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DARPA Wants Ideas On Weaponizing Off-the-Shelf Tech (ieee.org)

An anonymous reader writes: The good news is that some of today's most advanced technologies are cheap and easy to find, both online and on the shelves of major chain stores. That's also the bad news, according to DARPA. The defense agency is nervous that criminals and terrorists will turn off-the-shelf products into tools and devices to harm citizens or disrupt American military operations. On Friday, DARPA announced a new project called 'Improv' that invites technologists to propose designs for military applications or weaponry built exclusively from commercial software, open source code, and readily available materials. The program's goal is to demonstrate how easy it is to transform everyday technology into a system or device that threatens national security. See also this story about transforming into weapons items commonly found in the purportedly secure area of U.S. airports.

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  1. This can't possibly be used against us... by aicrules · · Score: 1

    I mean they wouldn't then use this data to show that everyone needs backscatter scan followed by a full body cavity search would they? Or that they need more of our money to pay for additional people to guard all the dangerous objects in stores? Or that they must have access to a list of everything everyone buys everywhere to cross reference with their collection of communications? Nah they wouldn't be doing that.

    1. Re:This can't possibly be used against us... by aicrules · · Score: 1

      So given that, I'll go ahead and submit ideas till one sticks and they send me $40K which will result in a feasibility study consisting entirely of parties with my friends.

    2. Re:This can't possibly be used against us... by ThorGod · · Score: 1

      I read it like "what could we expect terrorists to figure out"

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    3. Re:This can't possibly be used against us... by rholtzjr · · Score: 0
      No, they just want to make sure they get a list of innocuous material that when combined become deadly. I guess you could argue that it to enable them to better combat insurgency when fighting in urban warfare.

      But this sounds more like what could be used against them in the event we take all your guns away when they truly become a police state.

    4. Re:This can't possibly be used against us... by LaurenCates · · Score: 3, Funny

      I once worked with a guy who said that he couldn't go see "Snakes on a Plane" with me when it opened in theaters because he was afraid it was giving the terrorists ideas.

      I think, in reaction, my eyes glazed over in a way reminiscent of the Blue Screen of Death.

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    5. Re:This can't possibly be used against us... by rholtzjr · · Score: 2

      WOW, somebody must be upset at me. Second post in two days and BOTH were moderated as TROLL -1

    6. Re:This can't possibly be used against us... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Which one of the two of you did he think was the terrorist?

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    7. Re:This can't possibly be used against us... by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure. I'm not sure why he'd have thought trying to transport snakes inconspicuously in a cargo hold might actually result in live snakes to attack people (I presume it would be too cold, which is why I would never put a pet in a cargo hold, but I'm not an expert on snakes). I'm not even sure why he'd even have thought that any terrorist that wanted to attack people wouldn't devise the most insane of ideas (like trying to create snake attacks on a plane) and game it out for feasibility.

      But then again, I don't go around thinking that people who get ideas from fictional entertainment are anything but potential candidates for the Darwin Awards.

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      Some people don't believe in fairies. I don't believe in The Patriarchy.
    8. Re:This can't possibly be used against us... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      You just gave me an idea on how to use a backstatter device to create a weapon.

    9. Re:This can't possibly be used against us... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      It doesn't really do much good to scan everybody to make sure they don't have freely available commercial parts. ;)

      You need to work on your conspiracy theories a few milliseconds longer, don't just go with the first thing that pops into your head and sounded good after half a moment of reflection.

      This isn't "things that could be dangerous" in general. This is specifically things that could be dangerous to the military. Also, it has to be legal to make under Federal, State, and local laws. So there is very little potential for domestic impact; if you have an idea for something not legal, like an explosive, or a missile over half and inch diameter, then this isn't even the right program.

    10. Re:This can't possibly be used against us... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Probably because you were trolling. Duh. You should try a low-troll diet.

      "Derp derp police state" is generally not going to be seen as an attempt to add analysis. It is just you spewing opinions that are unrelated to the story, and not even interesting, insightful, informative, or funny. Maybe things that don't have to do with the police state, are about other things? Gee.

