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Original 1977 Star Wars 35mm Print Has Been Restored and Released Online (arstechnica.com)

AmiMoJo writes: A restored HD version of the original Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope 35mm print has appeared online. While this isn't the first time that attempts have been made to restore Star Wars to its original theatrical version—that's the one without the much-maligned CGI effects and edits of later 'special' editions—it is the first to have been based entirely on a single 35mm print of the film, rather than cut together from various sources. The group behind the release, dubbed Team Negative 1, is made up of Star Wars fans and enthusiasts who spent thousands of dollars of their own cash to restore the film without the blessing of creator George Lucus, or franchise owner Disney.

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  1. The other 2 by Kyokugenryu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here's hoping they can do this with Empire and Jedi, too.

    1. Re:The other 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I happen to have a set of all 3 movies on 12-inch LaserDisc, still sealed in their original wrappers. Plus another set I've watched a few times. I don't know how close they are to the original theatrical versions, but I do know that at one point a LaserDisc version of one of the movies was used as a basis for some of those much-maligned edits Lucas made....

    2. Re:The other 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The LaserDisc version is the remastered version. It doesn't have all the Special Ed. edits, but it does have a few. DVD versions of the LD release have been available for a long time on torrent sites.

    3. Re:The other 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Team Negative1 already restored Empire.

      I'll just leave this hash here. DD223714FD189FD8171EBC12BE9A03635D621DF3

      Jedi is still missing.

    4. Re:The other 2 by malditaenvidia · · Score: 2

      Jedi is still missing.

      Perhaps it's for the best. Who doesn't love the awesome Jedi Rocks! music video, ewoks blinking, Vader yelling NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo while throwing Sheev down the bottomless pit, Jar-Jar yelling "wessa free!" at the end, or Hayden Christiansen being edited in as a force ghost? George Lucas clearly knew what he was doing while re-mastering, re-imagining and re-editing this masterpiece. Bravo, George!

    5. Re:The other 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jedi is still missing.

      They can keep it. Fucking Ewoks were the beginning of the end.

    6. Re:The other 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The" LaserDisc Version? I have three of the versions myself, but I don't know how many LaserDisc versions there are in total.

    7. Re:The other 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not the 'final' release but close to it. Call it beta. Silver Screen Edition will be comming soon.

    8. Re:The other 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget Blade Runner.
      I prefer the original theatrical release with Ford's monotone narration.

      Sometimes directors need intervention. (Always if they're George Lucas or Peter Jackson)

    9. Re:The other 2 by TWX · · Score: 1

      I have a Laserdisc set too, The problem is that because its a 2.35:1 image matted onto a 4:3 frame, the actual content uses a pathetically small number of rows. I had done the math and it was something like 200 rows out of the ~480 because of the letterboxing.

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    10. Re:The other 2 by TWX · · Score: 1

      Im still waiting for the remastered Ewok movies and the remastered Holiday Special.

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    11. Re:The other 2 by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      At least you knew what the hell was going on, without the narration it's much more difficult to follow for people unfamiliar with the movie, like all of my friends.

    12. Re:The other 2 by TWX · · Score: 1

      That's commercially available. There was a box-set that had at least two versions of the film, including the original theatrical release and the stock footage of the mountains that was borrowed from The Shining.

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    13. Re:The other 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose one needs to pay attention to the copyright dates. My unopened LDs are mostly two-disc widescreen editions, all copyrighted 1995, so they probably have a number changes from the original theatrical versions. My opened LDs are older, almost certainly the first versions released on LaserDisc.

    14. Re:The other 2 by slashdice · · Score: 1

      even better would be if all the Endor scenes were damaged beyond repair!

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    15. Re: The other 2 by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Jefferson Starship rocks in the Holiday Special. It's worth watching even for those of us who don't really even like Star Wars very much.

    16. Re:The other 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that a real thing?

      Did they actually edit in Jar Jar to the original trilogy?

      Or are you just saying mean things because you're a mean person?

    17. Re:The other 2 by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 1

      I actually do want the Ewok adventures, but I am afraid that since they were made for TV they were probably film on tape in 4:3 interlaced video.

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    18. Re:The other 2 by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      The LaserDisc version is the remastered version. It doesn't have all the Special Ed. edits, but it does have a few.

      Eh? What Laserdisc version has any special edition bits? None that I'm aware of...

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    19. Re:The other 2 by kindbud · · Score: 1

      I have a HD box set with the original theatrical release, both released director's cuts and three film festival cuts.

      Unfortunately, it's HD-DVD. I can only play it with the external HD-DVD player attached to my Xbox360.

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    20. Re:The other 2 by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Jedi is still missing.

      And nothing of value was lost.

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    21. Re:The other 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just his voice. When they're going through all the planets celebrating the emperor's demise, they show Naboo for a bit, and you can hear Jar Jar yelling "Wessa free!".

    22. Re:The other 2 by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      "The" LaserDisc Version? I have three of the versions myself, but I don't know how many LaserDisc versions there are in total.

      I was going to say the same thing. My second laserdisc (the first was The Princess Bride) was a used (former rental) CAV copy of the original film. It was horrible. pan-and-scan, and from a dirty print. I later got the remastered version, but I remember there was another in between those.

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    23. Re:The other 2 by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I don't remember Jar-Jar himself. However there is a scene that seems to show Gungans dancing on a roof near the end as the camera flies over the city and everyone is celebrating. They're not up close so it's easy to miss but it's an obvious change to the original if you know when to look.

    24. Re:The other 2 by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      I have a Laserdisc set too, The problem is that because its a 2.35:1 image matted onto a 4:3 frame, the actual content uses a pathetically small number of rows. I had done the math and it was something like 200 rows out of the ~480 because of the letterboxing.

      You sure it wasn't anamorphic? Many letterbox laserdiscs were. Blade Runner, for instance. It still used a small number of lines on an NTSC TV, but had the potential for more detail if'n them there Hi Daffynition TVs ever took off. (But then, we went to component video which Laserdiscs didn't have, so we needed to re-buy the title in DVD anyway.)

      Historical footnote: Per my decades-old memory, there were two types of letterboxing on laserdiscs -- Hard Mat and Anamorphic. Hard Mat was an NTSC frame with black bars on the top and bottom. The content is hard-limited to about 200 rows as you said. Anamorphic means the film is stretched to use the entire NTSC frame, and then mashed down to its original aspect ratio on playback. In theory, a high end laserdisc player with a (expensive) line doubler playing a Criterion anamorphic laserdisc could almost approach... a $29.95 ... chinese dvd player playing ... you know, never mind. Things really have improved in the last couple decades.

      Anyway, only a hack would hard mat a major motion picture like Star Wars. But this is George Lucas we're a'talkin' about.

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    25. Re:The other 2 by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, I never saw the "NOOOOOOoooo" "wessa free!" version. I never intend to. My childhood has taken enough hits.

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    26. Re:The other 2 by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Blade Runner.
      I prefer the original theatrical release with Ford's monotone narration.

      Sometimes directors need intervention. (Always if they're George Lucas or Peter Jackson)

      I was ok with the narration, it helped us follow what was going on, but the theatrical ending sucked. Scott's original ending kicked ass. Sometimes I wish we could see the film we want to see. For instance, the original Star Wars with the additional "enhanced" Falcon scenes (which really did add to the flow) but no other "enhancements".

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    27. Re:The other 2 by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Interesting idea. If a cut was made that had no Endor scenes, or only the scenes where they capture the base, what would the movie be like?

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    28. Re:The other 2 by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      There's also Brazil. With the ending completely changed for American television against Terry Gilliams wishes, essentially given the Blade Runner treatment.

    29. Re:The other 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There were no anamorphic LaserDisc titles available in the US except for promotional purposes."

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaserDisc#Anamorphic_LaserDiscs

    30. Re:The other 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I happen to have a set of all 3 movies on 12-inch LaserDisc

      Seriously? Who the fuck wants to watch Star Wars in 480i?
      *barf*

    31. Re: The other 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is an LD box set of the full Special Edition trilogy, but that one has a big SPECIAL EDITION warning on it. Like you I am also in the dark about what the "somewhat special" remaster means.

    32. Re: The other 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm hoping that now that Star Wars is being run by Disney's love for money rather than Lucas' love for poor taste we will soon se an original trilogy packaged as a Nerd Edition on blu-ray. Surely Disney smells an opportunity to sell the same movies over and over in different versions, and the unbroken original seems like an obvious candidate.

    33. Re: The other 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So just buy the real movie on blu-ray instead of the children's version the Americans made. They're both available. Star Wars kind of stands out in the crowd since its dictator has tried to throw the good versions down the memory hole.

    34. Re:The other 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If all you care about is a pretty picture, then you must love the prequels.

    35. Re:The other 2 by rpstrong · · Score: 1

      Look for Harmy's version, it's probably what you want to see.

    36. Re:The other 2 by luciarowlands · · Score: 1

      Here you go. 49 star wars quizzes. You won't sleep much but tomorrow you'll be ready :P http://www.quizsumo.com/movies...

  2. A list of changes by LichtSpektren · · Score: 5, Informative

    This wikipedia article delineates what got changed between the 1977 release and all the re-releases: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    1. Re:A list of changes by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      The 2006 release DVD set "original edition" discs keep the original storyline intact. Wikipedia is replete with accurate criticisms of the image quality, etc., but I don't find any serious fault when casually watching it on an old 42" LCD-TV.

