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Scientists Have Discovered How To 'Delete' Unwanted Memories (telegraph.co.uk)

A new documentary from PBS reveals how cutting edge science enables us to 'edit' memories and create new ones from scratch. "For much of human history, memory has been seen as a tape recorder that faithfully registers information and replays it intact," say the film's makers. "But now, researchers are discovering that memory is far more malleable, always being written and rewritten, not just by us but by others. We are discovering the precise mechanisms that can explain and even control our memories."

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  1. Paging Dr. Tyrell by dwywit · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh, and his niece Rachel.

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    1. Re:Paging Dr. Tyrell by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Funny

      Bzzzzzzt---wrong film. And therefore not even remotely funny.

      You should be paging Dr Edgemar.

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    2. Re:Paging Dr. Tyrell by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Those quacks?!!! When I have memories that need removal, I page Dr. Mierzwiak!

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    3. Re:Paging Dr. Tyrell by KGIII · · Score: 2

      If you want to watch the documentary, here it is:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      It's kind of interesting. It's not one of my favorites but there's the link for those who want to see it. If you've got an hour to burn and want to learn about it, have at it. I like NOVA and this one is fine, still not one of my favorites.

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    4. Re:Paging Dr. Tyrell by michelcolman · · Score: 2

      Maybe his memory is not what it used to be.

    5. Re:Paging Dr. Tyrell by AbRASiON · · Score: 1
    6. Re:Paging Dr. Tyrell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      and I for one, page dr .... oh, what was his name?

    7. Re:Paging Dr. Tyrell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bzzzzzzt---wrong film. And therefore not even remotely funny.

      You should be paging Dr Edgemar.

      Except no? "Paging Dr. Tyrell" is spot on, unless of course you don't understand the reference.

    8. Re:Paging Dr. Tyrell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Implanting memories in an android != implanting memories in a human.

    9. Re: Paging Dr. Tyrell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Replicants are not androids but synthetic humans. Flesh and blood, that's why they were "more human than human".

    10. Re:Paging Dr. Tyrell by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      In one of these films, memory implantation is mentioned tangentially. In the other, it's central to the plot.

      Can you tell which is which?

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    11. Re:Paging Dr. Tyrell by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Yep...best movie ever!

    12. Re:Paging Dr. Tyrell by doccus · · Score: 1

      Does it actually say we are now actually able to erase and rewrite memories, or that we are only *learnng* how memory really works, . because if they said they can now rewrite memories I don't recall it being mentioned in the show (pun not intended). Of course we have known how to excise memory for a long time even hundreds of years.. if somewhat crudely, via treppanning (!), or more recently via frontal lobotomy (All sing together now "I'd rather have a bottle.....").
      So the only new development would be being able to rewrite memories, since we have known for quite some time the human brain does not work like a "tape recorder".. Actually, I would say it works more like a digital backup system...

    13. Re:Paging Dr. Tyrell by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I only watched it once but it doesn't really say that they can be rewritten as far as I recollect. They can implant, they can delete, and they can sort of see the physiology of a memory being formed, accessed, and things like that. It's not bad, as far as documentaries go, but it's certainly not as detailed as I'd like. All I watch is documentaries - at least for the most part.

      But, we can erase them. It's a bit neat. They're able to invoke the memory (through standard means) and they they drug you. The drug prevents new memories from being written. So, when you access a memory - you rewrite it and it appears that the old one is deleted in the process. (No stateful or incremental backups, defrag, or journaling file systems.) So, the new memory can't be saved and you forget because you can't save it.

      I am not, by any means, a brain surgeon. I do just watch documentaries but it's an entertainment process and not a scholastic pursuit. I do not approach it as an academic struggle but as a way to enjoy myself and, hopefully, learn something. Anything learned and retained is incidental. As such, I encourage you to spend the hours and give it a view - you can even play it in the background which is often how I do it.

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  2. Of course this should be possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My understanding is that when a person remembers something, the record of that memory is destroyed and then rewritten in the brain. However, there is at least one drug that can prevent the creation of memories in the brain. It's always seemed logical that, under the influence of such a drug, accessing a memory should also cause that memory to effectively be erased.

    1. Re:Of course this should be possible by adolf · · Score: 1

      I keep trying that, but it only seems to work on keeping new memories from being stored, and has nothing to do with erasing old ones.

    2. Re:Of course this should be possible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uh, no... did you watch the whole show? Has to do with old memories. The act of remembering a memory re-stores the memory. If you interrupt the re-storing process, the memory...dies.

