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World's First Modular Smart Phone Hits the Market

An anonymous reader writes: Out before the much anticipated Google Modular Phone Project ARA, is a new phone from Fairphone: The Fairphone 2. This phone is claimed to be the the worlds first real modular phone. Fairphone is more than just a phone manufaturer but a social justice movement . Fairphone is a project of Waag Society, Action Aid and Schrijf-Schrijf to raise awareness about conflict minerals in consumer electronics and the wars that the mining of these minerals is fueling in the DR Congo. The Fairphone 2 build consists of 5-inch Full HD LCD screen, Android 5.1 Lollipop,Dual SIM, 4G LTE, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, Qualcomm quad core processor.

139 comments

  1. Waag more by turkeydance · · Score: 2, Funny

    bark less.

  2. Awaiting Awareness by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

    Some awareness that was apparently raised by the creation of this phone about conflict minerals in DR Congo. Awareness not apparently being which minerals, what wars, and what evidence there is that depriving DR Congo of business is going to help them. More importantly, by avoiding conflict minerals, what is being sacrificed to make this phone: you don't get something for nothing.

    I know I know, I should just "know". But I don't, and I'm not going to google it and deal with all the hipster shit either, I want facts and primary sources that at least try not to sound like Sally Struthers. That's awareness. A phone is a phone.

    1. Re:Awaiting Awareness by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The entire thing is a joke. The phone is made in China in the same factories and suppliers as other phones. The difference is that their suppliers say "sure, we only use tungsten from Colorado, not from the Congo". And the hipsters fly home happy.

    2. Re:Awaiting Awareness by ClickOnThis · · Score: 0

      The entire thing is a joke. The phone is made in China in the same factories and suppliers as other phones. The difference is that their suppliers say "sure, we only use tungsten from Colorado, not from the Congo". And the hipsters fly home happy.

      Well, before we get too dismissive, let's look at what they say on their website.

      When selecting a production partner to make the Fairphone, we decided to focus on creating positive impact in regions in which the electronics supply chain is most active.

      China is one of the most important countries for consumer electronics production, especially for devices with labor-intensive production processes. Our goal is to establish collaborative, mutually beneficial, and transparent relationships with our manufacturers to ensure worker representation, safe working conditions and fair pay.

      We choose our production partners based on their willingness to work on social and environmental performance, as well as adhere to our technological requirements. A focus on social innovation, a willingness to invest in worker welfare and a commitment to transparency on activities is an essential part of a relationship to grow business together and create value based on mutual gain. With the production partners we engage with directly, we will assess conditions at the factory and identify any areas that need improvement. These initial assessments of the working conditions are a first step in creating a relationship to assess and work on improvements together, before moving forward toward more disruptive interventions. We are diving into the supply chain step-by-step, starting first with our assembly partner and then moving in a tiered approach to investigate every step of the chain.

      That sounds like more of an effort than just checking where the tungsten comes from.

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    3. Re:Awaiting Awareness by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Here watch a video (snigger) on slashdot instead, provides a quality explanation of the phone in it's entirety https://www.youtube.com/watch?..., you'll have to read the subtitles. Personally I find it pretty interesting and a worthwhile phone.

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    4. Re:Awaiting Awareness by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Sure, boss, we are willing to work on social end environmental performance with you. When is the check coming, gweilo?"

    5. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      besides that.. and you know, it's nice to know a company cares about where its materials are coming from.. but it's much much more than just that...

      you can break this phone down, replace individual components, and put it back together again.. YOURSELF.. in MINUTES (or less, apparently)... it's a USER REPAIRABLE PHONE FOR FUCKS SAKE.. THAT'S AWESOME.

      here's hoping the company is around long enough so that replacement and upgrade components are a) available, and b) actually needed because they have a user base.

    6. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Maow · · Score: 0

      The entire thing is a joke.

      [Citation Needed]

      The difference is that their suppliers say "sure, we only use tungsten from Colorado, not from the Congo". And the hipsters fly home happy.

      Ya know, there's a bunch of links right there in the fucking article explaining how they try to ensure their products are sourced ethically.

      Something the large manufacturers often took heat for not doing enough of.

      Oh dear, seems they're not alone, all publicly listed companies in the USA are required by law to report:

      The mining and trading of tungsten has been associated with financing local armed groups in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and adjoining countries. For this reason, tungsten is identified by a US law – the Dodd Frank Act – as a conflict mineral. Companies that are publicly listed in the US have to report on their use of the minerals tin, tantalum, tungsten and gold and the measures taken to prevent supporting conflict in the African Great Lakes Region.

      I mean, they are giving people a chance to put their money where their mouths are:

      Why focus on sourcing tungsten from Rwanda? In short, we want to transform and improve sourcing from the African Great Lakes Region.

      I see no problem with this in an initial TFA.

      You don't care how much fuckery is used to produce your electronics, good for you, be proud of being a douche. Buy something else.

      But I find it commendable that someone's at least trying to do business in a "win-win" manner.

      Finally, for the record, the tungsten is sourced from Rwanda.

    7. Re:Awaiting Awareness by dpidcoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I couldn't care less about all of the "fair trade minerals" or "conflict free tungsten" or whatever. Not that I'm for using slave labor in mines or against having livable wages at factories that aren't deathtraps, but I think promoting that through buying an expensive phone is a useless feel-good measure best left for hipsters trying to assuage their 1st world guilt.

      That said, I really hate how the current phone market is trying to make phones into fashion accessories that you throw out after you get tired of them in 6 months. I build my own PCs to last through several upgrades before they get to the point where I feel the need to scrap the entire thing and get a new one. My current motherboard and case are bordering on 6 years old, ram was 4 years old when I last upgraded, I'm on my 2nd CPU, 3rd video card, and 4th primary hdd. I upgrade often enough that almost all of the parts that didn't flat out fail have filtered down to other systems (and often other systems after that). I see no reason why cell phones can't work the same way, and think it's great that fairphone is attempting to make something that's modular and easily fixable/upgradable. Hopefully it'll take off enough that it encourages other manufacturers to do similar things with modular phone design.

    8. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Maow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A further initiative these guys are taking that I fully endorse: and end to the so-called "land-fill Android" syndrome:

      Extending the lifespan of your mobile phone

      we’d like to encourage you to keep your existing mobile as long as it works. If you do buy Fairphone, we’re selling spare parts and offering repair tutorials to help make your phone useful for as long as possible, plus adding features like dual SIM to make the phones more attractive on the secondhand marketplace. We’re also working with partners to set up projects in Ghana to improve local waste collection efforts and transport discarded phones to Europe for safe recycling. Finally, our Take Back Program helps ensure that your old mobile phone is reused or properly recycled.

      That's pretty great really. What's not to like about that?

    9. Re:Awaiting Awareness by aaronb1138 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's the vegan of phones. Terrible specs at the price point at that.

    10. Re:Awaiting Awareness by 110010001000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because manufacturing doesn't work that way. Their Chinese supplier makes their phone. The supplier supplies the electronics and the raw materials. It isn't like Fairphone sends them a shipment of tungsten saying "hey use this to make our phone". It is just a bunch of hipsters with a gimmick.