    2. Re:A list of changes by plopez · · Score: 4, Informative

      Han shot first! He was a scallawag, which is why the album version liner notes referred to the Millennium Falcon as a "Pirate Ship".

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    3. Re:A list of changes by operagost · · Score: 1

      It would be awesome if someone found one of the 70mm prints.

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    4. Re:A list of changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Han shot first!

      No, Han shot only. Greedo never fired at all in the original.

    5. Re:A list of changes by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      No they don't jackass. Empire Strikes Back has a different actor play the Emperor with different dialog. Return of the Jedi has Hayden Fucking Christiansen appear as Anakin at the end of the movie. Fuck off you moron.

    6. Re:A list of changes by inasity_rules · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow. You are way too emotionally invested in this.

      Be more like Spock..

      *Ducks and hides...

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    7. Re:A list of changes by 91degrees · · Score: 2

      They were a conversion from the laserdisc masters, weren't they.

      I agree, quality is pretty good, although it is limited to standard definition. And you do get all the limitations of both DVD format and Laserdisc format.

    8. Re:A list of changes by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude, calm the fuck down. You're being illogical, like Spock in Star Wars episode 12.

    9. Re:A list of changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      You'll either keep a civil tongue in that mouth or I'll cut it out and throw you right off of this Firefly into the Black. Step away from this table. Now.

    10. Re:A list of changes by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

      They were a conversion from the laserdisc masters, weren't they.

      This is my understanding, yes. As such, they are necessarily not HD, but should certainly be up to the best of what SD can do, short of separating out the luma/chroma channels.

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    11. Re:A list of changes by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

      Seriously, no doubt. That's about as good as it can get.

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    12. Re:A list of changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a big fucking pile of shit.

    13. Re:A list of changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's really pathetic that you had to make a bunch of AC responses, as if anyone else would give a shit that your little feelings were hurt. If you don't want someone calling you out for saying something stupid, stop saying stupid things.

    14. Re:A list of changes by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      If you don't want someone calling you out for saying something stupid, stop saying stupid things.

      I would urge you to heed your own advice here.

    15. Re:A list of changes by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      Just, wow... if you care this much you might care enough to know that the set has both editions, the one you detail, plus another that is much closer to the original theatrical release (basically a copy of the big laser disc edition).

      Good luck finding a 9 year old box set, tho.

    16. Re:A list of changes by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      They were a conversion from the laserdisc masters, weren't they.

      This is my understanding, yes. As such, they are necessarily not HD, but should certainly be up to the best of what SD can do, short of separating out the luma/chroma channels.

      That's what Wikipedia says, as I said: fine for casual watching, if you want to be fully immersed in an IMAX experience - from a movie that was released in 1977, these probably are lacking.

      If I recall, I saw the original theatrical release of "Return of the Jedi" in a theater that was using 70mm prints, I don't know if they even did that version of "HD" for the original "Star Wars".

    17. Re:A list of changes by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      "Mos Eisley Spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of big fucking piles of shit."

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    18. Re:A list of changes by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      No they don't jackass. Empire Strikes Back has a different actor play the Emperor with different dialog.

      Perhaps you should check your facts before going apeshit.

      The 2006 DVD release included the original versions of all three films as bonus features. They were not great quality, having been cheaply produced from an ageing laserdisc master.

      That's what JoeMerchant was talking about.

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    19. Re:A list of changes by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      but should certainly be up to the best of what SD can do

      Not really, they're not. There's too much noise reduction which manifests as temporal blurring, and they're not anamorphic transfers. I'd say they're a little closer to the best Laserdisc quality than to the best DVD quality.

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    20. Re:A list of changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 for technical correctness, -1 for wonky word order.

    21. Re:A list of changes by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      Pro-tip: not every AC response is from the GP, even if it is worded like it is.

    22. Re:A list of changes by malditaenvidia · · Score: 1

      Maybe the logical course of action was to chimp out and get all vulcan-strong and punch Khan to death.

    23. Re:A list of changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only problem is that Only was left on the cutting room floor...

      They ended using Greedo instead in that scene.

    24. Re:A list of changes by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny

      His word order you do not like. Know you not that no difference it makes!

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    25. Re:A list of changes by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      I'd give real money for someone to recut that part of the cantina scene with Jar Jar instead of Greedo.

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    26. Re:A list of changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://youtu.be/uSIxD8wHBM0
      Greedo shot first.

    27. Re:A list of changes by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      "Why-sa you shoots me, Han-ee?"

    28. Re:A list of changes by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Finally, a "Greedo shot first" edit that fans can approve of. Greedo gets the first shot, but it goes completely wild, killing Jar-Jar. Han shoots Greedo a millisecond later.

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    29. Re:A list of changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In mother's basement it is always Amok Time...

    30. Re:A list of changes by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Yoda points of mod, you get!

    31. Re:A list of changes by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Even better. Both Han and Greedo put aside their differences, shoot Jar Jar on the count of three, then buy a round for the bar.

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    32. Re: A list of changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least you never said Armok time.
      That's a whole different kind of pointy-ear, usually at the foot of a dwarven hammerer.

    33. Re:A list of changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pro-tip: not every AC who claims that someone responded to their non-AC post is the actual non-AC poster.

      LuLzzz!!!

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    34. Re:A list of changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It should probably be "Han shot solo."

    35. Re:A list of changes by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Actually no. Watch closely - you never see Han fire.

      He fiddles with his gun, then says something so witty that Greedo spontaneously combusts from embarrassment.

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    36. Re:A list of changes by Trogre · · Score: 1

      1. Ian McDiarmid plays the Emperor in the 2004 DVD, 2006 DVD and 2011 Blu-Ray releases of ESB. The "original" emperor in ESB (as seen on the "GOUT" 2006 DVD and older VHS editions) is a woman with monkey eyes superimposed, voiced by New Zealand actor Clive Revill.

      2. Hayden Christensen replaces Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's force ghost in ROTJ in the 2004 DVD, 2006 DVD and 2011 Blu-Ray.

      The GOUT DVDs were realeased in 2006 along with the re-released Special Edition DVDs. These were transfers from a laserdisc master and, while having very original content, were of very poor quality.

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    37. Re:A list of changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like Han's blaster firing, but it's actually the high-pitched sound of a Rodian fart.

    38. Re:A list of changes by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Nah fuck him. He made a bold statement that was completely wrong. He deserves a slap.

    39. Re:A list of changes by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 2

      Or maybe Han shoots Greedo and as he slumps over with his pants around his ankles, Jar-Jar who was unknowingly under the table falls on the floor with a blaster hole in the back of his head and a mouth full of cum dribbling down his chin?

    40. Re:A list of changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would urge you to stop taking junkie faggot dicks deep into your mouth.

    41. Re:A list of changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dumbass. The 2006 Original Editions were the last official release per re-edit.. Unfortunately pre-re-edit also meant complete with matting errors, slightly inferior transfer, DVD limitations, etc.

    42. Re:A list of changes by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Will you please stop sharing your fantasies with us? This is not a fetish site. We're not interested in your nocturnal activities.

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    43. Re:A list of changes by BoogieChile · · Score: 1

      You forgot to swear by your pretty floral bonnet to end him.

  3. May the force be with them by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

    So they can release it to theaters on May the 4th.

  4. Not "Episode IV" by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A restored HD version of the original Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope

    Sigh.

    If it's the original movie it's not "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope."

    Ask any Gen-Xer who saw this movie in the theatres in 1977 (likely multiple times) and they'll tell you the same thing: The movie is called "Star Wars." Nothing more, nothing less.

    1. Re:Not "Episode IV" by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      and you aren't getting the full original experience unless it looks like you're streaming it through Comcast

    2. Re:Not "Episode IV" by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      Today I learned: I'm Gen-X. But, not any Gen-Xer can tell you about the original release, some of them still weren't born yet.

      What I remember the most about the 1977 release was how it was still in theaters for a continuous run through the end of 1978, and beyond in some places.

    3. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Most Gen-Xers would not have seen Star Wars in the theatres. Gen-X covers early 1960s to early 1980s. Star Wars was PG, thus only some parents would bring their sub 13 year old (born before '63) to see the movie (In 1977 parents were less likely to OK a PG movie for children). That's 3 years out of a span of 20 that for certain had an opportunity to watch it in a theatre. Boomers are much more likely to have seen it in a theatre.

      I mention this as one of the people sandwiched between classes. Born in 1978, the generation I'm put into changes every few years. Today it's Gen-X. Prior, it was MTV. And prior to that, Gen-Y. And, prior to that, Gen-X. I guess Gen-X wins because I got covered by it twice. Ha!

    4. Re:Not "Episode IV" by cat_jesus · · Score: 2

      I probably watched that movie 50 times in the summer of 77.

    5. Re: Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. I'm embarrassed by the number of times I saw it in the theater.

    6. Re:Not "Episode IV" by cat_jesus · · Score: 1

      Parents had to OK seeing a movie? Ha!

      No, that's more of a modern (helicopter) parent thing. Most of our parents didn't care what we did as long as it didn't cause them any hassles. I think my parents made it to one sporting event of mine.

      I feel bad about the freedom to explore that many in the younger generations have missed.

