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Star Wars Fans and Video Game Geeks 'More Likely To Be Narcissists,' Study Finds (independent.co.uk)
schwit1 writes: Those who take part in "geeky events" are more likely to have an "elevated grandiose" level of narcissism, according to a study conducted by the University of Georgia. Psychologists examined the personality traits of those who turn to "geek culture," developing a Geek Culture Engagement Scale and a Geek Identity Scale to help quantify the figures. It was found that those who scored highly on both scales were more likely to narcissists. Subjects are scored on a scale of one to five, depending on how often they take part in activities such as live action role playing games, Dungeons and Dragons, cosplaying, puppetry, robotics — and enjoying things such as video games and Star Wars.
Although I'm a Star Wars fan, they obviously don't mean *me*.
They're just mad that Georgia Tech students are smarter than them and this is their way of undermining them. I'm surprised that a UGA researcher can even spell "geek."
Why the fuck would a study be needed to determine this?! It's obvious that Millennials, who are the main participants in what's called "geek culture", are narcissists. Extreme narcissism and self-importance are defining traits of the Millennial generation!
Were C-3PO and Hans Solo talking to the audience when they said that in the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi?
absolute morons?
You mean geeks think they're better than everyone? I can't believe it. This figuratively blows my mind.
to anyone whose ever read slashdot for any length of time.
I have always wondered why people in the social "sciences" do not receive the same criticisms about their research being useless wastes of money as those who works in the physical sciences.
If narcissism describes having too much self-esteem, I'd happily bet that geeks are also more likely to suffer from low self-esteem.
Lots of successful people show their "dominance" by fucking with geeks during their school years, so it's little surprise that geek self-esteem ends up all over the spectrum.
Treat people as different, they end up being different.
"Subjects are scored on a scale of one to five, depending on how often they take part in activities such as live action role playing games, Dungeons and Dragons, cosplaying, puppetry, robotics — and enjoying things such as video games and Star Wars."
All of which sounds totally nuts to me. In my day "geeks" were loaners. They did not have a big social circle. Not because they were basically unsociable. Mostly because they were interested in technical things, electronics, programming, maths, that most people around them had no idea or interest in.
When did "geek" become a word to describe game playing fantasy obsessed weirdos.
And there I was thinking that people play games without giving any thought to winning. I thought they were completely detouched and that games did not elevate the mood through boosting self-worth in any way whatsoever. </sarcasm>
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0142200
It is not Star Wars Fans or Video Game Geeks they measure, but cosplayers and such. They rarely meet the basement dweller subspecies, though those might as well be Star Wars Fans or Video Game Geeks. They just simply don't come out of hiding.
How is this information useful?
Assuming that the study results are accurate and significant, how does one actually *use* the information? How does it inform further research, how do physicians and/or psychiatrists use the information for diagnosis or treatment, what sort of "ruler" does this study build and what does it measure?
In what way can this information be used to improve the human condition?
There are thousands of soft-science generalizations like this, none of which is useful in any meaningful way.
Social scientists are playing an elaborate game of "make believe".
Extreme narcissism and self-importance are defining traits of the Baby Boomer generation!
FTFY - Signed, Gen Xer
> Those who take part in "geeky events" are more likely to have an "elevated grandiose"
> level of narcissism, according to a study conducted by the University of Georgia.
And now that we know this, we are perfect.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
Yours,
Sheldon Cooper
Extreme narcissism and self-importance are defining traits of the Baby Boomer generation!
FTFY - Signed, Gen Xer
Extreme narcissism and self-importance are defining traits of the Filthy Human Race!
FTFY - SIgned, Zorgon (Supreme Ruler of The Galaxy)
This article is horrible.
Narcisissm was but one of the many things the study correlated with geekdom. Yet the article by "The Independent" talked about only that one aspect. The study actually doesn't include Star Wars as an example of geekdom since Star Wars is mainstream. The study does consider someone a geek if they mix "Star Wars" with zombies. Yet The Independent started their headline with that "Star Wars" - probably because it is so popular in the news right now and people will have knee jerk emotional reactions to it.
