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Feds: Brink's Employee Makes Off With $196,000 In Quarters (cnn.com)

dfsmith writes: CNN is reporting today on the prosecution of a man who stole $196,000 worth of quarters from his employer in Alabama. Apparently the Brinks facility kept large bags of the coins for the Federal Reserve (about 1 ton each), which the accused emptied and refilled with beads (leaving some coins visible in the bag's window). Dennis faces a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. That's a million-quarter fine, or 216,000 more quarters than Dennis stole.
Notwithstanding the enterprise of purchasing and transporting that many beads, you've got to wonder: how would you go about this heist, and what would you do with the proceeds?

142 comments

  1. Parking by Early+Six+Digit+UID · · Score: 4, Funny

    I could park... FOREVER

    1. Re:Parking by plover · · Score: 2

      I would have enough to FINALLY beat that little bastard Pac-Man!

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    2. Re:Parking by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Sorry you landed on "go directly to jail".

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    3. Re:Parking by davester666 · · Score: 3, Funny

      He probably had to do laundry. Have you seen how many quarter's those machines take?

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    4. Re:Parking by operagost · · Score: 1

      ... at the arcade, while I try to get past the kill screen on Pac-Man.

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  2. Brilliant! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    As recent college students know, laundromats almost always accept quarters as a mechanism for buying machine time, so laundering the proceeds must have been particularly easy and convenient. This guy is obviously a cerebral master of crime.

    1. Re: Brilliant! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, don't be so hard on the guy... he was only a two bit criminal looking for some change to believe in!

    2. Re: Brilliant! by jep77 · · Score: 1

      Ha. Ha. Two bits.

    3. Re:Brilliant! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      The guy wasn't bright enough to use a Coinstar machine, take the receipt and get some Ding-Dongs with his cash.

    4. Re: Brilliant! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So now he has no hope nor change, just like the rest of us?

    5. Re: Brilliant! by CauseBy · · Score: 1

      Some of your jokes are funny, but I'm not amused by a quarter of them.

  3. Makes off, my arse by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The bags were stored on skids in the doubtless aptly named Coin Room. An April 2014 audit of the coin inventory showed that four of the bags had been filled mostly with beads. Those bags each contained only $1,000 in quarters, which had been strategically situated so the coins were visible through a plastic window in the necks of the bags, according to federal authorities.

    Diabolically clever scheme unravels under the slightest scrutiny.

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    1. Re:Makes off, my arse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If this was a large company (like, say, Verizon) stealing from its customers, the fine would have been a fraction of the money stolen, and no jail time for anyone (except maybe the customer who discovered the theft, under anti-hacking laws).

    2. Re:Makes off, my arse by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well yes obviously someone would figure out sooner or later, but he was probably counting on them not finding out who and when. Or he was in some kind of money problem (gambling, drugs, whatever) and just did the kind of incredibly stupid crime you sometimes see which keeps their world from collapsing today. The same kind of "can't think about that" like the people who throw bills in the trash or keep sending money to Nigeria.

      A lot of people are simply dysfunctional that way, like they have a fear of the dentist. And they know the longer it's been since they was at the dentist, the more likely he'll find something really bad. So the problem just escalates until it becomes a huge crisis. You see that a lot with "dumb" embezzlement, now you not only got a gambling problem but for a few months delay you're now also an unemployed, convicted felon.

      Rationally it doesn't make sense, how much worse it's going to be compared to the relatively short and small gain you got. But I guess it's something of a survival trait, if life's fucked up you care about living one more day. And then another one, and then the one after that. Sometimes not having perspective is good for motivation, because there's nothing in your prospects to be cheerful about. You just carry on anyway.

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    3. Re:Makes off, my arse by rmdingler · · Score: 2
      Certainly.

      Indeed, you are never more truly alive than when your night's lodging and dinner depend on your success today.

      But don't forget, his short-sighted paradigm makes for some lean, low times to offset the high of the times you succeed.

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    4. Re:Makes off, my arse by houghi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Although gambling can be a reason, more likely it is just being very bad with money. The kind of bad where people buy a new iPhone and a new TV and new handbags and the newest sneakers and then say they do not have enough money for food.

      Many people never learn how to count money. People do not even understand what a credit is. These are people who think that a credit of 2000 is their money they must use.

      In school (in Belgium) I learned how to trasfer money. I learned how a bank account is made up and how the control number worked. I never learned what a credit or a loan was. I never learned how to do a busget.

      I am lucky that I learned that at home. Not all parents know it themselves and thus are unable to explain it to their kids.
      Basic budgetting skils should be learned in schools.
      This would still mean some people would not understand it, but way less than what is happening now.

