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'Star Wars: Episode VIII' Delayed By Seven Months (hollywoodreporter.com)
Mr.Intel writes with bad news for those of you champing at the bit to see the next Star Wars movie. Engadget reports: "You'll have to wait a bit longer to see what the heck is up with Luke Skywalker. Disney announced this afternoon that it's delaying Star Wars: Episode VIII from May 26, 2017 by seven months to December 15, 2017. Disney didn't give any reason for the delay, but sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that it'll allow the studio to give the film a Christmas release treatment, which worked pretty well for The Force Awakens. Additionally, it'll give director/writer Rian Johnson (Brick, Looper) more time to work on the film. THR's Borys Kit notes that may include rewrites to focus more on the new class of Star Wars characters."
Please turn in your "Nerd card" at the door. That is all
Because you sell more toys and other merchandise at Christmas time
That's about when those new parks open.
But it has swords, spacey ships, little toys, and fluffy teddy bears. That has to make up for the stilted dialogue, plots for simpletons (aka space cowboys), complete disregard for science in favour of space magic, and stupefying repetition.
I am altering the release date.
Pray I do not alter it any further.
Please turn in your "Nerd card" at the door. That is all
That's ok - I have a fairly cromulent "Geek Card" here anyway.
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Star Wars is an awful franchise. Star Trek is far superior -- better characters, better plots, more imaginative, better writing, etc... Star Wars should cease.
Star Wars is a space opera. Star Trek is more real sci-fi. Both have their purposes, and can co-exist. why do we have to choose?
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Star Wars is an awful franchise. Star Trek is far superior -- better characters, better plots, more imaginative, better writing, etc... Star Wars should cease.
Star Trek is as shit as Star Wars.
Babylon 5 is where the action is and the characters are great. Especially Garibaldi, Bester and G'Kar. They dwarf poor James Tiberius Kirk and company.
I think the box office returns have made their statement, but thanks for your opinion, which, of course, means absolutely nothing.
I liked the new Star Wars film. My family enjoyed it very much.
I look forward to many more movies to come.
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Star Wars is an awful franchise. Star Trek is far superior -- better characters, better plots, more imaginative, better writing, etc... Star Wars should cease.
Star Wars is a space opera. Star Trek is more real sci-fi. Both have their purposes, and can co-exist. why do we have to choose?
Why choose ? Because of vim versus emacs, commodore versus atari, amiga versus the world etc....We long for conflict and confrontation. There is nothing sci-fi about Star Trek. It's about as fantasy as Star Wars.
Oh wait, no, Disney owns both titles.
Browncoats yay!
But it has swords, spacey ships, little toys, and fluffy teddy bears. That has to make up for the stilted dialogue, plots for simpletons (aka space cowboys), complete disregard for science in favour of space magic, and stupefying repetition.
Compensate this, compensate that. That's about the scientific content of your typical
Star Trek episode. It's a pretty poor track record. The Expanse just to name a recent sci-fi series is real science fiction material. Not Star Trek.
Having watched all 7 movies this week, I've decided that the franchise really died after ESB.
RoTJ was mostly crap (Jabba's palace an Ewoks were equally as bad as Jar Jar), and the prequels need no further explanation.
Ep7 was so pathetic it's not funny. Lame characters, unoriginal script and plot, and massive holes in the story. I'll watch Ep8 when it comes out, but only because I found a new way to enjoy them, picking the shit out of their weak production.
"that may include rewrites to focus more on the new class of Star Wars characters"
yeah. that'll be because they ignore george lucas, who has been working on a storyline for several decades. did anyone else notice that the film was pretty much a quotes modern reinvention quotes of the exact same story of the very first film - right down to having a tunnel that the tie-fighters went down and got shot at?
i heard a story related to john lasseter, where the only reason that some of the older artists working on disney films stayed on was out of loyalty to walt. this despite the managers and directors at disney studios for over a decade basically viewing disney studios as a "profit generation outfit". as a result we got absolutely awful films like that one about voodoo down in new orleans, and that one about a bison in the U.S. desert, which was a truly nerve-grating scratch-your-own-eyes-out bitch-fest, with the main characters verbally back-stabbing each other pretty much the entire time [and this is supposed to be a kid's film].
marvel comics and dc comics films are successful because there is a HUGE volume of material developed by extremely talented writers over many decades. script-writers therefore actually have *too much* originality to work from, as well as having the advantage of not really needing to do too much in the way of "back-story" - they can jump right in.
to dick about with a 3-decade-long complex story by IGNORING THE PERSON WHO WROTE IT is just... well... disappointing.
for the marketing people to develop all those new toys and make a the licensing deals with hamburger chains.
