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GNOME Settings Area Getting a Refurbishment (gnome.org)
jones_supa writes: Allan Day has written a blog post today about some of the improvements that are being worked on for GNOME's settings area. The new GNOME Settings area is working toward a model that uses a list sidebar for navigation. The window is now resizable, and overall should be a nice upgrade. The new GNOME settings area certainly bears some resemblance to the Windows 10 settings app. Work is also ongoing specifically around improving GNOME's network settings, redesigned sound settings, experiments around improved display support, and various other enhancements to GNOME's settings area. For now, this work is considered experimental and all may not be completed in time for the GNOME 3.20 release in March.
Just buy Windows 10 already. By the time Gnome gets close the same usability, we'll have Windows 13. Stop cutting off your nose to spite your face.
So why masturbate over it?
MATE. Nobody seriously uses GNOME anymore.
Try listening to your users instead of implementing whatever eye candy and widgets you dreamt up after the 5th pint and 2 shots the night before. Just a thought.
/i hate manure! //fsck you, use openbox!
It looks rather good. As far as being somehow connected to Windows 10, operating systems have had the "list of categories on the left, control panel on the right" format for a very long time. Android's Tablet UI predates Windows 10 by a very long time for example.
What I wish is that GNOME would focus on the usability of their GNOME Classic system (you need to visit an external website to customize the panels. I'm not kidding about this, I don't mean "You need to go to a website to download add-ons", I mean GNOME's site for providing extensions is also where you change their settings, etc.) I appreciate though that one person working on improving a control panel doesn't mean they'd be working on improving the rest of the desktop if they weren't.
For now, there's Cinnamon.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Do people really care that much about them? There's really not that much of a difference between them all. There's not even that much of a difference between them and Windows in the first place.
Holy fuck! When I look at the screenshots I see huge areas of empty grey and white space. Yeah, I know some spacing is visually helpful, but in those screenshots HALF OR MORE of the goddamn window's area is this useless empty space! What the fuck! When I paid damn good money for a 28" monitor it was because I wanted the fucking screen space to be filled with useful information, not wasted with fucking idiotic amounts of totally useless empty space!
The color scheme and widgets look more IOS-esque rather than Windows 10.
I'm not an Apple fan by the way.
Does it remember the new size and position when you close it?
A couple of years ago, I thought it was GNOME 3 and Unity that would be most responsible for retarding the adoption of GNU/Linux on the desktop. Both are, in my opinion, fucking awful to use. I find them extraordinarily inefficient to use, I find that they look like shit, and their UIs are completely unintuitive. No normal user would want to use them, and no poweruser would want to use them either.
But then systemd was installed on my Debian GNU/Linux desktop, and GNOME 3 because the least of my problems. All of a sudden the desktop doesn't matter when the computer doesn't boot properly. I quickly became more concerned with getting access to the boot lots, which are now stored in some godawful binary format.
Long story short, I don't use Linux any longer. I now use FreeBSD, which does not come with systemd, and does not come with GNOME 3 by default. I couldn't be happier! My desktop boots properly each and every time, I can still use pretty much all of the good (that is, non-GNOME 3) software that I want to use, and I can use good desktop environments like XFCE and KDE.
seriously guys, this is as much non-news as that.
Gnome has no GUI selectable settings, all are accessed using Gconf-editor.
I wasted my life between 2003-2009 trying to improve GNOME, but the HIG zealots forced me out. Now I use MATE and Windows 10.
I like GNOME, I think the devs are doing a great job. I'm sure other people like GNOME. If you don't like GNOME then please stop whining about it and use something you do like. It really pisses me off that every time there's a GNOME story, the comments just get filled with off-topic moaning (yes, like this post).
The window is now resizable
When this is listed as a new feature of an application, I think you might be a couple decades behind the state of the art.
Gnome out of the box is almost always completely inadequate. I installed debian and gnome on a laptop and there were a whole host of things that weren't configurable yet. Previously on Fedora I needed to install gnome tweaks to change settings which should have been available to everyone. The choices made to limit the complexity for users are a joke. If this current gnome group built windows 7 they wouldn't even give you the "Power Options" settings tool. "Advanced" things might be advanced but they must be available for those who want to change them. You shouldn't have to install X, Y, and Z to get the option. A lot of people just assume the functionality isn't available at all since it isn't available by default. Ironically most of these modern UI dolts think things should just work right out of the box.