    3. Re:Of course this should be possible by hucker75 · · Score: 1

      That cannot be true. For example my neighbour had a stroke and cannot record new memories. He can't remember what I told him half an our ago. But when he remembers something from his past, that memory is not gone for good, so it cannot be erased like you say.

    4. Re:Of course this should be possible by doccus · · Score: 1

      I would think the memory is erased via overwriting.. therefore accessing a memory woulfdn't cause it's erqasure. Were it not so we would be vegetables from birth. Lots of common anxiolytics can prevent the formation of new memories, leading one to suspect that GABA is integral towards the formation of memory. since it is also GABA (Gamma Amino Butyric Acid) that is displaced by these drugs to (presumably) exert their calming action ...
      Of course this is what I learned 35 years ago so maybe they know a whole lot more about this field by now...

  3. Mitigation by mentil · · Score: 2

    Time to invest in Ray-Ban.

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    1. Re:Mitigation by Barny · · Score: 2

      You mean luxottica?

      Ray Ban has been nothing but a brand name for quite a few years now. In fact, Luxottica owns damn near all sunglasses brands.

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  4. Before We Go All "This is Great!"... by sehlat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1: Does it require the subject's cooperation to erase the memories? 2: Can they be retrieved by some means later, if necessary?

    If the answer to these questions is "No." Consider the following scenarios:

    1. An accused criminal gets the key witnesses in the case wiped before the trial.

    2. Cops "forcefully interrogate" a suspect, and when the suspect turns out to be innocent, wipe the victim's memories of their treatment.

    And those are just Abuse 101.

    1. Re:Before We Go All "This is Great!"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As far as I can tell, the entire thing is just theory of what they want to do, not that they have the ability or understanding of how to do it.

      The article has about as much science as the Discovery channel.

    2. Re:Before We Go All "This is Great!"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ... 1. An accused criminal gets the key witnesses in the case wiped before the trial.

      A politician or CEO has his own memory of crooked deals, wiped.
      Rape victims or pedophile victims get their memories of their abuse and torture, wiped.

      Leaving aside the amount of technology required, there will be a large black market for this. It may create an industry of deleting every unpleasant memory, leaving only the memories of adulation, success and narcissism. Will that have long-term consequences? Memories were deleted in the movie Frozen (2013) without consequence. In ST: TOS, Kirk claims the pain provided by our memories define a lot of our behaviours. With that pain gone, will a person commit those mistakes again?

    3. Re:Before We Go All "This is Great!"... by Xest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More to the point, I'm wondering if there's any actual science here. A Torygraph news article referencing a PBS documentary doesn't exactly scream "science" to me. We're basically hearing it from a tertiary source.

      So does anyone have a link to the actual research and the primary source behind this?

    4. Re:Before We Go All "This is Great!"... by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Informative

      So I watched the documentary...

      1: Does it require the subject's cooperation to erase the memories?

      Yes. Fundamentally, when you recall a memory (including phobias), the act of recalling it leaves the memory in a chemically vulnerable state as it has to be "re-written" when you're done. It's not like computer storage where you can read the same data over and over without fear of tampering with the original content. In the brain, all memories being recalled get modified at some level.

      Basically, the phobia is recalled by the subject. He or she takes a pill that will block the re-writing of the memory process. After several sessions, the phobia is severally diminished if not outright eliminated. I would imagine this technique could condition the perfect soldier to not fear the battlefield. A true "disposable hero".

      2: Can they be retrieved by some means later, if necessary?

      I don't think so. Once the memory has been modified, that's it. I doubt there (but do not know) equivalent of shadow copies of pathways like a hard drive has a shadow copy of data per the filesystem.

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    5. Re:Before We Go All "This is Great!"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As far as creating memories False Memory has been studied heavily in the 1970's, and was noted as far back as Freud (and possibly earlier).

      The famous court case Ramona v. Isabella eventually vindicated Gary Romona, who's daughter, Holly Romona, still believes was raped due to an implanted memories involving therapist Marche Isabella, Dr. Richard Rose, chief of psychiatry at Western Medical Center in Anaheim, and the Anaheim hospital. Basically the therapists / medical staff were so zealous to get to the truth, they assisted in fabricating it. Considering how hard it is to prove an accusor's memory wrong in court, it seems that a conviction against the medical staff is proof Gary was not sexually abusing Holly over years. Unfortunately for Holly, the fabrication is now real (in her eyes), and while Gary is in the right, he has lost his job, his wife and his relationship with his children over the matter.

