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North Korea Claims It Detonated Its First Hydrogen Bomb (nytimes.com)
HughPickens.com writes:
North Korea announced it has detonated its first hydrogen bomb, dramatically escalating the nuclear challenge from one of the world's most isolated and dangerous states. "This is the self-defensive measure we have to take to defend our right to live in the face of the nuclear threats and blackmail by the United States and to guarantee the security of the Korean Peninsula," said a North Korean announcer on the state-run network. "With this hydrogen bomb test, we have joined the major nuclear powers." The North's announcement came about an hour after detection devices around the world had picked up a 5.1 seismic event that South Korea said was 30 miles from the Punggye-ri site where the North has conducted nuclear tests in the past.
"North Korea's fourth test — in the context of repeated statements by U.S., Chinese, and South Korean leaders — throws down the gauntlet to the international community to go beyond paper resolutions and find a way to impose real costs on North Korea for pursuing this course of action," says Scott Snyder, a Korea expert at the Council on Foreign Relations. According to the NY Times, the test is bound to figure in the American presidential campaign, where several candidates have already cited the North's nuclear experimentation as evidence of American weakness — though they have not prescribed alternative strategies for choking off the program. The United States did not develop its first thermonuclear weapons — commonly known as hydrogen bombs — until 1952, seven years after the first and only use of nuclear weapons in wartime.
"North Korea's fourth test — in the context of repeated statements by U.S., Chinese, and South Korean leaders — throws down the gauntlet to the international community to go beyond paper resolutions and find a way to impose real costs on North Korea for pursuing this course of action," says Scott Snyder, a Korea expert at the Council on Foreign Relations. According to the NY Times, the test is bound to figure in the American presidential campaign, where several candidates have already cited the North's nuclear experimentation as evidence of American weakness — though they have not prescribed alternative strategies for choking off the program. The United States did not develop its first thermonuclear weapons — commonly known as hydrogen bombs — until 1952, seven years after the first and only use of nuclear weapons in wartime.
They popped a hydrogen filled balloon with a lit cigarette and declared success.
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It won't be long before China or Russia sells them a delivery vehicle, if they haven't done so already.
By his divine power he created hydrogen from his bowel and light it setting the world alight in his glorious blaze. Praise the leader and death to the west.
Reminds me of a song from this guy... goo.gl/qXOw3m
> the test is bound to figure in the American presidential campaign, where several candidates have already cited the North's nuclear experimentation as evidence of American weakness ...
I propose we send those "several candidates" to North Korea to "fix" the situation. They may take a handgun and/or an assault rifle along if they prefer so.
We have sniffer/detector craft for just this reason.
I wait until we hear confirmation before believing anything NK says.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Without the complicity of China. The idea that China is a bystander in this is a joke.
All countries should have equal arsenals of freedom. For our freedoms.
"one of the world's most ... dangerous states" ,drone kill children , spy on everyone, etc etc, lala in order to loot resources of others. it also has a history of genocidal land grabs, ethnic cleansings , worst form of slavery very late, use of nuclear weapons etc etc
well yes one of.
the most dangerous state is usa, the country that invades others , supports coups, run torture camps
present north korea , indeed is a horrible state , but nowhere near usa morally.
As evidenced by early interviews with politicians, we are hamstrung in the US by partisan bickering, and cannot be counted on to fix this. The World will need to come together on this, or we're likely to affirm Fermi's Paradox.
Though it is prudent to remember early reporting is often erroneous, It was reported this morning on CNN that Iranian scientists may have helped this along.
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I guess I'm dumb, how is a pure fission warhead not thermonuclear? I'm not saying a fission bomb is better, cheaper, more efficient, or more destructive, but wtf?
because it is time. Time to NUKE EM NOW!
Ever notice how Kim looks like a pigdog.
That North Korean astronaut that went to the sun and back in 4 hours [1] recently was obviously going to collect hydrogen for this device.
[1] Yeah, yeah, I know the story was fabricated rather than being an official NK declaration.
We need to port over some of the arguments from last night's discussion on gun control. "Why shouldn't Dear Leader be allowed to defend himself and his family, just because he's bugfuck insane"?
You are welcome on my lawn.
Precision munitions are better. You only need one small guided bomb to take out O'l Kimmy.
I'm going back to sleep.
China does not want the refugees if the north goes down.
But they also don't want any fall out and the north can shell the shit out of seoul.
The whole point of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty was the states that had nukes would not use them against those who did not on the condition they did not make their own in the meantime and that the nuclear powers would disband their nuclear weapons by 1995. Well 1995 came around and the nuclear powers flipped the bird to the rest of the world and said 'SUCKERS!' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
And the rest of the world said "What the fuck ever", "sure thing boss," or "awesome! lets get some too!!!!" Nothing magical about the technology so it was only a matter of time before they caught up. And so now, having blown their chance to rid the world of nukes, America finds everyone else is getting them too, and eventually American troops will be on the receiving end of the weapons as they spread. http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/...