I am sad that Slashdot chose to link to this article, rather than to the study itself which is completely free, reasonably short, and paints a different and more interesting picture. It talks about geek involvement with family, the political process, civic organizations, and long-term life goals. It even explains how the term "narcissism" is used differently in the clinical context and might be misinterpreted when used without the relevant context. Yet that is exactly what The Independent did.
The most likely screwup is mischaracterizing a strong sense of self as grandiose when half the "normal" population is suffering from body image issues and inferiority complexes.
Newsflash: Folks willing to be interviewed on being 'geeky' tend to be gregarious and be quite optimistic about their own potential. Shy/anti-social 'geeks' not measured.
Everyone's got a mixed bag of ignorance and hangups - and folks who self-label as 'geeky' in public are folks who project a willingness to focus and specialize on a small range of subjects that they admire. Many others are going to be shy or antisocial, or unwilling to put up with a 'geeky' label.
BREAKING NEWS: DJs and Rap Artists also found to be frequently narcisistic! 'Fronting' found to be a very helpful form of marketing, and method of promoting causes in a comedic and exaggerated manner.
FURTHER BREAKING NEWS: 'Profesional'-style wrestlers and independent entertainment wrestling groups also found to be overwhelmingly narcissistic, in a fascinating dual dynamic! When in 'face' mode, these entertainers will be narcissistic in a friendly way, and in 'heel' mode, they will be narcissistic in an overly flamboyant and violent way. These modes can change at seemingly random patterns, but usually near the start/beginning of a season.
OMG BREAKING NEWS GUYS: Actors and many others found to be narcissistic! In a similar dynamic to 'entertainment' wrestling, this same form of narcissism seems to be almost everywhere, in most professions with a public facing component. The dynamic of trying to gather a crowd with comedy and drama seems to be steeped with various kinds of narcissism, and reactions to self-overestimation.
It's almost as if people overestimate their own potential in order to motivate themselves to try difficult things, even if it means failure, because they might learn something or motivate others in the process!
We must stop this plague of overestimation before it grows too large! The only logical conclusion to this process will be everyone jumping off buildings because they believe they can fly. Yes. Geeks must not believe in themselves, or our world is doomed!
In other news, journalists frequently post articles they know has misleading information, or false or incomplete versions on of the science they're reporting on, because it builds drama and readership. Oh no - the narcissism is spreading!
And a man who scrapes a living from lectures and books about narcissism.
Since attacking geeks is a subtle way to attack men (given the percentages involved), you could be forgiven for questioning the motives of the researchers.
So W. Keith Campbell and Brittany Gentile are both running a cottage industry of the "narcissism epidemic" Campell even wrote a book with that term in its title. In fact, most of his work deals with finding narcissism everywhere in society (according to him, its also known as individualism, or having self-esteem) So its not surprising that any study that they produce looking for narcissism is going find it. Of course this study isn't even a study, its a meta-study of seven other studies.
When the fuck is Slashdot - who supposedly has a largish membership of skeptical readers - going stop linking to articles from stupid journalists who uncritically accept as factual every psychological or sociological study that's churned out by college study mills?
FTFY - SIgned, Zorgon (Supreme Ruler of The Galaxy)
Uh, huh.
Zorgons appear to be cold-blooded, as they can be deterred by cold temperatures and were at one point distracted with a burning couch.
http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Zorgon_(Zathura)
If the Supreme Ruler of the Galaxy can be distracted by a burning couch, there may be hope for humanity. We got plenty of couches to burn up.
If it's bad to be self-confident then I guess it's better to be a politically correct politician sociopath then! Self-belief's crucial to success. The powers that be don't want competition apparently so they made up another 'label' in 'narcissism'. Give us a fucking break!
This is just an example of Social Scientists demonstrating they are
1) Not Socialist
2) Not Scientists
Hey guys, maybe you will find this coverage about the same article more palatable, if you don't want to read the original article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cynthia-dagnalmyron/the-geeks-shall-inherit-the-earth_b_8691760.html
Also, it bears mentioning that the article looks at people who are fans of comic books and things like that, and not necessarily tech professionals.