Apparently, Disney is asking for 40% more shocking plotholes. Also, the film in its present form contains several original ideas, and it takes time to meticulously edit these out.
Star Wars is a space opera. Star Trek is more real sci-fi.
My phony detector always goes on when someone brings out the "space opera" bullshit. It's like saying: "Under Siege is an action movie. The English Patient is a real movie."
Guess what, one is a subset of the other, so your comparison is just phony and lame.
lucm, indeed.
Bring George Lucas in, let him come up with another funny "Jar Jar" character to make the movie even better!
Do you have ESP?
To allow more time for additional crybaby bitch whining from George Lucas.
But it has swords, spacey ships, little toys, and fluffy teddy bears. That has to make up for the stilted dialogue, plots for simpletons (aka space cowboys), complete disregard for science in favour of space magic, and stupefying repetition.
Are you talking about SW VII or Trek 11?
If God forks the Universe every time you roll a die, he'd better have a damned good memory.
Divine justice would be for fans seeing how shitty the Disney ownership of Star Wars really is to clamor the return of Uncle George at the helm. And Lucas should give the finger to the so-called fans.
No, it's not phony. Fine, say hard sci-fi rather than real sci-fi, since it may seem less snooty, but it makes the same point. Star Wars is focused on an adventure in a society with advanced technology, not so much the societal implications of a particular imagined technological advance. I'm not sure why you consider "space opera" pejorative, it's just focused more on a personal journey than on a narrative about the effect of hyperdrive on a society, for instance. I love Star Wars, but I don't think the cast and crew consider it a priority to deeply consider the ramifications (or even consistencty) of the technology it presents.
with all the money they made from the first movie, they can afford an original script.
Please, we all know Stargate is the superior franchise.
Seriously, episode 7 was the most disappointing SW ever. I would rather cherish the memory of episode 1-6 rather than watch yet another one and ruin my memory. I have decided no more to watch new episodes of series which are otherwise logically completed (Wont' watch next Harry Potter if it ever comes out).
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Who fucking cares? Anyone who even bothers to have an opinion about this is wasting their life.
On one hand there's a bunch of people exploring the universe, using teleportation to travel short distances and 3d printers to create food. On the other there's a bunch of people fighting with light sabers and using hyperdrive to run away from other spaceships. Both have aliens, energy shields, politics, fleets and a small band of heroes who do all the work even if there's thousands of people in their team.
Any subcategory you create to classify those two stories differently is phony.
lucm, indeed.
I still haven't seen Episode VII. Maybe I'll catch it when it hits the bargain theaters.
Exactly.
Star Trek was better when it was Star Trek: a show about exploration and pontificating on the human condition, occasionally using aliens as caricatures of our own extremes. And sure, it got a little smug and pretentious at times, but such is life.
Star Wars was always the pulpy sci-fi action franchise with whiz-bang lasers, and damsels in distress, knights and knaves, evil wizards and all the silly stuff that's fun, but much less meaningful in the long run.
These days, both are trying to be Star Wars, and frankly, Star Wars is better at it.
Star Trek is more real sci-fi.
Reroute power to the splodey consoles! Can you detect anything with your Betazed woo? What? Orcs^H^H^H^HKlingons with swords off the port bow?
So.. this one will be a re-envisioned remake of The Empire Strikes Back instead of A New Hope Version 2?
If your detector is phony, perhaps you should ignore it.
People who pay attention to phony phony detectors always set off my phony detector.
Please, we all know Stargate is the superior franchise.
Ah hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah omer simpson style laugh.
No way man. Stargate is uhm something ? But it definitely is not the superior franchise.
Star Wars is a child's movie for small minds who can't grasp concepts beyond bad and good, black and white.
Vim
On one hand there's a bunch of people exploring the universe, using teleportation to travel short distances and 3d printers to create food. On the other there's a bunch of people fighting with light sabers and using hyperdrive to run away from other spaceships. Both have aliens, energy shields, politics, fleets and a small band of heroes who do all the work even if there's thousands of people in their team.
Any subcategory you create to classify those two stories differently is phony.
Yeah, cause neither holds a candle to "The Expanse", a better space opera than Star Wars and a better SciFi show than Star Trek... so there....
and... that's my cue to duck.... (evil grin)
Yeah, but Under Siege has that chick from baywatch jump out of a cake topless.
