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Home Depot Will Pay Up To $19.5 Million For Massive 2014 Data Breach (csoonline.com)

itwbennett writes: In remedy for the 2014 data breach that included the theft of data pertaining to about 56 million payment cards, as well as 53 million email addresses, Home Depot has reportedly agreed to pay $13 million to reimburse customers for their losses and $6.5 million to provide them with 18 months of identity protection services. And while the company was not required to admit wrongdoing, it has agreed to hire a chief information security officer.

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  1. Only 19 million? by Fwipp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry we let criminals get your card info. Here's thirty cents.

    1. Re:Only 19 million? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good timing. I just got notification of another data breach on my credit card and they're issuing another card because of it. Didn't say who did it this time.

    2. Re:Only 19 million? by linear+a · · Score: 1

      More like two bits. As in "two bit ..."

    3. Re:Only 19 million? by halivar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, no, the lawyers will surely get a bigger cut than that.

    4. Re:Only 19 million? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lawyers have children, just like any regular people. How else can little Timmy grow up big and strong to protect you from big evil corporations? Please think of the lawyers' children!!!!

  2. Payment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One 2x4 for every customer...

    1. Re:Payment by MiniMike · · Score: 2

      One 2x4 for every customer...

      That would be fine if we get to hit the criminals with it.

    2. Re:Payment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should get to hit the criminals with it while Home Depot management watches. And then we should get to hit Home Depot management with it next.

  3. Yay for more "identify protection services" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sony got away with that shit, too. And you'll notice they're subscription services that are a pain to cancel later.

    The question for the Depot is: why wasn't the data encrypted?

    FYI: Sony's 2008, 2011 and 2014 hacks (SQL injections - and not including the embarrassing email dumps), demonstrated Sony don't even hash users' passwords.

    1. Re:Yay for more "identify protection services" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sony got away with that shit, too. And you'll notice they're subscription services that are a pain to cancel later.

      The question for the Depot is: why wasn't the data encrypted?

      FYI: Sony's 2008, 2011 and 2014 hacks (SQL injections - and not including the embarrassing email dumps), demonstrated Sony don't even hash users' passwords.

      Depending on the service, it might be quite nice.

      The service provided to those that got their data stolen in the OPM hack is quite extensive, and easy to use.

  4. Agreed to hire CSO? by sinij · · Score: 2

    Agreed to hire CSO? Did they also agreed to stop using stone tools and clay pots as part of their core business process? Just asking to make sure.

    1. Re:Agreed to hire CSO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed to hire CSO? Did they also agreed to stop using stone tools and clay pots as part of their core business process? Just asking to make sure.

      It's Home Depot, stone tools and clay pots are a part of their core business.

  5. That's a Long Time!!! by moehoward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    18 free months of credit protection! Awesome. Home Depot really took it on the chin there, just like all the other leakers!!!

    Doesn't everyone's SSN and mother's maiden name change every year or so? 18 months should totally cover that. Why just last week I got my new SSN! I think my mother's maiden name is up for renewal pretty soon as well as my address, address history, bank account numbers, and mortgage. 18 months? No sweat. I'm protected!

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    1. Re:That's a Long Time!!! by kaur · · Score: 0

      Doesn't everyone's SSN and mother's maiden name change every year or so?

      SSN and your genealogy are immutable, public data.
      Why should Home Depot or anyone else be paying if those will be available from yet another source?

      Seriously, Americans, stop obsessing about public data being public.

    2. Re:That's a Long Time!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      18 free months of credit protection! Awesome. Home Depot really took it on the chin there, just like all the other leakers!!!

      Doesn't everyone's SSN and mother's maiden name change every year or so? 18 months should totally cover that. Why just last week I got my new SSN! I think my mother's maiden name is up for renewal pretty soon as well as my address, address history, bank account numbers, and mortgage. 18 months? No sweat. I'm protected!

      Not to dismiss the impact here, but the OPM hack makes this data look like a fucking booger by comparison.

    3. Re:That's a Long Time!!! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Is there any reason you can't change your SSN and mother's maiden name every year? Aside from the hassle, most places just use that as some memorable information rather than as a key to link to other databases, so it doesn't matter if you lie.

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    4. Re:That's a Long Time!!! by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      In the case of the SSN, there are some restrictions

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    5. Re:That's a Long Time!!! by vux984 · · Score: 2

      Ok... I've got to ask... why have you been entering your SSN and mother's maiden name into Home Depot's payment terminals?

      Seriously, their payment terminals were compromised... what information do you think was actually stolen exactly??