Funniest part's that normal women like men who are self confident and take charge. They don't respect whimps. If you're a whimp, they're like cats with a mouse and will destroy you. Sure - They might say otherwise but when you're in bed with them and ask them they will admit it. How do I know this? Experience. Many times.
Prime personal example being one of my ex-girlfriends on/off for more than a decade++ who acted like she found my being that way (sometimes inflexible yes, but once I made up my mind about something, that WAS it - my way, or the highway) bad!
Yet when I asked her after we broke up about it? She literally ADMITTED she loved that about me and that I kept our "ship afloat" in this life.
Since then, I've seen her go bankrupt (literally) and my own attorney advised me (a woman no less, not "after me" either, she's married) to get away from her fast saying she was "dumb as a box of rocks" & would drag me down. From what I've seen, she would have.
Yes folks: You can trust women MANY TIMES when they warn you of another woman's shortcomings and what the outcomes will eventually and probably inevitably be. My attorney was, as usual, right as rain.
APK
P.S.=> I've also found another "weird thing" about women: The WORSE you treat them, the MORE THEY WANT YOU (this irks me & I'm not "good @ it" - it's NOT really me is why... I like treating my women well if possible) - this was told to me by my mother's deceased ex-husband (after my Dad & her split up) - I was like "you're nuts, nobody likes to be mistreated, especially in mind games etc." & he said "I know, doesn't make sense BUT IT WORKS & you're TOO NICE & being a whimp - you'll get stepped on"... he was right (experience trumped my inexperience) - Illogic logic, I know... but women can be FULL of that (hormonally driven more than men? I don't know) since what he said did work better but made NO sense... apk
A recent paper shows the majority of psychological studies aren't replicable. So you know, jog on.
fuck you and your pseudo studies
What does it say about us who enjoy Solitaire and Pong?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
...is Sheldon Cooper! 8-D
Sorry what?
"live action role playing games, Dungeons and Dragons, cosplaying, puppetry, robotics"
Robotics requires some level of scientific understanding and education beyond LARPing, dressing up in various themed outfits, putting socks on yer hands and pretending to speak on the sock's behalf, or playing D&D. That's not by any means apples and apples, those who are really into robotics are likely really into engineering, math, physics, etc - and as a result, probably feel somewhat superior to the masses because they've some sort of understanding of the workings of the universe - which the majority of our pleb cultures most definitely lack.
Also, when I clicked the "research" link in the article, it sent me to cars.com with some sort of cars comparison advertisement, what the fuck. Now I see - they randomly highlight words throughout the article with links to ads. Awesome source.
Maybe we're just more self-aware of how awesome we are.
force: It sucks, it is a MAJOR EMBARRASSMENT, and I don't care who the effing director is, he sucks!
When the first three came out, with the excellent set designs and special effects, they could get away with mediocre actors, but this "geriatrics R us" freak show, with the younger submediocre actors, is a total monstrosity --- Harrison Ford cannot do wiseass while his hand is shaking holding a raygun yet miraculously having perfect aim! GET IT?????
Maybe, but they sure think they're ENTITLED to being narcissist!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It should be noted that fly-fishermen are the same way.
Ditto pilots. And sailors. And computer programmers. And...
Different "small range of subjects" for each, of course....
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Because it's the people in the social sciences who are criticizing money in the physical sciences.
It's heartwarming that geeks are finally considered human beings.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
A study from Georgia Institute of Technology find that students from University of Georgia are just jealous of their rad robo-bro who is so cool he's not even stoked about being on the cover of Popular Mechanics.
come on, do those University of Georgia people even lift? ;P
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
return(CleanBillOfHealth);
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. . . and silly me thought that politicians would reign as the Olympic Gold Medal champions in the Narcissism competition.
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Between 19 & 30 I'd had literally 1,000's of women in bed: Didn't have to try hard either, Thank God... so see subject & quit projecting your weaknesses onto me!
* Do I regret it? Some of it... that's life. Mostly not though. I am glad for the experience & advice I got that actually worked even though it was illogic logic in my prior post you're now ac trolling me on.