A large portion of the submitter's words were stolen verbatim from the second link without any attribution.
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I've even tried the latest Cinnamon and I thought there were some paper cuts in there still.
Although maybe a wider monitor (to get more task bar space) and a recent graphics card or GPU would fix some of that.
Mate is predictable regardless of your hardware or whether you use a bleeding edge distro or a stable one.
No hunt for applets : too bad if you wanted an ecosystem of little applet and widget things, but the built-in ones are dependable.
I am among some many users still on Ubuntu 14.04 and waiting for 16.04 or on Mint 17, waiting for Mint 18 so not caring much yet.
In fact, I'm more concerned about whether the driver support will get better and the applications better and less buggy.
I use Gnome, but I think one of the most truly ludicrous, flipping insane ideas is you need a freaking 3rd party app (gnome tweak tool) to change basic things like color or font.
Whats even worse is the 3rd party app is some python scripted crap.
Hello, I mean Windows 3.0 let you change colors and fonts, we're living in 2016 and Gnome still won't let you do what Windows could in 1993?????
Whats so insanely hard about having a built in control panel pane that lets you configure basic things without having to download a 3rd party app.
How quaint.
Gnome Tweak Tool is not third party. It's an official GNOME app developed as part of GNOME and hosted on the GNOME git service.
Then why is there ZERO integration with it? Why is it some python scripted separate app instead of being a normal control panel pane, like changing color is in every other operating system on the planet. Why do you have do a separate download. Thats it just utterly crazy that it does not have the ability built in to change color.
Because it was produced by a bunch of deranged Gnomes Or is there some other explanation?
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They actually had a settings window you *coudln't* resize??? WTF? ... This is really unbelievable.
I didn't understand all the hype & rage in the last 15 years but not having your settings window (or *any* window for that matter) resizable is abysmally retarded. I've been making fun of Windows for this shit for the last 20 years. What harebrain had the briliiant idea to make a window in Gnome non-resizable?
I'd be ashamed to brag about a window now being resizable again.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Cathegorically, *no*. X11 forbids the application from having any say over where its windows appear. At best it can give a hint. The Window manager is totally free to ignore this hint.
I know this, because I was tasked with implementing an application on Linux once that had a user requirement that the windows should come up where the user last left them. I couldn't figure out which arcane combination of window hints and X11 calls made a window appear at those coordinates, so I asked on the internet - and had a ton of drek deposited on me for not respecting the One Unix Way, the True Unix Philosophy, and My Users' Right To Choice. Of course they had made their choice, and they wanted the windows to appear where they last left them, which the window manager did not do, but that was hardly important.
So there's your answer, as provided by the veritable gods of UNIX. It is not the application's responsibility, it is entirely up to the window manager.
ARG! $thing is new, and therefore bad!
My edge case is not taken into account, therefore $company is not listening to its users!
If only it were done my way, then everyone would be happy. I won't actually take it upon myself to build anything though, lest I be shown wrong.
... and for this reason, while some users left Ubuntu due Unity, I started to use default Ubuntu exactly because they've replaced with Unity (previously, used Kubuntu).
ARG! slashdot users criticize specific aspects of yet another change that $VENDOR insists is an improvement.
Slashdot $USER has triggered me by not taking the feelings of mouthbreathing idiots into account, despite the fact there are plenty of simpleton alternatives for them.
If only more useful features were stripped out for lots of wizards that force workflow unnecessarily, and sensible layouts replaced with oversized widgets that waste screen real estate, then the bottom denominator would be happy. They're all that matters, after all. Professionals and enthusiasts are just whiny spectrum disorders who should be shunned from society anyway. I will always submit to whatever $VENDOR throws in my face as an improvement because newer is always better.
"GNOME Settings Area Getting a Refurbishment", also known as, "What Can We Fuck Up Today?"
They'll 'improve' it until it's so ruined that totally unusable, and then they'll slap a "Done" sticker on it.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
MATE is more customizable, and has way less useless crap.
WTF! Gnome has settings???
Both Gnome Settings and Win10 Settings are designed after Gnome Tweak Tool. Please, update the original post, that is plain wrong.
Funny thing is that Gnome 2 was pretty good, and ever since it has gotten worse and worse.