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Facebook Will Still Back Internet.org Despite Indian Gov't Disdain For Free Basics

Mickeycaskill writes: Facebook boss Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will continue its Internet.org efforts in India, despite one of the initiative's programs – Free Basics – being banned by the country last month. Internet.org hopes to give more people access to the Internet, but India ruled 'Free Basics,' which offers free access to Facebook and selected apps and services violated net neutrality ethics. Speaking at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, Zuckberg said the ban was "disappointing" for Internet.org's mission but hoped other programs such as satellite Internet and drones would be more successful. "It's crazy we're sitting here in 2016 and still, four billion people in the world don't have access to the Internet," he said. "In India we'll focus on different programs. We want to work with all the operators there."

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  1. fuck off zuckerfuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "It's crazy we're sitting here in 2016 and still, four billion people in the world don't have access to the Internet," he said.

    But hes not helping them get access to the internet. He's only getting them access to facebook and facebook sanctioned sites. So the Indian govt is right.

    Also one thing that developing countries dispise is it's citizens getting enslaved to a overseas companies services. So fuck off zuckerfuck. If you really meant what you say about internet access then you would be giving them unrestricted internet to any website including your competitor's.

    1. Re:fuck off zuckerfuck by geekmux · · Score: 1

      "It's crazy we're sitting here in 2016 and still, four billion people in the world don't have access to the Internet," he said.

      But hes not helping them get access to the internet. He's only getting them access to facebook and facebook sanctioned sites. So the Indian govt is right.

      Also one thing that developing countries dispise is it's citizens getting enslaved to a overseas companies services. So fuck off zuckerfuck. If you really meant what you say about internet access then you would be giving them unrestricted internet to any website including your competitor's.

      Mark isn't just owed a "fuck off" for this. Facebook as a corporation should be stripped from any and all associations with net neutrality, since they are clearly demonstrating they cannot even begin to understand the true definition of that, nor would I expect them to given their view of the world through Facebook-colored glasses.

      I mean damn, I thought AOL users were delusional in their own little key-world...

    2. Re:fuck off zuckerfuck by thsths · · Score: 1

      > He's only getting them access to facebook.

      That is correct, but is that necessarily a bad thing?

    3. Re:fuck off zuckerfuck by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      That is correct, but is that necessarily a bad thing?

      Yes. I can think of a lot of other things he could be doing if he really wanted, like helping modernize India. Or you know, basic things like running water to your home, and a toilet that isn't the street running beside your house, or directly into the river...where you're also getting your drinking water.

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    4. Re:fuck off zuckerfuck by Viol8 · · Score: 2

      Sadlhy a lot of people in the 1st world really have no idea what real poverty is and genuinely think that internet access is as important as food, water and sanitation. Their idea of hardship is not being able to tweet for a day.

    5. Re:fuck off zuckerfuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It would be one thing to give cheap/free access to Facebook in a place where unrestricted internet access was already widely available and affordable. However, offering restricted internet access as the only choice keeps other providers from springing up to compete with that service.

      Facebook's project will hold back the spread of internet access to more people, it will delay it. So, yes, in this case, nothing is better.

    6. Re:fuck off zuckerfuck by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Informative

      No one should donate anything

      Some donations are good, some are bad. Mother Teresa objected to foreign medical aid donations because they allowed the government to abrogate responsibility for helping its own citizens. Sometimes when you donate something, you end up reducing its local value to such a degree that you destroy the ability for anyone to produce it locally, which ends up just fostering dependence without doing anything to alleviate the underlying problems.

      But that's irrelevant because we're not talking about donations here, we're talking about illegal cross subsidy. Facebook is not donating money to fund access to the Internet, they are subsidising the sale of devices to access Facebook so that they can sell eyeballs to advertisers. This kind of market distortion is exactly the sort of thing that antitrust laws exist to prevent.

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    7. Re:fuck off zuckerfuck by StillAnonymous · · Score: 1

      You mean 7.4 billion.

    8. Re:fuck off zuckerfuck by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Mother Teresa objected to foreign medical aid donations because they allowed the government to abrogate responsibility for helping its own citizens.

      Mother Teresa objected to palliative pain relief because it interfered with holy suffering, as well. On the other hand, in order to get help from the Gates foundation, you have to sign agreements protecting big pharma to the detriment of your population if you have a real health crisis.

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    9. Re:fuck off zuckerfuck by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      genuinely think that internet access is as important as food, water and sanitation.

      Many people think that because it is true. Per dollar invested, internet access does more to alleviate poverty than any other investment except vaccinations. It promotes literacy, enables farmers to get better prices for their crops, makes it easier for people to buy pumps/toilets/etc, and helps people learn about nutrition and how disease is spread. It makes it easier for people to organize to fight corruption. In many 3rd world countries, the internet greatly lowers financial transaction costs, so people can save and invest for the future.

      The real 1st world prejudice is not thinking the internet is important, but thinking that it is a frivolous luxury.

