriously thought it was a bomb. If the school and cops really thought it was a bomb they should have evacuated the schools as they did for this incident. Not have people be around it for hours.

      Yes most of us suspect the kid is being a smart ass or trolling the school. But that never used to require getting the US cops involved, you just have the teacher go "nice try smart ass". And we all know that the US cops are more dangerous to innocent people than "bomb hoaxes" that everyone knows is a prank (and thus is willing to sit near it for hours).

    4. Re:So vague is has to be true? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      ETA (the Basque terrorists) and RAF (Red Army Faction; German terrorists) also customarily phoned in warnings. It's pretty much standard procedure for European terror groups: they don't actually want to kill people, because that looks bad, but they still want to carry out a bombing to show how serious they are, so they give a warning.

      Pretty much just the recent Islamic terrorists don't give warnings. They just talk about it beforehand on Facebook, but none of the agents who are supposed to be monitoring them give a damn.

    5. Re:So vague is has to be true? by modecx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just imagine the alternative: You're the superintendent, and it was discovered that your received a somewhat credible threat, after something actually happened--no matter how trifling in the grand scheme. You know full well that you'd be publicly crucified by the entire nation's media, maybe you'd even be inquisitioned by Congress. You'd almost certianly lose your six figure job, and become unemployable to that standard ever again. You probably lose everything you worked your entire life for, and it would probably break up your family as well.

      If you throw up the red flag, none of this happens, except people raise an eyebrow, and some kids get to take the day off, some tax dollars get wasted and the SWAT guys get to go play Rambo in a bunch of empty schools.

      Which path do you chose?

      If I was in his/her shoes, I'd sure as fuck play the CYA card too.

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    6. Re:So vague is has to be true? by codeAlDente · · Score: 2

      You obviously didn't spend any time this morning telling your kids why their school's closed. Saying this didn't scare any students is pure ignorance.

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    7. Re:So vague is has to be true? by MikeMo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This. ISIS doesn't phone in warnings, they kill people. If they had a bomb in the schools, they wouldn't say a thing. Now, all they have to do is phone it in from time to time in various states and they've succeeded.

    8. Re: So vague is has to be true? by mwehle · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except that California elected a Republican Arnold as Governor for a spell. Much of Cali's representation is also Republican despite the liberal cities such as San Fran.

      Yes, and before Schwarzenegger in my memory we had Pete Wilson, Deukmejian, and Ronald Reagan as well as Gray Davis and Jerry Brown. In the Senate before Feinstein and Boxer we had Pete Wilson and Hayakawa as well as Cranston. California politics are a mixed bag. The state which launched both Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon on their paths to the White House can hardly be seen as the socialist paradise some provincial thinkers make it out to be.

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    9. Re: So vague is has to be true? by Talderas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really, california (and texas.. and new york) should be broken up into smaller states.

      Their population's representation in the Senate and house are grossly smaller than those from many other states.

      The Senate is not there to represent the people. Perhaps you should sue your high school for giving you a piss poor civics education.

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    10. Re: So vague is has to be true? by jd2112 · · Score: 2

      Don't forget Regan and Nixon.
      California is very diverse politically.

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    11. Re:So vague is has to be true? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      No, trifling is when the risk to life and limb from driving in LA traffic exceeds the risk to life and limb from terror threats;

      If you're the principal, and someone at your school is killed by terrorists, it is no longer trifling. It doesn't matter what the odds of it were beforehand, or the odds of them happening again.

      You seem to have trouble seeing things from the viewpoint of the people who are in the situation.

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    12. Re:So vague is has to be true? by neminem · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I were an awful terrorist that really wanted to make the whole country go crazy, I'd *absolutely* call in "credible" bomb threats like this. I'd keep doing them randomly until someone told the superintendent that he *cannot* keep closing schools like this, it's making everyones' jobs impossible and losing millions of dollars of taxpayer money.

      *Then* I'd blow up a school.

      Luckily, I'm not a terrorist.

    13. Re: So vague is has to be true? by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      We've had lots of Republican governors. California is very solidly purple through and through. Silicon Valley is mostly liberal though with enclaves of extremely wealthy people interested in a government that helps them keep it. It is nowhere as nearly conservative or libertarian as Orange Country for instance. Libertarians may be more common than normal in Silicon Valley than elsewhere, but they're still uncommon.

    14. Re:So vague is has to be true? by reboot246 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Because there was a warning and no bombs were found, I suspect that it was a test to see how L.A. would react and what their resources were. The real attack will come without warning.