    6. Re:That's a Long Time!!! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Err... We're not the ones with cookie notification laws, a right to be forgotten, and strange laws on how you can and can not collect information. I know it's fun to bash the US but that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me.

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  6. so it goes by ole_timer · · Score: 3

    they also announced that your furnace filter will now cost $.03 more to pay for it. so it goes.

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    1. Re:so it goes by operagost · · Score: 1

      Um, you can buy everything Home Depot sells from somewhere else. If they choose to raise their prices and hope that they don't lose sales to competition, that's their call.

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    2. Re:so it goes by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      HD's business suffered not one iota...

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    3. Re:so it goes by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Yeah, as a matter of fact, there is probably a Lowes or Mendards right across the street...

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  7. Talk about a slap on the wrist by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the 2014 data breach that included the theft of data pertaining to about 56 million payment cards, as well as 53 million email addresses, Home Depot has reportedly agreed to pay $13 million to reimburse customers for their losses and $6.5 million to provide them with 18 months of identity protection services.

    So they are paying $0.35 per affected customer. That my friends is the very definition of a slap on the wrist.

  8. 40% is attorney's fees by Etherwalk · · Score: 2

    So the purpose of cases like this is not *really* to get money back, so much as it is to fine a company for something that should never have happened and maybe make them take a corrective step or two... but legal fees were around 8 million bucks.

    Which is kinda silly, because it was pretty obvious from the get-go that a company that loses data on 56 million payments sure as hell screwed up.

    1. Re:40% is attorney's fees by Nunya666 · · Score: 1

      So who is screwing up America faster?

      Greedy/incompetent/careless corporations?
      Greedy lawyers?
      Greedy executives, who still get their golden parachute even after f***ing up a company?
      Greedy/moronic politicians?

      Notice any similarity in those choices? Greed, the root of all evil.

    2. Re:40% is attorney's fees by halivar · · Score: 1

      Yes?

    3. Re:40% is attorney's fees by geekmux · · Score: 1

      So who is screwing up America faster? Greedy/incompetent/careless corporations? Greedy lawyers? Greedy executives, who still get their golden parachute even after f***ing up a company? Greedy/moronic politicians? Notice any similarity in those choices? Greed, the root of all evil.

      *grabs thesaurus and looks up synonyms for Greed*

      Huh, that's odd. Under the United States subcategory, it merely says Capitalism.

      I wonder why...

  9. what does that add to the cost of a nut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    solar panels? where are the victims?

  10. Terrible IT Shop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a local company for me. They are always hiring. Revolving door culture in the IT department. Several people left where I work, went there and came back on their knees begging to return. All the usual maladies: offshoring, H1B abuse, cronyism, terrible leaders and managers. This breach is not a surprise at all. Someone forgot to do the needful.

  11. Slap on the wrist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Should be $19.5 billion

  12. To Plaintiff Lawyers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You ain't gettin shit!

  13. the victims are still being held hostage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by theft protection & identity restoration scamsters?

  14. Boy do I feel more secure. by vtcodger · · Score: 1

    "And while the company was not required to admit wrongdoing, it has agreed to hire a chief information security officer."

    Wow, Golly Gee. A Chief Information Security Officer!!! That should do the trick right there.

    Am I the only person on this planet that thinks that our current public communications and computing technology is completely incapable of securing anything?

    I further think that the proposed solutions -- complex unique passwords, multi-factor authentication, BioID, ( http://www.discovery.com/tv-sh... ) etc aren't going to work. Anybody with me on that?

    And I think that, yes, all that is likely to be a bit of a societal problem. Anybody else?

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    1. Re:Boy do I feel more secure. by operagost · · Score: 1

      Anybody else?

      No.

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    2. Re:Boy do I feel more secure. by bravecanadian · · Score: 1

      "And while the company was not required to admit wrongdoing, it has agreed to hire a chief information security officer."

      Wow, Golly Gee. A Chief Information Security Officer!!! That should do the trick right there.

      Am I the only person on this planet that thinks that our current public communications and computing technology is completely incapable of securing anything?

      I further think that the proposed solutions -- complex unique passwords, multi-factor authentication, BioID, ( http://www.discovery.com/tv-sh... ) etc aren't going to work. Anybody with me on that?

      And I think that, yes, all that is likely to be a bit of a societal problem. Anybody else?

      You're exactly right. It is impossible to secure anything.

      All you can do is mitigate the risks as best you can.

      A slap on the wrist like this does very little to increase the risks to companies.