      You will be amazed at how many people do not even know the difference between a loan and a credit, yet they are maxing out their credit cards like nobodies business. One trip and you are fucked.

      Issue is, where would you go to when you have financial problem? Most go to a bank. And then get fucked over AGAIN, because the bank does not work for them, they work for the bank.

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    5. Re:Makes off, my arse by netsavior · · Score: 1

      Nobody steals 5 literal tons of quarters because they are "bad at budgeting"

      Nobody.

    6. Re:Makes off, my arse by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Or to pay off a debt to a drug dealer.

  4. What would I do? by TWX · · Score: 3

    Well, what I would have done would have been to go to Las Vegas and spend it in the slot machines, but the first time I went to Vegas as an adult I found to my disappointment that the slot machines no longer had slots anymore, and they made the same coin-falling-into-cup sound whether or not the player won.

    Not that anyone cares, but that basically was the straw that broke the camel's back for going to Las Vegas without any real reason.

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    1. Re:What would I do? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      to the bad the Sigma Derby at MGM is down right now. I think there is last game with coin in.

    2. Re:What would I do? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      "Well, what I would have done would have been to go to Las Vegas and spend it in the slot machines"

      I...er, bet that laundering through casinos was what this economic genius had in mind, if he hadn't been in one for a while.

      Before casinos went all-voucher and bills, there was a transitional period when slot machines still took coins. Load up a machine with quarters, print out a voucher to take to the cashier window and hope to rinse & repeat a usable number of times before management started wondering why their machines were suddenly all full of uncirculated new quarters, rather than the usual $5s through $20s.

    3. Re:What would I do? by 228e2 · · Score: 1

      How do you propose shipping several tons as your luggage? Or even transporting that to a casino undetected?

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    4. Re:What would I do? by ausekilis · · Score: 2

      *throws 500 pound sack of quarters on roulette table*

      "Black"

      Then the nice security guards can ask me where I got the Brinks bags.

  5. Slot machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could launder the money in slot machines, then cash out in bills.

    1. Re:Slot machines by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      Brilliant. Use the machines to exchange the quarters for fewer quarters. Sounds like you are a true criminal mastermind.

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    2. Re:Slot machines by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Informative

      Casinos are used to launder money all the time, you put dirty money on the table and get back 70-80% of the face value back in clean money.

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    3. Re:Slot machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In bills with serial numbers maybe. But not quarters. Heck the damn machine is mostly just going to be giving you mostly your own quarters back after the first few payouts.

    4. Re:Slot machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Presumably casinos (never been to one) will give people bills in return for stacks of quarters, for when people win a reasonable amount of money?

      You could go to a casino with a backpack full of quarters, spend a couple of hours then, there cash out with the money in your pack. Would obviously take a very long time to convert all the quarters into bills that way, though, and the casino's would get pretty suspicious pretty quickly.

    5. Re:Slot machines by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

      Casinos are used to launder money all the time, you put dirty money on the table and get back 70-80% of the face value back in clean money.

      Casinos still have to report payouts of more than $10,000, per federal Anti-Money-Laundering laws or regulations.

    6. Re:Slot machines by jafiwam · · Score: 2

      Presumably casinos (never been to one) will give people bills in return for stacks of quarters, for when people win a reasonable amount of money?

      You could go to a casino with a backpack full of quarters, spend a couple of hours then, there cash out with the money in your pack. Would obviously take a very long time to convert all the quarters into bills that way, though, and the casino's would get pretty suspicious pretty quickly.

      Or, you could just feed your gambling habit with stolen quarters.

    7. Re: Slot machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you're stupid if you don't think the government keeps track of people who do that. If you bring $20,000 to the casino, place small bets and then leave with $18,000, they noticed and they made a record of it. Even smaller amounts get noticed. Why anyone would consider committing a crime in one of the most watched and recorded places you can be in is beyond me.

    8. Re:Slot machines by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Hit up 10 different casinos for roughly $9k each and you'll be done in 2 years.

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    9. Re:Slot machines by Megol · · Score: 1

      That's why you use smurfs.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    10. Re:Slot machines by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      One of the costs of criminal enterprises is that of laundering the money. If you can get 80 cents clean money for each dollar of dirty money, you are doing pretty well.

    11. Re:Slot machines by edtice1559 · · Score: 2

      Which is exactly what you want. You walk up to a table or machine anonymously and play. If you lose, you don't tell anybody. If you win, you cash out the profit as clean money that you won gambling. Normally a gambler would want to offset winnings with losses for tax purposes. But if you're goal is laundering, you want to show a win and pay the taxes on it. As I mentioned in a previous post, you get 80c clean per 100c dirty and then pay the tax. But that's the cost of laundering. You *want* the reports of the winnings it's how you make the money clean.