Now we have a butt-fucking crazy mo-fo, protected by China, with his hands on the most dangerous weapon ever created. This is what happens when you sit back and do nothing and wish the world won't change, even as it changes around you.
I'd call this a massive fucking foreign policy failure. Nicely played, America.
Maybe instead of antagonizing them, we should work with them to get rid of our common enemy.
The muslims.
Three decades ago, when West Berlin and West Germany were under threat of nuclear attack from the USSR, the youth of West Berlin and West Germany were well known for their songs protesting nuclear weaponry.
One notable protest song has lyrics that start like:
Like the lyrics say, these West German youth knew they didn't have any real power, but they knew through song they could fight against their enemies.
Why are South Korean youth so silent when facing a similar threat? Why have they not produced any notable protest songs decrying nuclear weapons? Why are they so passive and silent compared to, say, the West German youth who faced a similar threat?
The most dangerous country in this days is United States.
As soon as North Korea starts getting a little excited and starts sabre rattling and threatening other countries, China will tell them to shut the fuck up or they'll withdraw aid.
Summation 2
The US elections are going on with no mention, the 24 hour news cycle ignores him until he tops his last incredible act, and then he has to deal with domestic issues...
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
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Oh me too, me too. Finally got that off my todo list. Whew.
The sad and scary thing is that North Korea never stopped fighting the Korean War even though everyone else walked away and carried on with their lives. There was no official "end" to the Korean War, just a "time out".
North Korea is trying to save the planet.
As his tears flow down into a bowl of kimchi and goes for your guns.
Kim Jong-il knows there has already been a nuclear bomb called "little boy" and "fat man" right?
NK is short on currency and demand for nukes is high in the middle east.
and the north can shell the shit out of seoul.
That's for sure . NK is so full of shit that they don't need shells .
If true, it's quite frightening. H bombs currently require multiple small A bombs to triggter, and the bomb casing is also typically made out of non-weapons grade uranium which reflects and focuses the A-bomb blasts onto the tritium and deuterium core.
First, no, you don't need "multiple small A bombs to trigger" a fusion detonation. You need one. You can make multi-stage weapons like the Tsar Bomba, nobody seems to nowadays.
Second, you can supposedly make the tamper out of a lot of different materials (even lead) - but even if you decided to use uranium, any country with a big enough program to make an A-bomb would have a crapload of uranium metal sitting around.
Nuclear weapons create earthquakes, and you can roughly estimate the size of the bomb from the magnitude of the earthquake. In this case, we're looking at a 5.1 magnitude quake:
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/ear...
There's an empirical law for calculating the size of an underground nuclear blast from the magnitude of the earthquake.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
This law is a little sketchy (earthquake size depends on how tightly the bomb is packed into the ground), but taking it at face value I calculate a 45 kiloton blast. That's nowhere near a true fusion H-bomb (typically hundreds of kilotons up to megatons): it's consistent with a large fission bomb, a boosted fission weapon, or a failed fusion test, where the fusion secondary failed to ignite.
This April we are holding our annual war games with South Korea. We expect North Korea to rattle it's sabers and embarrass you again while this exercise is conducted. We propose the following: Approach the leadership of North Korea with helping them conduct a war game of their own. Get a couple hundred divisions of your army into Pyong Yang under those pretenses, then capture or kill Kim and destroy his regime before he even realizes what's happening. Allow the South Korean army to take over the north and in exchange we will completely withdraw all troops from the Korean peninsula.
Not-so-lil Kim and his cronies are playing with fire here.
If they think the US is going to accept their psychotic little cult-of-personality kleptocracy developing nuclear capability and the ability to actually lob one into the US, they're even nuttier than they've been reported to be.
It's as if they're begging to be carpet-bombed back into the stone age.
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It's long been said that nuclear weapons are the first mechanisms of peace in human history. So I'm willing to say that I hope this is a good thing. I hope that, like everyone else, north korea doesn't wind up using it for anything more than garnering respect for their own sovereignty.
I do find it upsetting, disappointing, and just plain odd that the U.S.A. would try to stop a country from developing a technology that the U.S.A. developed 65 years ago. It would seem to be a futile effort. Obviously they'll eventually figure it out -- it's documented all over the web, and now in this slashdot discussion myriad times.
The enemy is always irrational and unpredictable and crazy and dangerous and out to destroy you. Let's hope that the leader of a nation is truthfully none of those in this regard.
I'm think it's a good thing; I really don't want to be proven wrong.
Christmas is over, and Kim Jong-un didn't get any presents from the west. He knows we're all real busy, so it probably just slipped our minds. So this is his discreet way of reminding us that, even though he's atheist, he still appreciates Christmas gifts.