      Many people remember things slightly wrong, and we use our past experiences to fall back on; but, memories can be crated out of nothing but suggestion to the point of attributing the suggestion's origin for a real one.

    6. Re:Before We Go All "This is Great!"... by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A total memory wipe and replacement is basically the same as killing you. Yes your body is still alive but what makes you "you" is your memories, your life.

    7. Re:Before We Go All "This is Great!"... by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      "The article has about as much science as the Discovery channel"

      Indeed

      Enhance, delete, incept: Manipulating hippocampus-dependent memories : "whether science is able to one day “catch up” to science fiction remains to be seen"

      From: http://www.sciencedirect.com/s...

    8. Re:Before We Go All "This is Great!"... by hey! · · Score: 1

      1. An accused criminal gets the key witnesses in the case wiped before the trial.

      More easy and likely for the cops to plant false memories. In fact I'd say trivially easy, and combined with the unwarranted faith people have in human memory as some kind of infallible recording device, very effective I'd say at getting the desired result.

      If you've been following the science of this topic, the idea that memories an somehow be destroyed is not particularly surprising; the only problem I have with is the term "wiped", which implies that memories are faithful recordings to begin with. Memory and imagination are intimately connected; in most cases when we recall a memory, unless it is highly traumatic most of the detail we put into that picture is imagined. While it is clear *something* is stored and retrieved, most of what we experience in a memory is made up on the fly, and that stuff gets incorporated into the pre-existing memory. As one neuroscientist I read put it, the best way to keep a person's memory of an event accurate is to put that person in a coma so he can't recall it. And if you think about it from an evolutionary standpoint this kind of unreliable memory gets the job of imprinting survival promoting behaviors done by connecting two other pre-existing faculties -- vague associative memory and imagination. It doesn't require evolving the entirely novel memory architecture needed to store sensory experience exactly.

      So it's extremely easy to corrupt a memory; in fact memory corruption is a natural process. The difference between corruption and erasure is only a matter of degree.

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    9. Re:Before We Go All "This is Great!"... by werepants · · Score: 1

      A total memory wipe and replacement is basically the same as killing you. Yes your body is still alive but what makes you "you" is your memories, your life.

      Interesting contention, but I don't know that I agree. Certainly part of our identity is skills, habits, aptitudes, and preferences, all of which are at least in part decoupled from conscious memory. In fact, it might be possible that memory plays a pretty small part of the whole ensemble that is 'self'.

    10. Re:Before We Go All "This is Great!"... by Shadow+IT+Ninja · · Score: 1

      I watched the PBS documentary mentioned in the article and yes, it could be done without cooperation. The method described in the documentary involves administering a certain drug and then getting the subject to recall the memory which you want to erase. You would do that by showing the person an object, picture or something which would cause them to remember the experience you want to erase. The hypothesis/explanation for the phenomenon is that, each time you recall a memory, it has to be rewritten to be remembered again after that. The drug prevents the memories from being rewritten so all you have to do is remember something while under the influence of the drug and it's gone.

      The method of implanting false memories is more complicated and it involves talking to the person at length and using associations. It actually sounds a lot like neurolinguistic programming. They claimed that it worked on 70% of the subjects before they decided they had to end the experiment because of the ethics rules for human subjects research.

    11. Re:Before We Go All "This is Great!"... by Lotharus · · Score: 1

      It's not like computer storage where you can read the same data over and over without fear of tampering with the original content.

      I give you SDRAM, wherein the read operation does indeed damage the stored data, so that the memory controller has to immediately rewrite any row it reads (not to mention the constant general refreshes).

  5. Finally! by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please test it on goatse

    1. Re:Finally! by WallyL · · Score: 1

      Nope, his memory is still intact, unlike his...

    2. Re:Finally! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      It's like Alzheimers: you don't have to buy a new magazine because you can just read the same one over every day.

  6. Faithfully? by Knuckles · · Score: 5, Informative

    "For much of human history, memory has been seen as a tape recorder that faithfully registers information and replays it intact,"

    Um, no. It has been well known that memory is unreliable.

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    1. Re:Faithfully? by janimal · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Mod this up. Any lawyer will have had this in their first class on witnesses. Memories are known to be very unreliable.

      Years ago, I taught myself hypnosis, based on reading a book about it. One thing that struck me in that book was the statement that on a subconscious level, our brain cannot tell the difference between reality and fantasy. It is only our consciousness (the linear reasoning part) that filters the fantasy bits and supplies appropriate metadata. As any beginner hyptnotist will learn, consciousness is off much more often than we realize.