    12. Re:Slot machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except, backpacks are usually not allowed in Casinos.

    13. Re:Slot machines by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      Are you really so dense that you can think that having played slot machines and ending up with the same quarters, just fewer of them, somehow amounts to having "laundered" them?

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    14. Re:Slot machines by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      The process of laundering money via casino gambling is well understood. So much so that law enforcement actively looks for it. The basic technique is that you can lose as much as you want anonymously but you can't win large sums anonymously. You find the machines with the right size jackpot above 10k. You put in a few hundred bucks. If you lose, move onto the next machine. If you win, you fill out the paperwork to record the winnings. In the end you have a paper trail of large winnings. Nobody knows how many times you lost a few hundred bucks to win that jackpot so the money is now 'clean.' Of course you can only do this a few times before somebody becomes suspicious. The CTRs will tip off investigators. And so will your tax returns. If trying to launder a lot of money you need multiple people. There are more advanced techniques.

  6. What would you do? by Pharmboy · · Score: 0

    "Notwithstanding the enterprise of purchasing and transporting that many beads, you've got to wonder: how would you go about this heist, and what would you do with the proceeds?"

    For starters, the quarters would be handy for calling your lawyer.

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    1. Re:What would you do? by jrmcferren · · Score: 2

      Phones in prisons don't use quarters, they are either collect or via credits purchased via the commissary.

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    2. Re:What would you do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Robber: "I'd like to convert these into pounds."
      Teller: "Sure thing! What have you got?"
      Robber: "196k in quarters"
      Teller: "OK, well, one quarter is 5.67 grams, so....9800 pounds"

    3. Re:What would you do? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 2

      Since Slashdot doesn't give me mod points anymore, you'll have to accept my Virtual +5, Funny.

    4. Re:What would you do? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      By the way, 5.67 grams * 196000 quarters = 1111320 grams ~ 2450 pounds.

    5. Re:What would you do? by netsavior · · Score: 1

      $196,000 x 4, because there are 4 quarters in a dollar

    6. Re:What would you do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the way, 5.67 grams * 196000 quarters = 1111320 grams ~ 2450 pounds.

      Dude, you missed the invisible Dollar $ign in your calculation. 5.67 grams * $196000 worth of quarters = 9800 pounds.

    7. Re:What would you do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5.67 g * $196000 * 4 coins per dollar = 4445280 g or 9800 POUNDS.

      Obviously, an impulse crime.

      You would think someone would notice the forklift in use to his car.

    8. Re:What would you do? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      It's because I read that as "196k quarters", not "196k$ in quarters".

      My mistake.

  7. Re: So typical of someone from AL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And racist. Racists love quarters.

  8. Re: So typical of someone from AL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can confirm. I own a couple of car washes and those racists keep stealing my quarters.

  9. A quarter... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a half half-wit!

  10. Re: So typical of someone from AL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And Republucan. Their kind steals constantly.

  11. Re:So typical of someone from AL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're so stupid. So stupid.

    If it's the same Stephen Dennis I know, and it probably is since I don't think there's two in this area that both work for Brinks, then you're talking about someone from upstate NY. You can shove that generalization up your ass.

  12. Well... by tnk1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Strictly speaking, he'd have no trouble laundering the money. They don't have serial numbers and its not like they'd have a dye pack in there.

    The problem is that he'd be limited to buying fast food with his earnings for the next 50 years because I don't know how much effort you'd need to actually turn that much money into a more portable form. I don't think there are enough Coin Star machines between there and the West Coast to do it.

    You can tell that this guy had like 1/10th of a really good idea knocking around in his otherwise empty skull and failed to realize that it wasn't nearly enough to make this even remotely feasible. Of course, that's why there are few true criminal masterminds out there. It's easier for someone that smart to actually make money with a real job.

    1. Re:Well... by vux984 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem is that he'd be limited to buying fast food with his earnings for the next 50 years because I don't know how much effort you'd need to actually turn that much money into a more portable form.

      The classical way would be work through a coinop car wash or laundromat partner and then launder it through them by inflating the sales over a few years.

    2. Re:Well... by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      If his plan was to "get one more bag" and retire to Belize, he might have pulled it off... use change counting machines to get enough bills to buy a truck big enough to haul the loot, get through customs with 4 tons of quarters, home free.

    3. Re: Well... by Type44Q · · Score: 3, Funny

      . Of course, that's why there are few true criminal masterminds out there.