    11. Re:Awaiting Awareness by 110010001000 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Because it is silly in practice. I can get iPhone parts on ebay and "repair" my phone. Go check their shop. You can find iPhone equivalents on ebay. And think about it: if the phone is upgradable, why isn't the Fairphone 2 upgradeable from the Fairphone 1??? Christ, the stupidity never ends.

    12. Re:Awaiting Awareness by 110010001000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can do replace individual components with an iPhone too with parts off of ebay. Oh and why isn't the Fairphone2 available as an "upgrade" for the Fairphone1? You just need to "plug in" the upgrade, right?

    13. Re:Awaiting Awareness by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can do replace individual components with an iPhone too with parts off of ebay.

      Oh, really?

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    14. Re:Awaiting Awareness by 110010001000 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes you can. You can replace the same number of components on the iPhone as you can the Fairphone. How do you think the hundreds of iphone repair shops do it? I can't believe people fall for this kind of stuff.

    15. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Compuser · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I want my phone to do messaging, read email, browse the web, call people, I want it as a portable gps and basic camera and maybe a calculator and a flashlight. All these have been available on very old phones, all of these do not tax the processor even back to Snapdragon 800.
      There has been zero reason to upgrade a phone for the last three years at least. Of course, as soon as phones become capable of actual computing (running real applications, running multiple displays, interfacing with external storage, burn blu ray disks, and print to generic printers) I will upgrade. Until then... why?

    16. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You suck at reading bullshit. There is nothing concrete in that quote.

      Goals are something you'd like to reach. They aren't things you're currently doing. You never need to reach a goal.
      Willingness to work on something means nothing. I'm willing to give everyone in the world a million dollars, but I'll never do so.
      A commitment to transparency isn't a plan. It's a 'we'll make a committee and never let anything useful come out of the meetings'.
      "production partners we engage with directly" means no one. They can define "engage with directly" however they want.
      Identifying areas that needs improvement doesn't mean improving them.
      They're going to create worthless assessments as the first step in a process to create a policy of creating more worthless assessments before making changes that might have an impact on something.
      They're going to look at each step of the production line, ignoring how it fits in with all the other steps, and see how they can make that step more profitable by itself. Then they might actually make a change to make it more profitable. "Investigate" has no promise of action and they don't even say what they're investigating for. You will assume they're investigating what you want them to investigate and someone with different ideals will read the same paragraph and believe they're investigating what that person wants investigating.

      You shouldn't read anything released by a corporation. It's all meaningless and will damage your brain.

    17. Re:Awaiting Awareness by KGIII · · Score: 1

      > That sounds like more of an effort than just checking where the tungsten comes from.

      Yes, yes that does sound like it. However... I've actually written a lot of proposals. I gotta tell you, you should look at what those words really mean.

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    18. Re:Awaiting Awareness by driftingOn · · Score: 2

      The new iteration of the phone has upgraded almost every component. If you want the specs of the new phone, it makes no sense to upgrade the old one since almost the entire phone would be changed. "[T]he stupidity never ends"...

    19. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Maow · · Score: 2

      Because it is silly in practice.

      We've never had a modular phone "in practice".

       

      I can get iPhone parts on ebay and "repair" my phone.

      Problem is, usually requires some specialty tools, depending on the phone.

      The battery is straightforward to access. Removing it requires a proprietary pentalobe screwdriver and knowledge of the adhesive removal technique, but is not difficult.

      The iPhone 6s still uses proprietary Pentalobe screws on the exterior, requiring a specialty screwdriver to remove.

      And think about it: if the phone is upgradable, why isn't the Fairphone 2 upgradeable from the Fairphone 1???

      Because this version is modular, do you understand what that word means?

      Christ, the stupidity never ends.

      Yes, and if you'd shut up there'd be less of it.

    20. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Maow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because manufacturing doesn't work that way. Their Chinese supplier makes their phone. The supplier supplies the electronics and the raw materials. It isn't like Fairphone sends them a shipment of tungsten saying "hey use this to make our phone".

      Citation needed, again.

      How the fuck do you know how their setup works? You haven't provided a single link to support your bullshit; you probably haven't even looked at their site.

      Put up a link or shut up. Fairphone has put up claims, feel free to debunk them if you have anything other than bullshit:

      Starting with the production of the Fairphone 1, we worked with Solutions for Hope to source conflict-free tantalum from the DRC. They established a closed-pipe supply chain (including mines, smelters and manufacturers) to provide greater transparency and supply conflict-free minerals from regions experiencing ongoing conflict. For the Fairphone 2, we will continue to support buying tantalum through Solutions for Hope. This initiative uses a mass balance model of traceability, which means that conflict-free tantalum from the DRC is mixed with conflict-free tantalum from other sources at the smelter. The resulting blend will be used in the capacitors in our latest phone.

      It is just a bunch of hipsters with a gimmick.

      No, it's a bunch of whiny, cynical assholes bitching because someone is making an effort to provide consumers choice - a choice that whiny, cynical assholes don't want to look into in the slightest, never mind a choice they'd make.

      Fine, if you don't want one no one cares. But just because someone shat in your cereal, don't have a whinefest about someone else making an effort.

    21. Re:Awaiting Awareness by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      far more suppliers for iphone parts than fairphone2 modules i reckon.

      if they had different shells available.. small, big, laptop looking and a core unit or something.. that would be modular.

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    22. Re:Awaiting Awareness by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes you can. You can replace the same number of components on the iPhone as you can the Fairphone. How do you think the hundreds of iphone repair shops do it? I can't believe people fall for this kind of stuff.

      I saw what you did there. You're moving the goalposts.

      Obviously a legitimate, Apple-approved repair shop can fix your phone without bricking it.

      Per the article I linked to -- which you ignored -- repair shops that use unapproved Apple parts can permanently brick an iPhone.

      And you're saying a consumer can fix their iPhone with parts they just buy off eBay? Yeah, good luck with that.

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    23. Re: Awaiting Awareness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apple released a fix for this issue days after it made the media.

    24. Re: Awaiting Awareness by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple released a fix for this issue days after it made the media.

      Oh dear ... AC, it appears you're right:

      http://www.techtimes.com/artic...
      http://www.techtimes.com/artic...

      Sorry, 110010001000.

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    25. Re: Awaiting Awareness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the commonality of douche attitude like yours that means that the only way the current rich nation fucking poor nation order can be fixed is with a bloody revolution that ends with the death of you and your spoiled brat kids.

    26. Re:Awaiting Awareness by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      You suck at reading bullshit. There is nothing concrete in that quote.

      It's more concrete than 110010001000's baseless claim that the company just does a perfunctory check on where the tungsten comes from. Which was my point.

      They're going to create worthless assessments as the first step in a process to create a policy of creating more worthless assessments before making changes that might have an impact on something. They're going to look at each step of the production line, ignoring how it fits in with all the other steps, and see how they can make that step more profitable by itself. Then they might actually make a change to make it more profitable. "Investigate" has no promise of action and they don't even say what they're investigating for. You will assume they're investigating what you want them to investigate and someone with different ideals will read the same paragraph and believe they're investigating what that person wants investigating.

      More baseless claims. We'll just have to wait and see whether the company lives up to its own ideals.

      You shouldn't read anything released by a corporation. It's all meaningless and will damage your brain.

      Thank you for your concern. My brain is fine. And I'm not naïve: I know that companies put fluffy, feel-good tripe in their propaganda. Unlike the others in this thread, I'm willing to give this company the chance to show what they're made of, instead of dismissing them out of hand.