Harrison Ford is getting old and doesn't need the cash like Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill
Good Lord; basic editing is even done on the most garden-variety hobbyist sites nowadays. Rudimentary technology knowledge and good English skills aren't mutually exclusive.
It's obvious where that dark side feeling comes from; Di$ney (c)orporation. I should have expected to find them holding the fans' leash. I recognized their foul stench as soon as I read the headline.
When the copyright term is "forever minus a day", live every day like it's the last.
Mark Hamill has done a TON of voice-acting and guest appearances (seriously, check out his imdb resume).
He's not going to starve anytime soon.
Yeah, cause neither holds a candle to "The Expanse", a better space opera than Star Wars and a better SciFi show than Star Trek... so there....
and... that's my cue to duck.... (evil grin)
No spoilers please! I'm waiting until there's enough episodes to go on a binge.
lucm, indeed.
Yeah, but Under Siege has that chick from baywatch jump out of a cake topless.
Gary Busey?
lucm, indeed.
Vi
fluffy teddy bears
Those damn Ewoks are as bad as Tribbles in a Klingon's bed.
my favorite show ever is Star Trek TSG. Picard will always be my captain.
Have you considered maybe reading the books? There was a new one out this summer, making 4 I think in all.
I dunno, given that none of the other stuff we're talking about here began as actual books, maybe you should give it the same respectful consumption of its original medium instead of bitch about spoiling it until they churn out more for the boob tube.
"Don't spoil 'The Force Awakens' for me, I'm waiting for it to come out in Smellovision with hieroglyphic subtitles!"
Any subcategory you create to classify those two stories differently is phony.
The subcategory that separate them is:
one considers the raminfications of the technology on society as a key part of the story; as a key theme; that's hard sf.
one doesn't. the science fiction is just window dressing.
If you can replace planets with islands, star ships with boats, and light sabres with metal ones and tell the same story then its not hard sf.
The star trek episode where they've abstracted war to the point that the sims run, and people walk into suicide booths is hard SF. You can't remove the technology from that story. The de-personalisation of the conflict is a crucial point, the notion of a such a clean war and the extrapolation from the premise to the idea that such a war would never end, because it wasn't disruptive enough to the societies engaged in it... its not incidental to the plot -- its a primary theme.
Not all star trek is hard sf though; lots of it is no different than star wars. Not that star wars is bad. But hard sf and space fantasy are very different things.
maybe it will give them time to actually come up with a story this time rather than just rehashing the original movies.
Now I like both (some of) Star Trek and (some of) Star Wars. Some things to keep in mind are that :
* Trek was *many* series with some movies. SW was movies with a cartoon series, both had books
* Trek had some abysmal episodes, but there's a lot more to pick from when digging for gold
* Meesa Jar-Jar Bin... SHUT UP WESLEY!
* Both had some exceptional actors. I don't think many can say Patrick Stuart is pretty awesome, and Ford rocks
Most comparisons are likely going to be between STTOS and SW. I think overall Trek had more (quantity wise) memorable characters, but again it was a SERIES so there was more time for development. In the end though, some scenarios come to mind:
William Shatner gets VD and misses the audition, so another actor takes Kirk. Would it be better or worse?
Harrison Ford breaks his leg while saving a kitten from a tree, missing his audition. Better or worse?
In the above, I'd say Trek might do better or the same, but SW would be worse off. To me that means SW's main actor was better, but also that a lot of what made it good was due to Ford.
Now last scenario to drive it home:
Shatner gets kicked off set when he's caught banging the director' s assistant. Instead, they cast as Kirk... Harrison Ford.
Which one is the winner now? â
Disagree entirely. They have similar *settings*. Their stories share the goal of entertaining, but beyond that have entirely different purposes. Shaun of the Dead and Night of the Living Dead are both movies about a zombie plague. One is a horror comedy, the other is horror drama. "Hard sci-fi" is an extra descriptor that indicates a goal of the movie is to explore impact of X technology. It's just not something that applies to Star Wars.
Hardly. Trek is way too preachy on the left wing politics. Of course, so is the new star wars.
Stargate (the movie), plus Stargate SG1, plus Stargate Atlantis (and related movies), were awesome, IMO. The Stargate Universe series was a flop and doesn't exist in the cannon (in my opinion).
Excluding SGU, I found the whole Stargate series to be more action-packed, more dramatic, and all-around more interesting than any of the star trek series I watched. And there was plenty of good science fiction (with relatively little amounts of space-magic...star trek actually had more space-magic (consider the Q, for example)).