APK
P.S.=> I just thank God again I never ended up with Herpes or AIDS after (lucky? fate?? miracle?? I don't know - but I am thankful for it) - more than a few folks I knew did & it's sad (they'll be writing things about this time period later probably calling it "the era of irony" where the thing that creates life, sex, also could destroy it) - a new friend of mine who is helping me modernize & repair some properties of mine who is only 35 (I am 50) told me the other day he's afraid of what's going on out there nowadays (he's a good looking intelligent guy too) - he said that 1 of every 3 people is estimated to carry SOME 'std'/form of VD... that IS spooky! I am GLAD my days of my pecker doing my thinking (a LOT of it) are long over... not "all good" came of it @ all times is why (suppose that "young, dumb, & full of XXX" is true)... apk
See subject, thanks - I'd freely give guys any advice I can in this area, especially younger guys as they're the ones "catting around" nowadays, "perpetuating the species" & replicating the DNA strand for the human race to go on!
(LMAO - but not me anymore - thank God, & I'm SERIOUS I SAY THIS? I am GLAD I am "past that" for the MOST part!)
Hey, admittedly? I've gotten older & don't look as good as I used to (rare people "age like wine")...
Yup: I'm just "not what I used to be" (but so much better in so many ways too) physically due to age & yes, SOME being "disgruntled" over relationships (pain outweighs the pleasures in the end, isn't it funny how BAD memories always stand out, many times more than GOOD ones do in this life - probably some mental defense mechanism I'd imagine).
Sure - yes, they're great & the RIGHT girl DOES MAKE YOU A BETTER MAN (mainly imo because she puts fuel on the fire of your "raison d'etre"... gives a reason & purpose to TRY HARD in this life to be successful!) but, I'm past it (again, thankfully).
* Now, I'm no "expert" here (who the hell is, right?) but I can only tell what I've seen is all from my experience (which I imagine's NOT A LOT DIFFERENT than any other "swinging dick" out there, lol - after all, we're all pretty much the same in this area I figure!).
APK
P.S.=> Sometimes man, it IS good to "lie" (or rather NOT TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH) - give you an example: IF a woman asks you if you think she is FAT? LIE... (if she is that is) - you might wake up with a claw hammer in your eye if you don't (lol, no joke - they're VERY SENSITIVE about their looks - guess since many use that as a 'weapon' or 'tool of the trade', they esteem it EXTREMELY highly)... apk
I was thinking the same thing. Star Wars is breaking every box office record. All stores are filled with Star Wars toys and other merchandise. How discriminative is that?
I rather hope that no public money was wasted on such a pointless "study". The study itself appears flawed as described in the linked article. Condition A combined with vaguely related condition B does not automatically determine unrelated condition C without proving some kind of link between A, B and C (which is NOT explained in the article). This looks very much like the researchers had a definite outcome desired and is based solely on two different scales, one of which is explained in the article (do you like D&D and robotics) while the other is not.
This would be like creating two unrelated scales, one that measures awareness of world events and a second that shows a disapproval rating of the US's foreign policy and concluding that those scoring highly on both scales tend to be terrorists. It does not really mean anything.
It was found that those who scored highly on both scales were more likely to narcissists.
Ahem, shouldn't that be "more likely to narciss"?
</sarcastic_prick>
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
See subject: Maybe you're not but admittedly, she did say "all you do is work & you're nothing like you used to be" - I had to learn THAT ONE the hard way - I figured as long as I was a good provider (shelter, food, money etc. - et al) it was ok but to do so, ALL I DID WAS WORK (had to, we lived in a big metro and the costs of housing was outrageous as it is in "the big city" & we lived in a VERY wealthy area, so it was even worse but you DO get what you PAY for)... women, many times, don't accept THAT LINE OF REASONING.
It's a balance. You can't slack off in those areas, or you're out in the street homeless, you know? Then again, the old adage "all work & no play" isn't good either - women are more "high maintenance" than men are by far. Emotional comforting (besides the physical in sex) IS important to them... it is to myself as a man too, but not that much over keeping a roof over your head, food to eat, etc. (that's paramount & a foundation of it all for the more well, 'emotional' things).