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    27. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uh, I do that now with my nexus 4. Not a big deal. What needs to happen is having the ability to swap new parts in and out, not just replacing one.
      To be honest, this phone is a fucking joke.

    28. Re:Awaiting Awareness by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Don't bring logic to a hate-fight - it's wasted here.

    29. Re: Awaiting Awareness by prefec2 · · Score: 1

      They have all the details in their website including a cost breakdown, a list of sources, what they do for the workers in China etc. They would have built it in Europe, but there are no factories for phones in Europe.

      You post is not insightful it is uninformed.

    30. Re: Awaiting Awareness by prefec2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The goal of fairphone is not to sell many phones. Instead their primary goals are to make the production process of phones transparent, show how things can be improved for humans and environment in all steps from resources to assembly, and they have encourage you to use your phone longer. Exactly what you want. The fp2 should even last longer than the first.

    31. Re: Awaiting Awareness by prefec2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This exactly what FP promotes. The best what you can do for laborer and the environment, use the phone as long as possible.

    32. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should RTFHeadline? The Fairphone 2 is touted as "the first modular phone".

      Nothing modular about the Fairphone 1, so no upgrade.

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    33. Re:Awaiting Awareness by jandersen · · Score: 1

      The entire thing is a joke. The phone is made in China in the same factories and suppliers as other phones. The difference is that their suppliers say "sure, we only use tungsten from Colorado, not from the Congo". And the hipsters fly home happy.

      Perhaps - it seems likely that there is a hefty dollop of cynically targeting an audience to whom these issues matter, quite possibly the same people who buy "health food" and follow fad diets. However, it is clear that these issues are increasingly important for people's choices, and if this trend steers business towards sourcing their materials and their production methods more ethically and sustainably, then I am all for it, because it may have the effect of inspiring the less ethical producers to do better.

      What I don't understand is this oppressive bitterness which insists that anything and anybody must be equally bitter and cynical. Misery loves company, it seems; but people are not idiotic tree-huggers and hipsters just because they think nature is worth protecting, or because they are able to see a wider connection. Your attitude reminds me of an old Beatles song: "Mean Mr Mustard" (Oops, sorry, my idiotic, tree-hugging, bleeding heart socialist hipster background shines through)

    34. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Exactly like that.

      https://www.fairphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Fairphone-Hi-P-Social-Assessment-Program.pdf

      TAOS identified several issues regarding daily health and safety operations on the workfloor. The emergency evacuation routes, fire safety and necessary preventative measures were not all compliant as prescribed in applicable national and international regulations. For example, some exit doors did not swing outward (to allow for easier exit) and others were missing exit signs. Workers handling heat guns for small repairs were not wearing the required safety carbon masks. Also, insulated gloves and one area where chemicals are used had no eye wash station nor in some cases were there posted explanatory posters of material safety data sheets (MSDS). On the other hand, the assessment brought up systemic challenges that are recurring in the electronics industry. Most notable to us from the sample records of May to September 2014 show that working hours exceeded 60 hours per week when production schedules were tight and there was a reported instance when some workers worked 28 days without a day off in July 2014. In addition to that, the workforce composition shows that an excessive portion of workers is not directly hired by Hi-P but are agency workers that are recruited by labor agencies.

      Working with labor agencies assumes that agency workers don’t benefit fully from the employment relationship. Hi-P has less control to provide agency workers with continuous job security since the employment relationship is held by the agency.

      After reviewing payroll records and interviews with workers, TAOS confirmed that workers are compensated at monthly rates and that the base wage, at RMB 1530, complies with the local minimum wage requirement. Take-home wages, which are comprised of the base wage, a performance bonus, overtime wage, job subsidy, as well as meal and night shift allowances, are higher and range between 2700 and 3700/month. This is after deduction of a social insurance contribution. Overtime is compensated according to labor law and both agency workers – who are paid through agencies – and direct-hire workers are provided with the legally mandated benefits including social insurance and paid leave and holidays.

      The last point to highlight is the critical issue of genuine and effective worker representation. The facility has a Worker Representative Congress (WRC), suggestion boxes and an open-membership labor union, but the interviews indicate that workers feel that the issues they raise are not always acted upon by management in a satisfactory way to workers. Also, not all workers that are recruited by labor agencies say to have been properly informed about the option to join the site’s labor union.

      Partnership improvement and worker empowerment

      We take the above-mentioned findings seriously and they require strong commitment and follow-up monitoring both by Hi-P and Fairphone. For most of the issues, especially those relating to daily operations and health and safety, Hi-P worked with TAOS following the weeks after the assessment to create a list of actions to address them. Many of the issues mentioned above have by now been addressed by Hi-P. Fairphone will follow-up on these actions and update the status of each issue with accompanying sources for verification in the Improvement Plan.

      Following up on the first assessment, Fairphone team members, most often our project manager Mulan, are regularly on-site to monitor progress. Lastly, TAOS will make additional unannounced follow-up visits to validate the status over the course of our partnership.

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    35. Re: Awaiting Awareness by shortscruffydave · · Score: 1

      Apple released a fix for this issue days after it made the media.

      Apple released a fix for this because it made the media.

    36. Re:Awaiting Awareness by MobyDisk · · Score: 1
    37. Re:Awaiting Awareness by shawn2772 · · Score: 2

      A further initiative these guys are taking that I fully endorse: and end to the so-called "land-fill Android" syndrome

      I don't see anything about the other big cause of land-fill Android syndrome: software updates. Are they also going to update the phone to new OS versions for a decade or so?

    38. Re:Awaiting Awareness by slashping · · Score: 1

      Because this version is modular, do you understand what that word means?

      Yes, it means when you want a better phone, you'd have to upgrade all the parts rather than just one phone.

    39. Re:Awaiting Awareness by slashping · · Score: 1

      No, it's a bunch of whiny, cynical assholes bitching because someone is making an effort to provide consumers choice - a choice that whiny, cynical assholes don't want to look into in the slightest, never mind a choice they'd make.

      Offering the choice between conflict and non-conflict minerals to the consumer is like pushing on a rope. The conflict in Congo should be solved by the people there, not by cell phone consumers. Even if the demand for conflict minerals for cell phones dries up, other people will be more than happy to buy the cheaper minerals, and use them for other purposes, or find a way to resell them as non-conflict minerals.

    40. Re:Awaiting Awareness by b0bby · · Score: 1

      I don't see a reason right now to upgrade from my 2013 Moto X, since I don't see any phones out there with any compelling advantages. However, there are a number of issues with responsiveness, usability and voice recognition which, if they were addressed, would cause me to switch. If I could be using Waze and reliably tell my phone to open Pandora and pick a station, or have it actually get my spoken texts right more than 50%, those are the types of things I'd be looking for. It's that kind of stuff which requires more processing power and better software, and I'm sure that in a couple of years something will come out which does everything I want.

    41. Re: Awaiting Awareness by MrKrillls · · Score: 1

      Right - but only after a massive internet howl started smashing apple's myth of user friendliness. The most valuable part of apple is the myth that they care. Lose that myth and they are just one more big company. The stance on encryption - which I am happy to see - was a great opportunity for them to encourage a change of subject away from the bricking issue.

