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NASA Has Suspended Its Next Mission To Mars (sciencemag.org)

sciencehabit writes: NASA has suspended its next mission to Mars after problems with a French-built seismological instrument could not be fixed in time for the scheduled launch. The mission, a lander called InSight that was to listen for tremors on Mars as a way of understanding the planet's interior, will not launch in March 2016, the agency said today. NASA has not announced a new launch date, but because of the relative orbits of Mars and Earth, the agency will have to wait at least 26 months before it can try to launch again. The troublesome instrument is called the Seismic Experiment for Interior Structure; the Max Planck Institute, one of the instrument's developers, has a nice page outlining SEIS's construction and function.

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  1. Timing by Kohath · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Right after NASA's funding increase got signed.

    1. Re: Timing by WarJolt · · Score: 2

      I agree. How hard could it possibly be to build a glorified seismograph?

      I know everything must be space rated and communications are involved, but these should be problems with well defined solutions. I feel as though they try to get clever when it comes to space stuff and it never works out quite the way they expect.

      The sad thing is the company gets paid whether they launch or not.

  2. What the eggheads don't consider... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Relative orbits means having Earth and Mars come together at their closet points every two years to launch a mission. Standard operating procedure for Mars missions. What about the relative orbits of Earth, Venus and Mars for an inward slingshot?

    1. Re:What the eggheads don't consider... by thrich81 · · Score: 2

      One reason, and I'm sure there are others, is that the thermal load from the sun at Venus is greater than at Earth or Mars (nearly 2x the solar flux at Venus as at Earth) and the spacecraft would need at least a partial redesign and some added thermal control items (sunshades or increased heating tolerances) to accommodate it. If the spacecraft was planned for launch in March 2016, the final design is already done. Venus flybys have been used before but not for schedule convenience, only when the spacecraft just wouldn't make it to the destination without a Venus assist, or for Mercury missions where the solar flux at Venus is not the limiting factor.

  3. Sorry, couldn't resist by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    So, scientists are shaken up over the delayed seismometer mission?

    1. Re:Sorry, couldn't resist by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's the problem, we don't how how shaken up they are!

  4. Some technical info... by Arkh89 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It seems that the CNES took out an article today saying that the instrument was repaired. See the cached content here.

    It is saying that the core of the instrument is a titanium sphere keeping inner sensors in a 0.25 mbar vacuum (at most). This is about 40000x less than atmospheric pressure on earth. What they saw is that the pressure inside the sphere went up from 0 to 30 mbar in a month. They found a production defect on one of the sensors connectors going through the shell but it seems that they were able to seal it correctly with some resin. They also found a second leakage problem around the pump creating the vacuum, which could be fixed as well.

    They are currently running tests to determine if everything is ok. According to the article, the launch could be re-scheduled to March 18th.

    1. Re:Some technical info... by theendlessnow · · Score: 2

      Seems once the chief engineer entered his proper facebook credentials, the application started working. Although he's getting a lot SMS messages sent to his phone now.

  5. Time and other practical concerns by DrYak · · Score: 2

    I sometimes wonder about that. Most people think of space as being OUTWARD from Earth.

    I don't think it's a quesiton of OUTWARD/INWARD, but more about being practical and efficient.

    Since Mars is in an OUTWARD orbit, our spacecraft most fly OUTWARD when Earth and Mars are at their closet points.

    That also happens to be the shortest and thus fastest route between earth and venus.

    I get a lot of negative comments whenever I mention a Venus flyby, which has an INWARD orbit from both Earth and Mars, but can still be used as a slingshot between the two planets.

    Except that this is a much more complicated trajectory, and is a lot longer distance and will probably take a lot more time.
    I'm too lazy to compute the time necessary and it's also absolutely outside of my field of work (I am a doctor, creimer! Not an asto-physicist ! :-D ) so I won't probably even be competent to compute if I wanted.

    At some point of time you have to ask, is better worth :
    - ...wait 2 years for next close window ?
    - ...wait a couple of months for the perfect earth-venus-mars alignement , then launch a probe on that trajectory, which is probably going take a year (numbers sponsored by the "out of my ass" department) ? so in the end the probe will perhaps only arrive a couple of month earlier than waiting for the next short route ?

    there's a small difference between launching a probe deep-space on a 10 years mission, were you can afford fumbling around a couple of months to take advantage of a better inward flyby. On the 10+ years of the mission, it's just small detour.

    Is it better:
    - take a short route which has already been taken several times in the past, and that we know works well ?
    - take a newer much longer route, more complex, where the slighest deviation is going to have a much bigger impact at the end ?

    Getting to Mars is not trivial. Before the current strike of successful landings, there has been a long string of failed attempts. Replacing this with a much more complex and longer route is bound to have more hiccups.

    Is it better:
    - to spend only a few months between earth and mars ?
    - to spend ~N year(s) (according to OOMA dept.) while at the same time coming as close as venus ?

    This is a delivery mission. The point is to drop some delicate equipment on the Martian surface and start doing measures there ASAP.
    It's not a mission about recording as much stuff in space as possible. (although it will probably be done but as a secondary goal).
    The less time the equipment spends outside of the protection of planetary magnetic fields, the less time that it spends in direct exposition to solar radiation, the better.
    Replacing a short earth-mars trip with a much longer earth-venus-mars trip dramatically increases the risk that your payload happens to get fried by excessive solar radiation.

    And last and not list ?
    - Is it better to rush things to be ready for the next earth-venus-mars alignement ?
    - Take 2 years to make the seimic equipement ready, polished and reliable ?

    For fuck's sake: it's *France* we're speaking about, not *Sweeden*. Do no mix them. Both countries happen to work less than 36 hours a week. BUT only the second one actually gets things done. The first one has a massive tendency to consider "on strike"/"public demonstrations" as a soft of national sport.

    The time waiting until the next direct earth-mars window give more headroom to the project to be finished on time.

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  6. Re:The French??? by tehcyder · · Score: 2

    When reached for comments NASA said "We wanted to fix the problem, but every time we called France they were on a mandatory work break and they had gone over there 5 hour a week work week schedule already!"

    If you have a 35 hour working week, it just means that if you need 70 hours work on a project you have to employ two people. Big deal.

    Not everyone shares the US obsession with working as much unpaid overtime as possible to show how non-socialist you are.

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