E.G.-> Try & SEE how long a relationship lasts when money problems start... it's true in my experience that MONEY CAN RUIN THINGS (especially a lack of it). It creates pressures that are insurmountable imo.
See, like any person? I had to LEARN all that... wasn't fun. Not always good either. That's life. For sure. I'm still in process learning but that particular "coursework" is something I avoid nowadays (for all its greatness & inspiration it can yield, it also can shatter you - I don't wish it on anyone, but then again? I do... it's necessary to learn/experience it... makes you a better man/person!)
I'll be an "expert" on it on my deathbed, lol, while I graduate from the "university of life" until then? I'm just a fellow student, like you...
APK
P.S.=> Anyhow/anyways: You're actually PARTIALLY right in that particular experience but it wasn't about hosts files (I was working 'day jobs' as a programmer-analyst but also "pushing it" on the other end in wares I wrote that actually did well & sold well for me @ home on the side after work)... apk
Every few months, we get another one of these sort of questionable "studies" like "Your cat really doesn't love you" or "Your dog is really dumber than a pile of doornails". Somebody gets a wild hair up their ass to prove their pet theory that supports their own petty biased world view, looking to knock down someone or something a peg.
Psychological studies are the worst... they analyze a group of people and determine that they are somehow "defective" (in this case, narcissistic, by whatever measure they used). It's punditry, plain and simple, in the guise of pseudoscience backed by being "published".
Ultimately, these sort of "studies" are almost always tweaked in some fashion (demographics, location, etc...) to inevitably come to the desired conclusion.
i can see a kernel of truth in this. Many geeks, nerds and other various "outside the norm" kids will get rejected as youngsters. They get attacked because they are different. Nothing new here. Now if you get rejected by the main stream, you will take refuge in your own world/subculture where you are accepted. You can be as much of a big shot in the puppetry world as you are not in the general population. What looks to an insider like confidence acquired from knowledge and experience might look like "damn that dude is full of him self and for what? cause he knows all the squadrons involved in the attack on the first death star? Get over your self nerd!" to an outsider. When you have been rejected most of your life and you finally have people that recognize your worth, it is normal to look at your self a little more and like your self a little more. Then again, there are self centered assholes in all walks of life, geeks included.
One should never trust a newspaper's coverage of science. Some journalists don't care about the quality of studies and will often erroneously or intentionally oversimplify (or misrepresent) the implications of a study to suit a narrative they're invested in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
There's an additional problem that comes as a consequence of this: wikipedia editors routinely categorise publications that align with their politics and ideology as reliable sources while discounting those who do not as unreliable. The result, particularly in "hot" topics is that you get a non-expert, politicised view of the science rather than a link to the study.
As a d/d ele, I know for a fact that I'm better than the masses of scrubs who click skills. If there is one class/build I do not fear on any class, it's d/d ele. Learn to play your class instead of regurgitating shit builds from meta battle, you moronic bookahs.
P.s. Swan was weak and a pathetic fight at level 6 with an unmodified 10mm. Try strafing, noobs. And there's this thing called cover...
So which of these is Trump?
You mean geeks think they're better than everyone? I can't believe it. This figuratively blows my mind.
Such thoughts are a side effect of elevated midichlorian levels. Extremely high levels lead to one thinking they are near god-like individuals who should run the universe.
that are too bored and always staring at others waiting for them to do something, instead of themselves thinking of something to do. following their own interests. for crying out loud, when i was growing up, i had to visit libraries to get to encylopedias. now, everyone's got at least that, if not more with inter-wiki-net. (but of course anyone serious about their subject is going to research any area on or off-line, that's worth their salt, to be all old-worldy by now about it...)
and, those poor bored, sullen souls, for them, boredom leads to its own subtle "evil"... a exophobic "nosiness" that rubs everyone the wrong way. the people you expect to become "good germans" (sorry, germany). anyone who has one of "those families" knows what i mean...
it's not to "be elitist;" you can only just put up with so much before it's time to return to the real world of thinking people. sometimes i think young people are just shy of "taking reins" a bit. they've got a vote... they should use it.
