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Oculus Founder: Rift Will Come To Mac If Apple "Ever Releases a Good Computer" (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader writes: It's been almost a year now since Oculus announced that the consumer version of the Rift virtual-reality headset would only support Windows PCs at launch -- a turnaround from development kits that worked fine on Mac and Linux boxes. Now, according to Oculus co-founder Palmer Luckey, it "is up to Apple" to change that state of affairs. Specifically, "if they ever release a good computer, we will do it," he told Shacknews recently. Basically, Luckey continued, even the highest-end Mac you can buy would not provide an enjoyable experience on the final Rift hardware, which is significantly more powerful than early development kits. "It just boils down to the fact that Apple doesn't prioritize high-end GPUs," he said. "You can buy a $6,000 Mac Pro with the top-of-the-line AMD FirePro D700, and it still doesn't match our recommended specs."

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  1. So what type of Windows PC do you need. by jellomizer · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If a high end Mac won't support it. You will need a higher end PC which will be beyond most people's budgets.

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    1. Re:So what type of Windows PC do you need. by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can build a sub-$1000 PC that will work with the Rift. Some people have posted builds much lower. Price isn't the problem. High-end Macs just don't have gaming GPUs.

    2. Re:So what type of Windows PC do you need. by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The most expensive Mac has a GPU that is useless for high-end gaming. Intel integrated graphics are not even close to being OK for this purpose, and an expensive AMD card that is specialized for CAD and graphic design simply isn't capable of working for VR. There's no reason for Oculus or HTC/Valve to invest a single second of time trying to support those systems.

      Processing power isn't the bottle neck. I have a system built on a 2600K processor, which is fairly old, but it's clocked to over 3.5 ghz, and it's not a problem. My system still crushes Valves VR capability test rather handily, because I have a GTX980 as the graphics card.

      A gaming box can be built that would be adequate for VR for around $1000. There isn't a single Mac that is capable, no matter how much money you throw at Apple. Even if you could throw, say a Geforce GTX980ti in one, the drivers don't exist. Apple maintains complete driver control on their platform, and even when they DID provide options that included then-equivalent hardware, the performance was abysmal.

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    3. Re:So what type of Windows PC do you need. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They have builds to meet the recommended spec on the specs page... It currently takes $1100. You can reach the minimum with $800 just barely.

      That's a pretty damn high end machine.

      But yes, ultimately the issue is not that apple didn't "release a good computer", it's that apple's computers aren't targeted at gaming, and hence don't have gaming GPUs in them.

    4. Re:So what type of Windows PC do you need. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah... no.

      See for the work I do (service Scientific instruments) I use a Mac, because I am more productive on the Mac , and when I am charging customers $200/hr they don't want to pay for me to piss about with a high end gaming rig.

      The price difference is irrelevant, make up a couple of hours in increased productivity and that difference is gone. And that would be just in the first month, after 4+ years the Mac turns out to be profitable as I have probably saved 40-60 hours and more (i.e. about $8000-$12,000 plus of billable hours)

      Your needs are not mine, you may be more productive in Windows/Linux, so go for it, use what best for you. It is a tool and I choose the best ones that work well and "feel right", be it a computer, oscilloscope, logic analyser, socket set or screw driver.

      So, if Apple does not make what you want, who cares, buy what you need elsewhere, they are under no obligation to build anything they don't want to.

    5. Re:So what type of Windows PC do you need. by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I see them pretty commonly in tech. Some people go all-out and run Linux or a BSD on their laptop, but for those who don't want to deal with the hardware-support issues, OSX is often the next choice.

    6. Re:So what type of Windows PC do you need. by Dynedain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, they have high-end professional GPUs which are tuned for different behaviors, like much more memory for textures, raytracing, particle systems, and higher poly counts, which comes at the expense of lower FPS and other shader-specific differences.

      The Mac Pros are using GPUs designed for the people who are creating content, rather than those consuming the content. This stuff goes back decades. I remember buying specific more-expensive GPUs from NVidia sepcifically because they had enhancements and features that 3DStudio and Maya would use, but no game ever would. And gaming performance sucked, but there were things I could do in real-time while 3D modeling that no other card could provide.

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    7. Re:So what type of Windows PC do you need. by Dynedain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Quadros have some crazy features, like antialiasing and polycounts in wireframe mode that result in FPS in CAD or 3D Studio/Maya at levels that a gaming card can't even touch.

      The tradeoff however is that these card suck at DirectX and gaming-oriented shader techniques.

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  2. Re:It has been awhile by mattventura · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's pretty true. The Mac Pro used to be a high-end 2CPU workstation comparable with offerings from any business PC manufacturer. Now it's a little tin can with 1 CPU. The issue with Apple used to be that you would pay significantly more for the same performance. Now the issue is that no amount of money can buy that performance even if you have a blank check, other than nonstandard solutions like eGPUs.

  3. Re:Apple is about user experience by JohnStock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't kid yourself, they are focused on selling overpriced hardware to maximise profits. No battery problems with a desktop mate. The article says it perfectly in that Macs are just not good enough.

