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'The Room Had Started To Smell. Really Quite Bad': Stephen Fry Exits Twitter (betanews.com)

Mark Wilson writes: For a man so readily associated with words — and certainly for a wordsmith so enamored with technology — Twitter seems like something of a natural home for Stephen Fry. Over the years he has amassed hundreds of thousands of followers, but last night he closed his account. Fry's latest exit from Twitter (there have been several over the last few years for numerous reasons) came about because of the backlash he received for making a joke at an award ceremony. Hosting the BATFAs (British Academy of Film and Television Arts) on Sunday, he referred to costume designer and award winner (and, indeed, friend) Jenny Beavan as being 'dressed as a bag lady'. 'Offended' Twitter users attacked Fry in their droves, and he fought a valiant battle, before eventually giving up and terminating his account. It comes just days after Twitter set up a new Trust & Safety Council.

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  1. These people don't stop existing, though by gnaarly · · Score: 5, Informative

    Closing your account stops them from tweeting at you. But they are still out there.

    1. Re:These people don't stop existing, though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So? They were their before, but it was web forums, email mailing lists, newgroups et al. Life if full of cunts, twats, and fucking morons. Social media merely gives these tossers a global voice. Ignore them.

    2. Re:These people don't stop existing, though by barc0001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But you can also never reason with them. One of the reasons I don't use social media is I don't feel like engaging with random idiots who are either some tenuous friend of a friend coworker's cousin by marriage 14 places removed or complete strangers who just happened on a comment. Dealing with that crap can sometimes be draining even if you're only reading their comment and then completely ignoring it afterward. It takes up mental cycles no matter what, and when some of these people are trying to get a deliberate rise out of you, you occasionally feel a stab of wanting to respond to the provocation.

      Much easier to not be in that situation to begin with. For me the "ups" of being on social media and engaging with friends is outweighed by the potential for conflict with random clowns. Plus I find a lot of people on social media overshare waaaaaay too much.

    3. Re:These people don't stop existing, though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      These people don't stop existing, though

      Well, in a way they do.

      "If you don't like the jokes stay out of the comedy clubs... If you don't like criticism stop googling yourself every 10 seconds." (Louis C.K. on The Daily Show, July 16th, 2012)

      By leaving Twitter he's no longer giving those people his ear. They don't matter to him anymore, they stop existing to him.

    4. Re:These people don't stop existing, though by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Twitter might end up looking like nothing more than a place where whiners go to whine

      I doubt it. Even Twitter's management isn't stupid enough to position themselves as a direct competitor to Facebook.

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    5. Re:These people don't stop existing, though by spire3661 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The context is different. Our idiots are less random, and are more easily dismissed due to our focus on a particular subset of life. If you say stupid shit here, it gets culled or refuted and then buried pretty quickly.The true obvious trolls on Slashdot are easy to ignore. (APK, GNAA posters etc)

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    6. Re:These people don't stop existing, though by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Surely it's just as stressful dealing with all the contrarianism here.

      No it isn't.

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    7. Re:These people don't stop existing, though by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well this is a whole new breed of cunt. The previous generation of cunts would call you dirty names and shit, however the new generation of cunts call themselves "politically correct" and will use clean sounding but still inappropriately placed words like "racist" "bigot" "misogynist" "homophobe" or label you as one who uses "hate speech", even when none of these terms apply to you in any way possible. In other words, the old cunts were hecklers, the new cunts are self-righteous assholes.

      In fact, here's a video of what it's like to be assaulted by a hoard of these cunts:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    8. Re:These people don't stop existing, though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes it is.

    9. Re:These people don't stop existing, though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wish it were as easy as ignoring them. These kinds of mobs are now driving policy and causing the concept of free speech to be rolled back on what is now a rather significant swath of communication on the internet.

    10. Re:These people don't stop existing, though by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Funny

      No it isn't!

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    11. Re:These people don't stop existing, though by JustOK · · Score: 4, Funny

      it *might* be. Further govt funding is needed...to uh, well, funding is needed, study, things, money. needed.

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    12. Re:These people don't stop existing, though by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's astoundingly gentle and well behaved. this is more representative of the level of violence disguised as victimhood you can expect from these people.

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    13. Re:These people don't stop existing, though by myowntrueself · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I love how an AC came out of the woodwork to illustrate my point.

      I very rarely post as AC. My point is just that slashdot is not particularly hostile and if you think it is then your experience outside of slashdot must be pretty limited.

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    14. Re:These people don't stop existing, though by brantondaveperson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So wait - he closed his twitter account, and that makes him an attention whore?

      Dammed if you do, and dammed if you don't, I guess. He does have a good point though, Twitter genuinely is a waste of technology. I defy anyone to point to anything even halfway interesting or significant that has ever been posted on that site.

    15. Re:These people don't stop existing, though by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't have a Snapchat account. I don't have a fucking clue about what goes on over there. Those people don't exist in my world.

      Same here. No twitter, no snapchat, no instagram, and no facebook. And I haven't missed anything by not using them except a lot of angst and jealousy and posturing.