    10. Re:fuck off zuckerfuck by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      If you really believe that then need to get out there and travel a bit instead of getting all your information about the world online.

      "Per dollar invested, internet access does more to alleviate poverty "

      An economists answer. Sadly having net access does nothing for an empty stomach or a baby dying of disease.

    11. Re:fuck off zuckerfuck by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Sadly having net access does nothing for an empty stomach or a baby dying of disease.

      ... except helping to prevent those problems from happening in the first place.

    12. Re:fuck off zuckerfuck by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      No one should donate anything.

      Out of curiosity, what's your view on welfare payments?

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    13. Re:fuck off zuckerfuck by Tharkkun · · Score: 1

      "It's crazy we're sitting here in 2016 and still, four billion people in the world don't have access to the Internet," he said.

      But hes not helping them get access to the internet. He's only getting them access to facebook and facebook sanctioned sites. So the Indian govt is right.

      Also one thing that developing countries dispise is it's citizens getting enslaved to a overseas companies services. So fuck off zuckerfuck. If you really meant what you say about internet access then you would be giving them unrestricted internet to any website including your competitor's.

      It's almost as crazy as billions of people having no access to clean water. Which is far more important than Facebook.

    14. Re:fuck off zuckerfuck by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      Because none of what you stated was being done before the internet.lol how in gods good name did we get our of the darkages? We went to the moon, grew crops, build toilets, learned about nutrition,create vaccinations,life saving drugs LONG before the internet. And long after its gone.

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    15. Re:fuck off zuckerfuck by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      No one has said that the internet is a 1st world luxury. But if you really want to help people, the internet is way down on the list of things that someone in developing countries actually needs. A baby dying of disease can't eat the internet, it won't give them vaccinations or treatments for that disease either. It won't help the technologically illiterate in any of those cases either, because many of those people who don't have running water or basic sanitation or even food, are in many cases illiterate as well.

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    16. Re:fuck off zuckerfuck by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      The internet can prevent droughts,famines and the spread of disease can it? Do tell us more...

  2. "Disdain" by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    "Disdain"... astroturf much, /.?

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    1. Re:"Disdain" by asvravi · · Score: 1
  3. Stop calling it Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It has nothing to do with Internet. Yes, I know it's supposed to be called "Free Basics", but why the internet.org domain? This is highly disingenuous.

  4. The Facebook Pimp by geekmux · · Score: 2

    ""It's crazy we're sitting here in 2016 and still, four billion people in the world don't have access to the Internet,"

    So Free Basics, eh?

    Mark, I know this is "crazy", but perhaps if you stopped pimping fucking Facebook as "the Internet" , people might be more open to your damn flavor of philanthropy.

    Pisses me off when a billionaire can't afford common sense.

    1. Re:The Facebook Pimp by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Pisses me off when a billionaire can't afford common sense.

      Da Zuck has plenty of common sense . . . he sits back, and asks himself . . . "How did I get to be a billionaire?" . . . "Oh, yeah! Facebook! The more users the better for me!"

      I think Da Zuck is going to pull the whole drug dealer trick in India: give out free samples, and get Indians hooked on Facebook until they determine that they cannot live without Facebook. Then start charging them for it. Facebook will even be able to pin the blame on the Indian Government: "Facebook: We would like to keep continuing to provide a free Internet service, but we are now required to charge a minimal token free for it."

      How many folks live in India these days? Around 1 Billion? Facebook could charge them 1$ a month, and probably still make a tidy profit.

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    2. Re:The Facebook Pimp by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Pisses me off when a billionaire can't afford common sense.

      Well, given that pimping Facebook as "the Internet" consistently seems to have already and will continue to make him extra billions, he probably literally cannot afford* not to do it.

      *Where I use afford not in the "cannot do it without starving" metric, but the "holy fuck, that's a large sum of money for me" metric.

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    3. Re:The Facebook Pimp by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Pisses me off when a billionaire can't afford common sense.

      Well, given that pimping Facebook as "the Internet" consistently seems to have already and will continue to make him extra billions, he probably literally cannot afford* not to do it.

      *Where I use afford not in the "cannot do it without starving" metric, but the "holy fuck, that's a large sum of money for me" metric.

      Heh, you pretty much nailed my underlying meaning there.

  5. Re:Can anyone tell me... by jrumney · · Score: 1

    How is Free Basics going to be implimented?

    As a walled garden of WAP compatible sites, in order to keep the Third World in its third place.

  6. Go take up Zuckerberg's Burden by mvdwege · · Score: 1

    The gall of those Indians to not want a significant part of their population stuck in an American Internet Company Town. How dare they, don't they know that Zuckerberg knows what's good for them?

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  7. Re:Can anyone tell me... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

    Business ethics and net neutrality go hand in hand. In a world where there is plenty of competition in access and content, net neutrality is rarely an issue. But in reality where there are usually only a few ISPs to choose from and some very powerful content providers, there will be a tremendous pressure on ISPs to take money from content providers to limit access to competitors. And it is far worse when the content provider and ISP are one and the same. Which will be the case in Facebook's plan for India.