      The next time might involve bombs designed to go off when the schools are being searched so as to endanger the people looking for them.

      The enemy is not stupid and they know exactly what they're doing; they've had so much experience at spreading terror.

    15. Re:So vague is has to be true? by bughunter · · Score: 2

      Jesus H Christ on a PET 8032, this was no fucking enemy, it was some 4chan troll who didn't want to take his finals today.

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    16. Re:So vague is has to be true? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      This is what happens when you create an asymmetric war. We prefer to fight from the safety and comfort of an air conditioned office using our drones, rather than on the ground. It's safer for the troops but means that they are basically impossible to harm, so IS and other groups go after civilians instead.

      If the West wants to get involved, it needs to get involved instead of launching missiles from thousands of kilometres away.

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    17. Re:So vague is has to be true? by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      The next time might involve bombs designed to go off when the schools are being searched so as to endanger the people looking for them.

      This was one of the reasons the PIRA during the Troubles liked to give some sort of bomb warning: it meant that they got to kill some police or Army personnel rather than random civilians, which was in theory better from a public relations point of view.

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  2. We've seen this before by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Funny

    A threat that led to the closing and search of every public school? They should send some police over to the LA branch of the Federal Reserve, just in case.

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  3. Nuttatology 2.0 by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Unfortunately, extremists are learning they can create lots of chaos withOUT the grandiose 9/11-style plans, which often leave too many clues to hide. Many had speculated on this shift before, but it looks like it's now happening.

    1. Re:Nuttatology 2.0 by mjwx · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, extremists are learning they can create lots of chaos withOUT the grandiose 9/11-style plans, which often leave too many clues to hide. Many had speculated on this shift before, but it looks like it's now happening.

      I'm going to bet this was done by bored kids or idiots rather than real extremists.

      This kind of shit has been done for decades and I highly doubt it's increased in frequency since then.

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  4. Terrorists win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    An emailed bomb threat from overseas evacuates the entire school district of one of the biggest cities in the United States. When did Americans become such cowards?

    1. Re:Terrorists win by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "An email from a law enforcement member who prefers to remain anonymous" -- this sounds like laundering of spy information in a way suitable for public consumption, which needs a reason, however executive 35,000 foot level.

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    2. Re:Terrorists win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Next you know, they'll start writing checks to that Nigerian Prince.

      Obama?

    3. Re:Terrorists win by sjames · · Score: 2

      They aren't scared of a bomb, they are scared of an email that claims there is a bomb. If they saw an actual bomb, their fear would make perfect sense.

  5. I wonder by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Interesting

    During the six years of World War 2 were all the schools in Europe closed down? This is the ultimate in generating as much hysteria as possible. Next is a complete lockdown, anyone seen outside their house will be summarily shot, and as the cliche goes, survivors will be shot again.

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    1. Re:I wonder by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or even Narnia.

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    2. Re:I wonder by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      It's probably because the Narnia stories were overtly Christian allegories, plus they had those annoying kids as the protagonists. LotR was written by a devout Catholic and had some Christian influence and allegory as well (like Gandalf being resurrected), but it was much more subtle and not obviously written to push Christianity on people.

  6. Catching Up With Fiction by sehlat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Wasp is a 1957 science fiction novel by English author Eric Frank Russell. Terry Pratchett (author of the Discworld series of fantasy books) stated that he "can't imagine a funnier terrorists' handbook." Wasp is generally considered Russell's best novel.

    1. Re:Catching Up With Fiction by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Informative

      Book's available for free now...on the phone it goes!

      https://archive.org/details/Ru...

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  7. Someone had test today they didn't want to take by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sending in an email is much easier than pulling the fire alarm.

  8. How do we stop it by Ravaldy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Are we overreacting? Has this been happening more since the ISIS scares in Paris?

    Can we stop or control this better?

    I know many call these "isolated incidents" but these incidents still cause major disruptions to the population. This incident alone is probably affecting hundreds of thousands of people if you include students, parents and businesses.

    1. Re:How do we stop it by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      We are overreacting.

      I don't believe it was wrong to evacuate the threatened school. You do have to take a direct threat seriously. I do believe it was wrong to evacuate *every* school.

      Also, this stuff is going to continue to happen while the news media shines a laser-like focus on these incidents. We're always going to have this sort of thing, but media attention is actually encouraging this activity.