      They want the profits that come from "factory authorized" repair. That's why they make proprietary fasteners that make it difficult for others to do what should be simple fixes. Look up pentalobe fastener. Apple hoped to choke off any chance for indie repair shops to be able to fix iphones, but people started making and selling pentalobe screwdrivers despite apple's attempts to stop the trade.

      This fairphone gives the appearance of genuine user friendliness and user repairability. Easy safe access to the internals; easy replacement...

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    42. Re:Awaiting Awareness by chispito · · Score: 1

      Offering the choice between conflict and non-conflict minerals to the consumer is like pushing on a rope. The conflict in Congo should be solved by the people there, not by cell phone consumers. Even if the demand for conflict minerals for cell phones dries up, other people will be more than happy to buy the cheaper minerals, and use them for other purposes, or find a way to resell them as non-conflict minerals.

      It's not about making a difference, it's about selling the illusion of making a difference.

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    43. Re:Awaiting Awareness by slashping · · Score: 1

      Exactly. That's why they sell cups of "fair trade" coffee at a 25 cent mark up per cup, and then end up giving the poor coffee farmer 25 cents more per pound.

    44. Re: Awaiting Awareness by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      Your opinion is fascinating, but appears to have no basis in the post you're responding to.

    45. Re:Awaiting Awareness by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      There has been zero reason to upgrade a phone for the last three years at least.

      That's sort of what I'm getting at. I still have my nexus4, which is the first smartphone I ever bought. It does everything I usually do just fine, though lately it's been running hot and the ability to use wifi becomes more and more degraded with each new android update. At this point I'm sure it'll be a software update obsoleting some component of my phone rather than a hardware failure that causes me to replace it. The ability to replace individual components would solve that, as I could just replace the one module instead of the entire phone.

    46. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Zaowulf · · Score: 1

      Get out of here with your sense-making!

    47. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Maow · · Score: 1

      A further initiative these guys are taking that I fully endorse: and end to the so-called "land-fill Android" syndrome

      I don't see anything about the other big cause of land-fill Android syndrome: software updates. Are they also going to update the phone to new OS versions for a decade or so?

      Excellent point.

      I went looking, and I saw this rather disappointing post, indicating they were reliant on MediaTek and then the manufacturer (with a link off to HTC's explanation of what's involved with the updating process from a couple years ago).

      Now, that was talking about the old version 1, not this release.

      I sure hope they've come up with a better solution this time around. Perhaps they should have gone with something like CyanogenMod pre-installed, but that would mean no Gapps which itself would cause them hassles when customers complained.

      Regardless, 10 years would be great, but as it stands now, 10 months is often more than manufacturers support, they don't need to offer 10 years.

      Isn't Nexus guaranteed only 18 months of updates, and if owners get updates after that, lucky them?

    48. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Maow · · Score: 1

      Some awareness that was apparently raised by the creation of this phone about conflict minerals in DR Congo. Awareness not apparently being which minerals, what wars, and what evidence there is that depriving DR Congo of business is going to help them.

      Sigh. They're not depriving DRC of business:

      Focus on the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) to buy from local initiatives, increase employment for small-scale miners and contribute to economic development and regional stability.

      More importantly, by avoiding conflict minerals, what is being sacrificed to make this phone: you don't get something for nothing.

      Probably money - it's not a cheap phone. It gives people a chance to vote with their dollars / Euros, etc.

      I know I know, I should just "know". But I don't, and I'm not going to google it and deal with all the hipster shit either, I want facts and primary sources that at least try not to sound like Sally Struthers. That's awareness.

      Not that you should "just know", but you should click the link to TFA (no need to even Google it) before spewing uninformed ad hominems and sounding stupid.

      It's the new hip thing to remain wilfully ignorant and smug.

      A phone is a phone.

      And a car is a car, food is food, blah blah blah.

    49. Re:Awaiting Awareness by shawn2772 · · Score: 1

      Isn't Nexus guaranteed only 18 months of updates, and if owners get updates after that, lucky them?

      Two years of platform upgrades from release date, or 18 months after the last device is sold from the play store, whichever is longer.

      Three years of security updates from release date, or 30 months after the last device is sold from the play store, whichever is longer.

    50. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI: I wasn't using "You" personally in that last statement. It was a general "you" for everybody.

    51. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Maow · · Score: 1

      Because this version is modular, do you understand what that word means?

      Yes, it means when you want a better phone, you'd have to upgrade all the parts rather than just one phone.

      Or it means when new spectrum becomes available, whether former analogue TV, or new LTE, or new WiFi, you just swap the SoC module and have access to them.

      If one travels frequently and depends on frequencies significantly different than home location, swap SoC and SIM.

      Also allows swappable camera modules.

    52. Re:Awaiting Awareness by slashping · · Score: 1

      Usually, after a few years of owning a phone, the battery won't charge as well, the case is damaged, the screen is scratched or cracked, the CPU is slow, the memory is lacking, the OS is no longer supported, and the peripherals don't support the latest standards. In other words: it's time for a delicious treat that is a brand new phone.

    53. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      I don't see anything about the other big cause of land-fill Android syndrome: software updates. Are they also going to update the phone to new OS versions for a decade or so?

      Although they're no longer selling the Fairphone 1 they've recently finished a big operation to get hold of the licenses to allow them to make new software releases for it.

      https://www.fairphone.com/2015/09/16/long-term-software-support-fairphone-1/

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    54. Re:Awaiting Awareness by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Citation needed, again.

      How the fuck do you know how their setup works? You haven't provided a single link to support your bullshit; you probably haven't even looked at their site.

      Wow do you moderate wikipedia?

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  3. I like the pic near the bottom of the page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice clean, bright Fairphone shirts, being washed in the that nice clean water in the background. And that nostalgic phone!

  4. I have one by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I use my Fairphone in my hugcircle in my safe space. Where do you use yours?

  5. PDF Warning by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

    "social justice movement" is a link to a PDF.

    1. Re:PDF Warning by slashping · · Score: 1

      Thank you captain obvious.

  6. Polite Applause Due by retroworks · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They are trying to do what we wish all manufacturers would do, make devices repairable, upgradeable, and built of sustainable raw materials.

    I truly hope they will succeed, but they have to make something competitive with manufacturers that don't tie a hand behind their backs, because cheaper phones make more profits, and more profits make better phones. I trade with the Good Enough Markets (Africa, South America, Asia) and the buyers of used phones want whatever is the best phone for the least cost. The minute they make some compromise that reduces quality and value, they will lose scaleability and traction. To achieve value, you must achieve scale of production, and that requires a wee bit of ruthlessness.

    Good Luck, Fair Phone Guys. Don't try to be perfect, just be better.

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    1. Re:Polite Applause Due by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good Luck, Fair Phone Guys. Don't try to be perfect, just be better.

      Sadly, luck should have nothing to do with an industry that should be slapped the fuck around hard for the damage they're doing to this planet.

      Phones are quickly becoming like desktops or laptops where we don't need them to be any better or faster with every iteration, and are technically capable of lasting for years. Greed submits to alternate designs, and that cheap, damaging shit should be illegal.

    2. Re:Polite Applause Due by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bigger question, of course, is will they have the FBI Seal of Approval?