North Korea does this every few years. Next there's a lot of diplomacy, we give them lots of food and money, and they promise to never ever, ever, do another nuclear test again. Pinky swear.
They popped a hydrogen filled balloon with a lit cigarette and declared success.
So you're saying junior great leader Kim has achieved the Holy Grail of energy research?
It's not that simple. North Korea, even without nuclear weapons, is a pretty formidable foe. They have a highly trained, well equipped military, lots of anti-aircraft weapons, a large system of deep underground facilities and other things. There's a reason we haven't finished them off in all this time.
There's a reason we haven't finished them off in all this time.
I'd like to think that we don't go around 'finishing off' weaker countries just for the heck of it. Because this thinking only justifies Kim's level of paranoia and arms development.
I'm perfectly happy to stand by while the two Koreas only glare at each other over the DMZ. We are there with our armed forces only to assist in the defense of an ally should it be needed.
Have gnu, will travel.
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Isn't it interesting how the Zionist controlled media is always finger pointing at Iran and North Korea, labeling them as "evil"; while stockpiling nuclear weapons, denying them, and blackmailing the world.
ISRAEL IS THE BIGGEST THREAT TO WORLD PEACE. Wake up and smell the jewish bullshit.
There is such a thing as boosted fission weapons, which do have fusion fuel---deuterium and tritium, in the core of the fission primary. This is not an "H-Bomb". The fusion fuel provides comparatively insignificant energy output from fusion and contributes almost nothing to the yield---however, it does provide an extra boost of neutrons at close to the moment of maximum criticality, therefore substantially increasing the efficiency of the fission reaction. It is a physical 'neutron gun', and in practice, a key step towards significantly smaller and lighter fission weapons suitable for a mass-constrained ballistic missile warhead.
The transition from fission weapons to true multi-stage radiation coupled thermonuclear weapons (Teller-Ulam) is indeed quite challenging scientifically, there are far more uncertainties than with the fission weapons. It's all about energy transfer, exotic thermodynamics and fluid mechanics.
There are still significant undisclosed secrets in this stage as well. The fusion section is not just Li6-D, but a combined assembly of fusion and fission fuel & tampers. A major part of yield in modern thermonuclear weapons is in fission of the secondary, and it is very incorrect to say that they are "clean weapons". A big part of yield (60-80%) is from fission and the amount of fallout is proportional to total fission events & energy.
A boosted primary core is a practical prerequisite for multi-stage H-bombs, though as it provides a cleaner and more appropriately shapable radiation pulse to drive the secondary.
I believe it to be more likely that DPRK tested a boosted fission primary and the staff told His Supercritical Eminence that it was a H-bomb. Which is true, from a certain point of view.
Which video game was North Korea playing when they detonated a hydrogen bomb?
But the NEIC did not post a source mechanism yet. Faults and explosions have clearly distinction source mechanisms. An explosions "first motion" on a seismogram is outward in all 360 directions. A fault shows four quadrants of motion- alternating in and out. Usually the NEIC posts a moment tensor solution of its own or from a university within minutes of a new large quake. I just looked.
P.S. Faulted quakes and explosions have other, more subtle distinguishing characteristics devised to bypass Russian and Isreali test cheating in the past.
We are not in charge of who gets to do what. America is not the world police.
Serously, leave other countries alone and we would stop looking like the war mongering asshats we have become.
When did the USA decide it would tell every other country what, when, where, how, and why they can or can not do something?
'Merica, land of the we tell you wut.
Can we give the gooks a hydrogen bomb? Like, just airdrop it on Pyongyang?
Really? So the world's response to this is "we can't let this happen"...O really and EXACTLY what is anyone going to do about this? apply more sanctions? (clearly that isn't working, hasn't worked & won't work as long as a mad man is running that country)...it's an entirely impotent response, its not even a useful 'sound bite' because of just how impotent it sounds.
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Several countries around the world have nuclear weapons, why should north korea be denied the same? This is a case of larger countries trying to push smaller ones around out of arrogance.
While the regime in north korea is not without its flaws, they are also not stupid. They want nuclear weapons to give them a voice at the bargaining table, specifically because they don't like the way larger countries push them around. They're not actually going to use these weapons any more than any other country, because they know the result would be their own destruction.
Imposing sanctions on them will not stop their nuclear program, all it does is increase their determination because sanctions are far less likely and far less punitive if they have a credible nuclear weapon, just look at russia's actions in ukraine, if a smaller non nuclear armed country annexed part of another it would have resulted in war against them.
Similarly sanctions hurt the people of north korea far more than the government, cutting the people off from the rest of the world only helps to further strengthen their regime while those in power have their own black market channels to generate their own wealth.
