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Russia Forming Space Alliance With Iran, May Fly Iranian Astronaut (examiner.com)

MarkWhittington writes: Quietly, the Russians appear to be forming a space alliance with the Islamic Republic of Iran, according to a story in Sputnik. Not only is Russia in talks to launch Iranian satellites on Russian rockets but also to include an Iranian astronaut on a future space mission. What that space mission might be is open to question. A visit by an Iranian astronaut to the International Space Station would likely kick up a political firestorm with the United States, even though the Obama administration is attempting to develop a rapprochement with the Islamic Republic.

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  1. Re:Obama's foreign policy by gstoddart · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    At least during GWBush years while we were hated we were respected

    Think so?

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  2. Hmmm by koan · · Score: 1

    Which way is east in space?

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    1. Re:Hmmm by Number42 · · Score: 1

      Since we're still talking about Earth orbit here, it's not that hard to determine.

    2. Re:Hmmm by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Find the North Pole, east is on the right.

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    3. Re:Hmmm by thoromyr · · Score: 1

      Off topic.

      Oh, you meant, "which way is "? But that wouldn't sound as silly as "Which way is east in space?"

      I'm all for mocking religion, but it is such an easy target there's no reason to misrepresent anything.

    4. Re:Hmmm by thoromyr · · Score: 1

      doh! should've paid attention to the preview.

      Oh you meant "which way is [insert holy city of choice]"?

    5. Re:Hmmm by Rei · · Score: 1

      Muslims are supposed to pray toward Mecca, not "east". So they just need to know where they are in space, aim appropriately, and potentially have some angular momentum at times. That's not the tricky one. The tricky one is, what to do about fasting during Ramadan? ;) My understanding is that Ramadan fasts may be omitted for a person who is traveling, and so I suspect they'd just define that as "travel".

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    6. Re:Hmmm by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Unless you're "upside down" and the North Pole is on the bottom. (Up and down in space mean nothing, and you've still "found" it).
      A better indicator would be to point in the same direction of the Earth's spin.

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    7. Re:Hmmm by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Up and down in space mean nothing

      Not true ... the biggest localized gravity well is down. Orbit is just falling and missing in a predictable manner. ;-)

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    8. Re: Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It'd already been done:
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_astronauts
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_space

    9. Re:Hmmm by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Considering how orbital mechanics work, usually the direction you're going.

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    10. Re: Hmmm by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      I'm glad we at least solved the really important problems of mankind concerning space travel.

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    11. Re:Hmmm by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Is that like the secret to flying is to fall but miss the ground? ;)

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  3. Shouldn't that be iranian cosmonauts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Since they'd be flying with the Russians, wouldn't that make 'em cosmonauts rather than astronauts? While I always found the distinction irrelevant, there's still a difference between astro, cosmo, spatio and taiko nauts...

    Or are americans really just not good enough to have a term of their own and astronaut just encompasses their (american) scientists as well as all others?

    1. Re:Shouldn't that be iranian cosmonauts? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Why would you call an Iranian astronaut a cosmonaut? If a Russian cosmonaut was flying with the Americans you wouldn't call him an astronaut. Iran calls them astronauts, not cosmonauts. Burned.

    2. Re:Shouldn't that be iranian cosmonauts? by ventsyv · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cosmonaut and astronaut are synonyms. Cosmo is of Greek origin and means "world" or "universe", and in Russian it means, space, thus "cosmonaut" is someone who has been in space. Astro comes from Greek as well but it means "star". Astronaut is a term that comes from French and literally means someone who has been to the stars (the French being more poetic here). So it doesn't matter what you call it, the two words can be used interchangeably, but for some reason US media seems to call Americans astronauts and Russians cosmonauts. Maybe a remnant from the space race?

    3. Re:Shouldn't that be iranian cosmonauts? by Rei · · Score: 1

      Why would you call an Iranian astronaut a cosmonaut?

      Fadanaut?

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    4. Re:Shouldn't that be iranian cosmonauts? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      "USAian". Is that someone from the Union of South Africa?

      On a more serious note: grow up.

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    5. Re:Shouldn't that be iranian cosmonauts? by ventsyv · · Score: 1

      The continents are called North America and South America or "the Americas" (plural) when referring to both at the same time. America is short for United States of America - the only country in the world that has "America" in it's name. It's pretty standard to shorten the country's official name by removing the form of government portion. For example the People's Republic of China, is shortened to simply China, Russian Federation to Russia and the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia simply as Macedonia. Nothing controversial here. The N word is highly offensive in English. The original word might not be, but due to centuries of slavery and white supremacy, the meaning of it in English has changed significantly. Brazilian, Argentinians and Mexicans are regularly referred as such by the media. "Latino" seems to be a catch all, especially for the Central American countries. I suspect this stems from the assumption that the average American is not able to differentiate between the Central American (and to lesser extend South American) countries. France on the other hand is a large, well established country, a former colonial power, with significant cultural relevance to western culture. Not to mention that the term "Latin America" is of French origin...