      And how, pray tell, were you able to determine that? ;)

    4. Re: Well... by TimSSG · · Score: 1
      If you edit the quote to this I think it is true. "Of course, that's why there are few true criminal masterminds out there [who get caught]." Tim S.

      . Of course, that's why there are few true criminal masterminds out there.

      And how, pray tell, were you able to determine that? ;)

    5. Re:Well... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      How long do you think a gringo will have four tons of quarters in Belize? I bet he wouldn't make it through Mexico.

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    6. Re:Well... by rwyoder · · Score: 4, Funny

      The classical way would be work through a coinop car wash or laundromat partner and then launder it through them by inflating the sales over a few years.

      I knew a married couple who were doing that. Walt & Skyler were really nice people!

    7. Re:Well... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Lol, I never even made that connection. But that was full service as they were laundering bills; I was thinking more the complete DIY places with the coin-op wash wands & coin-op vaccuums.

    8. Re:Well... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Strictly speaking, he'd have no trouble laundering the money.

      Indeed! He will never be short of a quarter and have to leave the laundrette with the money unwashed.

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    9. Re:Well... by Coren22 · · Score: 2

      I am not sure how you would do that. My full sized truck has a hauling capacity of 1700 lbs, and a towing capacity of 9800 lbs (I have 4WD, or it would be a little over 10k) I can't see what kind of trailer you could get that would be able to carry all of that, and to go with a larger size truck that can tow/haul more, you are looking at F-250 and up, which costs around $50k, so wouldn't be worth it, and even then, you still need a trailer that could carry that much weight.

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    10. Re:Well... by DriveDog · · Score: 1

      It's easier for someone that smart to actually make money hiding behind a corporation.

      FTFY

    11. Re:Well... by operagost · · Score: 1

      The classical way would be work through a coinop car wash or laundromat partner and then launder it through them by inflating the sales over a few years.

      That's pretty close to literally laundering it.

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    12. Re:Well... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      It's easier for someone that smart to actually make money hiding behind a corporation.

      The tax laws overwhelmingly favors the corporation over the individual. I would think it would be difficult to run stolen quarters through a corporation unless it had a coin-op business in place. The IRS loves to trace money. The appearance of $200,000 in quarters inside a corporation will need a logical explanation.

  13. Re: So typical of someone from AL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Upstate NY is full of stupid racists too.

  14. Coinstar machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you took out two pocketfulls of quarters each shift, then converted them to cash in a Coinstar machine on the way home, this makes the whole problem much more manageable. That's easily an extra $50-75.00 each shift.

    1. Re:Coinstar machine by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      I imagine that the tricky bit is that, legally, the penalties increase drastically when you shift from 'stealing nothing' to 'stealing something', so there's an incentive to either not touch so much as a few quarters for the parking meter; or make off with enough loot to be worth the risk and effort required to circumvent whatever security measures are in place.

      The only exception would be if security and audits were pitifully lax; and you knew that discrepancies of under 1% by weight are classified as 'eh, close enough, the coins probably dried out a bit in storage...' in which case the risk would be so low that the reward wouldn't have to amount to much. In the presence of greater risk, the fact that you don't have to steal all that much for it to qualify as a felony(and that the Federal Reserve, and Brinks, probably like to make examples in order to discourage copycat offenders) would make stealing modest amounts a pretty harrowing business.

  15. Re: So typical of someone from AL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Live in Albany. Can confirm. This place is infested with Republicans.

  16. He could have melted them down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm no metallurgist, but it looks like the most commonly circulated quarters are 75% copper and 25% nickel. You could melt them down, extract the copper somehow, and sell it for probably a lot less than $196k, but still a decent profit.

    1. Re:He could have melted them down by dfsmith · · Score: 1

      Quarters are supposedly over 91% copper. The 75/25 alloy is just for the "silver" cladding. 5 tons of copper at today's price is worth about $22k.

    2. Re:He could have melted them down by Firethorn · · Score: 2

      Something that can be readily checked.

      Per the mint, a quarter is 5.670 grams, 8.33% Nickel, balance copper. So 5.2 grams of copper per coin. $3.65 per pound is about the best you can hope for.
      At 454 grams per pound, you're looking at about 4 cents per quarter.

      You're probably better off just laundering the money through various means. Hit up the coin exchange whenever you go to walmart, for about $100 or so. Etc...

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    3. Re:He could have melted them down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Convert them to pre 1983 pennis then
      Based on http://www.coinflation.com the copper pennies from between 1909 and 1982 are 95% copper and worth about 1.46c (or 146% of their face value). It wouldn't be enough to pay off the fine but it'd be getting closer.