    7. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Coisiche · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It may have been billed purely as "Star Wars" but I can remember being puzzled as I sat in the cinema over the fact that the scrolling text at the start was titled "Episode IV: A New Hope". Why haven't I heard of episodes I, II and III, I wondered.

      Now I'm nearly 40 years older and wish I had never heard of episodes I, II and III.

    8. Re:Not "Episode IV" by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Good point well made, but I have to ask... I thought I was gen X and I wasn't even born in 1977.

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    9. Re: Not "Episode IV" by Lije+Baley · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was 8 years old in 1977 and there were precious few members of my conservative rural school class who hadn't seen the movie in the theater by the end of the year. Violence, tame by today's standards, was the only thing giving it a PG rating, and once word got around, everybody went to see it.

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    10. Re:Not "Episode IV" by internerdj · · Score: 2

      Us Gen-Xers born after Star Wars don't really count. We are somewhere between Gen-X and Y. We missed these movie moments. Gen-X's music was changing just as we started to get in to music. The dot-com bubble hit before most of us were gainfully employed. But we are still old enough to know a past where our every moment wasn't consumed with tech. A time before a ubiquitous internet. A time when our computers had to squeal at other computers to communicate. We were mostly mature before social media took off.

    11. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? I was 8 when StarWars came out in '77 and saw it at the cinema.

    12. Re:Not "Episode IV" by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Good point well made, but I have to ask... I thought I was gen X and I wasn't even born in 1977.

      Many if not most consider Generation X to run into the early eighties. It should have only run into the seventies but a lot of the boomers actually waited to have kids.

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    13. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We were mostly mature before social media took off.

      And thus, we are the last to mature.

    14. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      So basically what you're saying is Star Wars was your generation's Frozen, except with less singing and a slightly worse Christmas special?

    15. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You had lousy parents. No, really.

    16. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I first saw Star Wars at a drive-in without sound. The screen was at the other end of a field across the street from my house. So I saw the action, but had to make up my own dialogue. I still think my script was better.

    17. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stop trying to undermine Ironic Hipster Cybertroll

    18. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pfah! I bet you're one of those fossils that refused to call it "Star Trek: The Original Series" back in 1966!

      The Federation has always been at way with Klingstasia!

    19. Re:Not "Episode IV" by green1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The original title scroll didn't call it a new hope... that was added later...

    20. Re:Not "Episode IV" by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      You probably saw that in the re-release in 1981 (I think, I forget the exact year, but they re-released it just before ESB.) It absolutely was called "Star Wars" in the original scroll in 1977 (or '78, when I watched it, in the UK.)

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    21. Re:Not "Episode IV" by slashping · · Score: 1

      I saw the movie in the theater in 1977, and I don't remember what it said. I wouldn't trust someone else's memory either. Eyewitness testimony isn't very reliable after decades, especially not when exposed to different versions of the events at later times.

    22. Re:Not "Episode IV" by squiggleslash · · Score: 2
      Minor correction - I believe there wasn't a name in the scroll at all. Basically you saw "Star Wars" and then the scroll, which had no title because it wasn't necessary because Star Wars was already the title.

      Somewhere I have a CED (yes, really) of the first movie, I think it dates back to the pre-1981 cut, so I'll have to watch it and work out how they handled it.

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    23. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      I agree that it's not "Episode IV", the scrolling text in the restored version has no title. But for everyone that tries to keep track of this it's an useful key to clarify what's discussed.

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    24. Re:Not "Episode IV" by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      If it's the original movie it's not "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope."

      Pedantry aside, FYI this transfer is the "original movie."

      There's no "Episode IV: A New Hope" on the scroll.

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    25. Re:Not "Episode IV" by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      Most Gen-Xers would not have seen Star Wars in the theatres. Gen-X covers early 1960s to early 1980s. Star Wars was PG, thus only some parents would bring their sub 13 year old (born before '63) to see the movie

      I was born in 1967 and was 10 when Star Wars came out - Born and raised in Vancouver. Everyone I knew had seen Star Wars. Many kids in my grade 4 class saw it multiple times. I myself saw Star Wars 13 times in the theatre and I bought every comic. I read the novelization until it fell apart.

      Parents back then weren't all paranoid about their kids being damaged by a PG movie. They were coming out of the 60s, before the new puritanism that has swept America as the baby boomers became parents. If the kid wasn't scared, then go watch it. Heck, when we went the first time we took my sister, who would have been age 6.5 at the time.

    26. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's always going to be a rough fit but generational identity has more to do with peer groups and joint experience of world history than who your parents were. There is no date cutoff fine enough to separate out all the different experiences that can alter identity.

      I am youngest of three and born in mid 70s, and my parents were the tail end of the silent generation. My oldest brother was born in mid 60s. I was also born in the summer and one of the kids who was always nearly the youngest in my class in school. All these influences in my life gave me a distinctly mature perspective. I was passing as someone and moving in their circles, playing catch-up to learn and fit in. This contrasts with some school peers who were chronologically older but immature ring-leaders of their younger, lord of the flies crowds. Yet, we're all gen X and indistinguishable by dates of birth.

    27. Re:Not "Episode IV" by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      It may have been billed purely as "Star Wars" but I can remember being puzzled as I sat in the cinema over the fact that the scrolling text at the start was titled "Episode IV: A New Hope".

      If you sat in the cinema in 1977 you're remembering wrong.

      Here's the original crawl - No "Episode IV" no "A New Hope."

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    28. Re:Not "Episode IV" by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      It should have only run into the seventies but a lot of the boomers actually waited to have kids.

      Most Gen-Xers parents aren't baby boomers. They're pre-baby boom. My parents for example, were born in 1939 and 1941 in England and grew up during the war and post-war era.

    29. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Coisiche · · Score: 1

      Wiki page agrees with you.

      Flaky memory on my part I guess. I was sure I was familiar with the concept of episode IV from '78 (I'm also in UK) but it seems I can't have been.

    30. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Crispy+Critters · · Score: 1

      May I suggest that you remember seeing Empire Strikes Back and being puzzled by "Episide V"? That is my experience.

    31. Re:Not "Episode IV" by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      Pedantry aside

      You must be new here.

    32. Re:Not "Episode IV" by malditaenvidia · · Score: 0

      Those Gen-Xers. We need another Vietnam to thin their ranks.

    33. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You owe yourself a quick youtube for "starwars ant-cheese"

      Changes made from the original film in The Phantom Edit
      * Opening crawl replaced with a new one explaining why the edit was made
      * Re-editing of nearly all scenes featuring Jar Jar Binks and removing some of what Nichols dubs 'Jar Jar Antics'
      * Removal or re-editing of most of the Battle Droid dialogue
      * Limiting of exposition throughout the film
      * Trimming scenes involving politics
      * Re-arrangement of shots and scenes to match the original Star Wars trilogy's presentation style
      * Removal of "Yippee" and "Oops" from Anakin's dialogue
      * Removal of dialogue that specifies the nature of midichlorians as a biological basis for Force sensitivity
      * Reinstatement of deleted scenes in order to fill in plot holes in the film narrative
      There were a total of 18 minutes cut from the original film, reducing the run time from 136 minutes to 118 minutes.

    34. Re:Not "Episode IV" by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      I was there and yes, it was called "Star Wars."

    35. Re:Not "Episode IV" by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Even Star Wars has its Richard Stallmans.

      Next you'll be telling me Pink Floyd ceased to exist the moment Syd left.

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    36. Re:Not "Episode IV" by irrational_design · · Score: 2

      What?! I was 5 years old when Star Wars came out. My dad heard about this new movie at work and when he came home that night he loaded the family up in the station wagon and we drove to the drive-in theater to see it. We saw it numerous times after that. You are insane if you think sub 13 year olds were not watching Star Wars. It was the first movie I remember seeing. Everybody I knew saw Star Wars, whether sub 13 or not.

    37. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FEH.

      You probably don't remember Christopher Walken was originally the hero in Total Recall, either.
      You know, because they implanted false memories in your head...

    38. Re:Not "Episode IV" by laie_techie · · Score: 2

      I was born in 1976, and my parents took me to see it in the theaters.

      As per the PG rating, remember that back then it went G, PG, R, X; PG-13 wasn't introduced until 1984.

    39. Re: Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no such thing as "gen y". They renamed themselves Millenials.

    40. Re:Not "Episode IV" by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

      Gen-X my ass, Born in 1959 so I was 17 going on 18 when Star Wars was released and I ain't no Gen-Xer.

      Saw it a dozen time in the old Orpheum Theater on State Street, Madison WI. Why the same theater? because in those the bid downtown theaters still had the pull to get exclusive showings for the blockbusters.

    41. Re:Not "Episode IV" by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Boomers run through 1964. X-ers start sometime after that.

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    42. Re:Not "Episode IV" by robkeeney · · Score: 2

      Most Gen-Xers would not have seen Star Wars in the theatres.

      Uh, no. I was 4 in `77 and I saw it in the theater. Everyone I went to school with had seen it. If you're gen X and didn't see it in a theater, it's likely because you were born after it left theaters.

    43. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It must be the Mandela Effect then...

      No, I am your father vs. "Luke, I am your father."