      They would take the low penalty rather than invest even more money in securing things to the level we are capable of (even that isn't 100% obviously).

      Financial risks are all a company cares about, after all.

  15. Coming soon to Home Depot.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Higher Prices to punish customers.

    Lawyers get rich as fuck, scam "credit monitoring" companies get rich as fuck. Consumers just get fucked.

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    1. Re: Coming soon to Home Depot.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So don't go to Home Depot. The IRS has been hacked even worse, with no punishment to them at all. Yet you still advocate for bigger government with no accountability for them.

      Not sure any point from you on this topic is relevant.

    2. Re: Coming soon to Home Depot.... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

      The IRS has been hacked even worse,

      No, it hasn't. Not even close to the 56 MILLION payment cards affected by Home Depot's breach.

      The IRS has said roughly 700,000 people, or 0.013% the number Home Depot let loose, were affected by their breach.

      Target had 40 MILLION people affected by their breach in 2013.

      So no, the IRS was not hacked worse, not in any fantasy world you can conceive. Not even in the same galaxy by comparison.

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    3. Re: Coming soon to Home Depot.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Home Depot doesn't collect SSNS and tax data. IRS breach was far worse.

    4. Re: Coming soon to Home Depot.... by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      Which hack was worse? Hard to say.

      With the IRS hack they got 700k complete sets of tax info, including SSNs, allowing them to acquire hundreds of millions in fake refunds in those 700k names; and also allowing all kinds of interesting shenanigans with identity theft. As a guy who works as a tax preparer during the season, I guarantee 100% of those 700k had at least one, and probably 2-3 really fucking bad days due to that breach.

      OTOH, as one of the 56 million my bank re-issued my Credit Card before anybody used it illicitly, so instead of having a really bad day I had about 40 minutes of switching the credit card number on sites that auto-bill me.

      Don't get me wrong, 56 million credit card numbers is a huge fucking deal and they probably should pay more, but the nature of the information taken and the relative ease of completely immunizing yourself from the problem, makes it really hard to say that Home Depot was worse because it had 80 times the victims.

  16. Time for a new unique ID by bangular · · Score: 3, Interesting

    SSN was never intended to be a unique ID for things like credit. Its purpose was for social security. I think it's high time the government funded grants to pay our best mathematicians to come up with a new system. Maybe something involving a physical token. Not sure what such a system would look like, but it's obvious SSN for credit and medical purposes is broken. Hell, SSN isn't even guaranteed to be unique!

    1. Re:Time for a new unique ID by jsepeta · · Score: 1

      a physical token, because nobody has ever gotten away with stealing bitcoins.

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    2. Re:Time for a new unique ID by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      The problem is not the unique identifier use of the SSN.

      The problem is that it is mistakenly used for authentication in some systems.

      The number should only be used to correlate you to a record (like and e-mail address). To utilize the data in that record a second factor needs to be used for authentication (password, government issued ID, etc).

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    3. Re: Time for a new unique ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Nobody has ever gotten away with stealing Bitcoin" -- you might want to research that one, a bit. Didn't a whole Bitcoin mining collective get emptied out from under the participants?

  17. new kitchen by monkeyman.kix · · Score: 2

    So in addition to my 29.99 % interest rate on my HD credit card, I will get a rebate of 35 cents. nice! now lets start planning out my new kitchen

  18. I'm sure they'll be out of business soon enough by bangular · · Score: 2

    I can't imagine Home Depot still being in business 10 or 15 years from now. Walking through Home Depot reminds me of every retail chain 6 months before filing for bankruptcy. Lumber is always in bad shape. Overpriced tools. Nursery can't compare to local mom and pop places. The only thing that makes sense to buy from Home Depot are consumables like nails and tape. I can't imagine nails and tape keeping them in business. Home Depot reminds me of Radio Shack circa 2010.

    1. Re:I'm sure they'll be out of business soon enough by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Informative

      I can't imagine Home Depot still being in business 10 or 15 years from now. Walking through Home Depot reminds me of every retail chain 6 months before filing for bankruptcy. Lumber is always in bad shape. Overpriced tools. Nursery can't compare to local mom and pop places. The only thing that makes sense to buy from Home Depot are consumables like nails and tape. I can't imagine nails and tape keeping them in business. Home Depot reminds me of Radio Shack circa 2010.

      Home Depot is actually much larger than the warehouse you visit - they're a literal supply chain. There are contractor versions of Home Depot ("HD Supply" - guess what HD stands for?) whose sole purpose is to supply all the contractors with stuff, kinda-sorta like Costco, but also a one-stop shop for materials and everything.