    3. Re: Polite Applause Due by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately I don't see them succeeding commercially. It's not possible to do fairly what your competitors do by cheating. How could they possibly match the prices per specs of the likes of Samsung but pay more for their inputs? Not possible without government intervention to level the playing field for companies who refuse to use the fruits of exploitation.

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    4. Re: Polite Applause Due by Halo1 · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately I don't see them succeeding commercially. It's not possible to do fairly what your competitors do by cheating. How could they possibly match the prices per specs of the likes of Samsung but pay more for their inputs? Not possible without government intervention to level the playing field for companies who refuse to use the fruits of exploitation.

      They indeed don't/can't compete on price. Nevertheless, until now they're doing pretty well. Keep in mind this is already the second iteration of the Fairphone (they sold about 100k Fairphone 1's), and that the Fairphone 2 required a lot more upfront capital to design and manufacture than the first one (they designed more themselves, are doing larger production runs with more expensive components, ...). This means that their business model is, or at least until now has been, financially sustainable and they are growing (they did start with some subsidies and incubator capital, but then again, which business does not). And that is actually the point they are trying to prove: that there is a market for products where the focus is not just on features and price, but also on sustainability in the broadest sense of the word.

      Their main goal is not to make or sell phones. Their goal is to change the electronics industry from the inside out by setting an example. I.e., it's the opposite of all of the hipster nonsense being spouted here by probably largely the same people that are whining all the time that their living standard is threatened by cheap H-1Bs. At least the Fairphone people are actually doing things, such as setting up worker representation committees in the factories they use.

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  7. Reminds Me of a Toy I Had by LuxuryYacht · · Score: 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    I wonder how many times you can put this phone back together?

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  8. Really modular? by Dracos · · Score: 2

    Swapping out internal components is one thing, but when I think of a modular phone I envision one of the modules being a full hardware QUERTY keyboard.

    Sigh... nope.

    1. Re:Really modular? by aaronb1138 · · Score: 1

      Closest might be the HP Elite x3 if you get the laptop dock. I'm only half joking.

    2. Re:Really modular? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is it possible to misspell QWERTY?
      Or maybe you really want a QUERTY keyboard, good luck with that.

    3. Re:Really modular? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Maybe he has a dvorak keyboard?

      In which case, please give me a hardware dvorak keyboard, please.

  9. Good luck with all those pogo pins by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

    If you actually use this phone in the real world, it will be glitching like an old school Nintendo game when dust, dirt and corrosion get between the contacts of all the "modular" components.

    Honestly, every time I've ever purchased a newer mobile device, the old one seemed to have become equally deficient across all its specs - RAM, flash storage, screen size/quality, and camera resolution/quality. I've never once thought "Gee, it's awesome to be rocking Ice Cream Sandwich, a 480x800 3.7" display, 512MB RAM, a 1GHz single core CPU, and 8GB of flash, but man - this 8MP camera sure is killin' me!"

    Sure, repairability is a nice feature, but it's not difficult to replace the display assembly on a modern iPhone (I've done it myself, and it takes less than 5 minutes if you've got the proper tools). You're likely looking at an entire replacement phone anyway if you've killed the motherboard (example: water damage), or smashed the housing up too badly (fell in a blender, 50' drop, etc.)

    Spec wise, this seems similar to the unlocked Blu phones Best Buy sells. If you're not making a "flagship killer", you're caught in a very competitive race to the bottom. I get that this is supposed to be better for the Earth or conflict regions where rare earths are mined, but there's got to be a way to ease your conscience without such pathetic hardware specs.

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    1. Re:Good luck with all those pogo pins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haven't done many smart phone repairs have you? 90% I've repaired used contacts just like the fairphone for things like the speakers, camera modules, headphone jacks... Intel CPUs from the last decade wave used a contact connection for the socket.

      contact connection != exposed tinned aluminium pins on an edge connector from the 80s left in the care of children.

    2. Re:Good luck with all those pogo pins by JazzLad · · Score: 1

      Oh, sure it it, I regularly have to unplug my computer mouse and blow on the plug to get it to work. /s

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  10. Will it run Replicant or another fully-open load? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Will it run Replicant (or another fully-open set of code)?

    I want a phone where all the code, even the radio and other driver code, is open, to minimize hiding places for spy- and other malware.

    Down with binary blobs. (Especially things like radio binary blobs which are later found to have access to the file system.)

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  11. I like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Modular, designed to be repaired, ongoing work to support other operating systems.

    What I don't like:

    Baseband does not support US LTE frequencies
    Ultra liberal vibe is a little over the top

  12. Poor support for 3G/4G bands used in the Americas by gaiageek · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just in case anyone in the US or elsewhere in the Americas is considering one of these, know that you won't get any LTE reception, and in the US, you'll only get 3G reception on the 1900 band used by AT&T or (in some places) by T-Mobile. It doesn't support AT&T's 850 band and or T-Mobile's 1700 (AWS) band.

    In short, this is designed by Europeans, for Europeans.

  13. There is another - Apple by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    Apple iPhones are very close to being Conflict Material Free, if that's your bag...

    Just sayin'.

    How is this company auditing suppliers?

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    1. Re:There is another - Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple iPhones are very close to being Conflict Material Free, if that's your bag...

      Just sayin'.

      How is this company auditing suppliers?

      Kudos to you for engaging the tech part of this story - you know, how to build a massively successful consumer technology product while trying to ensure your supply chain does not contribute to war (Apple). Shocker, the klansmen of /. enraged at the mere mention of the words "social justice."

      If you actually look at the links (I know, I must be new here) you'll see Fairphone doing some interesting auditing work by partnering with an outfit called Solutions for Hope (http://solutions-network.org/site-sfhtantalum/), who has posted their entire process online complete with links to independent auditing (http://solutions-network.org/site-sfhtantalum/event/baseline-due-diligence-conducted/). Not sure how this differs from Apple but that would be an interesting comparison.

      Interestingly Solutions for Hope's plan seems to be to engage where conflict minerals actually are being sold and divert that labor and supply to non-conflict mines, transforming war economies into tech supply economies (http://solutions-network.org/site-sfhtantalum/factsheet/). This is a pretty cool idea that all of us techies should be on board with. Sad that white racists are as vocal as they are on /. It's a shame when something cool like this is happening in your industry and all you can do is crack jokes about how the liberal-fag-monsters are threatening to hug you to death. +5 Insightful, here we go /s

  14. wrong direction by supernova87a · · Score: 2

    Two points:

    1. Several commentators elsewhere have noted that "blood minerals", like "blood diamonds", are not the root cause of the problem of violence and slavery in such countries. Social and governmental upheaval and disorder are the root issue, that will not be solved just by banning these commodities. Take away blood minerals, and the people of the regions affected by these problems will still have conflicts, just around some other valuable materials. The commodities for phones merely serve as the current vehicle for the conflict to be manifested. Much as college students want that to be the quick fix, by boycotting one thing, that will not solve the problem.

    2. The second point is that frequently the best thing that can be done to control and regulate the impacts of a commodity / mining / illicit trading / etc is that the sourcing of it is more concentrated, responsible in fewer entities or companies, who can be clearly identified. Apple in this regard has done more as the responsible party for sourcing hundreds of millions of iPhones and documenting their environmental / social impact than any other small phone maker. In fact, I might suggest that the more you incentivize small, local shops to make their own special version of a phone, the more opportunity there is for exploitation and inconsistency from your humanitarian vision.