    This is not the same as your dial up services that limit access. As long as you are free to dial into another service. But imagine your phone company limiting which ISP you're allowed to dial into.

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  8. Wow, who is timothy? by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "Indian government's disdain for free services..."

    Wow. Just wow. Who is timothy and why does he have seemingly untrammelled access to posting slanted stories on Slashdot? Is he the new owner's nome de plume? Got a Facebook connection, or what?

    The facts of matter are internet.org would provide India witha free walled garden Facebook-limited, Facebook-defined, Facebook-mined, Facebook-exploited subset of the real internet. It was nothing but digital colonialism, a new different of reservation for a different kind of indian (and that is most likely how it was joked about within Facebook itself).

    Well, as many have observed lately Slashdot is going down hill. I think *timothy* and his posts pretty well sum up what's wrong with slashdot. It's turned into a tool, aimed at nerds and nerd-influencers, blantantly serving corporate interests, pushing corporate agendas.

    So that's it for me. I can't in good conscience continue to contribute my energy, attention and effort making Slashdot profitable if it's just a tool for Facebook and its ilk to push their propoganda. The internet's a big place (no thanks toFacebook) and I'll find another home.

    As a parting shot and look back to what Slashdot used to be, Stalman gave a great speech less than a month ago about the red hot, immediate danger the so called "unitary patent" being pushed by the corporate coke snorters is posing to software developers all over the globe; basically itspassage means American-style software patents for all nations in the EU. Thought you won that fight? Think again.

    http://techrights.org/2016/01/...

    The action you need to take is to call your representative and tell them this issue is important to you and you are watching it.

    Bye Slashdot.

    1. Re:Wow, who is timothy? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Indian government's disdain for free services..."

      Oh the irony of reaming Timothy while you merrily misquote. It says disdain for "Free Basics", which is the name of the thing Zuckerburg is offering, not "disdain for free services".

      It's not surprising there's disdain for Free Basics: it's not philanthropy, it's a cynical hardware subsidisation scheme by a for profit company for profit.

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    2. Re:Wow, who is timothy? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Timothy, take note. It's "Free Basics" as a term in quotes. If you just write it like two English words, free basics, it could be (and was) taken as a description of the service. Especially in a headline, with its universal capitalization.

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    3. Re:Wow, who is timothy? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Learn.To. Read.

      Oh the irony.

      zuckerfuck's "free services" as s

      You have still proven yourself unable of reading the actual title never mind the summary. Timothy called them "Free Basics" because that's the name of the product. That is not a value judgement on them.

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  9. Fix it for zuck by Maritz · · Score: 2

    "It's crazy we're sitting here in 2016 and still, four billion people in the world don't have access to my creepy data-mining advertisers' database

    ftfy

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  10. The world is new. by duckintheface · · Score: 1

    What do you mean, "net neutrality came too late to make any real difference"? The net was born neutral from the time it was opened to public and commercial interests. And neutrality is the natural state of any communication network. You have to intentionally and continuously work to tilt the internet to special interests. It is being re-claimed in the US even as we speak. Why would India start it's citizens off in a distorted world/

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  11. Re: Why won't you let us... by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

    In many ways it feels like Internet.org is a modern version of CompuServ or AOL, minus the CDs. They served a purpose way back when, but like many I am not sure this is the right approach the today, even in poorer locations. Shared community internet access points would probably make more sense?

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  12. Re: Why won't you let us... by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    Internet.org is a modern version of CompuServ or AOL, minus the CDs

    and plus a plan for world domination

    internet.org is the non-profit equivalent of a Trojan Horse virus

    i'm really proud of India for rejecting this...it's a big win for Net Neutrality

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  13. Download food and clean water! by jmcwork · · Score: 1

    What is crazy is 'the Big Z' is worrying about 4 billion people not having internet access when there still a 'few' people out there that do not have food, clean water, medicine, etc. If he would take some of his and FaceBooks 'net worth' and use it to address some of those problems first, he might gain a little credibility. I believe you should be allowed to make all the money you can (even with something with as little true value as FaceBook, IMO), but if you want to earn some respect, put a little of it too good use, at home and abroad.

  14. Subsidize all Internet by pmontra · · Score: 1

    Hey Mark, how about paying a data connection to everybody and let everybody access any site they like? Then I'll believe you.

    1. Re:Subsidize all Internet by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      Hey Mark, how about paying a data connection to everybody and let everybody access any site they like? Then I'll believe you.

      How about you chip in money son. Then you can talk. He is offering something for free with some limitations. If you want the entire internet then you can pony up the cash and pay for it like everyone else.

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  15. India, more like poodia. by jtrainor · · Score: 1

    Before they start worrying about what kind of internet their populace uses, perhaps the Indian government should do something about modern plumbing in their country. No other country on earth has DESIGNATED SHITTING STREETS in their capital.