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    16. Re:These people don't stop existing, though by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why do you think that people are not entitled to their opinion? The irony is that you complain about 'political correctness' while complaining viciously about 'other people's language'. I can only come to the conclusion that they aren't 'politically correct' for your tastes

      In reality, what you seem to think are earnest 'self righteous' (let me use the word you almost said) 'Social Justice Warriors', are simply a new version of trolls.

      They're welcome to their opinion. Though their viewpoints end when they decide that their version of letting other speak, doesn't exist. The thing is, they're not trolls. They see themselves as "doing the right thing" or "the right side of history." You'll find that many of those SJW's subscribe to the "no bad tactics, only targets" theory of doing things. And would rather shut down any speech that's contrary to their narrow viewpoint on the world. See the university protests for example, or pulling fire alarms to stop people from speaking, or the most recent examples of no-platforming BS with Rutgers with Milo Yiannopoulos. Or Dawkins, Peter Tatchell, or Julie Bindel and so on. That's only a small sampling of the BS going on. And all the while, they're engaging in overt racism, such as safe spaces...for anyone but those whites or asians. Any place except for those hetrosexuals...or gays that don't do what we tell them, and so on. That moves them from trolls right into authoritarians.

        People just see the writing on the wall with Twitter, the second they put a bunch of groups in place that have a history of shutting down speech because it hurts their feelings, or the feelings of other people it was enough. Especially groups that believe that dissenting viewpoints are harassment like Feminist Frequency.

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  2. The ironic thing here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The ironic thing here is that it's very unlikely that Twitter's "Trust and Safety Council" would have sided with Stephen Fry. Remember, he insulted a Protected Class of individual, and it's therefore just as likely that he would have been banned for his remarks. He pissed off SJWs and couldn't deal with the fallout, which I can completely understand. SJWs are nasty individuals who will never stop harassing people in their supposed crusade against harassment.

    Still, this is just yet another example of what we all know: Twitter is pretty much just a platform for anonymously trolling famous people. Once it finally fails (and it's circling the drain, the Trust and Safety Council is just one example), the world will be a better place.

  3. Re:Who's Steven Fry? by JustOK · · Score: 5, Funny

    He's the guy from Futurama

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  4. Look at the pictures by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 4, Insightful

    She was dressed pretty meh for a costume designer.

  5. Listen to George by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

  6. Re:Twitter, like the internet, is the mirror by rbrander · · Score: 3, Insightful

    More like they are 10% not - but 10 cutting words can do more harm than a hundred "Oh don't listen to that jerk" hugs can repair. So it's not that humans aren't good, it's that enough of them are bad to make groups bad unless policed by good people. Twitter has no police. Every large group with no police becomes toxic, either physically or emotionally.

  7. DNA by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

    BATFAs (British Academy of Film and Television Arts)

    Brought to you by DNA (National Dyslexics Association).

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  8. Will Twitter's destruction wake anyone up? by Kohath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As the politically correct SJW crybullies slowly destroy Twitter, it will be interesting to see if Silicon Valley's shallow cultural leftist elite finally wake up and start pushing back. A lot of them like Twitter and some of them invested money in it.

    The media like Twitter too, but the media are unreformable; a lost cause in every way.

    1. Re:Will Twitter's destruction wake anyone up? by Kohath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And... you didn't answer the question. It was a really simple question. You object to the term. What's a better term?

    2. Re:Will Twitter's destruction wake anyone up? by Kohath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Person is way too specific. How about "unit"? Henceforth, all nouns will be replaced by the word "unit" to avoid offending all the units on the unit's unit.

      The unit has spoken! Units would be wise to heed this unit.

    3. Re:Will Twitter's destruction wake anyone up? by Kohath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Commienazipaedoterroristboogiemanfluoridator.

      SJW is easier to spell.

      What do *you* mean when you use it?

      People who take offense (assume a posture of being offended) aggressively, as a means to exert control over others. Usually the offense is taken on behalf of some set of people who organize with leftists based on some real or imagined grievance.

      Since controlling others is the goal, any discussion that isn't some sort of agreement to being controlled is considered Irrelevant at best. And at worst, discussion is considered an existential threat or sometimes even a direct injury, depending on whatever maximizes the ability to exert control over others.

      Most people understand the term SJW fairly well when it is used in context. It's not surprising that SJWs take offense to it.

    4. Re:Will Twitter's destruction wake anyone up? by ooloorie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      SJW means person on the internet with whom I Disagree.

      No, "SJW" means someone who has made social justice their cause. The term "social justice warrior" started out as a positive self-identification. It acquired its negative connotations because of the way social justice activists behaved while wearing that moniker.

      Of course, the part that is really offensive about "social justice" and its activists is their misuse of the term "justice"; what they are advocating isn't "justice", it is oppression and totalitarian government, often driven by selfish motives.

      Rather than debate the meaning and origin of the term "SJW", it's easier just to call these people "social justice activists" and then call out their hypocrisy and condemn them and their activism.

  9. This is why Twitter is "write only" for me by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work in a job where (as a "thought leader") I'm supposed to tweet regularly, but I never, ever find time to read anything from Twitter. It's a write-only assignment as far as I'm concerned - it could be /dev/null for all I know or care.