      Others like "If you build it, he will come" from Field of Dreams or

      Mr. Rogers "It's a beautiful day in THIS neighborhood"

      Procter & Gamble
      Berenstain Bears
      Froot Loops
      Depend adult diapers
      Sex AND the City
      Dan Aykroyd
      Kathie Lee Gifford
      "Tank man" in 1989 Tiananmen Square wasn't run over by one of the Chinese tanks
      Nelson Mandela died in prison in the 1980s, hence the popular meme "Mandela Effect"
      etc., etc.

    44. Re:Not "Episode IV" by MrLogic17 · · Score: 3, Funny

      You sound bitter about that. You should really just let it go. Let it go.

    45. Re:Not "Episode IV" by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 1

      Thank you.

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    46. Re: Not "Episode IV" by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Rather, you are admitting that you generation's version of Star Wars is Frozen.

    47. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I gonna have to take my kids to Frozen Episode 7 ?

    48. Re: Not "Episode IV" by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The Rolling Stones ceased to exist after they murdered Brian Jones.

    49. Re:Not "Episode IV" by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      But I am not, therefore you are in error.

      That pedantic enough? ;)

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    50. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My parent's took me to see all 3, they would even take my Brother and I to see R rated movies. If they thought something was too risque they would put their hand over our eyes for a few seconds but then laugh and let us watch anyways. Anything we didn't see in the theater we simply rented on VHS. They would let use each pick out a movie to keep us from arguing, the only rule was that horror movies needed to be watched during the day so we wouldn't have nightmares that would ultimately result in keeping THEM up at night.

    51. Re:Not "Episode IV" by onepoint · · Score: 1

      Just recalling "a downtown theaters" they were HUGE, wonderful and full of life. the one I went to had lot's of art deco stuff ( did not know it until after they knocked it down ) and could fit 400 people easy.

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    52. Re:Not "Episode IV" by sexconker · · Score: 1

      "My eyes, the goggles do nothing!"
      "The goggles, they do nothing!"

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    53. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Demolition · · Score: 1

      I was born in 1967 and was 10 when Star Wars came out - Born and raised in Vancouver. Everyone I knew had seen Star Wars. Many kids in my grade 4 class saw it multiple times. I myself saw Star Wars 13 times in the theatre and I bought every comic. I read the novelization until it fell apart.

      I was also born in Vancouver (...well, okay, Burnaby) in 1967. I saw Star Wars with a bunch of my friends on opening day at the Stanley. We camped out, watched the early showing, then went back in for the matinee.

      As you said, parents weren't stiflingly overprotective of their kids, back then. My friends and I were extremely free-ranging. Those were the days, eh?

    54. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Trogre · · Score: 1

      The text Episode IV A NEW HOPE was added in 1980 when Episode V THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK was released.

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    55. Re: Not "Episode IV" by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Gen Why?

    56. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      This was about the same time as the large theaters started splitting up their screens into smaller sizes. For one I went to the split vertically for the bottom level with a new wall, then horizontally so that the balcony had it's own separate screen. The movies just weren't pulling in the big crowds anymore, there was more to watch on TV, VHS rentals were just starting to take off, and so forth.

    57. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It happened a lot. I remember I couldn't go see Willy Wonka because a neighbor's kid was upset and scared by some of the scenes (though 4 years younger than me, so it shouldn't have counted).

    58. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      But it wasn't until 1981 that they added the "Episode 4" bit. So when Episode 4 was added it sort of reinforced the myth that Lucas had it all planned out. Some people saw it an addition, but other people were probably thinking it was odd that they didn't remember it from the first time they saw it but then brushed it off since it fit into Lucas' claim that he had 9 films all planned out (which was exaggeration since he as making up critical plot points on the fly during Empire Strikes Back filming.

    59. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I was not puzzled by that. Lucas had been pushing the idea that he had 9 movies planned out, including three prequels. So seeing the number V just reinforced that notion. But retroactively adding the "Episode IV" was what surprised some people.

      The original Empire Strikes Back script did not have Vader as Luke's father. Some may say that this was to keep it secret*, but Lucas had asked Leigh Brackett to write the original script. After she died Lucas put in revisions that he wanted. So if Lucas had this plot point in mind the whole time, which would be vital to the whole 9 film continuity, he certainly would have mentioned it to the original script writer. So again, some will hand wave and claim that Lucas wanted to keep it a secret from the script writer too and then change it later, but thats just a whole lot of flimsy hand waving. It's a much simpler explanation to think that Lucas was making it up as he went along and his 9 movie story arc was nothing more than a rough idea and a lot of hype.

      (* it's implausible that only 4 people knew this secret before the film's release as claimed in Wikipedia, because there were a lot of crew on the set and they couldn't have all been wearing ear plugs)

      If you also look at Star Wars (the original) you can see how it's very much a standalone movie. There are no unresolved issues, there's no references to possible prequels, it just works. None of the other 5 movies do that, they're all clearly a part of a larger story arc. Except for the original. I think it was only after the unexpectedly huge success of Star Wars that Lucas started planning on making a lot more of them.

      Although, saying "Episode IV" from the beginning would not have been a bad idea. This was an homage to sci-fi movie serials after all and it would not have been out of place. Except that historically we knew that the extra title was added later.

    60. Re: Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well duh, that movie was frickin' scary!

    61. Re:Not "Episode IV" by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      I was also born in Vancouver (...well, okay, Burnaby) in 1967

      I lied too - I grew up on Capitol Hill. Other than at the Capitol 6, most of my viewings were at The Dolphin.

      My friends and I were extremely free-ranging

      Best was when my buddies and I rode our banana-seat bikes from Capitol Hill down to Vanterm. Nice longshoreman showed us all the container cranes.

      That ride home was a lotta uphill.

    62. Re:Not "Episode IV" by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      Everyone I went to school with had seen it.

      Exactly.

      I think what a lot of younger people fail to grasp today is how back in the day, *everyone* went to Star Wars. Everyone. Sure, a lot of people went to Jurassic World last year, or Skyfall a few years ago, but with Star Wars, everyone went. Young, old, rural, urban. Everyone. There's a reason it's the second-highest grossing film of all time (indexed to inflation).

    63. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      I must've lived on another planet back then (granted I was only 4) because I'd never heard of it until Jedi came out, then went to see a Stars Wars/Empire double feature a day before watching Jedi. I also recall the "Episode IV: A New Hope" tagline and being confused, but this is obviously a non-original release.

    64. Re: Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing to be embarrassed about. It's a good movie.

      I'm embarrassed that I saw all three prequels in the theatre. You would think after the second one I would have known better.

    65. Re: Not "Episode IV" by toddestan · · Score: 1

      As someone who was likely born right about the same time (shortly after Jedi came out), I can understand. I don't identify with the things people associate with Generation X, because I either wasn't born, or I was just too young at the time. I don't identify with the things people associate with the Millennials either, as it all seems like that stuff "those kids" are into. Some people propose names like "Generation Y" for people like me stuck between the two, meanwhile others will stick me into one or the other depending on completely arbitrary criteria. Personally, I think the whole concept of pigeonholing people into "generations" is just plain stupid.

    66. Re:Not "Episode IV" by kimvette · · Score: 1

      I got over the Star Wars Holiday Special almost 30 years ago. If you're not over it by now, find a therapist. Seriously. ;)

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    67. Re:Not "Episode IV" by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Er, almost 40 years ago. Wow I'm getting old enough to say that!

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    68. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well played sir, well played

      of course this years Christmas special will be a crossover of the 2

    69. Re:Not "Episode IV" by tazan · · Score: 1

      Same here, I was 10, my brother 8. He heard about it at work, and drove us the 40 miles to the nearest theater. And we were so conservative we didn't have a television. We did have to listen to him complain about Hollywood taking a perfectly good movie and adding 1 bad word for no apparent reason. Of course now we know they did that on purpose to make sure they didn't get a G rating.

    70. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess: Uncle Owen saying, "there'll be hell to pay" ?

    71. Re:Not "Episode IV" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's implausible that only 4 people knew this secret before the film's release as claimed in Wikipedia, because there were a lot of crew on the set and they couldn't have all been wearing ear plugs

      The way I heard it told, the line that Prowse said on the set was "Obi-Wan killed your father." Lucas told Hamill what the line would eventually be, so that he could react appropriately. Then James Earl Jones was given the "I am your father" line during looping.

  5. Good work by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It would be good to see the others restored such as this. I can understand the need for people to experience the movie as they originally remember it. I am of the view both the original version and the CGI enhanced version could have been made available by the studio so people could watch which one they please. But they seem much to arrogant for that. Its appalling how these companies treat their fans which made them a success.

    1. Re:Good work by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      In 2006, the DVD box set did just that. I guess there isn't much margin in doing two lines of movie restoration anymore.

    2. Re:Good work by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      Does anyone really think that the petition to get a PG-13 cut of Deadpool was anything more than marketing Deadpool as an R-rated movie, and getting ahead of the outrage that would ensue if a parent took the kid to see it and the kid saw all the naughty and nasty things going on in it?

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    3. Re:Good work by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can't wait for the 35mm transfer of another Lucas masterpiece: Howard the Duck.

    4. Re:Good work by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      I don't care for anything above stereo, I don't care much for anamorphic, but 4:3? Really? Ouch.

    5. Re:Good work by adolf · · Score: 1

      How do you get 5.1 surround sound from a 2-channel film soundtrack while preserving it as an archivist?

      Answer: You don't.