      From my own experiments, erasing someones memory of something while they are under is one of the best working mechanisms that become available to the hypnotist. When I told folks to forget my name and planted a different name in its place, the information persisted even past the session. I had to show my ID to convince the person that their memory of my name has been manipulated.

      The ethical implications of this mechanism are obvious. In fact, I haven't been able to proceed in my "studies" of the phenomenon precisely because I wasn't able to deal with using the mechanism without the subject's knowledge.

    2. Re:Faithfully? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      It has been well known that memory is unreliable.

      Unless you're misremembering that.

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    3. Re:Faithfully? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Yes, but juries haven't been told that.

    4. Re:Faithfully? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Yeah, just deprive yourself of sleep for about 3 days and you will start to explore this fine line between fantasy and reality. I have actually experienced waking dreams in this state, where I am interacting with both my own imaginings as well as people in the real world at the same time.

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    5. Re:Faithfully? by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 1

      Indeed, like in this episode of Brain Games.

    6. Re:Faithfully? by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

      When I'm nearly asleep, I have vivid recollections of past dreams to the point where I truly believe some things have happened in the past. Not only that, but often dreams build themselves on past dreams like a continuous universe.
      As soon as I'm awake I realize that it's all fake, and soon after that I forget all about it unless I really focus on it. It's fascinating, but I don't have much of a clue on how to explore it.

    7. Re: Faithfully? by janimal · · Score: 1

      Worse. There really is no fundamental difference between hypnosis and being 'awake'. Chew on that!

  7. Paywalled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Got a message demanding that I either pay their subscription or allow them to load adds on my machine. Ironic considering the subject of the article... Even more disheartening is that pbs's own site flat out displays a white page with an add blocker enabled.

    In any case here is a functioning link http://news.discovery.com/tech/biotechnology/neuro-hackers-create-delete-memories-160213.htm

    1. Re:Paywalled by Barny · · Score: 1

      Your computer already has adds. It even has multiple types. Your computer is perfectly happy doing both integer and floating point adds, as well you likely have a graphics subsystem that is VERY good at doing a lot of adds at the same time!

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  8. Let me guess.... by dohzer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does the method involve alcohol?

    1. Re:Let me guess.... by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 1

      Any decent brand of scotch will do that! -- Montgomery Scott

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    2. Re:Let me guess.... by thuyld81 · · Score: 1

      if it happen we can regulate our memories. So we can delete all our sad memories. We can live with fully fun! visit us at: http://www.ngonbore123.vn/

    3. Re:Let me guess.... by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 2

      I thought alcohol got rid of the memories that you wanted to keep and kept the ones that you wish you would go away.

    4. Re:Let me guess.... by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

      You don't really need to delete sad memories. You just need to realize they are just data in your brain.

  9. i know.. by adhdengineer · · Score: 1

    Whiskey. Isn't this it's primary purpose?

  10. Re:Amicusnycl gets TOTAL RECALL by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    APK: Now you can spell 'FAIL' with just 3 letters.

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  11. Re:Coren22 & Amicusnycl need to change diets by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Hi, Alex! Still sounding real good to you in the old echo chamber, I see.

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  12. Re:Unwanted Memories. by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Thanks for a new slashdot effect target! It's been a while since we've had a chance to sharpen our claws.

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  13. Some additional info by n0creativity · · Score: 1

    It's an old one (2007), but incredibly interesting and relevant to TFA... http://www.radiolab.org/story/... . The specifically cover a certain drug that they can give a person to prevent memories from forming as well as 'dulling' existing memories. It's fascinating to me, how so little we know about our own brain.

  14. I have a few things I'd like to remember by darthsilun · · Score: 1

    ...memory has been seen as a tape recorder that faithfully registers information and replays it intact,...

    My own experience would suggest otherwise.
    And there's plenty of evidence that most people – e.g., crime scene witnesses – do not remember things faithfully.

    Never the less, there are a few things I'd like to forget.

    1. Re:I have a few things I'd like to remember by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      by tape recording they mean vhs left in the car on a sunny day...

      I'm more interested in implanting information in bulk not the same as convincing someone they committed a crime. Seriously, why would you convince someone they committed a crime? This would be exceedingly dangerous.

  15. Full documentary link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Those that RTFA may be put off from being given only a preview to the PBS documentary. Here's a link to NOVA's website where one can watch the entire episode.

  16. Nice! by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    Create new memories?

    I need a couple of years Harvard Medical and Law to go, thanks.