    There are lots of downsides to the commodities and technologies needed to supply our gadgets, but given that demand is not going to be the level to be pulled here, I don't buy that this movement will solve them.

    1. Re:wrong direction by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I've had the chance to do some travel and some of that travel has taken me into conflict areas. I am no expert but, in my opinion, taking away the ability to earn at least a little money is only going to hurt the mostly innocent bystanders. It's not like they're gonna be running out of bullets and guns any time soon - no matter how much money you don't give 'em. One thing I've noticed (and I've been places where the State Department somehow gets my number and calls me to warn me and tell me that they'll be of no help) is that they've got plenty of firearms and loads of ammunition.

      If "Mathew" or "Gabriel" (some of them seem keen on Biblical names in this specific area) can afford a dozen ammo boxes - and he's got not a whole hell of a lot and isn't even a member of a militia or even a militant, then I think they'll be able to keep this going for quite a while despite us not buying their minerals.

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    2. Re:wrong direction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really think that diamond cartels ('concentrated sourcing') helped people avoid blood diamonds? IIRC, non-cartel sources from Canada were the go-tos for ethical buyers.

    3. Re:wrong direction by Maow · · Score: 1

      There are lots of downsides to the commodities and technologies needed to supply our gadgets, but given that demand is not going to be the level to be pulled here, I don't buy that this movement will solve them.

      And I'm pretty sure they're not deluded enough to think they alone will solve the issues.

      But, judging by the number of (often snarky) comments one hears about our electronics being built by child labour and the like, it seems there could be a market for ethically sourced products.

      And if there isn't, that's more a failure on everyone else but Fairphone really. We'll bitch, whine, joke, whatever about the terrible conditions in the factories and mines, but won't make the slightest sacrifice to do something - anything - about it.

    4. Re:wrong direction by Maow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      in my opinion, taking away the ability to earn at least a little money is only going to hurt the mostly innocent bystanders.

      It looks like they're still putting money into poverty stricken areas:

      Promoting conflict-free tungsten exports from Rwanda

      Conflict-free tin from the Democratic Republic of Congo

      The Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) possesses 80 percent of the world’s coltan supply. Many of the mines there have been controlled by rebels who extort money from the miners, leading tantalum to be classified as a conflict mineral.

      Starting with the production of the Fairphone 1, we worked with Solutions for Hope to source conflict-free tantalum from the DRC.

      It appears they've made an honest effort to source things intelligently.

      Reading these comments (not the one I'm replying to) bitching, moaning, and whining about "hipsters" getting a "feel good" from stupidly being duped through the entire process, I'm pretty fucking disgusted with Slashdot today.

  15. Re:Poor support for 3G/4G bands used in the Americ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It'll make a good iPod replacement so I'm in

  16. Version 2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was not the whole point that it never needs an update?

    1. Re:Version 2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But how would Google then shovel its latest set of spyware into the system? When I bought the Nexus 5, it had about half of the google "system component" crap it now has. Why can't I permanently get rid of some google cloud print, google music, google news, google plus, google book, google tracker, google sports, etc? If I had wanted a phone with bundleware crap I would have bought a Samsung or Apple.

    2. Re:Version 2? by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      No. Wherever did you get that idea.

      Fairphone 1 was made to be sourced with non-conflict materials.

      Fairphone 2 extends that idea to:
      1. more interaction with the manufacturer to improve conditions for the workers
      2. more repairability/upgradeability to extend the life of the phone.

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  17. "A social justice movement" by He+Who+Has+No+Name · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just what I want and desperately need, more militantly dysfunctional subjectivist Marxist bullshit in my objectively functional technology.

    Before I know it my pull requests are going to be totally triaged by feels and privilege checks, my render times will be doubled due to mid-bucketing RGB diversity checks, and my login password will have to include an entire freaking ASCII table so none of it feels unfairly excluded by the Literaryarchy.

    1. Re:"A social justice movement" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck does this have to do with Marxism?

      Get a grip. ...and a book while you're at it.

    2. Re:"A social justice movement" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is being pioneered by the Dutch it seems.

    3. Re:"A social justice movement" by dave420 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If your intention was to tell everyone just how confused you are, I think you were wildly successful. It's not "Marxist" (I honestly think you don't know the meaning of the word) to source materials from companies which treat their workers well. I can see how you'd get confused, knowing as little as you seemingly do. I would suggest you spend more time working on your education and less time showing everyone just how sorely you need it.

    4. Re:"A social justice movement" by Maow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Just what I want and desperately need, more militantly dysfunctional subjectivist Marxist bullshit in my objectively functional technology.

      What a fucking retarded statement.

      They're capitalists trying to fill a niche for ethically sourced phones with a modular design (a great and exciting idea all by itself), high reparability, and easily recyclable - the entire life cycle carefully considered.

      We've all heard the "child labour" comments and accusations regarding the manufacturing of our electronics - this business is trying to do something about it. How the fuck you get "militant Marxist" bullshit out of that makes it sound like you've fallen on your head. A few times.

      And at +5 Insightful, a few others have too.

      Before I know it my pull requests are going to be totally triaged by feels and privilege checks

      If you're talking about making pull requests to a hardware manufacturer who is using Android from AOSP, then yeah, your pull requests are probably pretty fucking useless.

      You don't like it, don't buy it, but getting your feels all hurt, along with your butt, makes you a militant Marxist moron. Since you like slinging non-sequiturs...

    5. Re:"A social justice movement" by Maow · · Score: 1

      You know what's worse than one retard spewing off about a "Marxist" business trying to fill a niche market?

      The comment sits at +5 Insightful (70% Insightful, 30% Funny).

      What the ever-loving fuck is happening at Slashdot?

      It was looking so hopeful when whipslash came on board, but the mods on some articles in the past week have just been so out of whack that I can't understand what skull-fuckery is going on.

    6. Re:"A social justice movement" by Z80a · · Score: 1

      Collectivist is the word you're looking here for, not "marxist".
      While marxism is indeed a collectivist movement, its not exactly the same thing as social justice.
      One is about labelling people "working class" or "Bourgeoisie" and pitting each other, while social justice is about grouping people by their race,gender and sexuality and applying compensations and advantages for the "groups with highest oppression score", regardless of the individual condition of the individuals on said group.

      And well, in this case, the company is just using it as a buzzword, given the fact they're actually dealing with individual dynamics to avoid bloody conflicts rather than doing things like racial quotas on the company etc..

    7. Re:"A social justice movement" by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

      You know what's worse than one retard spewing off about something and getting a +5 Insightful? The inevitable ad-hominem attack that gets modded the same way.

      ...knowing as little as you seemingly do. I would suggest you spend more time working on your education and less time showing everyone just how sorely you need it.

      What the ever-loving fuck is happening at Slashdot?
      If you removed the personal attack from that comment, it would become:

      It's not "Marxist" to source materials from companies which treat their workers well.

      THAT is a +5 Insightful.

    8. Re:"A social justice movement" by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      I think you has made a Poe.

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    9. Re:"A social justice movement" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...one retard spewing off about something... the inevitable ad-hominem attack...

      What the ever-loving fuck is happening at Slashdot?