One on ONE you can... but if you know nothing about someone then you can't trust them to just fill this out accurately. People interpret questions differently than the author all the time. Then you have people that lie because they find a question aspirational or shameful. And then you have people not taking things seriously... And there are issues beyond that.
But the point is that you MUST conduct psychological evaluations one on one. You can't just hand some forms out and understand what is going on in everyone's minds... that fucking stupid. You're going to get back crap.
What is more, they're defining "Narcissism" as "wanting to be at the center of attention"... That's like defining "pathological greed" as "liking money".
Another bullshit study from our psychology departments.
*slow clap*
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
What is 'narcissistic' anyways?
Exactly. From the abstract:
"Geek engagement is found to be associated with elevated grandiose narcissism, extraversion, openness to experience, depression, and subjective well-being across multiple samples."
They really went out of their way to find the most inflammatory 'interpretation' of the study they could come up with.
Did anyone catch the last bit there in the synopsis? Puppetry? WTF?
I am a beautiful, amazing person who is totally into D&D, video games and robotics. However, I have never heard of this puppetry thing before. I find your ideas interesting and I wish to subscribe. Also, while I am a sexy hunk of Dungeon Master man-beast, this article look like it holds about as much water as a sieve.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
All the wonders of the Universe, and this is what we are studying.
Actually, social scientists are constantly told their research is useless - maybe you haven't noticed because it's not your ox being gored.
In other news, people who claim to like a pile of crap like Star Wars, and go to stupid conventions that are nothing more than advertisements, are obsessed with people seeing them as "geeks", the label the corps tell them is cool these days.
How can one not be a narcissist when surrounded by idiots?
Just saying... not that I'm one. Unlike other people, I'm superior in my abilities to suppress narcissism.
The only logical conclusion to this process will be everyone jumping off buildings because they believe they can fly.
The fact that R Kelly is still alive suggests that he was lying about that, then.
I am hoping they would do something really unexpected plot twist to make Rey an aunt of Luke Skywalker. Anakin's father has been left dangling. Shmi's ambiguous explanation has been assumed to suggest virgin-birth of Anakin. But there is an opening there. Anakin's father could be from a tribe that could go into voluntary suspended animation for long periods of time. They might come in once in a long while to "bring balance to the force". It has been assumed bringing balance to the force means helping the light side over the dark side. What if the dark side was losing and Anankin was meant to provide the dark side some help? All through this saga the Dark side has had an upper hand all the time. What if that was by design? And then Force swung too far towards the dark, and so finally the time has come to help the light side, so Anakin's father returns to create Rey to provide the Light side of the Force some help. Darth Vader means the Dark Father in German. I am hoping for a Weiß Vater or Licht Vater be revealed as the father of Rey.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
"Geek engagement is found to be associated with elevated grandiose narcissism, extraversion, ...."
Most geeks I know are somewhat introverted.
Don't try to out wierd me, three-eyes. I get stranger things than you, free with my breakfast cereal. --Zaphod Beeblebr
You're just a bitter misogynerd shitlord goobergaggler who hates women and is threatened by the loss of his cis white male privilege. Go die dinosaur. You're a narcissist on the wrong side of history.
So, gamers?
The comments have been skeptical and informative (eg: "star wars" was not mentioned in the paper). I haven't read TFA, it's from the Telegraph so it's very doubtful it's an accurate report.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
but I can't tear myself away from the mirror..
Never bitten the head off of any animal.
BREAKING NEWS: DJs and Rap Artists also found to be frequently narcisistic! ...
FURTHER BREAKING NEWS: 'Profesional'-style wrestlers and independent entertainment wrestling groups also found to be overwhelmingly narcissistic, in a fascinating dual dynamic! ...
OMG BREAKING NEWS GUYS: Actors and many others found to be narcissistic! ...
Please, take it easy on me! Narcissism is one thing, but to be a rapper, wrestler, *and* actor all at same time? I'm. Only. One. Man!
Although I bet The Rock could pull that off -- good for him.