    4. Re:He could have melted them down by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

      Copper was selling for $3.65/lb at its peak, years ago. It's now down to $2.20/lb. Further, that price is for "Grade A" pure copper. The 95% copper found in pre-1982 cents would get you less, even if it were legal to melt them down.

      Coinflation reports current "melt prices" (the amount you could be paid for metal content, assuming you could separate the component metals for free) of current and obsolete US coins. For US clad coins to be "worth" more than face value, the dollar price of their nickel and copper would have to rise to almost nine times its current value.

      Silver coins are another story. They actually trade at more than the value of the silver they contain -- their "melt price" is just over 11 times face value, but you can sell them in quantity for more than 12x, and you'll generally need to pay more than that to buy them.

    5. Re:He could have melted them down by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Silver coins are another story. They actually trade at more than the value of the silver they contain -- their "melt price" is just over 11 times face value, but you can sell them in quantity for more than 12x, and you'll generally need to pay more than that to buy them.

      Didn't you just say that trading for 11x their melt value is pretty normal? It's just that silver coins are even more extreme - 11x melt, vs 9x. The only outlier would be old copper pennies, which have a face under that of their melt.

      Having being able to sell in quantity at 12X, but needing to pay even more than that to buy them is pretty standard. The way I tend to put it - the more "buy gold coins!" advertisements you hear, the less of a good idea it generally is.

      Realistically speaking, from what I've heard most gold coin - ones that aren't actually currency, is that you'll pay that 12X price per coin, but generally when you go to sell them you'll not only only get melt value, but have to pay assessment costs to ensure that they aren't fake and such as well. So you're taken both ways, and that assumes nobody steals the coins from you.

      Buying gold futures or such - where the gold never enters your hands, is a different story, but still not going to save you if the market completely collapses.

      In a total market collapse, I tend to say that copper plated lead is probably a better investment. ;)

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    6. Re:He could have melted them down by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

      I... I'm not sure what you're trying to say. What's "more extreme" than what? Why are "old copper pennies" an "outlier" for having a face value less than their melt value, when the same is true of all silver coins and all gold coins?

      The spot value of the silver in $1.00 worth of silver quarters (or dimes or half dollars) is around $11. If you melted them down, refined them into .999 silver, and cast that silver as part of a "good delivery bar", that's how much you'd get for it in the big exchanges. (Note that "good delivery bars" are a lot bigger than that, though, generally around 1000 troy ounces, currently about $15K per bar.)

      However, the coins are worth more if you DON'T melt and refine them in the current market. Gather enough silver coins to be worth $1000 or $10000 at today's silver price -- that's actual value, not face value -- and you can sell them to the big dealers for 12 or more times face value. To buy them back from those same big dealers, you'll pay 13 or 14 times face value, because the dealers need to make money.

      Gold coins currently have a melt value about 61.5 times their face value. You can sometimes buy common $5, $10 or $20 gold coins for not too much more than melt value. $1 and $2.5 coins have more numismatic value unless they're severely damaged, $3 coins are quite expensive, and $4 patterns and $50 commemoratives are stratospheric.

    7. Re:He could have melted them down by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      The spot value of the silver in $1.00 worth of silver quarters (or dimes or half dollars) is around $11. If you melted them down, refined them into .999 silver, and cast that silver as part of a "good delivery bar", that's how much you'd get for it in the big exchanges. (Note that "good delivery bars" are a lot bigger than that, though, generally around 1000 troy ounces, currently about $15K per bar.)

      Oh, so that's what you meant.
      Face value is less than melt value is less than actual sale price. Okay, that works.

      I'm always careful about 'commemorative' coins. There's a number of people who tried to invest in Franklin Mint stuff and lost their asses doing it. As one site puts it, 'do your homework'.

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    8. Re:He could have melted them down by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

      It's also worth clarifying that we're talking about US silver coins of standard composition, not Franklin Mint "sterling" or "layered" or "gold/platinum edition" dreck. US silver is reliably 90% silver, 10% copper.

      The US Mint does (still) produce official commemorative coins each year. Usually, it's half-dollars minted in copper-nickel clad composition, dollars minted in the same size and composition as traditional silver dollars (26.73 g of 90% silver, 10% copper), and gold $5 coins minted in the same size and composition as traditional half eagles (8.36 g of 90% gold, 10% copper). There are also oddities like the First Spouse series (1/2 troy ounce of .999 gold), last year's Kennedy commemorative half (3/4 troy ounce of .999 gold), and whatnot.

  17. Re:So typical of someone from AL by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

    In a completely unrelated story, CoinStar announces an extra $20,000 in profit from machines around the Alabama area...