      To me, it sounds pretty much like the very same thing that has been happening at Slashdot since the very beginning. I'm pretty sure that spewing off and ad hominem attacks have always been two of Slashdot's best-loved features.

    10. Re:"A social justice movement" by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      You are right. This really isn't a new phenomenon. My surprise is entirely manufactured merely as an opportunity to quote the parent. :-)

    11. Re:"A social justice movement" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see where the confusion is coming from. I cringed when I read "Social Justice Movement" because Social Justice nowadays means a certain kind of activism that is neither social nor just, but rather unhealthily obsessed with ruining people's lives over such heinous crimes as "speaking out against feminists" or "making racist jokes on twitter".

      I did check the website and was relieved to find that Fairphone do not actually describe themselves as proponents of Social Justice, and it's just an unfortunate turn of phrase in the summary.

    12. Re:"A social justice movement" by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      I have to admit that I laugh when i see companies like Chipotle, Starbucks, target, walmart, etc pushing 'fair trade' products like Coffee, yet, fight against paying Americans a fair wage, or will hire illegals instead.

      The irony on it is so missed by the far lefties. It kills me.

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  18. Freerunner was done right the first time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Openmoko comes to mind. The Neo OpenMoko has a Host USB port which suggests that we shouldnt jurisdictionally forfeit a valid micro computer to phone regulatione just because it is palmsized with a speaker and microphone.

    I would prefer the phone service network just an external device like how Sierra Wireless and Novatell make a wifi Hotspot device that i can relocate the transmitter to a safer spot on my automobile roof or use an external antenna. Of course, i prefer to have dual wifi and dual Flashcard on a handheld rather than bottleneck my hardware with integrated proprietary cell network hardware. Shouldnt need to change computers when you change internet service likewise. Waiting for a bridge between desktop and handheld.

  19. Android 5.1? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seriously? What the fuck, can anything but a Nexus line device actually run the latest OS...ever? This is a joke

    1. Re:Android 5.1? by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      Correct. Nexus brand is for phones that are co-developed with new Android releases. I've worked on Nexus products before and essentially it gives OEMs and chip vendors several months head start on preparing a for a new Android.

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  20. Re:Poor support for 3G/4G bands used in the Americ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Basically, if you go off the beaten path of mainstream, be prepared for things to really really suck.

  21. Re:Poor support for 3G/4G bands used in the Americ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL, remember when Europeans still built cell phones?

  22. There's a Jolla one (that you can't have) by Phil+Urich · · Score: 3, Informative
    Someone made one for the Jolla, since there's a modular back to that phone designed for people to add electronics to it, and a lot of Jolla folks come from the N900 user/developer community so missed landscape slider QWERTY keyboards. https://www.kickstarter.com/pr...

    I rather like mine, although unfortunately just like the Fairphone 2 here, it doesn't support the frequencies my wireless carrier uses and as such is completely useless to me as a cellphone. Alas!

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    1. Re:There's a Jolla one (that you can't have) by Eunuchswear · · Score: 3, Informative

      The fairphone 2 has an interrnal USB connecter on the back for TOH like extensions. DVL, who made the keyboard TOH for the Jolla is working on add-ons for the Fairphone 2.

      https://forum.fairphone.com/t/fairphone-2-hardware-extensions/11457

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  23. Re:Poor support for 3G/4G bands used in the Americ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has always been an Americas based problem where they deviated from the standard bands that the rest of the world standardised on. hence many manufacturers make a US based phone and a rest of the world version.

  24. Would still prefer a Black Phone by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    I kind of wish Silent Circle's Android they use for Black Phone was a general distribution that these other device makers can license. Perhaps with an auditing fee and certification process, because of course people have to make money on a distro some how.

    It's one thing to be ethically aware and environmental aware, but can't we also be security aware too?

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  25. Not if it's unavailable in the US. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    The first modular phone will not be the Fairphone 2, but the first one that is available in the US.

    So far, it's been 0/3 including:

    Jolla
    Fairphone
    Fairphone 2

    If anything, is there a (non-Apple, non-WinMo) phone that is available in the US, wanted the world over, but only available in the US?

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    1. Re:Not if it's unavailable in the US. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      "If anything, is there a (non-Apple, non-WinMo) phone that is available in the US, wanted the world over, but only available in the US"

      No. why the f would there be? theres no apple or wp device thats wanted and exclusive to north america either. it's a niche market in global scale dominated by petty operators and not consumer choice, so why bother creating something special just for the NA market? it's not good money and the sales are unlikely to depend on the device too much too and the one who pockets the sale margin from the device is the operator.

      it just doesn't make any business sense. the only benefit you get form it is more mentions in Financial Times, The Economist or other bs magazines - Which do not equate to sales among normal people even if those magazines are the board members world.

      you know what day Nokia fell off from the cliff? when the board decided to focus on North American market in r&d with "help" from NA carriers(they set up new sales offices and all so you could look the exact dates if you were a journalist interested). If you ever wondered what led them to hiring Elop and fucking up sales in the entire world then it all starts with that - trying to get sales up in North America by asking what direction the North American carriers want the dev to go.

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    2. Re:Not if it's unavailable in the US. by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      > you know what day Nokia fell off from the cliff?

      No, it was when they decided to write off the American GSM market by refusing to make phones capable of EDGE, or using WCDMA/HSPA/EDGE on 850MHz and 1900MHz. At the time Nokia quit supporting EDGE, T-Mobile had no HSPA/WCDMA/UMTS to speak of (in fact, I think it had none whatsoever), and AT&T had it in *maybe* a dozen markets... but AT&T' used 850MHz or 1900MHz, and used the same band for uplink and downlink. Nokia's crippled phones could only do HSPA/WCDMA/UMTS on specific 1900 + 2100MHz pairs of uplink & downlink frequencies.

      This decision also destroyed Nokia's web presence and mindshare, because at the time, the majority of influential web sites and bloggers were Americans. When Nokia phones became irrelevant data paperweights in America (capable only of 19.2kbps GPRS) and disappeared, they also disappeared from those review sites, and Nokia's mindshare vanished.

      True story: sometime around 2006, Nokia had a store in Miami at Dadeland Mall that existed solely to market their phones to visitors from Latin America. The employees all had PalmOS and WinMo phones, and sheepishly admitted it was because none of Nokia's phones could do meaningful data on T-Mobile or AT&T.

    3. Re:Not if it's unavailable in the US. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      European projects make phones that work in Europe, shock, horror.

      Where are the Americans working on interesting ideas like this?

      (If the neo900 ever gets built it will have one version with US frequencies)

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  26. I just did some modular shits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can mash together any combination of the pieces of shit with your bare hands. This way, you can customise an excrement objet d'art that's perfect for you.

    It doesn't get very good reception, though.

  27. Seems like a good idea but... by bobjr94 · · Score: 1

    For $730 it's way too expensive. You can get a good samsung for under $200 or a phone with similar specs like the zen phone for $300. Then why would you want to pull out the camera or other bits ? The only thing I would want is to be able to swap the parts into a keyboard case, but looks like no keyboard is available.

    1. Re:Seems like a good idea but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, slave labor is generally cheaper than well compensated labor, that should not surprise anyone.

    2. Re:Seems like a good idea but... by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      For $730 it's way too expensive.

      Wow, the dollar has fallen further than I thought.