    I'll bet there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of people like me out there too, all dumping regularly scheduled 140-character tweets into a space probably half populated with advertiser's bots using keyword-based algorithm to retweet, favorite and react to my stuff, all for the benefit of even more robots.

    1. Re:This is why Twitter is "write only" for me by cardpuncher · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wouldn't worry about Twitter, I'd be more concerned about having a job description of "thought leader". That's just a pink slip waiting to happen.

  10. Re:No one bothered to define "bag lady"? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 3, Informative

    A stereotypical homeless woman who wanders around the streets with bags of "stuff" she has collected, frequently recovered from garbage cans. The bags are frequently piled high in shopping carts, with other bags being held in a free hand and often even attached to her back. When the police crackdown on the homeless these women can be seen obsessively gathering up their bags and hauling them off to some other place. It's a real thing if you spent any time in a big city like New York. (Often in this case, the bags are full of recyclable cans and bottles, which return $.05/unit returned at recycling centers...or did 10 years ago when I lived there)

    It's probably rude in polite company to use this term about an actual bag lady, it's ruder still to apply this to someone's appearance. But in the past one can be rude and crude and you simply ignored and avoided him. Now it seems as if a portion of the population feels empowered to make their own random comments based largely on ignorance and a misguided sense of judgement via Twitter. Turn-about is fair play I guess, but whatever happened to "taking the high road"?

  11. Re:Twitter, like the internet, is the mirror by spire3661 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Humans ARE fundamentally good. The good outweighs the bad by a huge margin or there wouldnt be 7 billion of us. That doesnt mean that the good can 100% suppress the bad. We are still part beast, and are often driven by base animalistic desires. Until we admit that, there will be little progress in this area.

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  12. Re:Who's Steven Fry? by FFOMelchior · · Score: 3, Informative

    He's a delightful person, much beloved in the UK, but definitely not as known in the US. He's known for being 1/2 of the comedy sketch duo "Fry & Laurie" (Laurie being Hugh Laurie, aka Gregory House, M.D.) and for being the current host of the British program Q.I.

  13. Re:Who's Steven Fry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I thought I read that statistically Poles were smarter than the rest of Europe. Marie Curie, those guys that broke the Enigma before the war started, and so on.

    My uncle was tending bar at one point in Chicago when a friend of his walked in. "John! I just heard the best joke ever! You have to hear this, it's great! So this Polack is trying to buy a watermelon, right? And—"
    "Hey buddy, what's the big idea? Don't you know I'm Polish?"
    "Oh! I'm so sorry! I had no idea. Okay, I'll tell it slow..."

  14. Hopefully a trend by wjcofkc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am no social media guru, but I am seeing a slow trend toward abandoning social media. I myself eradicated my facebook account several years ago. Why? So much endless bullshit and a total waste of time. From there I migrated to a young, sparsely populated Google+. It was good for awhile. A few weeks ago I deleted my G+ account. Why? So much bullshit and a total waste of time. Never had a twitter account and never will. I will admit that I am as of recently on Diaspora, and while I have reservations of it turning into so much shit, it is actually pretty easy to tune out what you don't want and most people only post casually and not so frequently since there is no model for a popularity contest in place. It's decentralized, federated model is pretty unique to. Yet I suspect that at some time in the future I will abandon it over... so much bullshit. I know a lot of people from many walks of life who, reluctantly, dropped social media. I know the likes of Facebook and Twitter have massive user bases, but it is a start and the citizens of the internet like trends. Social media is a blight on human civilization, I can only hope that at some point it will in fact come to an end.

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  15. The best use of twitter by tgibson · · Score: 3, Informative

    Stealth Mountain is a Twitter bot that tersely informs Twitter users when they mistakenly write “sneak peak": @___ I think you mean sneak peek.

    The enraged, frothing responses confirm that this is an exemplar of how Twitter should be used.

  16. Re:No one bothered to define "bag lady"? by Cederic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think you'll find Stephen Fry is fully aware of the stereotypical homeless woman described as a bag lady.

    Using the term to be rude about someone's description could be nasty, or it could be a joke. It could be both.

    In context it was clearly a joke, especially given its reference to her profession.

    Turnabout is not fair play. If they'd mocked Fry for his clothing it would have been misplaced (given what he wears when presenting QI, quite apart from anything else) but fair game. Harassing him for making a funny joke? Fuck that.

  17. SJW Tyranny at its finest by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The tyranny of the terminally offended special snowflakes....

    Seriously, you could tweet "I like kittens" and you would probably get 1000 SJWs berating you for triggering them or appropriating "animal culture" or contributing to the objectification of animals.

    The fact that a guy like Stephen Fry up and left the festering cesspool known as twitter gives me hope for the human race.

    He's a hell of a nice guy, yet that was no defense against the perpetually offended crybullies that infest twitter.

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  18. Trust and safety council? by dudpixel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was of the understanding that the Trust and Safety Council was specifically invented to protect the "offended" crowd.

    These people seem to turn "being offended" into a profession.

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