So, apparently, our opinions differ.
> who doesn't want to make human torches!
Er, Disney. Haven't you been paying attention? (See: Disney's Marvel, and its refusal to produce Fantastic Four merchandise until it gets the rights back from Fox)
If they don't find a way to bring back Jar Jar in those 7 months I'm done with Starwars!
If I wanted absolute reality I'd watch a Neil deGrass Tyson documentary. Star Wars is fun and it's meant to be.
Is this the equivalent of waving your hands and telling us that we don't need to see your identification? That these in fact are not the nerds we're looking for?
Move along.
TSG? The stupid generation?
Years later they're still flying around in a highly visible bright white ship pointlessly adorned with christmas lights as if they're trying to say to the closest romulan cruiser "HEY, WE'RE OVERE HERE!"
Then they take and endanger a crew of hundreds of people all over when on several occasions they've proved you really only need about a half dozen people to make the ship go.
I was a fan of the original Star Wars, they are tremendously well done space opera movies, but their time has passed. Lightsabers, the Millenium Falcon, the stupid Storm Troopers, the death star/planet, the masked bad guy, etc all seen before. The latest movie, although suberbly executed, was not fresh at all. It was a rehash of all the things we have seen in the past.
I hope they take those 7 months and update the Star Wars Universe, at last.
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Bullshit, not every episode of Star Trek was SciFi, but a lot of them were.
Star Wars is for people who want a good time. Star trek is for creeps who want to molest kids.
well..
jj abrams star wars is certainly better than jj abrams star trek.
both are plot challenged though.
having luke only at the end for 4 secs was such a piece of crock though. like you need to haul the actor around doing pr work for that eh
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Star Wars is an awful franchise. Star Trek is far superior -- better characters, better plots, more imaginative, better writing, etc... Star Wars should cease.
Star Wars is a space opera. Star Trek is more real sci-fi. Both have their purposes, and can co-exist. why do we have to choose?
Why can one ether be a Christian or a Muslim? Whichever one chooses one is a heretic from the other groups point of view. Now crawl back under the rock you crawled out from under you faithless Lucas-hound! STAR TREK FOREVER!
Star Wars is a space opera
I enjoyed it, up to a point. The problem is, it is too soapy; it is far too easy to imagine this going on and on for decade after sickening decade, like Coronation Street. A good story reaches a conclusion and leaves the audience at some sort of rest - in "The Farce awakens", the cheese levels got uncomfortably high, as we learned about how Luke Skywalker had become heartbroken and depressed, and the new Jedi lady finally found him, at which point it ended, thankfully. There was too little real story - it was just a well oiled rehash of old stuff. Would I go and watch the next one? I don't know - perhaps if I starve myself for a month first.
In other news, Mr. Intel wins d-bag of the years for posting about Star Wars and providing no reference. ( no hyperlink, nothing). Might be a corporate street minion.
Dood it was Lucas. I swear!!!!
TSG :D what the fuck is that? fucking mongoloid homo assface. You dont know jack shit fucktard.
Alright Mr Troll, here are 2 more questions for you:
- Emacs or Vim?
- Windows or Linux or MacOS ?
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The force is a religion to them and they've all been born again.
Going totally against his entire character of the prior films? The Luke I know wouldn't turn tail and run and hide, so there better be a damn good explanation.
Yeah but maybe he'd like to live the same lifestyle whithout spending his time doing all that crap.
Hopefully it will give them time to make a good movie unlike that poorly directed poorly paced clusterfuck of a movie that spent all of the character development time ignoring the two new and interesting actors in favor of more overly long actions scenes and cameos with characters whose actors stopped giving a shit in 1980.
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Somebody's pregnant.
I predict it's Andy Serkis.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
aka space cowboys
See you space cowboy.
(If being a simpleton gets me more space cowboy, I'm all for it)
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Space opera = future fantasy. Space magic.
There is no reason someone can't enjoy futuristic fantasy stories.
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Painting the Enterprise pitch black would make zero difference whatsoever. It would still be perfectly visible in infrared, as would be anything with a temperature above 2.7 Kelvin. Aside from magical plot contrivances like cloaking devices, there's no such thing as camouflage in space.
This is valid criticism, especially since they created another plot contrivance (saucer separation) to address that very issue, then barely used it.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
And replace droids with slaves -- an issue which Star Trek (at least, pre-Abrams) would not just gloss over the way Star Wars does.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Star Wars is a space opera. Star Trek is more real sci-fi.