  4. Re:Apple is about user experience by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know what, that's how I feel too.. but an awful lot of people in the market go for that user experience, and I'm long past blaming Apple for going for that market. I would never buy it, but a lot of people do.

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  5. Re:Apple is about user experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    no, apple is simply not interested in gamers.

    They also don't make blade servers, managed switches, raid arrays

    They are focused on the people who actually buy their products, not on the people will never buy a mac no matter what they build.
    These people include engineers, mathematicians, statisticians, physicists, micro biologists, bioinformaticians , chemists, astronomers , etc etc etc etc

  6. If by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I want a machine that Oculus rift runs on, I'll buy that machine. Whats the big deal? It's why I have Mac PC and Linux machines. Each is a tool that has it's purpose.

    As it is now, Lucky is just another redneck at the corner gas, spitting his baccy on the woodturner and arguing with the others about "Ferds and Chivvies". If you don't want to release it for Mac, don't. Don't be a fucking asshole about it. Oops - too late.

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  7. Re:It has been awhile by JDG1980 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Mac Pro. The old Mac Pros used to have the ability to use RAID. This one? One SSD, and that's it? For a computer that will cost you $4000 for something with reasonable specs, this is just unacceptable. It also is a bitch to rack, requiring a third party kit.

    You're supposed to be keeping your bulk storage on a NAS, not the local machine. That's the modern way of doing things. About the only task this isn't adequate for is video editing, so that may require an external RAID box. But why should everyone else need to buy a massive, bloated tower when only a handful of workstations actually need it?

    And why would you want to rack-mount this system? It's a workstation, not a server.

  8. Re:educational user here by JDG1980 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the base spec at academic is more in line with the lack of power. recently we bought the 5k 27" imacs at a base price of £1245 I think. overpriced but compared tro the arse fucking that dell indulges in with its 'partners', not shocking.

    It might be overpriced if you're only looking at the CPU, GPU, and RAM. But don't forget that the 27" iMac includes a 5K panel that supports wide gamut and is by all accounts excellent in calibration and color reproduction. A Dell 27" 5K monitor by itself is over $1,500 - compared to that, getting an equivalent monitor plus a whole computer for about $1770 US (based on the British price you listed above) seems like a bargain.

    And if the university is full of creative types running the Adobe apps, then they probably really do need quality monitors.

  9. Re:It has been awhile by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering how much Microsoft is hell-bent on alienating their users with Win10, and considering what you've just described, where will the desktop computer market go from here?

    Windows... you may think the issues are huge, but outside a handful of uber pissed of people, I find that most people either don't care, or aren't even aware of it.

    I'm not saying it doesn't matter, I'm simply saying that it is number 417 on their give a crap list and it just doesn't register on their radar.

  10. Re:It has been awhile by Khyber · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "That's the modern way of doing things."

    Yep, let's make MORE POINTS OF FAILURE by having ANOTHER MACHINE TO MAINTAIN.

    You modernists are fucking morons.

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  11. Re:100,000 people by KGIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is a mere 110,000 potential customers actually worth the capital investment costs? Is it worth the ongoing support? Out of that group, how many are likely to purchase and what is it going to cost go get them to make those purchases? Compound that with how much is it going to cost to develop the product, divide it by the projected number, and does it make sense for any reasons other than idealism?

    Those are questions, not assertions. I really have no idea. I do not have the domain knowledge to even begin to speculate authoritatively.

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  12. Re: It has been awhile by fnj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh, wow, a 12-core Xeon, big whoop.

    Go sell your derangement somewhere else. A 12-core Xeon E5-2697 v2 will pound whatever you've got into the dust, chump. 24 threads, 30 MB cache, 768 GB RAM accessability, 60 GBps of ECC RAM bandwidth, 40 PCIe 3.0 lanes of IO.

  13. You would think by now someone could say something by frnic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This "lets tell everyone how bad Apple is" has been going on for as long as there has been an Apple computer. For years the punch line was "Apple is about to go out of business". Now it is Apple sucks at game.

    Uh, Apple is not just here, it is on and off the most successful company in the history of the world. You know why? Because PEOPLE LIKE APPLE PRODUCTS AND SUPPORT. Geeks don't need or want it - fine. But this may come as a surprise to a few here, but Apple is not and never has been in business to make geeks happy. They are in business to make money, and they are very good at that.

    Tell me again how wonderful Samsung phones are, and then lets compare profitability - you see that is why corporations exist, not so you can shove a memory card in your phone, but to make a profit. Apple makes money - because the average person likes their product and their support.

    Not everyone likes Apple - DUH, does everyone like Ford or Chevy? DUH. To constantly for decades bring up these lame dog whistles about how Apple won't do this, or my home built is better is just proving you do not have a clue.

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  14. Re:It has been awhile by drewsup · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Mac= form over function, they would rather have a pretty machine thats underspecced than an ugly powerhouse.

  15. Re:It has been awhile by mvdwege · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Shorter version of your post: "You're holding it wrong"

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