      Sure, you can find better - you can go to a local nursery for better plants, a lumber yard for better lumber, etc.,but building contractors don't typically want to make 100 stops for all their supplies. If they need more than a few cords of lumber they might contract with a lumber yard for that, but basic supplies they will do it at Home Depot or the contractor store. And yes, in a pinch, they will also go to Home Depot to pick up supplies - again, because they can make one stop to do it.

    2. Re:I'm sure they'll be out of business soon enough by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      As a Home Depot employee, I really don;t think you understand the business model. Lumber/drywall/concrete/etc. are not there to dominate the homeowner's market, they are there to dominate the contractor's market. Thus that department always looks like shit (not like shit would cost money), the product is not replaced if it's got damage a contractor wouldn't care about because he's about to paint it, and it's all sold at actual cost. Plants are the responsibility of a local partner (in Ohio they're called "Green Circle"), we do nothing for them except water them.

      OTOH, a nail costs a fraction of a penny to make, and can generally be sold for several pennies. The reason we have that ugly/underpriced lumber to attract contractors is that the contractors will need nails for all the cheap/ugly lumber they're buying, and that's where we make money.

      It's actually working surprisingly well. $7 Bill in profit on $85 Bill in revenue. In most industries a 3% margin would be great, and we're double that. I see some problems (in particular, for a store that needs people who are knowledgeable about construction, it's quite quick to find reasons to fire you once you break that $10 an hour barrier), but Amazon is not gonna seize our lumber market share, and people are not gonna suddenly decide to buy nails on Amazon.com and then go to Home Depot for the lumber whenever the package arrives.

    3. Re:I'm sure they'll be out of business soon enough by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Home Depot is more for small general contractors than anyone else.

      I doubt that even 1/4 of their business is from individual home user sales.

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    4. Re:I'm sure they'll be out of business soon enough by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      The thing about contractors is they are businessmen, paying their guys (or "guyses" as several of ours like to put it) hourly.

      If they get to the job-site and a bunch of little shit is needed they aren't gonna pay their guyses to sit on their asses bullshitting about the Browns for three hours while the boss makes stops at a half-dozen specialty stores. They'll show up at the nearest Home Depot or Lowe's, buy everything, get their guyses started, and then maybe head to9 a specialty store for that one damn thing Home Depot didn't carry.

    5. Re:I'm sure they'll be out of business soon enough by sexconker · · Score: 1

      people are not gonna suddenly decide to buy nails on Amazon.com and then go to Home Depot for the lumber whenever the package arrives.

      I have done exactly this.

    6. Re:I'm sure they'll be out of business soon enough by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      people are not gonna suddenly decide to buy nails on Amazon.com and then go to Home Depot for the lumber whenever the package arrives.

      I have done exactly this.

      That's unusual. Partly because very few people think of projects as something you stockpile shit for, and partly because you might go to Home Depot and find out your whole plan won't work because nobody in Northeast Ohio stocks that kind of Fence Panel in December, and you've got to a) wait until March, b) pay to have multiple 40-lb fence panels shipped to Cleveland, or c) switch over to chain link fence and have to get a whole new set of fasteners.

      It could become more common, and if anybody has tried that shit they're probably on slashdot, but note the Home Depot business model is quite flexible. Much more flexible then most of the retailers undone by Amazon.

      In particular since you have to come in for the lumber anyway, Home Depot can simply stop charging cost for it. Maybe a registered contractor gets cost, somebody who buys $X of nails gets cost+10%, and your ass is paying cost+20%. Since shipping shit like drywall and 10 ft 2x4s requires different trucks then package delivery, and not even Amazon can actually afford to ship that shit to your house for the cost of a Prime Membership.

  19. Meanwhile at the IRS by Kohath · · Score: 2

    When the IRS let criminals get your data, no one faced any consequences at all.

  20. Cheap-o Credit Monitoring Inc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is the second (perhaps third) data breach article that quotes an insanely low credit monitoring cost.

    Do the math: 56m cards @ 6.5m dollars for 18 months --> 0.006 dollars per card per month.

    What kind of credit monitoring do you get for half a penny a month?!?

  21. Home Depot is doing fine by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't imagine Home Depot still being in business 10 or 15 years from now.

    Really? I can't imagine them not being around. Home Depot made $7 billion on $85 billion in sales last year. There is nothing on the market that is going to replace them soon. They're not really vulnerable to Amazon for much of what they sell (can't ship lumber UPS) and the local mom and pops are too specialized or too small to compete effectively.