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According to the NY Times, the test is bound to figure in the American presidential campaign, where several candidates have already cited the North's nuclear experimentation as evidence of American weakness
Cause and effect, bitches. Cause and effect. Ah, never mind. The unnamed candidates will never get it even though there is the situation with the second amendment to refer to.
It's like the 1950's all over again...
NU-KU-LAR, repeat after me. There.
"Kim's level of paranoia" ... is it paranoia if it's true?
The U.S. killed 25% of North Korea's population.
The West carpet bombed Libya and Libya didn't threaten anyone. Ironically Gaddafi rolled back Libya's nuclear program and ratified the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty... and look what that got him.
Im surprised no one has yet mentioned the Rothchild's or Central bank?
That is the definitive way of remotely sensing the detonation of a nuclear weapon, isn't it?
So while this looks like a "dud" as a fusion weapon test, they already have bombs like the ones dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Of course, Bill Clinton assured us that his 1994 "nuke deal" with North Korea would stop their nuclear weapons development program. That was the deal his "social worker" and Democrat activist friend Wendy Sherman negotiated - since innner-city poverty work is clearly the primary qualification needed for international nuclear weapons deal negotiations. Sadly, this is the same incompetent woman President Obama turned to to negotiate the equally feckless Iran nuclear deal and that Harvard will now allow to indoctrinate young Americans into terminal stupidity. Of course, as with her North Korea nuke deal, this woman was so incompetent that she never even READ the Iran "deal" she brokered. Expect Iranian nuke tests soon, and global nuclear terrorism and blackmail in the decades ahead.
Leftist lunatics with "social justice" agendas should never be allowed near serious issues. Even most right-wingers are too un-serious and insufficiently suspicious/cautious to be involved in such matters. Such negotiations should only involve people who have been on a battlefield smelling and tasting death with a gritty awareness that such things are REAL and not some damned abstract polysci exercise to slam-dunk an "achievment" or "legacy" during a short political term with no concern for the people who will face the results decades later.
your last name is Goebbels, or you wear a spare diaper on your head, or you wear a foil hat and spend your time worrying about the queen of England, the Bilderburgs, and the Masons....
Jew haters are the stupidest slice of humanity. They have a blind-hatred for a tiny slice of the human race with absolutely NO rational reason. They often cite lunatic conspiracy theories and easily proven FALSE "factoids" they got from Jew-hating web cites, or the rantings of a long-dead mass-murdering polygamist child molester as some sort of evidence for their whacky irrational hate. Have you counted the number of Jews in banking or politics and decided that's evidence of something? Did you count the number of Asians in those fields and panic in the same proportion about Asians "running everything"???? What makes you so simplistic, stupid, and bigoted that you think any two Jews even agree on anything, let alone some shadowy scheme to run the planet? Do you similarly think all blacks think the same? All Asians? All Caucasians?
Doofus!
If you're the skinhead sort, please go back and study the total insanity of the NAZI pagan beliefs and rituals and then spend a few days contemplating how you could be so STUPID as to actually fall for that garbage which is less-rational than the physics in a saturday morning Road Runner cartoon.
If you are the foil hat sort, kindly don't stop there - finish wrapping yourself entirely in foil to keep out all the cosmic rays and cell phone and powerline emissions, and then spend a few days contemplating how stupid you look doing an impersonation of a Mexican street taco.
If you're the sort who keeps a spare diaper on his head, please follow your beliefs to their logical conclusions and blow yourself to smithereens but kindly do it in a nice isolated bit of Arab or African desert where your trip to see 72 virgins wont affect any of the sane people on the planet.
Someone should now start the VaultTec company now, I'd join. I'm saving my bottle caps now
Nope, they know they will be tolerated.
If the US invades, China will counter-attack. If China invades, the US will counter-attack.
As long as they don't do something really stupid (like firing a nuke at one of their neighbors), they will be safe. If they do piss both sides off, the tolerance will end. The likely result being a new border between SK and China being drawn somewhere in the middle.
A long time ago, a relative went to China. He said that you can tell the North Korean refugees because they're so obviously underfed, so a Chinese family who shelters one will keep him or her inside until they can fatten up the refugee.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I thought the reason why no one bothered making the big Bertha type of bombs anymore was because it was much more effective to have a bunch of smaller ones in a MIRV type setup... Which is much more dependent on the delivery system. From what tests NK has done, while they may be a nuclear power, their delivery systems are not really on the same level. If your target isn't that far away (i.e. SK), it probably doesn't have to be that far advanced. That said, it could be reasonable that they follow the similar development strategies (i.e. one big bomb) as other nations did long ago, likely for the same reasons (delivery issues... Tsar Bomba was dropped by a bomber plane if I remember correctly, which barely had time to get out of the way, another reason to limit size due to delivery system)...
Having said that, I seem to recall NK trying to advance their "satellite" launching ability...
Why its difficult to build a hydrogen bomb?
http://qz.com/588519/why-its-s...
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