    6. Re:Good work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that you mention it, a PG-13 cut of Deadpool with full E.T.-style editing could end up being pretty awesome.

    7. Re:Good work by GTRacer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I know Lucas, then Disney seem hell-bent on releasing "new" versions of these films every few years. What I want, and would pay dearly for, is a DVD Trilogy set (no flames; I just don't do Blu-Ray) where the first thing you get is a list of checkboxes.

      These control the edits. Want original empty Mos Eisley streets + Han shoots first^wonly + CGI hangar Jabba + Ghost Hayden? Knock yourself out.

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    8. Re:Good work by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      I don't care for anything above stereo, I don't care much for anamorphic, but 4:3? Really? Ouch.

      Ya, I only have two ears...

    9. Re:Good work by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      It wasn't 4:3. it was encoded as 4:3, but letter boxed, so you were seeing a widescreen cut, not a 4:3 cut.

      It's a shame, as it meant it wasn't as high a resolution as many wanted, and yeah, Slashdot was full of people claiming that George Lucas had sexually assaulted in the worst way them by releasing such a DVD when it came out, because apparently if someone doesn't do exactly what you want then they're the worst people ever.

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    10. Re:Good work by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      I've got a copy in 3:2 anamorphic with 5.1 Dolby.

      Not of the pre-Special Edition theatrical releases you haven't - which is what we're talking about, so please shut your noisy mouth.

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    11. Re:Good work by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      I ripped the DVDs and haven't put them in the player in years, playback through KODI or VLC, I get black bars top and bottom on a 16:9 screen (no black on the sides, at least), resolution is poorer than my eyesight, audio is stereo (just like my hearing), but the story is the same.

    12. Re:Good work by Chelloveck · · Score: 2

      I know you're trolling, but I actually liked Howard the Duck. I thought it did a reasonable job of matching the spirit, if not the details, of the comic. Watching Lea Thompson in lingerie wasn't all bad either.

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    13. Re:Good work by wired_parrot · · Score: 1

      I get that Star Wars fans get upset over the multitude of changes of the movie since the original release, and the plethora of versions, but how is this different from every other movie released recently? Most movies have at least 5 different versions - US theatrical release, International theatrical release, TV Broadcast release, a director's cut version, and a DVD version. I have 3 different versions of the first Lord of the Rings movie at home, with the extended version adding 30 minutes of material. Blade Runner has both a director's cut version and a final cut version. And just about any blockbuster released more than 20 years ago has gone through a cycle of being remastered from VHS -> LaserDisc -> DVD -> BluRay , with requisite tweakings and touch-ups in sound and visual effects that each format demanded.

      I'm not defending Lucas, but it seems like re-touching old movies seems on-par for the industry, including converting movies to 3D and colorizing old classics like Casablanca.

    14. Re:Good work by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      The movie was a HUGE disappointment after being a fan of the comic, which was basically a spoof of superhero comics masterminded by Stan Lee. But I agree, Howard the Duck doesn't deserve it's current reputation as worst movie ever, or even worst comic book movie ever. There are lots of contenders for that title, even the deliberately campy Flash Gordon.

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    15. Re:Good work by steveha · · Score: 1

      I definitely don't agree that Flash Gordon is a contender for worst anything ever. It was campy fun. I was laughing in the places the film maker wanted me to laugh, not laughing at how terrible it was. The special effects were not much better or worse than most other movies of its time (Star Wars being a huge exception).

      You can't possibly think that Flash Gordon is a worse movie than Batman & Robin. Ugh.

      P.S. Surprisingly, Roger Corman produced an extremely low-budget superhero movie and it actually is not bad: Black Scorpion

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    16. Re:Good work by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      People are not really upset that there where more versions really, they where more upset that the new versions where the only versions since Lucas deemed the older versions tabu.

    17. Re:Good work by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 1

      Blu-ray releases March 8th:
      http://www.amazon.com/Howard-D...

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    18. Re:Good work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that's what you want then it will need to be BluRay since it's capable of doing this without multiple copies on the media. MKV as a container can also do this - good luck finding a player that will do it or an editing tool to create it though. Anime tends to use this feature (I'm told) to save space by putting the starts of shows in one file and the others reference it but that's about it. This is how a movie can have multiple versions on the same disk with BluRay, makes it a PITA to rip too!

    19. Re:Good work by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Yup.
      I love my surround sound but if the source is stereo it's staying stereo.

    20. Re:Good work by adolf · · Score: 1

      Kinda...

      Every print of the film is in Dolby Stereo, which is a 2-channel matrix format that decodes to 4 channels (left, right, center, surround).

      Assuming that the group already did the (absolutely required) Dolby A noise reduction step, the resultant audio will be able to be correctly decoded by any Dolby Pro Logic receiver and heard as it was in a Dolby Stereo-equipped theater.

      But it's not 5.1, was never intended to be, and from a purist perspective, shouldn't be.

      Even hearing it in stereo will be more accurate than any misguided attempt at making a 5.1 mix (in that it is at least similar to what was heard in non-Dolby Stereo theaters).

      (And when I say "Dolby Pro Logic," I mean exactly that: Not Dolby PL-II, PL-IIx or PL-IIz, not DTS:Neo6, not [...])

    21. Re:Good work by phorm · · Score: 1

      The Hulk movies come to mind, especially the first one. It started out decent, but the ending was really a WTF moment...

    22. Re:Good work by sexconker · · Score: 1

      I thought all PL-II decoders could handle PL mixes properly, and the benefit of PL-II and later was the ability to encode (and decode) more separation, more transparently. Is that not the case?

    23. Re:Good work by Khyber · · Score: 1

      http://originaltrilogy.com/top...

      "IVTC errors - the master video will have had 3:2 pulldown applied to produce the NTSC framerate of 29.97fps. For the DVD, the video was inverse telecined (IVTCed) to convert to 23.976fps. Unfortunately there were some cadence errors in the master, resulting in some flickering artefacts on R2D2 in the scene with Ben and Luke after the Sandpeople attack. These artefacts are visible when viewing on a computer or a progressive display. "

      ORIGINAL THEATRICAL VERSIONS

      Now then, what the fuck were you saying?

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    24. Re:Good work by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      You said it was 3:2 - I initially thought you were weirdly referring to the 720x480 picture, which is (if it was in square pixels) 3:2. Now I see you were apparently referrig to cadence. But it's not. As you've just said yourself, the 3:2 cadence was (not quite correctly) undone.

      So in summary:

      You said it was 3:2 - it's not.

      You said it was anamorphic - it's not.

      You said it was in 5.1 - it's not.

      So what are you actually claiming to be right about?

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    25. Re:Good work by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      But they seem much to arrogant for that. Its appalling how these companies treat their fans which made them a success.

      To be fair this is their art, and their call. Just like John Lennon or Van Gogh pick and choose which works to release to which audiences at which times, so too Lucas and the studios as owners should have control of their own work. What is arrogant is that a person who has contributed nothing to the creation of the work should demand how it be distributed. Sense of entitlement much?

    26. Re:Good work by adolf · · Score: 1

      Kinda. PL-II (and so on) also separates the singular surround channel into two surround channels, making it essentially a "5.0" matrix.

      But one cannot accurately derive 5 channels from 4-channel matrixed source material: Whatever channel separation exists between SR and SL is therefore a lie; a fiction that nobody who created the soundtrack ever heard because it did not yet exist.

      But more to the point, Pro Logic is the exactly the same decoding matrix as Dolby Stereo (minus a noise reduction step). The results in terms of channel steering and separation will be as close to what the engineers and producers expected you to hear in theaters as possible, and will be identical to what they accepted when reviewing test prints -- inescapable technical flaws and all.

      You can't improve on identical, even if the channel separation sucks compared to more modern techniques.

      PL-IIx seems to work pretty well on modern material that has already been downmixed from discrete 5.1 to 2-channel, though...but that's a different game (and argument) entirely. It also seems to do some proper justice to QSound material, even though that was only ever intended to be played back in stereo.

    27. Re:Good work by adolf · · Score: 1

      Came here yet again to say I've now watched the film described in TFA, in Pro-Logic mode, and learned a few things about how they (Lucas, et al) were avoiding the flaws of the system.

      First, I did not hear any steering errors at all. (If you ever have, you'll know what I'm talking about -- if not, just wait until it happens.)

      Second, this is because they largely treated Dolby Stereo as a 2- or 3-channel system on this film: No matter what is going on on-screen, the sound is almost always largely mixed only Left/Right/Center-ish, or only Center and Surround. This neatly avoids all of the steering pitfalls/inherent errors and further devalues any artificial merit that PL-II might add.

      But re-reading your comment: I don't know of a PL-II decoder that doesn't also have a more-basic PL mode. If all you have is PL-IIx/z/whatever, then obviously run what you brung and do what you can with what you have.

      Me, I'm sticking with old-skool Pro-Logic for all material that was mixed for Dolby Stereo. It works exactly as I predicted, at least on my Lexicon AVR.

      (And yeah, I often play the original Dolby Stereo mix of older movies on DVD through Pro-Logic, too, instead of trusting the later 5.1 remix that is also on the disc.)

    28. Re:Good work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus, Khyber, the very page you link to says:

      "Since the transfer is non-anamorphic, widescreen TV owners will need to select the "zoom" display mode to view in the correct aspect ratio (sometimes also called "cinema" mode)."