*Walks away whistling to myself after casting disturbing glances at the speaker*
Russian Roulette is hardly hard SF, even if you scale it up to a nation. Dice rolls and cyanide pills would come close enough for storytelling purposes.
Log in or piss off.
'Star Wars: Episode VIII' Delayed By Seven Months (engadget.com)
See that engadget.com at the end of the title, Dice has started hiding the link right there.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
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Don't care about Star Wars any longer. J.J. Can take Star Wars and cram it. He ruined it. But seems the general populace couldn't care less. So I guess we are stuck with more crap like this last one.
DIP switch
You owe me a new keyboard.
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I give up on debugging. From now on, SIGSEGV is a feature.
I am currently re-watching B5 with my teenage daughter. It more than holds up 20 years later. Even the episodes in S1 that I felt at the time were duds have some great foreshadowing and dramatic irony when you know the ending. High up on my list for "Best TV Show Ever".
Which is just another Star Wars episode anyway thanks to JJ.
People love false dichotomies.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
Space opera = future fantasy. Space magic.
How is teleportation more scientific than "The Force"? Because Jedi mind tricks are not done using hardware? That's like seeing surgery (a mechanical process) as the only legitimate branch of medicine.
In recent Star Wars movies they've made an effort to explain what The Force is and why some species are not affected by it. It's not perfect but I'd say this is different from magic.
lucm, indeed.
My personal favorite was Picard's practice of, when the ship's sensors weren't good enough, sending Geordi to Ten Forward to look out the window.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
What do you see as left-wing politics in the new Star Wars? Is it left-wing to oppose a military takeover? Is it left-wing to be a competent female main character with fighting ability?
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
of any value at all was lost!
Star Wars is an awful franchise. Star Trek is far superior -- better characters, better plots, more imaginative, better writing, etc... Star Wars should cease.
Star Wars is a space opera. Star Trek is more real sci-fi. Both have their purposes, and can co-exist. why do we have to choose?
Star Trek is also space opera. They just had some better writers. Not that Star Wars was all that bad, but it was the fact they had some decent actors in there (Alec Guiness, Harrison Ford) and a very compelling story.
Star Trek also had more episodes (about 800 ish from memory for all 5 series). so it's easy to get 10 episodes of pure gold from that than 7 movies. That being said, ST had no problems falling back on a bit of deus ex machina to solve problems. Things like "repolarising the deflector shields" (you think for all their vaunted brilliance, Starfleet engineers would put the batteries in the right way the first time) or "ejecting the warp core". This got worse during the Berman/Braga era.
Star Trek, especially TNG and later series were more about exploring the human experience and aspects of humanity were often the focus of episodes (racism, violence, compassion) more often than not, reflected in alien species. Data's character was largely a means to examine human emotions. Star Wars was more about telling a grandiose story (much like B5 did).
But I digress, I agree completely both can co-exist and a lot of people like both (myself included).
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Is this the equivalent of waving your hands and telling us that we don't need to see your identification? That these in fact are not the nerds we're looking for?
Move along.
Touché. Engage, #1.
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Star Trek was more real sci-fi. Otherwise, concur.
my favorite show ever is Star Trek TSG. Picard will always be my captain.
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I can't recall anything particularly left-wing about Trek. Maybe it's just that anything less than hard right looks "lefty" to a knee-jerk conservative?
It was pretty obvious that the Enterprise-D was designed for diplomacy and exploration. Yes, it's armed, but it's not particularly well set up for combat, which is evident from the way the bridge is laid out, how the weapons systems are set up, and the overall design. Which is probably why it tended to get its ass kicked in a lot of combat situations.
I was thinking Erika Eleniak, but what ever floats your boat I guess.
Some people do.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I have no problem classifying both SW and ST as "sci-fi," but evidently some hardcore types get butthurt when their "serious" SF gets dismissed by people who only know Hollywood SF.
There was a time when SW would have been called sci-fi simply because robots, lasers, and spaceships. It was only somtime in the 1970s when lines got drawn in the sand by people who feel the need to classify everything into sub-genres and sub-sub-genres, so now we have cyberpunk, steampunk, dieselpunk, biopunk, nanopunk, stonepunk, fairypunk ad nauseam.
The thing is, SF has always been a kind of new setting for different types of stories - SW and ST are adventure stories, SW being more of a myth/fairy-tale and ST a Horatio-type romantic naval adventure, but the trappings aren't what's important. If you don't like adventure stories, slapping robots and spaceships on them isn't going to draw you in.