Sounds more like jealousy to me from the douche that was actually TOO dorky as a child to play D&D.
..that's why we need Wil's words from time to time: https://dontbeadickday.com/wil...
Just wtf IS "narcissicm" anyhow?!?
From http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/basics/definition/CON-20025568:
"Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.
A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. You may be generally unhappy and disappointed when you're not given the special favors or admiration you believe you deserve. Others may not enjoy being around you, and you may find your relationships unfulfilling.
Narcissistic personality disorder treatment is centered around talk therapy (psychotherapy)."
Sounds more like "jocks", politicians, stereotypical "authority figures", and corporate upper-management types than like your average geek to me.
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Get Off My LAWN!!
A rough synonym of "narcissistic" is "competitive". That's not necessarily a bad thing. While most people tend to be "socially competitive" or "financially competitive", geeks tend to compete with games and "lab" or tech projects.
Males tend to be competitive whether the subject matter is social, financial, or technical. (Different people will select different areas to compete in). It's in our biological wiring. Women are competitive also, but tend to avoid direct confrontation, or at least the appearance of direct confrontation. If you are playing a video game with your buddy and blow up his ship, you just may say, "In your face!". Women tend to avoid "rubbing it in" directly.
Table-ized A.I.
Put it this way: When role-playing, nobody pretends to be a loser with a crappy 9-5 job who goes nowhere and sucks at everything.
Given that role-playing is ultimately an indulgent fantasy about 'being awesome' it's hard to deny it's obvious narcissism.
Well, almost no "journalist" these days has the discipline, education and smarts to actually understand a study like this. Not that the study sets a high bar, but journalism used to be something smart people with ideals went for. Not anymore.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
yea, i can code, so i would be lying if i said i didn't some times think i'm better than the gamers.. but my boss has his masters from M.I.T, so he is a step above me. i guess if you know where you are in the food chain you its cool. However, you can still level up in the real world ðY
Also note, from the paper "Separate from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD), narcissism is a normal personality trait characterized by a grandiose sense of self as well as efforts to maintain that sense of self in the face of reality "
----- "narcissism is a normal personality trait ", -study
That is the problem with psyche studies, loose inter-definable terms like narcissism. They didn't find people with a NPD (even if they did, that diagnosis tool is highly suspect). You could rename the study "people with higher self esteem go to geek events" if you just use a few different words with different connotation but same measurably.
Another problem with psyche studies is they relay on self reported feelings, which are highly suspect (people don't say truth, they say what they think they should say or what they think of themselves)
It's like when shyness is renamed "anxiety" so they can sale you pills.
I could go on, one of their data points is "Real Life." Apparently DnD with friends is not real life. But is watching sports on TV real life?
From Study "(the great fantasy migration hypothesis), to fulfill belongingness needs (the belongingness hypothesis), and to satisfy needs for creative expression (the need for engagement hypothesis)."
So the study found people do normal things to fill normal needs and the people that do them correlate with a sightly higher scale of something also normal (narcissism) within normal ranges that has a negative Connotation outside of psych research.
Do you get my point yet about the problems with psych research?
Also, the original article used the standard Oxford comma, but the interpretive-dance pablum article omitted the standard Oxford comma in actually misquoting the original source. That's not just poor taste, it's poor form. (Also anybody who omits the Oxford comma outside of a book of poetry has poor style, and whoever was drunk that day at the style-editor's guide and picked "no Oxford comma" is a malfeasant who should have to separate clauses in foreign languages without the comma, and without taking a pause that the comma also denotes in expression. ) The not-quite-original article's omission of the standard Oxford comma is stupid, and looks bad.
..are most likely to be assholes.
news at 11:00
See subject: By iirc, 10x over. As to myself? Hey, what can I say? Poor dude got AIDS & I didn't though (thank god) and despite your inability in this area? I had NO problems that way & only told the truth...
* See, the way you troll me by totally unidentifiable ac posts only shows you're a worm with no integrity or good character - you're a cowardly little scumbag (which leads to this questions from myself to "your kind": HOW CAN YOU EVEN THINK TO LOOK A WOMAN IN THE EYE let alone try to pick her up?)