      After years of suffering your comments, I still can't figure out if you're stupid, illiterate, a troll, or just so arrogant and cocksure that you don't bother to think before typing!

  6. now restore the fans to original state by sittingnut · · Score: 1

    to fully appreciate the movie the way it was originally appreciated, minds of fans must be restored the state they were when they 1st saw the movie. bodies too, since everything is ultimately dependent on physical and biological state of body. while we are about it, let us restore the whole world and the cultural climate too.

    1. Re:now restore the fans to original state by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      My original viewing of the movie was in a drive-in theater, with a blurry picture that obscured more detail than a standard color TV of the time.

    2. Re:now restore the fans to original state by swb · · Score: 1

      Ha! Mine, too. But I guarantee the picture was better than the sound at the drive-in we went to, because it had that outdoor speaker box you hung on your car window.

    3. Re:now restore the fans to original state by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Some of the fancy drive-ins allowed you to tune in your car radio, which gave slightly better monophonic staticy audio than that weathered speaker that hung next to the optional extra-cost A/C vent you could hang in the window.

    4. Re:now restore the fans to original state by swb · · Score: 1

      I don't think our drive in had the radio option and I know it didn't have the a/c option.

      The bigger problem in Minnesota was the damn mosquitoes. Something is wrong if bug spray is something you have to use to see a movie.

    5. Re:now restore the fans to original state by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      In Florida, the radio tuning option was appearing just as the drive in theaters were starting to shut down. The trick here was to bring a towel to stuff in the window opening so that the mosquitoes didn't get in. If I remember, entrance fee to the drive in was something like $3 or $4 per vehicle, A/C was like a $2 option. Then again, my Dad's annual salary was $10K, and a brand new 6 cylinder BMW was $2800.

    6. Re:now restore the fans to original state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure thing, I just need to buy a large Chevy van, find a drive-in movie theater and save up a $1.00 for a hot dog and soda combo. I'm sure that won't be difficult in 2016. Then in the weeks following I will go to my local Toys'r'us, buy the action figures for $7.99 each, swing by my local home decor store to buy the Star Wars wallpaper and stop in at Montgomery Ward to get the Star Wars bed sheet set. That is all perfectly doable in 2016. (/sarcasm)

    7. Re:now restore the fans to original state by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      When I get Alzheimers, I'll be able to enjoy a new Star Wars every day!

  7. Fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was no original Star Wars Episode IV in 1977. It was just Star Wars.

  8. Lucus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know this place has gone down the drain lately, but "Lucus"? Come on.

    1. Re:Lucus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucus, Mucus, who cares. He sold it to Disney so now we have a Justin Bieber Darth Vader and Pocahontas Jedi.

    2. Re:Lucus? by halivar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Justin Bieber Darth Vader and Pocahontas Jedi.

      ...but enough about the prequels.

    3. Re:Lucus? by OnAironaut · · Score: 1

      Justin Bieber Darth Vader and Pocahontas Jedi.

      ...but enough about The Force Awakens.

      FTFY

    4. Re:Lucus? by halivar · · Score: 1

      *whoooosh*

  9. Soon they will feel the power of the Dark Side.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cue legion of lawyers suing them for everything they've got and everything they and their children and their children's children will earn in their entire lifespan, no doubt in a penal colony of some sort.

  10. This Belongs in a Museum! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    n/t

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    1. Re:This Belongs in a Museum! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, like the Pirate Bay Museum of Electronic Media.

      Hell, why not? They should either start calling themselves a museum, or a library.

    2. Re:This Belongs in a Museum! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fortunately all the museums of the world can now torrent the release at their pleasure.

      What, did somebody mention copyright protected work, failure to ask permission to publish and Disney?

    3. Re:This Belongs in a Museum! by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      ...or maybe the Library of Congress?

  11. Re:Soon they will feel the power of the Dark Side. by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

    Jeesbus help any man who has both Disney AND Fox coming down on his head.

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  12. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have the 9 disc CAV LD box set. Pretty sure thats the original theatrical releases

    1. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have the 9 disc CAV LD box set. Pretty sure thats the original theatrical releases

      On an LCD/Plasma those LDs look like shit. And this IF you still have a functioning top of the line LD player.
      In 2016 the best version of Star Wars is Harmy's despecialized edition. All the other versions, including this one talked about in this thread are inferior.

  13. Re:Soon they will feel the power of the Dark Side. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Hmm, you may be right so without further ado, here's the hash AA49B74580299AA8F529EDFCE730359F6CE0DEB0

  14. Special Edition by doconnor · · Score: 1

    I like the Special Edition better. The Battle of Yavin at the end makes a lot more sense then the sometimes random collection of ships flying presented in the original. I'm not obsessed about whether Han shoots first.

    1. Re:Special Edition by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Allow me to be the first, and possibly only, to say: that's cool. To each his own.

      Myself, I like a combination of the two. Some of the SE stuff is great, some... not so much. That's why I was once a Star Wars fan editor. Before it was cool :p

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    2. Re:Special Edition by aitikin · · Score: 1

      Allow me to be the first, and possibly only, to say: that's cool. To each his own.

      Myself, I like a combination of the two. Some of the SE stuff is great, some... not so much. That's why I was once a Star Wars fan editor. Before it was cool :p

      I agree with a blend, although I'm excited to be able to see it as it was originally made finally (being born in the 80s, the original was never truly available, although I still have the pre-SE VHS trilogy). I can simplify and say that I like almost none of the first act (all of Tatooine basically) from the SE, but after that, anything added I feel isn't detracting from the movie and actually improves upon it in most cases. I'm sure that's an oversimplification of my true feelings, but I'm not about to do an edit of my favorite parts to make my favorite version, so I'm not about to list all the changes I like and don't.

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  15. Back in the days by k6mfw · · Score: 2

    I saw the this movie at a movie theatre! It was also when gas was 57 cents a gallon, leaded or unleaded, and Calif houses were less than 100K. Anyway back on topic a friend told me, "You gotta see this movie, the special effects are as good as 2001." Which back then every other space movie was cheesy looking. I also remembered some local store made a few Star Wars shirts (7 total) and were promptly served papers to either stop and destroy the shirts or pay $7million. And then Battlestar Gallactica TV series featuring that guy from Bonanza and all that space age Tektronix test equipment (you know, those O-scopes where all the controls were easy except finding the power on/off was always a challenge).

    I find it amusing we are 16% into the 21st century and a lot of people view SW as "something new" which probably there are people seeing this 1977 re-release, "wow I didn't know SW was that OLD!" For me I saw the two sequels on late night TV, I haven't watched any of the pre-re-seq-whatever versions. And probably have no clue what everyone is arguing about.

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    1. Re:Back in the days by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I haven't watched any of the pre-re-seq-whatever versions. And probably have no clue what everyone is arguing about.

      Good. And stay that way. For your own sake.

    2. Re:Back in the days by ledow · · Score: 1

      Why the venom?

      In 20 year's time, when they're making Toy Story 26 or The Expendables: Resurrected Again (where Sly Stallone is a re-animated corpse for the third outing), you'll get sick and tired of the shit too.

      Though I haven't yet found anything on there that's "killer", I have to say that just the idea of Amazon Originals (i.e. independently funded, non-Hollywood crap) is appealing.

      Let's be honest, if you resurrected any trilogy from the 70's (were there others? Possible Alien technically?) and just keep piling on the shit, then people are going to get pissed. Especially if they've been going to the cinema since they were a kid and all they ever see when they go is yet-another-Star-Wars.

      I like the originals. The sequels did nothing for me. I wouldn't even try to watch the spin-off shite, director's cuts, Disneyfications, etc. Like everything that plays on the name, just because it's "Star Wars" or "Doctor Who" or "iPhone" or whatever other brand, it doesn't mean it's actually any good, just because a previous incarnation was in it's time.

      Fuck, they've just announced their resurrecting the fucking ZX Spectrum. I'm a MAD Spectrum fan - I still own three. But I'll be damned if I'll pay for a portable Spectrum 25 years later just because it's "been approved" by Sir Clive.

    3. Re:Back in the days by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Why, back in my day, when you wanted to stalk a girl, you had to go to her house and hide in the bushes! None of this just daily navigating to her Facebook page like all you nancy-boys these days do!

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    4. Re: Back in the days by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The scary thing is how many people here will be confused over the meaning of having seen the sequels on late night TV.

    5. Re:Back in the days by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Let's be honest, if you resurrected any trilogy from the 70's (were there others? Possible Alien technically?)

      Alien was on telly just the other night so I watched it again, the first time since the early 80's. Man what a pile of crap.
      I remember the first time I saw it thinking it was the coolest thing ever, now it is just dumb. The story is dumb, the effects are dumb, the plot is full of holes and the acting pretty mediocre. It would be impossible to convey the same feeling of seeing that movie for the first time to anyone seeing it for the first time today as they would just laugh in your face.

    6. Re:Back in the days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno, I think it still holds up pretty well. The performances alone make it worth watching. The cast was excellent and really sold the story, which admittedly is pretty weak and derivative, but it was given a fresh new shine with "modern" SFX (for 1979).

      "Prometheus," OTOH, was horrible despite the excellent SFX. They tried to give the story (and Alien's indirectly) a meaning and gravitas that it just doesn't warrant, so it comes across as corny.