      Although I understand the need for a free press, I wish these media outlets would develop some ethics without some form of compulsion. Regulate guns all you want, but in the end, I blame the media more than the availability of guns for these specific types of incidents.

  9. so, great success. by nimbius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After the San Bernadino shooting that killed 14 people, we have shut down more than 900 public schools in the second largest city in america. terrorism isnt about killing people, or maiming them, or destroying property. terrorism is about undermining the authority of a target nations government. Its about making its populus too frightened to send their children to school, too worried to board a plane without massive security theatre, and too scared to accept immigrants into a nation that was founded and championed by immigrants. Today is a dark day not because of lives lost, but because we have effectively agreed to the premise of terrorism.

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    1. Re:so, great success. by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Its about making its populus too frightened to send their children to school, too worried to board a plane without massive security theatre, and too scared to accept immigrants

      One of these is not like the others. Making the populace too frightened to send their kids to school or to board and airplane really undermines the ability of a society to function at a basic level, because education and transportation are critical to a society's continued operation as well as long-term success. Immigration (particularly from middle eastern nations) is NOT necessary for a society's survival or prosperity. You can argue that it enriches a country to some extent, or that it's a humanitarian thing that's good for humanity at large, but how is it necessary for a particular nation? It's not. And it if were, there's no reason that western nations couldn't cut off immigration of middle easterners altogether and then increase the numbers of immigrants it allows from China, India, southeast Asia, eastern Europe, South America, and sub-Saharan Africa. It's not like we desperately need masses of people from the middle east for our nations to function, the way we need schools and travel.

    2. Re:so, great success. by nimbius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would argue to the contrary as youre assuming a short term definition. While not strictly necesary in the short term, an outright ban on middle eastern nations has a significant long term impact on our ability to understand, react to and interact with these cultures. shunning these immigrants would beget demonizing the region and cultures and, much as demonizing communists/reds/russians in the sixties, would lead to strategic and tactical disadvantages as we supplant knowledge for rhetoric. A prime example lies in the Tupolev bomber, which was consistently outclassing our best range and capability assessments as they were founded on a fundamental predicate of soviet 'inadequacy.' We based much of our political interaction with russians on the rhetoric of politicians and social scientists who, without direct access to a communist russian, simply assumed that due to their atheism they were untrustworthy scoundrels.

      considering society as an organism, diversity in organisms enhances their survival capabilities while enhancing a monoculture causes increased succeptibility to its environment. Becoming less adaptive and diverse would naturally be in a nations least interest.

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  10. Object-free zones by Alypius · · Score: 2

    Silly oversight...they made them gun-free zones, but not bomb-free! Someone needs to put up some signs, then this will all go away.

  11. The Only Legitimate Reponse by 31415926535897 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I believe the only proper response to this threat is to introduce common sense bomb control legislation.

    1. Re:The Only Legitimate Reponse by The-Ixian · · Score: 5, Funny

      You know that the only way to counter a bad guy with a bomb is to have a good guy with a bomb.

      Obama, quit trying to take away my bombs!

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  12. many many to come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As soon as it is realized by students in our anti-education culture that by bouncing a forged email through the right patch of overseas re-mailer geography, they can enforce a district-wide day off, then these will become a daily and national occurrence. I wonder if this is the kill-button for high-school in the US.

    1. Re:many many to come by internerdj · · Score: 2

      While I agree with your analysis of the outcomes, I'm not so sure I agree with pinning it on the "anti-education" culture or at least anything I would see elsewhere discussed as anti-education culture. The anti-education culture of the students stems from being forced to participate in education at the time they are most resistant to authority. It has very little to do with any philosophical stance against the educational material or process.

  13. Kids in cold climates get snow days off. by Snufu · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why shouldn't L.A. kids get jihad days off?

  14. The terrorists are winning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Every time I see a fearful reaction like this I think back to what I heard one newscaster said near the end of live broadcasts of 9/11. I can't remember the exact wording of the quote and I haven't been able to find it posted online anywhere, but the meaning of the message is still clear in my mind. He said that the goal of terrorists is to change the lives of the population. To undermine our freedom and our ways of life using fear. Violence, destruction and killing are not the goal but rather just tools to reach their goal via fear. He said that we should not change how we go about our lives due to fear. If we do the terrorists have won.