  18. How dumb! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real thing to steal is the penny stamping machine, now that's how you make money!

    1. Re:How dumb! by dfsmith · · Score: 1

      Given that it costs about 1.7 cents to make a penny, you can claim back the losses on your taxes. Bingo!

  19. It's the little coins that get you every time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did the Brink's employee see Superman 3 by any chance ? ^_^

  20. Re: So typical of someone from AL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the difference? Both places are backwards and suck.

  21. Re: So typical of someone from AL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad the FBI is protecting us from his kind.

  22. "what would you do with the proceeds?" by Nutria · · Score: 1

    Bring them -- in roughly $100 batches -- to various CoinStar machines in your and the surrounding counties. Sure, you'll lose 11%, but that's 11% of free money.

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    1. Re:"what would you do with the proceeds?" by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      Bring them -- in roughly $100 batches -- to various CoinStar machines in your and the surrounding counties. Sure, you'll lose 11%, but that's 11% of free money.

      Coinstar use would easily get him caught.

      First, there are cameras IN them and pointed at them. Also, to get cash you get a voucher and go to the service desk where there is a camera (and probably showing of an ID.) So now you have lots of points of contact and an easy cross-reference.

      The gift cards you could probably use (they print out a receipt with a code) but you can't sell those because to be verified, you give out the number and that's as good as the card. Plus, you have to ship stuff to your house for Amazon or whatever.

      You DO need a front of some kind to make this work, or and obsession of some kind (like gambling in bars, a casino, or a coin op business like an "honor box").

      Come to think of it, gambling machines in bars give out about 50% but that won't matter if what you put in is stolen.

    2. Re:"what would you do with the proceeds?" by Nutria · · Score: 1

      First, there are cameras IN them and pointed at them.

      That's why you'd spread it around.

      I wonder how long CS keeps those records, and if they run scans for suspicious repeat conversions. Would the FBI be smart enough to ask CoinStar? (They sure weren't very bright with terrorist iPhone...)

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    3. Re:"what would you do with the proceeds?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ID is not generally required for Coinstar vouchers under a certain amount. If you get asked to show ID for Coinstar, they're already suspicious.

    4. Re:"what would you do with the proceeds?" by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Coinstar use would easily get him caught.

      If he tried to batch it over a narrow period of time. $100 once a month, varied between locations, should be enough to avoid connecting him to the crime.

      Still, that would take 163 years to launder the whole haul, so that wouldn't be sufficient. You could supplement that with using coins for 'everything' you can. Whenever you buy stuff, give them a couple bucks of quarters along with the other money. Go wild at a quarter slot machine(might be hard to find). Etc...

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    5. Re:"what would you do with the proceeds?" by swb · · Score: 2

      I would think a front would only be necessary for a long-term ongoing scam where you had a limitless supply of coins. $196,000 sounds like a lot of money, but the big jar on my dresser when filled usually yields close to $500 when I cash them in.

      The safe thing to do would not be looking for a way to cash them all in quickly, but to cash in $2000 a month at varied locations in approximately $500 lots. $2000 a month in tax-free cash would make a nice boost in income and could be used for dining out and other common cash purchases, and the amount is probably low enough to not attract any scrutiny.

      You could probably even use the same location with the right attitude and a believable narrative, like you own a couple of vending machines in your business lunchroom or laundry machines in your apartments, or you have a freelance business that brings in quarters and don't want to deal with banks.

      My only real concern wouldn't be getting caught because cashing in a lot of quarters is suspicion of a theft but that the coin-op business is notorious for involvement by organized crime and tax evasion. The IRS may review coin-cashing business records looking for tax evasion patterns.

      I also wonder if it would be possible to just open a business banking account for a phony front business like a laundry or car wash and just take the coins to the bank. You'd have to pay taxes and make it look legitimate on paper, but it would be a perfect front for just using the bank for cashing in the coins.

    6. Re:"what would you do with the proceeds?" by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      [...] the big jar on my dresser when filled usually yields close to $500 when I cash them in.

      That's a mixture of old and new coins. If the stolen quarters were all brand new, it would tip off someone that something suspicious was going on. Especially if the quarters popped up in regular batches in a particular geographic area.

    7. Re:"what would you do with the proceeds?" by swb · · Score: 1

      I kind of doubt anyone's going to know. I've waited in line to use the coin machine at the bank and seen the two people in front of me dump almost as many coins as I did into the machine. Nobody emptied the machine after each customer to check the coins.

      By the time the bank actually empties the machine the individual denomination hoppers are filled with so many coins that the ones *I* deposited are already mixed in.