  16. Baffled.... by seven+of+five · · Score: 2

    How is this even possible, legally? If you so much as put a Mickey Mouse wristwatch on upside down Disney comes down on you like a ton of bricks. This group... obtains a 35mm print, restores and releases it? Makes my head spin.

    1. Re:Baffled.... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is this even possible, legally?

      It's not. Not legal, anyway. But not being legal doesn't make something impossible.

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    2. Re:Baffled.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it's not legal. But there's no particular mileage in sending lawyers after them, it's free marketing for the Star Wars saga. People who download this have probably already spent money on other versions of Star Wars, and if they haven't by now, they probably aren't going to. So nothing is being lost, and if it helps boost interest in all things Star Wars, then it's all good.

    3. Re:Baffled.... by suutar · · Score: 1

      It probably isn't... legally. The print is probably still legally the property of 20th Century Fox (or whatever that company's name is now), just tagged as "lost" in the records, and I recall hearing that "restoration" counts as making a new work, which would be derivative, and therefore infringing...

    4. Re:Baffled.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >> How is this even possible, legally?
      > It's not. Not legal, anyway. But not being legal doesn't make something impossible.

      It's a TRAP!!

    5. Re:Baffled.... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      20th Century Fox is owned by Rupert Murdoch, Lucasfilm is owned by Disney Corp. I personally am confused as to how the Deadpool movies is both a Marvel (Disney) and 20th Century Fox (Fox) movie, as these corporations represent competing entertainment megacorporations. As near as I can tell, Fox owns some of the rights to X-Men, e.g. the word "mutants", so they had to work together?

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    6. Re:Baffled.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disney acquired Marvel Entertainment of which Marvel Studios (the movie guys) was a subsidiary. They have to abide by pre-existing agreements of that company (well, technically of Marvel Enterprises that merged with Toy Biz to create Marvel Entertainment). Well before Marvel was in the movie-making business, Marvel Entertainment/Enterprises licensed the film rights to any "mutant" characters and the Fantastic Four to Fox essentially in perpetuity as long as Fox makes an effort to use the license. Sony has a similar deal with Spider-Man.

      So, long story short, the logo you see in front of Marvel Studios films is actually Marvel Entertainment's logo, just like the logo you see in front of Fox and Sony's movies. Marvel Studios has nothing to do with the production of the other two studios' films (until the next Spider-Man movie comes out, which will actually be created by Marvel Studios, with Spider-Man temporarily licensed back from Sony to Marvel Studios for that film, which makes everything extra confusing).

      Amusingly, 20th Century Fox also owns distribution rights for Star Wars (1977) in perpetuity and distribution rights for the other 5 movies until 2020. So come 2020 getting your hands on a box set of Star Wars, specialized or not, is going to be yet another level of hell.

    7. Re:Baffled.... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      You seem to be informed on these matters, sir.
      Could you tell me if I will be able to buy a holodeck remaster box set of Futurama in the year 3000? Or will there be shenanigans with 30th Century Fox?

    8. Re:Baffled.... by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Because making a watch requires physical parts that are easily tracked and confiscated. A pirate movie only needs a PC and the Internet, ie pretty much impossible to stop.

  17. George Lucus?! by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    What a ugly typo, slashdot.org editors...

    1. Re:George Lucus?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am Darth Locutus of George. It is useless to resist. Your restorations will be reverted. We shall add Han shooting Greedo to our own.

  18. Obligatory by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    Lone Starr: Who hasn't heard of Episode IV!
    Princess Vespa: A New Hope!
    Dot Matrix: Star Wars Episode IV!
    Barf: Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope!
    Star Wars: Please, please, don't make a fuss. It's just plain Star Wars.

  19. Won't be able to find it online by Dunbal · · Score: 0

    Too bad you won't be able to find it online because Kanye West is gonna sue TBP to oblivion. Just as soon as he finds an address to serve the summons...

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    1. Re:Won't be able to find it online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      magnet:?xt=urn:btih:3e40d664255000c624307999eae7cdcf54df91d9&dn=Star+Wars+-+A+New+Hope+-+Team+Negative+1+35mm+Silver+Screen&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fexodus.desync.com%3A6969

  20. How hard is to "find" a theatrical 35mm print? by swb · · Score: 1

    Maybe Star Wars would be a case where it was so popular that so many prints were struck that it was hard to keep track of them and enterprising fans were able to snag prints at the tail end of the extended run.

    Then I guess there is (or was?) the old "revival house" that showed older movies, so obviously there was a warehouse someplace filled with 35mm prints and I would imagine these walked off or "got lost in shipping" from time to time.

    But what kind of equipment would you need to actually work with and digitize something like this? I'm imagining a rube goldberg contraption that hacks a 35mm slide scanner to some kind of feed and takeup system along with a lot of work to turn 35mm scans into a video.

    1. Re:How hard is to "find" a theatrical 35mm print? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not that the equipment you need is complicated, or hard to get, it's a scanner for film, you can buy it if you want. It only costs a bit because it is a bit uncommon compared to your average scanning needs.

      Still, it's no worse than a professional photocopier.

    2. Re:How hard is to "find" a theatrical 35mm print? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Back in the 80's when my friends wife owned a video store, she had copies all the Disney movies that had never been released on videotape or DVD, so apparently there has been a booming black market on converting film to digital for quite some time now. I assume many of the art film/non-first run theaters do this as a sideline; how else would they stay in business?

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    3. Re:How hard is to "find" a theatrical 35mm print? by swb · · Score: 1

      It's hard to find prices, but from what I've seen even the used 2k-only machines are 50k+ and something 4k and top of the line looks like it might hit $200k.

    4. Re:How hard is to "find" a theatrical 35mm print? by swb · · Score: 1

      Some of the Disney stuff was unreleased in the US, but was released overseas. I know that "Song of the South", which will never be available officially, was released on videodisc in Japan, and is a huge collector's item and you can buy bootlegs made from the Japanese laserdisc or the UK VHS release.

      I'm sure art houses have done plenty of after-hours telecines, but I would imagine that decent copies out of it would have been kind of involved unless they had put some effort into a basement telecine setup.

      Before HD video equipment became widespread, you would have ended up with either a cropped 4:3 image or a pretty low-res letterbox if they preserved the full screen. I don't know if theater projector sound systems would supply a line out that could be used to create the audio or if they would have lived miked the sound in the theater.

  21. From a single Print? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    From the fine article, there were multiple prints used. A spanish language LPP version was the basis for most of the work but several other Kodak Eastman prints were used, especially for effect heavy scenes.

  22. Re:Soon they will feel the power of the Dark Side. by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    Thanks. The size is 24.68 GB, claimed to be 1080p. Expect a long download time.

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  23. Who cares? by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    If it doesn't have Teddy bears it ain't Star Wars!

    1. Re:Who cares? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Ewok is just Wookie backwards...

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    2. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eikoow

    3. Re:Who cares? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Ewok is just Wookie backwards...

      Shortened and dumbed down.

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    4. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A popular myth has it that Lucas initially wrote a script for Jedi where the role of the Ewoks would be played by Wookiees, and that he got the name for the teddy bear creatures by reversing the 'wook' and 'iee' syllables. But Ewok, whatever its spelling, was mostly inspired by the Miwok Indians, native to Marin. As for using Wookiees, that's a reference to how the first draft of The Star Wars ended."
        - from How Star Wars Conquered the Universe, by Chris Taylor

  24. Not sure if I even care by kheldan · · Score: 1

    I like that they did this and applaud the risk they're taking in releasing it online (as a bittorrent, I'd imagine), but ironically I'm not even sure if I really care. Since Revenge of the Jedi I've more or less had the entire Star Wars thing ruined for me. I haven't seen the new film, probably never will, either, because it stinks of just 'piling on' for more profit. It has nothing to do with 'bringing Star Wars to a new generation' or anything even as high-minded as that, it's just monetizing the living hell out of it, beating the proverbial dead horse, and mainly because there aren't any new ideas to speak of to capitalize on anymore, so they just have to keep remaking everything else ad infinitum. Bored now, going off to read a book or something, until someone comes up with something actually original.

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    1. Re:Not sure if I even care by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      I've more or less had the entire Star Wars thing ruined for me. I haven't seen the new film, probably never will, either, because it stinks of just 'piling on' for more profit.

      Oh it can't be truly ruined until you've seen Ep 8. When you sit through 220 minutes of cliche, rehashed script and plots from Ep 4 but with lamer bad guys, and entirely predictable ending (sorry for the spoiler, but they blow up yet another death star!) only then will you understand true disillusionment. I let Ep1-3 slide, but after seeing Ep 8 Star Wars as I knew it is dead to me. Time to move on and leave it to the next generation of 13 year olds...

  25. Got it. Not bad. by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    I've downloaded it. It's pretty good. Pretty grainy compared to what we're all used to these days, especially in dark scenes. Grain and subjective quality varies a fair bit from scene-to-scene and sometimes shot-to-shot, but is probably fairly representative of how it would have looked in cinemas in 1977.

    VLC reports the framerate as 23.809523.

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  26. George Lucas: The Midas Touch? by evolutionary · · Score: 1

    It's amazing how when Lucas was given enough money to have free reign, he was the inverse of the Midas touch. If it was already gold, he made it bronze (the CGI skipped silver). if it was new it was tin or worse. So who was it that kept him from messing up the original trilogy in the first place. "That doesn't really work does it...have you tried.." Tom Hulce(Mozart) - Amadeus.