    6. Re:Shouldn't that be iranian cosmonauts? by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      The continents are called North America and South America or "the Americas" (plural) when referring to both at the same time. America is short for United States of America - the only country in the world that has "America" in it's name. It's pretty standard to shorten the country's official name by removing the form of government portion. For example the People's Republic of China, is shortened to simply China, Russian Federation to Russia and the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia simply as Macedonia. Nothing controversial here.

      Wrong. America is also a continent. It depends on which number of continents model you follow (it *is* controversial). But when someone says that "Columbus discovered America" (no plural form), a very common phrase even in English, we all understand that we are talking about the continent called America and not the country of the United States.

      Also, people living on the continent called America or Americas (it doesn't matter whether it's plural) are called Americans, even though that usage is not frequent in English because of the confusion.

      It isn't comparable to removing the "republic of" before the name of a country. What distinguishes China from the other countries is the name "China". Not "people" or "republic". They also use the short name "China" in various international organizations. The USA never use the name "America" officially. You will never see a delegate from the USA in an international organization with the word "America" in front of him.

  4. Why would they care which way is east? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 2

    Did you mean which way is the shrine in Mecca?

    From LEO, it varies, just as it does on the surface. From far away, it would just be towards Earth.

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  5. Re:As long as... by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, NASA does have a detailed contingency plan for dealing with "rogue elements" in space: bind the subject's wrists and ankles with duct tape, tie them down with a bungee cord, and if needed, inject them with tranquilizers, all the while trying to calm them down verbally, explaining what you're doing and why you need to do it.

    It sounds kind of funny that they'd take the time to make such a plan, but it was created in case an astronaut for some reason or another goes crazy while in orbit. It's also allowed for if an astronaut is trying to commit suicide.

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  6. This is GOOD. Not BAD. by skaag · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People need to understand that a more technologically advanced Iran means the world will deal with a more advanced country, and a more advanced government, period. Iran has a lot of extremely smart people who's voices are not heard because they are drowned by the voices of the mentally insane.

    The sooner Iran values knowledge and science more than it values blind belief in fairy tales, the better for the rest of the world.

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    1. Re:This is GOOD. Not BAD. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Yes, really. This guy (probably will be male) will be from a technology / engineering background and vetted six ways from Sunday. He won't be there to antagonize anyone despite the junior high mentality here. It is entirely symbolic, but humans love symbolism.

      Might even do some good. The only real risk will be to the Iranian astronaut as he would irrevocably be branded as someone working with the Western powers. That might be an issue, depending on how things go. But the only real chance of getting some stability in the Middle East is if Iran is brought out of the 17th Century.

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    2. Re:This is GOOD. Not BAD. by skaag · · Score: 1

      I guess you're right, this rule really does apply to more than just Iran... (unfortunately).

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    3. Re:This is GOOD. Not BAD. by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      People need to understand that a more technologically advanced Iran means the world will deal with a more advanced country, and a more advanced government, period. Iran has a lot of extremely smart people who's voices are not heard because they are drowned by the voices of the mentally insane.

      The sooner Iran values knowledge and science more than it values blind belief in fairy tales, the better for the rest of the world.

      The real issue here is that we are dealing with an authoritarian government. It's hardly a blind belief, but belief in a control mechanism over society used to justify their authoritarian stance. Becoming more technologically advanced won't help them any more than Germany being on of the most technologically advanced countries during WW2 helped overthrow the Nazis. Speaking out against their blind beliefs will just single people out long before they become a threat to the government. Sure, I do think that becoming more technologically advanced will help, buy you are speaking on a scale of generations that will most likely come to a head due to other reasons first.

    4. Re:This is GOOD. Not BAD. by skaag · · Score: 1

      Did you notice how fast things turned in Iran into the shit show that it is today?
      I believe that with the correct sequence of events, orchestrated by a talented group of people, things in Iran can turn back just as fast.

      The people of Iran wish for it. They are tired of the current regime. Now all you need is the correct players, in the correct places, playing the right moves.

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  7. East in space by dallaylaen · · Score: 1

    It's not that hard. In a gravity-dominated, rotating frame of reference, one always has two special directions, namely the rotation axis (north-south) and direction towards the mass centre (up-down). The east-west axis for given point (unless these two are the same, which only happens at the poles) can be defined as a direction perpendicular to both, with east heading forward relative to rotation speed.

    Earth's orbit, Solar system, and Milky way are all such systems. And there's little chance they get beyond Milky way soon.