    1. Re:Nice! by Zaelath · · Score: 1

      Hrmmm, does that mean we should implant law knowledge or a series of drunken sexual harassment encounters?

  17. Can it be used to treat PTSD? by maple_shaft · · Score: 2

    As someone diagnosed with PTSD from a traumatic event, I have been to different types of therapies and some of them work to an extent. In particular EMDR therapy seeks to address the problem by having the patient recall the traumatic memory while things are done to help diffuse the autonomous reaction from the amygdala part of the brain. The Amygdala is a primitive part of the brain that controls flight or fight. It uses a proto type of memory where stimuli that occur before trauma or an incredibly stressful event are hard wired into the amygdala, think of it like ROM memory. When similar stimuli occur it triggers the release of cortisol and adrenaline causing a panic or anxiety attack. This is why CBT therapy is so ineffective for treating PTSD and other anxiety disorders because the problem isn't cognitive in nature. It would be interesting if these methods could be used for other types of memory as well and finally work towards a more effective treatment for PTSD sufferers.

  18. Re:What was the name of that movie again ? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    Or the new movie with not Arnold Schwarzenegger.

  19. Re:Unwanted Memories. by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    Don't do it, all you're doing is increasing his visitors counter at the bottom. I bet he'll use that to show his boss/client that the website is successful.

  20. We Can Remember it for You Wholesale by ODBOL · · Score: 1

    This may be the first time I wanted to mod an anonymous coward up. I remember reading about this years ago in a Philip K. Dick short story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... I totally remember that story. What? Mike O'Donnell

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  21. Welcome to Paradox by BrendaEM · · Score: 1

    Welcome to Paradox had an excellent episode about removing memories: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt07...

    Personally, I don't think it's a good thing because so much of who we are is founded in our memories: good and bad. For many people with a dissociative disorder has this happen anyway. eg: Now, how did I get here.

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  22. Re:Unwanted Memories. by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Can't show the boss shit when your website is down and remains down.

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  23. Old News by Udom · · Score: 1

    It's very old news. In the 1890s criminologist Count Franz von Liszt, (cousin of the composer), made a practice of staging disruptions at his lectures involving actors fighting, sometimes firing a gun. Even forewarned, students gave wildly differing accounts of events in summaries they wrote afterwards. Many experiments since have demonstrated the same results. What is stored in memory is the gist of events. Details are supplied on the fly during recall. We still place a high value on eye witness testimony at trials, which has led to the imprisonment and execution of many innocent people.

  24. Sign me up! by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    Very cool, just like in Vanilla Sky and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

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  25. Re:Unwanted Memories. by JazzLad · · Score: 1

    Total Visitor 004902

    Slashdot affect not what it used to be ...

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  26. Tazer use for "questioning" by Lost+Penguin · · Score: 1

    Just keep tazoring them when they answer what you do not want....

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  27. There's a Hillary Clinton joke in here somewhere.. by Bartles · · Score: 1

    ...what I said in the subject line.

  28. Memory safety ??? by yusing · · Score: 1

    It's possible that, as a side effect, memories may be removed that are valuable. Suppose you've 'forgotten' many things ... exactly how can you verify that without trying to access all of them? How would you go about systematically checking them?

    I've never heard of any test or method that can detect lost information ... let alone the quantity, clarity, intensity involved. Clearly some parts of our educations fade naturally, possibly due to limited or no accesses. But we have experience and specific details that are very valuable. There is no quantitive measure of loss.

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  29. We need better science reporting... by notil · · Score: 1

    Holy smokes. This is bad. Memory gets a lot of attention because it's sexy and everyone has them and they are obviously incredibly clinically relevant (PTSD, alzheimers, etc.), but I think when anybody can do a FRACTION of what this is alluding to...we will have heard about it before PBS releases this truly groundbreaking and exciting news in a special called "Memory Hackers"...The Telegraph isn't doing itself any favors with this bullshit either.

  30. Re:Unwanted Memories. by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Or that server runs from a home connection while linked to the cloud. Live businesses are rather prone to this, cloud or not. If the primary server can't take the live load, it's over.

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  31. Re:Unwanted Memories. by JazzLad · · Score: 1

    Yeah, no, I got that - I meant the power of the mighty /. affect was a mere 4902 clicks (assuming 100% of all traffic came from us). [We both have] been around long enough to remember when it was a real thing, 5k clicks ain't it :)

    For giggles, I checked again - 50 more clicks in the past 24 hours. Ah, well, the new owners seem better than DHI, at least.

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