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  27. Don't know where you're getting your ideas from. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PG movies were basically considered 'safe' by just about everyone, which is why people were so outraged when Gremlins and Temple of Doom showed levels of violence that traumatized kids, leading directly to the creation of the PG-13 rating.
    Source: Was born in 1964 and not once did I ever hear ANY adult saying to a child: "No you can't see that movie, it's PG, not G." You are totally off the mark about the attitudes prevalent in 1977.

  28. George Lucus by aglider · · Score: 1

    Will ne happy. Whoever he is!

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    1. Re:George Lucus by martiniturbide · · Score: 1

      George Lucus of Borg ?

  29. Re:Soon they will feel the power of the Dark Side. by slashping · · Score: 2

    Unfortunately, the image quality is so shitty that the high resolution and low compression are completely wasted. It could easily been converted to a 2GB version without visible loss in quality.

  30. You young whippersnapper! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Back in my day, we didn't call it "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope", we just called it "Star Wars", and we were happy with the name, doggone it!

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  31. 70MM 6 tack sound? 35mm Dolby Stereo? 35mm mono? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    70MM 6 tack sound? 35mm Dolby Stereo? 35mm mono?

    http://episodenothing.blogspot...

  32. It's not from a single print by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 1

    It is from 2 prints:

    1) spanish lpp print (6 reels)
    2) english print (5 reels) + 1 partial reel

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  33. Without their blessing? by Zaowulf · · Score: 1

    Cease and desist in 3... 2...

    1. Re:Without their blessing? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Who to? Cease and desist what?

      They've had years to close this down. It wasn't done in secret.

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  34. That's Nice And All But... by hondo77 · · Score: 1

    ...I guarantee you that Disney is working on a real restoration of Eps 4-6...somewhere...probably in a non-descript building near the Burbank Airport...

    While we wait, here is a good explanation some of the difficulties the restorers face. I've also heard that the separation masters are, unfortunately, in pretty lousy condition.

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  35. Harmy Despecialized Edition by xororand · · Score: 2

    The currently best reproduction of the original Star Wars trilogy is a fan edit compiled by Harmy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    http://originaltrilogy.com/top...
    https://docs.google.com/docume...

    This is a reconstruction of the 1977 theatrical version of STAR WARS. The original shots were painstakingly restored using various sources (listed below) and the film received an extensive shot by shot colour correction based on a fade free 1977 I.B. Technicolor Print.

    This fan edit is compiled from many sources, including an earlier scan by Team Negative1, the group this article is also about.

    VIDEO SOURCES:
            STAR WARS Episode IV A New Hope Official Blu-Ray 2011 (Preliminary colour correction by You_Too)
            STAR WARS 2006 Bonus DVD (sourced from the 1993 Definitive Edition Laser Disc Master - upscales by Dark Jedi, You_Too and Harmy)
            Star.Wars.Episode.IV.A.New.Hope.1977.720p.HDTV.x264-DON (2004 DVD Version)
            STAR WARS 1997 Special Edition (Reivax DTV capture)
            Custom mattes, 35mm and 70mm film cell scans etc.
            Team Negative1 35mm LPP print scan of the Mos Eisley sequence
            Puggo Grande (1977 16mm print transfer)

    Harmy has since released restored edits of Episode V and VI as 720p MKV.
    The MKVs also include many subtitles and alternative audio tracks.
    It is currently the definite edition of the original trilogy.

    1. Re:Harmy Despecialized Edition by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Indeed my first thought was to wonder how this would compare to the despecialized edition v2.5

  36. NFR by Trogre · · Score: 1

    Does this mean there is finally a print of Star Wars that can be submitted to the National Film Registry, only 27 years after a copy was requested on its induction?

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  37. Han still shoots first by Trogre · · Score: 1

    This is great news for preserving an important part of cinematic history that its creator wants to bury.

    If you're like me and prefer to watch the Special Editions, consider Adywan's ANH:Revisited, a fan edit that is truly what the special editions should have been. He's been working on ESB for the past 7 years, mostly due to a meticulous attention to detail but plans to Revisit ROTJ as well. He's presently re-shooting the Han in Carbonate model to fix a costume continuity error.

    The list of changes to ANH is shamelessly pasted below:

    1 - Star Wars Logo: originally it receded way too quickly so this has been slowed down to match the speed in the rest of the saga.
    2 - The crawl appears slightly earlier now, as it did pre ANH, so it appears at the correct music cue that Williamsâ(TM) intended, and how I remember it.
    3 - As the camera pans down to Tatooine you now see the 3 moons instead of just 2
    4 - Tatooine now rotates slightly as the ships fly overhead
    5 - Re-coloured all lasers
    6 - Removed the horrible blue hazing as the stardestroyers engine come into view
    7 - Changed the explosion as the Tantive IV is hit to remove a lot of the smoke.
    8 - Added a jerk to the motion of the Tantive IV as it is hit
    9 - Speeded up the star field in that shot so the Tantive IV seems to be moving as fast as it did in previous shots.
    10 - Colour correction of the whole film to remove the blue tint. The Tantive IVâ(TM)s walls are now white.
    11 - Re-coloured R2â(TM)s dome lights throughout the movie so they match closer to the rest of the saga. The front light now blinks from red to blue.
    12 - Re-edited the Tantive IV corridor battle to fix continuity issues where troopers die more than once.
    13- Added blaster flashes to all blasters that have them missing as they fire.
    14 - Added blast flashes to the troopers where they are hit
    15 - Corrected issues where the blasters flash as if they were fired on set but no laser bolts were present. Added the lasers to fix this throughout.
    16 - Fixed the jump cut where 3PO & R2 cross the corridor on the Tantive IV & the doorway explodes.
    17 - When Vader enters the Tantive IV a Stormtrooper lets go of the head of a dead trooper but that you can see that the actor slowly lowers his head. This has been fixed and the troopers head now drops at speed more like a dead body.
    18 - Added blinking lights to Vaderâ(TM)s chest plate
    19 - Vaderâ(TM)s eyes re-coloured to remove the red tint.
    20 - When 3PO is looking for R2 a trooper falls to the floor behind him as if he has been shot but there is no laser fire. Added some lasers & a flash as the trooper is hit.
    21 - Smoothed / fixed the jump cut as R2 extends his third leg and heads for 3PO & the one where he leaves 3PO
    22 - Fixed the error in the scene where Vader is strangling Antilles the trooper in the background changes position in one shot. Originally his legs are closed and his blaster is in a totally different position.
    23 - Fixed an FX issue when Leia is hit by the stun blaster the glow effect is missing on part of her dress.
    24 - In the scene where R2 presses the button to open the pod door you now see his arm retract
    25 - Re-coloured the interior of the escape pod to blue due to continuity issues in this scene.
    26 - As the escape pod blasts off it now begins to rotate as it does in the rest of the shots
    27 - When the imperial commander says âoehold your fireâ the trajectory of the escape pod has been changed so it is heading downwards and away from the ship instead or just heading straight which caused a continuity error in the next shot as we see the underbelly of the stardestroyer , which means it was heading downwards.
    28 - Changed the stars & stardestroyer view from inside the pod so the ship & stars now recede at different rates
    29 - You now see the escape pod enter the atmosphere of Tatooine.
    30 - Every FX shot has been either touched up or redone in some form or another, but too many t

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    1. Re:Han still shoots first by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Of course that should be Han in Carbonite. I'll turn in my geek card now.

      Incidentally, have Slashdots new overlords starting fixing SlashCode already? I haven't seen a "Slow Down Cowboy" message today so far...

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      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
    2. Re:Han still shoots first by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Eh... I can't deny the crazy awesome amount or quality of work Adywan has put into this edit, and I wish I had as much patience to have made some of those same improvements in my edit, but in some cases I can't help thinking he goes a little bit Lucas.

      Making Tatooine rotate. Adding blinking (and extra) eyes to lizards on Dagobah. Basically things that mostly just scream "look at me, I'm new!" rather than making a positive contribution. I also couldn't agree with his recutting of the Ben/Luke dialogue in Ben's shack. Yes, it does appear that's how the lines were originally shot; but that doesn't mean the original edit wasn't better.

      That, and the unending stream of adoration he received got kinda weird at times.

      But hey, that's the beauty of fan edits, and people said the same of some of the stuff I did. And I'm proud of having played a small part in it:

      So I decided that the original trilogy DVD's need fixing but just never got round to doing it until i was amazed by the ADigitalMan/Darth Editous [me!] Hybrid DVD . I loved it so much i wanted to make my own

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    3. Re:Han still shoots first by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      155 - Chewie now gets a medal

      Hah, all these years and Wookies finally get equality...

    4. Re:Han still shoots first by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Good to meet you, Darth Editous.

      I didn't intend at all to belittle other fan edits. I can't comment on yours at all not having seen it, but I have been impressed with other edit and preservation projects.

      Notwithstanding the hype around Adywan and the much anticipated ESB:Revisited that is approaching the level of Duke Nukem Forever, I have found his edits to be the most, well, thorough that I've come across.

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      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
  38. Get off the lawn! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw the premier too. Crappy small theaters. No surround sound. 57 cent gas is equivalent to $2.13 today. And cars averaged 11-14 miles per gallon.