      I think a lot of this "getting away with it" business depends on getting away with the original crime -- stealing the contents of the coin bags to begin with. If you can get away with *that* part of it cleanly (either they NEVER find out or only years later and can't reduce the suspect population meaningfully), then laundering a zillion coins by itself just won't be that complicated.

      If you're on a very short list of suspects, then unloading a lot of quarters becomes really complicated.

  23. Survivalists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Survivalists hoard quarters to get the silver.

    1. Re: Survivalists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that only 1964 and older?
      Would be better off just paying the 26 bucks for silver coins at the treasury.

  24. Get Medieval by bosef1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Should this ruffian be apprehended, I believe the correct punishment, as warning and deterrent to others, is that he be drawn... and quartered.

    1. Re:Get Medieval by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Funny

      You had to chime in with your two bits didn't you? :-)

    2. Re:Get Medieval by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      They were just two-bit thieves.

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    3. Re:Get Medieval by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can't make heads or tails of these posts.

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    4. Re:Get Medieval by infinite9 · · Score: 1

      They should give him no quarter.

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    5. Re:Get Medieval by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      He should definitely go away for a very long dime.

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    6. Re:Get Medieval by CauseBy · · Score: 1

      Well, you know what they say: carpe dime, or seize the coin.

  25. even better by sacrilicious · · Score: 2

    That's a million-quarter fine, or 216,000 more quarters than Dennis stole.

    Nerdgasm: 216,000 is 60 cubed !!!

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    1. Re: even better by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Sounds more like an assgasm.

    2. Re:even better by hippo · · Score: 1

      To be truly nerdy he would have to turn up at court to pay the fine with a forklift and a shrink-wrapped 60x60x60 stack of quarters on a palette.

  26. Apt cookie: by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

    The reward of a thing well done is to have done it. -- Emerson

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  27. Move to Seattle by PPH · · Score: 2

    ... and your parking expenses will be covered for a couple of years.

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  28. Totally misguided by Beeftopia · · Score: 1

    "The Best Way To Rob A Bank Is To Own One." by William K. Black

    "You come to us today telling us "We're sorry. We won't do it again. Trust us". Well i have some people in my constituency that actually robbed some of your banks, and they say the same thing." -- Representative Mike Capuano quoted in The Inside Job.

  29. Ingots by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 2

    Nah, it's cheaper to just smelt them down into zinc ingots. It's legal (only illegal to melt down pennies and nickels, if I recall) and having a lot of zinc ingots has an easier explanation. (Ex: So, I was going to buy gold bars for when the Apocalypse happens, but I figure that nobody needs gold, per se, but quite a few people need zinc. At least, that's what the guy I bought them off of said. I met him in a bar.)

    1. Re:Ingots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      US Quarters are made of copper and nickel.

    2. Re:Ingots by operagost · · Score: 1

      Quarters contain no zinc. They are mostly copper, with the remainder nickel.

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  30. Re: So typical of someone from AL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Troy here.

    TRUMP 2016!

  31. $196000 in quarters by phorm · · Score: 1

    He was probably just looking forward to *finally* having a chance at beating Sinistar and Gauntlet

    1. Re:$196000 in quarters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With Gauntlet, the trick is to play two characters, and put the quarters into the character you do NOT want the high score on, avoid food with it. I'm not sure if that works with Gauntlet 2, though.

  32. Competition between hillbillies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alabama Man is actually dumber than Florida Man! Who would have thought?

  33. Brink's ?? it belongs to someone named Brink? by spatley · · Score: 2

    nice greengrocers apostrophe
    http://www.oxforddictionaries....

    sorry to go all grammar fascist but the name of the company is Brinks right?

    http://www.brinks.com/

    1. Re:Brink's ?? it belongs to someone named Brink? by Tim+the+Gecko · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seems like there is an apostrophe in their name (but not in their logo) - http://www.brinks.com/en/

    2. Re:Brink's ?? it belongs to someone named Brink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Brink's was founded in Chicago on May 5, 1859 when Perry Brink purchased a horse-drawn wagon and made his first delivery."

  34. Gum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, that is a lot of chewing gum.

  35. The guy who made casino slugs by swb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Casinos all seem to use electronic tokens now with barcoded chits that print out when you cash out.

    There's a History or Discovery channel documentary about a guy who made slugs for casinos during the brief era between coins and electronic tokens. The guy was a retired toolmaker with a little extra money and he bought some equipment capable of making a detailed copy of casino tokens, created a die for stamping them and churned out several.

    The first batch didn't work because the machines rejected its magnetic signature. He demilled the design off an actual token and had a metallurgical analysis done and found a commercial alloy used for flatware that was a close match. Those tokens worked.