    Walking through Home Depot reminds me of every retail chain 6 months before filing for bankruptcy.

    I'm in Home Depot's routinely and you have a very different impression from me. Sure it looks like a warehouse but that's actually on purpose. Their founder designed it that way. It's not supposed to look like an Apple Store. Their founder reportedly drove a forklift around their first store just before it opened trying to get scuff marks on the floor - on purpose.

    Home Depot reminds me of Radio Shack circa 2010.

    Umm, yeah... no. The two are nothing like each other.

    1. Re:Home Depot is doing fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lowes and Menards are better, cheaper, and have already replaced many Home Depot locations. Of the ones that are left, Home Depot is the store people go to when all the others are out of something.

      If you have not tried the alternatives, you have been paying too much for inferior goods.

    2. Re:Home Depot is doing fine by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      In Northeast Ohio there is no significant difference between Home Depot and Lowe's.

      Menard's just opened up a few locations, and a) everything is new and pristine, and b) they're trying to make a good impression so the stores are both beautiful and adequetely-staffed (established stores will have low-ball their staffing numbers on the basis that people will wait two minutes while you finish with the other guy, new stores need to make a perfect impression so they pay top dollar to make sure you'll be able to find someone who is area-klnowledgeable pretty much the second you walk through the door), but they don't seem to be significantly cheaper.

  22. I had my card used... by Blinkin1200 · · Score: 2

    I had my card used at a Target in Wilmington DE when I was sitting at my kitchen table in NJ. After a bunch of phone calls from me to my bank, at Target, I realized it wasn't worth the effort to get the police report filed and work through the process just to see the face of the person that used my card. Yes, Target confirmed they had video of the person at the register using my card, and trying to use my card again later. My bank confirmed this card number was snagged in the Home Depot breach. If you want to make me happy, burn down every other Home Depot store, and jail those responsible for not securing their network at Home Depot. Those people shouldn't be allowed near any technology, then again they never have been. It is almost enough to push me over to the dark side. Maybe I'll swing by next Saturday morning with my spray bottle of Liquid Ass. (read the comments on Amazon).

  23. Prices are the same between Lowes and Home Depot by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lowes and Menards are better, cheaper, and have already replaced many Home Depot locations.

    Lowes is in no way, shape or form cheaper than Home Depot. There is very little difference in price between the two on average and I shop in both routinely. There is also plenty of evidence of people price comparing the two (spend two seconds on Google looking) and they almost always come out pretty close in price. You might find a deal in one or the other but if you think Lowes is cheaper you are not basing that on objective evidence.

    You can get better prices than either sometimes going to specialty stores but whether that is worthwhile depends on how much running around you plan to do.

    I can't speak for Menards as there isn't one near me but I'm dubious their prices are meaningfully less.

  24. Cut me a check? by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    I've been a victim of so many data breeches I now have three different experian and life lock memberships courtesy of various companies and give agencies who mishandled my vital particulars. I really don't need another one. I only accept these now because I think data mismanagement is a crime and since they won't be prosecuted they at least need to feel the sting in their wallet. But as long as they are paying give me the cash not experian.

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    1. Re:Cut me a check? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      About a year ago after the Target breach I went through the effort of locking my credit report at the 3 major agencies.

      Now, in theory, I don't have to worry about someone opening new lines of credit in my name.

      It cost me a total of about $30 (10/agency).

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  25. Re:Prices are the same between Lowes and Home Depo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like Lowes better but the selection is 10x better at Home Depot. If the employees didn't suck, I'd go there more often.

  26. so obvious i won't even use 3.??? step. by nazsco · · Score: 1

    1. pay big store CEO or CTO a bribe of $1b
    2. he finds a 'data-breach'
    3. big store pays up $1b, not in fines, but purchasing useless protection from your company
    4. PROFIT! (you get your $1b back plus free users who may renew subscription plus free publicity.)

    nobody is safer with those companies. you, at best, will save a few days with a false bad credit if it happen to you. but you will still experience a few days and will still have to make tons of phone calls.

  27. Punishing the victim by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    Home Depot is as much a victim as customers. This incident is costing them millions, even without the lawsuit settlement.

    Sure, businesses should beef up security. But if your local hardware store is robbed, and the burglars got in because the store didn't have bullet-proof glass windows, nobody sues the store owners, they look for the thieves and try to bring them to justice.

    No matter what kind of security is employed by Home Depot or anyone else, criminals will find ways to get in. Let's not punish the victims!