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  8. Re:Put the Iranian on an ICBM... by Rei · · Score: 2

    Come on, are you saying that the Iranian space program is really a cover story for the development of, say, a super long-range anti-ship missile?

    No, that's SpaceX. ;)

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  9. Re:Stop these stories by gerddie · · Score: 2

    I would like ./ editors to stop with "future Russian plans" stories, 'cause I can almost give you a warranty that given the today's economical situation in Russia, and given the fact that it's on the verge of collapse next to nothing will pan out in the nearest 20 to 50 years.

    I think it is way to early to write Russia off: Russia is big and has most if not all of the raw materials needed for all the important industries, the ties to China are also becoming stronger, and 20 to 50 years is a very long time.

    It would have been better if you'd run a story about the Russian ruble. It's dying. [...]

    A low value of a national currency makes imports for this country expensive and exports cheaper for buyers, which means a low valued currency is good for export oriented countries. Russia is an export economy. Considering that Russia mostly exports raw materials, and imports goods like cars, computers etc. such the push from the falling value of the Ruble may actually be good for its industry, because it makes these industries more competitive compared to imported goods (e.g. as imported cars become more expensive cars produced in Russia may become more interesting to Russian buyers).

  10. Probably not really a big deal at all by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As an American, believe me when I tell you that our government and most of our country (except for a few crazy right wingers) would love for Iran-US relations to improve at least to where each country doesn't cause the other one problems. In fact, I believe that the USA and Iran will one day again be great friends. Whether that is 10 years, 20 years or 50 years from now remains to be seen. But for reasons I won't go into less it digress into a pointless political discussion that never ends, it seems pretty inevitable for me. Just like if you find the average American under 60 years old probably has a very positive opinion of Japan but old people who lived through World War II may still carry some grudges, with time the older generation that hates the other side will die out and the younger generation will reap the benefits of friendship. I don't think having an Iranian on the ISS would be a big deal and if it leads to less tension between the 2 countries, I say "How quickly can we make this happen?"

    1. Re:Probably not really a big deal at all by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1, Interesting

      WWII is 70+ years gone. Japan has been behaving in an exemplary manner for a long time.

      Right wing reactions to various foreign nations tends to be based on things like

      • Are they threatening to kill us?
      • Are they infiltrating our country with e.g. bombers
      • Do they have a culture of rape and enslavement in their own country
      • Have they recently attacked our armed forces
      • Do they kidnap our citizens
      • Are they engaging in warfare against our allies

      Such behavior makes it not in the good interest of the United States to cooperate with them.

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    2. Re:Probably not really a big deal at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So...which has Iran done in the past 30 years?

    3. Re:Probably not really a big deal at all by Livius · · Score: 1

      That's a lot of euphemisms for 'oil'.

  11. nah. the Iranians hire that out by swschrad · · Score: 1

    I don't think there has been a direct Iranian terrorist with a DuPont overcoat. they support proxies for that.

    mustn't get hands dirty.

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  12. Re:Put the Iranian on an ICBM... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

    Elon does not think this is funny ....

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  13. Oh yeah, babe - Russian vodka, Iranian caviar... by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

    In fucking space!!!!

    Where do I sign?

  14. Re:And the bad news? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 4, Informative

    First Iranian in space?
    Hmm.....First suicide bomber in space?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  15. Infidels by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I thought that the reason Iranian leaders hate America so much is because it is a nation of infidels. How would Russia--with its atheist views--not be considered infidels too?

    1. Re:Infidels by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Iran recalls the US and UK support for Operation Ajax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      Iran also recalls US support for the Iraqi invasion of Iran in 1980 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...–Iraq_War
      ie the mischiefs of foreign intrigue.
      As far as the astronaut part goes, the Soviet Union and Russia offered places to a lot of other nations.
      List of cosmonauts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... has a list of other "Other cosmonauts" from different nations.
      Also see the Intercosmos program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    2. Re:Infidels by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Not even close.

  16. Re:Why the heck not? by ventsyv · · Score: 1

    Russia has taken to space representatives of many of the former Eastern block countries. Having sent a man to space is a matter of national pride and for the Russians it's easy (and cheap) way to honor their allies and cement their relations with them. The US resents the legitimacy that such an action will give the Iranian regime and the propaganda that it will generate. I don't think anyone will object having Iranian cosmonaut if not for those 2 reasons.

  17. Re:Stop these stories by ventsyv · · Score: 2

    Oil prices are very volatile. I think it's foolish to assume that they'll stay at $30 per barrel indefinately. Most likely in 2, 3 years they'll be much higher.