    He would go into a casino, buy a small amount of tokens and then play with a mix of his counterfeits and real tokens. I don't recall if he mostly made money from winnings payouts or by cashing in his fake tokens. He ultimately got caught, I think by visiting the same casino too often, but his copies were nearly indistinguishable from the originals -- I think they actually had to do a metallurgical analysis to determine which were fakes.

  36. Not Parking Meters Or Laundry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... or Pac-Man or Coinstar.

    What else takes quarters? Soda machines.
    Dude is obviously a Coke Fiend.

    Now about the numbers tossed around:
    "So, how does one make off with 9,800 (9774) pounds in quarters? That's almost 5 tons, roughly the weight of a pair of Toyota Priuses or mid-sized giraffes."

    I don't know about giraffes, but a Prius weighs around 3000 pounds. This estimate is ~1.25 Priuses low.
    More like a pair of Range Rovers...

  37. I went to high school with the thief.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It took me awhile to realize this was a pal of mine from high school, the thing is no one ever called him by his real name, everyone called him by his nickname. He was a bit weird, but overall a nice guy. I hope that my old pal Jingles doesn't get sent away for too long.

  38. Gumballs. by sabbede · · Score: 1
    That's what I'd do with all those quarters.

    Not just gum though, mostly candy.

  39. So wait by wardrich86 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When an average guy steals money, he gets fined more than what he stole AND jail time... but when a corporation steals money, they get fined a fraction of what they stole and a slap on the wrist? America - what an amazing country.

    1. Re:So wait by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 1

      If only he'd had the foresight to incorporate as an LLC first, then he might be immune from prosecution, and could just bankrupt his company to avoid the fine.

    2. Re:So wait by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      He should have stole lots of bills instead of lots of coins. The rules are different when you are really rich.

  40. Coinstar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coinstar is all he needed

  41. News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this either of those things?

  42. Re: So typical of someone from AL by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Republican =/= Racist

    Democrats are just as racist as Republicans. They treat black people like they are children and prevent them from moving up by making the jump from welfare to work be extremely expensive.

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  43. Laundry by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 1

    Lots and lots and laundry... and no more need to put all my clothes into one big machine and have them end up all wrinkly. I could finally actually afford to separate my whites from my darks from my towels and sheets. Oh wait, I don't actually wash my sheets. But I digress...

  44. His punishment should include... by kenh · · Score: 1

    His punishment should include counting and rolling all those quarters - that's 19,600 rolls of quarters.

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    1. Re:His punishment should include... by CauseBy · · Score: 1

      Yeah but then you'd just end up with almost twenty thousand paper rolls full of beads.

  45. The challenge of this heist by UncleGizmo · · Score: 2

    I think the challenge of this heist, aside from the massive weights involved, would be the replacing of the quarters with beads - so you're not just taking quarters out of bags (putting them into other containers), but you're also bringing IN equivalent size/weight material to replace what you've stolen. That's a brute force hack!

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  46. Quarters! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Without laundering:
    That certain hotel with the vibrating bed..... check.
    Every gumball and toy in the quarter-toy-gumball dispenser. All over town... check.
    Parking... check.
    Condom dispensers in bathrooms at gas stations... check.
    twinky dispensers... check.

    With laundering:
    wide open... check.

  47. Re:Well... did some quick research on how to clean by onepoint · · Score: 1

    well I took my time, did some quick research for southern Florida ...
    we change to $$$ machines in the major supermarkets
    using $75 + 1 to 24 random we come out with 2300 ( 3% variance) stops average

    buy some food for the house ( 10.00 ) per stop
    now the change machine will credit you the service fee
    and we have about 3 stops per day on a 5 day work week
    3 to 4 years of work ( 210 work year )
    clearing 200 a day
    and eating healthier.

    I don't think I can find more than 15 supermarkets to hit in 1 week to do everything

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  48. CoinStar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here he comes.

  49. Re: So typical of someone from AL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Live in Albany. Can confirm. This place is infested with Republicans.

    Repulicans in Albany? The city of Albany, NY? Are you serious? I live in Albany, there are very little republicans here. One time, over a decade ago, I got a call from the head of the local Republican party asking me to run for the 11th ward Alderman seat. I replied, "but I am not not even a Republican", his response was "Your the closest thing we got in the 11th ward"

  50. Shel Silverstein covered this by rpstrong · · Score: 1

    $100,000 in Pennies

        - Written by Shel Silverstein, sung by Bobby Bare

  51. New business opens up by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    It exchanges your money for quarters so that you can do your laundry and is open past 4 PM so that you can actually get to it.