      Nope, a quick check shows that EUR 525 is stil only USD 576.

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  28. A step in the right direction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a step in the right direction.

    I would buy it if a physical keyboard and booting (real) Linux was possible.

  29. How about a keyboard add-on by Zarhan · · Score: 2

    I'm *still* using my N900 due to the slide-out keyboard. Does this thing have such a feature as an available module? Couldn't find the info at least on product's page...

    1. Re:How about a keyboard add-on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (begin:sarcasm) But... but... aren't voice, touchscreens, and the Cloud supposed to make keyboards unnecessary? (end:sarcasm)

  30. Arduino Phones is a real thing... by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    I was just showing my students the other day that you could in fact make your very own mobile phone - even a smartphone if you so should wish.

    If you have no clue about this, or think I'm BS'ing you a little - well - search youtube and google and you shall find numerous people building their own phones. All you need is an microcontroller of your own choice (or several if you want it to become powerful and do various tasks independent of the main cpu). And Arduino projects these days are as modular as it can get, you can purchase temperature sensors, gyro sensors, accelerometers, gps modules, gprs modules,touch screens and everything you need to make your own phone. Sure - it will look like something you just made out of LEGO - but you can use your prototype to just take the Open Source hardware and put it together as a schematic which you in turn can send to some Chinese PCB manufacturer who'd gladly print just 20 of them for you for pocket change (people do this all the time, I'm not kidding!) and you and your friends have your latest creation. Might not be an Apple i2000x something something - but it's yours and doesn't come more personal than that.

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    1. Re:Arduino Phones is a real thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You realize you are using an 8-bit CPU in an Arduino to communicate to a 32-bit RISC inside the cell module you bought?

      I also would like to call BS on there being any such thing as a "open source hardware" for a cell radio.

    2. Re:Arduino Phones is a real thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize you can use a GSM brickphone with a java VM "secure" app platform contained in a standard SIM card?

    3. Re:Arduino Phones is a real thing... by MindPrison · · Score: 1

      Depends on what processor / devboard you chose for your project.

      Arduino is a CONCEPT not a particular microprocessor. Yes, the UNO and the NANO are 8 bit processors, but there's plenty of 32 bit ARM processors with ARDUINO compatible systems out there. I have plenty of them. One of the cheapest is the little ESP 8266-12E which is essentially a WiFi chip for IoT, but it comes with an 32 Bit processor with 4mbit ram, 80 MHz speed - and for only 2$.

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    4. Re:Arduino Phones is a real thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In what way is your comment relevant?

  31. Re:Will it run Replicant or another fully-open loa by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

    Locked-down radio firmware is basically inevitable (the FCC won't approve software-defined radios lacking "robust" protection against unauthorized modifications by end users who aren't ham radio operators), and Nvidia & Qualcomm will probably be binary-blob assholes forever, but it would still be nice if someone finally made a Nexus-like phone whose official ROM was AOSP-derived and could be built from source into a ROM image identical to the "official" one with all required source, binary blobs, and build scripts neatly downloadable from the manufacturer.

    I had great hopes for the Oppo Find 7 and OnePlus One, but both phones dropped the ball and let down users by (sort of) supporting a proprietary build of Cyanogenmod that couldn't actually be built or modified by end users. Sure, you could still use the Cyanogen source to build a generic ROM for it, but then you had to give up features that Oppo & OnePlus's official ROMs supported.

    Android: the nominally-open operating system that runs on some of the most locked-down and opaque hardware ever made, and is practically unusable as a viable phone if Google's proprietary apps and services are missing. For all intents and purposes, Android 6 isn't much easier for end users to customize in unblessed ways than Windows Mobile used to be. Five years ago, there was enormous optimism at XDA-Developers that we were just months away from having phones where we could download the source and build our own ROMs that worked exactly the way we wanted them to work. Most of that optimism has been replaced by cynicism (in large part because every new kernel catastrophically breaks all the binary blobs from the previous version... often, the only binary blobs that are available at all...) and the sad tragedy that most current android customization consists of doing the same thing we used to do under Windows Mobile... copy binaries ripped from newer phones onto older ones in the hope that they'll halfway work.

  32. Re:Will it run Replicant or another fully-open loa by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

    Will it run Replicant (or another fully-open set of code)?

    AOSP initialy,

    Sailfish is being worked on.

    https://www.fairphone.com/2015/09/23/opening-up-fairphone-to-the-community-open-source-fairphone-2/

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  33. Social Justice Movement by loufoque · · Score: 1

    I was interested until you said this.
    Now the project needs to die.

    1. Re:Social Justice Movement by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Tee hee, you have been trolled.

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    2. Re:Social Justice Movement by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1

      My understanding here is this is the "real deal" social justice, as in trying to make things better for people who are ACTUALLY oppressed. Not whiny culture critic hipsters who lie to support their non-issues then cry in front of the UN because people call them liars on twitter and call it "social justice" because the white-menz have all the powerz.

      It's a shame so many of these first world problem people are ruining things for actual activist that can see real disparity and abuse is happening in third world countries and not video games or sci-fi books.

  34. Fairphone is an attempt by Britz · · Score: 1

    Fairphone attempts to bring more sustainability into smartphone production. And they want to see if it is possible at all. And you can be the judge as to how successful they are so far. They are a lot more transparent than other companies.

    You can read everything on their website.

    Even if you aren't very excited about the concept of a sustainable word, there is still a lot of interesting things about smartphone production to be found in general.

    And of course: Since they are very transparent about what they do, you can also find a lot of things that you don't like. Which is a good reason why companies usually shy away from transparency.

  35. GSM/3G module? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can one remove the GSM / 3G module to make it a non-tracked device?

  36. Europe... by phorm · · Score: 1

    On the purchase page.

    "Designed for use and service in Europe only"

    Well there goes that.

  37. Pretty sure I already know the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This "safe space" you speak of - does the sun shine in it?

  38. Who's "we" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We wish all manufactures... make devices repairable, upgradeable, and built of sustainable raw materials"

    Who exactly is this "we" you are talking about? Sure as fuck isn't me. I want my phone to be cheap and disposable. The end.

    Based on the sales numbers of iPhones, you think Joe consumer gives two craps about repair or upgrade or sustainability? The "expensive and disposable" business model seems to be working just fine too.

    But thanks for speaking for "we." We weren't sure who we were.

  39. No reasoning with Arduino fanatics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most people run Lua on the ESP8266 and there are no Adruino compatible environments for it.

    1. Re:No reasoning with Arduino fanatics by MindPrison · · Score: 1

      Most people run Lua on the ESP8266 and there are no Adruino compatible environments for it.

      Oh yes there is. I run Arduino on ESP 8266-12E.

      And since you didn't bother to google, I'll do it for you just to ruin AC's reputation and trolling attempt:

      https://github.com/esp8266/Ard...
      And a neato working Instructables to show you how to do this with no additional Arduino needed:
      http://makezine.com/2015/04/01...>

      Oh...and I even run a server on an ESP8266-12E and I used only the Arduino Sketch interface to upload directly to the ESP8266 like so many before me.

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    2. Re:No reasoning with Arduino fanatics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are not Arduino/Genino. There is a definition of what is an official Arduino, you don't get to simply slap the brand name on everything and call it Arduino.