  18. Sounds like good news really by DarthVain · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm sure we all remember the hilarious Iran Photoshop of their missile program. Having Iran dependent on Russia for satellite launches means they have one less reason to try to advance their own rocketry science. If all it takes is a token Iranian photo-op on the ISS then that is a pretty cheap win. With oil in the toilet Russia could probably use the currency also, and a stable Russia is probably a good thing.

  19. Re:And the bad news? by sycodon · · Score: 1

    Ha!

    Which fucking way will he point when he prays?

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  20. Re:Stop these stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Russia's GDP is on par with Italy's and that was before the price of oil dropped below $80 bbl. Between economic sanctions and the price of oil Russia cannot even afford to invest in expanding any of their exports.

  21. Re:And the bad news? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Iran? Oh no, sorry. Suicide bombers are more a forte of Saudi Arabia. You know? The only country on the planet that still has no real name other than "The place that the Family Saud owns"? The dictatorship we call an ally?

    Yes. That one.

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  22. Re:Obama's foreign policy by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Yeah. "Monkey boy" is a title we only give the people we deeply respect.

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  23. We know this is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We know that Iran will use this space program for a sinister purpose. Iran has a history of being a country with an aggressive foreign policy, trumped-up pretext for foreign invasions, tonnes of WMD's, and intimidation of any place that does not agree to their policy decisions. It is known they are mass murderers. Name me one aggressive foreign policy, false pretext for war or WMD that America has. None. We can't trust those foreigners.

  24. Re:Stop these stories by sconeu · · Score: 1

    It would have been better if you'd run a story about the Russian ruble. It's dying.

    I won't believe that until Netcraft confirms it.

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  25. Re:Stop these stories by levcardy · · Score: 1

    expensive imported goods are forced to find a replacement

  26. Re:And the bad news? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

    Iran? Oh no, sorry. Suicide bombers are more a forte of Saudi Arabia.

    Well, they might send one of their proxy terrorist buddies, like Hezbollah....

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  27. Eurasia project by Max_W · · Score: 1

    In my opinion, an alliance between Russia, Iran, China, India, Vietnam, etc. will define the future. Iran is the ancient civilization. Many concepts and inventions, which we use daily nowadays, were created by the human genius in the ancient Persia.

    In comparison, the EU project, or even the US project, have got a serious weakness, - littleness. Eurasia has got 54 million square kilometers of territory, 5 billion population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Firstly a modern railway network connecting the whole Eurasia, Americas, Africa should be built. Thousands of tunnels, bridges, etc. It will be the work for millions. But for this there should be a leadership in the world. The problem with current leadership is again - the littleness.

    I think it is a good idea to cooperate with Iran in space and in other domains.

  28. everyday non-news about Russia by avgapon · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one sick and tired of almost everyday non-news about Russia? Russia may, Russia will, Russia is planning, Russia is going, Russia wants, etc. Or: a few decades ago Soviet Union did that thing! - well, not really, but planned, wanted, almost got there, etc. Things that actually happen in Russia or done by Russia are not that great these days (years). And certainly most of them are not quite /. material.

  29. Re:Obama's foreign policy by Curtman · · Score: 1

    What's Steve Ballmer got to do with this?

  30. Re: And the bad news? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    Your assumption [that he's ignorant rather than just clowning around] is unimpressive.

  31. Re:And the bad news? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

    If you count proxies, there's really no debating that the USA has funded more terrorist organizations, whether you think it's justified or not. Of course the CIA is more discreet, but they eventually declassify it.

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  32. Re: And the bad news? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Citation, please. Personally, I doubt that you have anything real.

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  33. Re: Obama's foreign policy by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Citation, please. Do not get me wrong, but you constantly lie. So back up your stuff with polls from outside of America and not ran by Murdock, that proves it.

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  34. Re:As long as... by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

    Russia does too - the TP-82

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  35. Re:And the bad news? by lhowaf · · Score: 1

    No problem. Trump is going to build a wall around the ISS and make the Iranians pay for it.

  36. Re:And the bad news? by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    First Iranian in space?

    Hmm.....First suicide bomber in space?

    Shia muslims don't do that stuff. It's an exclusively Sunni muslim thing. Whenever you hear of a mosque that was bombed, it was a Shia mosque, and the bomber was sunni.

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  37. Re: And the bad news? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 3, Insightful
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  38. Re: And the bad news? by dave420 · · Score: 1

    There you go - terrorists, drug cartel founders, dictators. Take your pick.

  39. Re:And the bad news? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

    Shia muslims don't do that stuff. It's an exclusively Sunni muslim thing. Whenever you hear of a mosque that was bombed, it was a Shia mosque, and the bomber was sunni.

    You know...in the middle east over there, all the muslims are pretty much well ALL fucked in the head....so, one joke covers them all pretty much. And how do you know the difference looking at them between the two?

    Do they wear different hats or something? Or, do you not know till they blow up?

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