APK
P.S.=> Face facts: YOU WISH YOU WERE ME (but you're just nothing)... apk
I'm sure you would find endless happiness if everyone you disagreed with died.
Star Wars is doing about as well as Furious 7, except Furious 7 was a much more impressive film. You can't top real stunts and practical effects with CGI mumbo jumbo.
Well said. GP just admitted that he/she/it is a narcissist with that "go die" comment and doesn't even know it.
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
So you would defend someone's right to threaten you or your family members with physical violence?
And before you say it's not a right, bullshit. I spoke to COPS who told me that it's perfectly legal for someone to threaten physical violence, so long as they don't act upon the threat in any way, such as striking you or pulling a weapon out.
I'm not broke. I have a NICE home of my own (paid off in full) - are you, OR are you just living the payment trap illusion (which anyone can do w/ credit) paying 2-3x the worth of those things over 30++ years?
I also have a nice sportscar (paid off in full too, it's MINE, not the bank's) + current with all my bills...
* Wtf more do I want? Nothing really... happiest I've been in my entire life the past 10++ yrs. now in fact (& I don't work as a wageslave anymore fulltime - I contract out to Fortune 100's-500's consulting @ times though... maybe 5-6x a year if the project's interesting).
APK
P.S.=> Keep projecting - I think it's funny you're doing that (you're not very intelligent you know, giving away your OWN issues the way you are)... apk
See subject: You made me laugh w/ that one - "APK 'Body Bag'" courtesy of hosts technology (lol).
APK
P.S.=> Seriously though - I am so grateful to God that I didn't end up w/ those maladies (AID/HIV, Herpes, etc.) since I've seen the misery (I was under the false impression herpes was just a rash, painful, like a bad outbreak of poison ivy can get to be - but it's not: It knocks folks out for a week++ @ a time like a FLU) &/or deaths they cause... I got lucky & smartened up eventually (keep my pecker in my pants not only by choice, but as I said, due to my NOT being what I used to be (young & better looking then)) - I'd advise the same to young guys now - be smart, be choosey, but BE THE BEST YOU CAN BE FIRST since "to get the QUEEN, you've got to be the KING", first... apk
See subject - & does more by far vs. browser addons for less resource consumption + illogically "Bolting on 'MoAr'":
E.G. #1 - Oliver Day (SYMANTEC/SECURITYFOCUS):
http://www.securityfocus.com/c...
"The host file on my day-to-day laptop is now over 16,000 lines long. Accessing the Internet -- particularly browsing the Web -- is actually faster now."
Speed & security is a gain!
"From what I have seen in my research, major efforts to share lists of unwanted hosts began gaining serious momentum earlier this decade. The most popular appear to have started as a means to block advertising and as a way to avoid being tracked by sites that use cookies to gather data on the user across Web properties. More recently, projects like Spybot Search and Destroy offer lists of known malicious servers to add a layer of defense against trojans and other forms of malware." (another reputable source right there too: Spybot)
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E.G.#2 - OReilly:
For security -> http://oreilly.com/pub/a/windo... & For speed -> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/...
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E.G.#3 - Steve Gibson:
Steve Gibson endorses hosts as good https://www.grc.com/sn/sn-045....
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E.G.#4 - Aryeh Goretsky of ESET/NOD32:
It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
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E.G.#5 - Brocke Wilders of WILDERS' SECURITY does too:
By creating an inferior clone of MY PROGRAM though -> http://www.wilderssecurity.com...
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E.G.#6 - Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes does also:
MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts + RECOMMENDS my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
APK
See subject dullard: You omitted counting the 1st year (it counts too stupid).
* Now I KNOW I am dealing with an utter dolt... seriously!
APK
P.S.=> Unbelievable - what a moron you are, lol... apk
Are likely to be social leaders, scientists, engineers, astronauts, science fiction writers and philosophers.
Wouldn't it simply be more likely that people who do these sorts of things are young, and youth is more likely to be narcissistic?
Slashdot articles are shit, thanks to Dice.