    Every time I see a reaction such as this I know that we did not take his message to heart. The patriot act, the TSA, mass surveillance, locking down and closing schools, push for increase gun control, freedom-stripping legislation, threats and discrimination against particular races/religions creeping towards the levels of WWII with Jews (and others) by the Nazis and Japanese/Germans/Italians by the US, and so much more. Knee-jerk reactions to everything, and reduction of freedoms throughout all out of fear. If we don't start to realize what is happening and take back our lives then the terrorists have officially won.

    1. Re:The terrorists are winning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every time I see a fearful reaction like this I think back to what I heard one newscaster said near the end of live broadcasts of 9/11. I can't remember the exact wording of the quote and I haven't been able to find it posted online anywhere, but the meaning of the message is still clear in my mind. He said that the goal of terrorists is to change the lives of the population. To undermine our freedom and our ways of life using fear. Violence, destruction and killing are not the goal but rather just tools to reach their goal via fear. He said that we should not change how we go about our lives due to fear. If we do the terrorists have won.

      Every time I see a reaction such as this I know that we did not take his message to heart. The patriot act, the TSA, mass surveillance, locking down and closing schools, push for increase gun control, freedom-stripping legislation, threats and discrimination against particular races/religions creeping towards the levels of WWII with Jews (and others) by the Nazis and Japanese/Germans/Italians by the US, and so much more. Knee-jerk reactions to everything, and reduction of freedoms throughout all out of fear. If we don't start to realize what is happening and take back our lives then the terrorists have officially won.

      It wasn't just the newscasters who predicted we'd overreact. It was in Bin Laden's playbook. "I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in -- and the West in general -- into an unbearable hell and a choking life." http://edition.cnn.com/2002/US/01/31/gen.binladen.interview/

      The terrorists couldn't take down America. Only we could do that. And we did. Just as he predicted.

  15. Warning is usually specific by aepervius · · Score: 2

    So called "lone wolf" asshole terrorist (klebold/Harris/etc...) usually warn in advance because they want the attention that is true. But usually those warning are specific, not "the whole LA basin" or whatever. Organisation on the other hand like islamist terrorist claim afterward because they want the operation to be sucessful. Thus for the flight downed in Egypt claims came afterward (claiming beforehand would make it more believable but far harder to pull off)- As such I would really really like to see the definition of credible and the threat given.

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  16. Re:"Credible" Bomb Threat Closes by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    The title is grammatically correct.

    Only by the warped grammar of 20th century newspaper headlines. An "and" would have been more appropriate, and if you're jammed up for space, and ampersand replacing the comma would have less confusing. But I sometimes think we now live in a world where confusing headlines are acceptable because everyone finds the reality of the news confusing.

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  17. Really, um, credible by bradley13 · · Score: 2

    Authorities in New York City said they received the same threat but quickly concluded that it was a hoax.

    Really? Every time some punk sends a stupid email, you're going to shut down an entire city?

    First, there is no reason to take this stuff seriously. US deaths by terrorism is still in the ballpark of people dying of lightning strikes. If you insist on taking it seriously, give a 10% annual bonus to any teacher with a concealed carry license plus appropriate training. Problem solved.

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    1. Re:Really, um, credible by mwehle · · Score: 2

      Really? Every time some punk sends a stupid email, you're going to shut down an entire city?

      First, there is no reason to take this stuff seriously. US deaths by terrorism is still in the ballpark of people dying of lightning strikes. If you insist on taking it seriously, give a 10% annual bonus to any teacher with a concealed carry license plus appropriate training. Problem solved.

      How does a CCW assist in finding and defusing a bomb?

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  18. Next Up... by tekrat · · Score: 2

    Shutting down schools because officials receive Nigerian Prince scam. *And* they give the scammer their bank account details, because after all, 20 Million is on it's way!

    Can't you wait until they get the calls telling them their windows machine has a virus, and ONLY the tech support dude with the indian accent can fix it?

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  19. Re:mass violence by wyHunter · · Score: 2

    It just points out that liberalism is a mental disorder. I use the term 'liberalism' in the statist, neo-fascist way it is used now, not in the true meaning of the word. Unfortunately today's liberals...aren't.

  20. Re:Quick! Check the nursing homes for suspects! by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

    The likely suspects are students. Students have been calling in bomb threats on their schools for many, many years. I remember a bomb threat one day at my elementary school in the late 1980s. 99.9% are false threats of course.

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  21. Problem solved by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

    See.... the issue here is they don't have their spam filter turned up high enough.

    No e-mail, no problem

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  22. Re:Headlines by KlomDark · · Score: 3, Funny

    How?