      There is literally nobody trying to take Americans guns away. All the different factions agree that the 2nd Amendment exists, that it doesn't mean you can have a personal tank, and nobody thinks they could get a new amendment passed. You're just straight-out crazy-talk tinfoil trolling about people taking guns away.

      And insurgents have small arms. Your whole idea is stupid. The US military deploys to places already saturated in small arms; this has nothing to do with what people would use to fight if they didn't have small arms. Small arms are not even a major concern, they already have effective strategies for managing that risk, and technology that gives them a substantial advantage even if heavily outnumbered. If it comes time to defend the nation, hicks with rifles are going to be totally useless.

    11. Re:This can't possibly be used against us... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I cheated and RTFA. Well, skimmed it. That's as close as I ever get.

      Anyhow, I'm almost positive that submitting any proposal for this is going to get the submitter placed on a whole host of watch lists. Not because they belong there but because that's the way the government rolls.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    12. Re:This can't possibly be used against us... by rholtzjr · · Score: 1

      Holy cow, you must not be able to detect facetious rhetoric very well. The comment was pretty much in line with the original comment AND I kept in line with the conspiracy theory that the rest of the comments were also following AND YOU did not make them a TROLL. The only thing I can think of from this is that you did not have enough mod points to TROLL -1 everyone.

    13. Re:This can't possibly be used against us... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Why would I want to waste mod points on you? Instead, I wrote some words for other people more interesting than you to consider.

      Get off my lawn, whippersnapper.

  2. Seemed like a good idea at the time.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The program's goal is to demonstrate how easy it is to transform everyday technology into a system or device that threatens national security" and who among the populace has the capabilities to do so.

    1. Re:Seemed like a good idea at the time.... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I've thrown an 80 pound server at someone's head; does that count?

    2. Re:Seemed like a good idea at the time.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are in IT... you couldn't lift your keyboard without help.

    3. Re:Seemed like a good idea at the time.... by fustakrakich · · Score: 0

      Actually the goal is to outlaw everything, to give the police probable cause to smash your door down without a warrant over mere suspicion from gossipy neighbors. All you gardeners better watch out!

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    4. Re:Seemed like a good idea at the time.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've thrown an 80 pound server

      and the period of time till it hits is the throw wait? I'm imagining a ballistic beowulf cluster of these servers.

    5. Re:Seemed like a good idea at the time.... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The old IBM ones, maybe, but the new ones are pretty chintzy, about ten or fifteen leaf cutter ants could carry it out of the house.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    6. Re:Seemed like a good idea at the time.... by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 1
    7. Re:Seemed like a good idea at the time.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ohmygosh!

      Here I was only joking when I said my home defense weapon is a klacker!

      Clearly, we need DARPA to buy the patents and factory from Unicomp (mostly so they won't install shitty PCBs that fry out in under 5 years) so they can start a massive civilian armament program.

      Captcha: terror

    8. Re:Seemed like a good idea at the time.... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      No, that's a simple restaurant personnel assault.

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      Ezekiel 23:20
  3. let's go fishing with DARPA by turkeydance · · Score: 5, Insightful

    for readily available materials which will be 'tracked' in the future. please submit your ideas so we can watch you, too.

    1. Re:let's go fishing with DARPA by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      No kidding. Give them NOTHING to work with

    2. Re:let's go fishing with DARPA by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

      No kidding. Give them NOTHING to work with

      We should go farther than that. We should develop an interest in every real name in DARPA who signed off on this idea, earmarked funds for the project and publicly SHAME and SHUN them.

      [from TA] agency will provide $40,000 in funding to complete a feasibility study [...] will each receive an additional $70,000 to fashion a prototype

      I sense an actual human fetish behind all this no different from foot licking. Someone who considers themselves a Librarian of sorts, gets their endorphin rush jollies from collecting and cataloging certain things, in this case, things that can harm the greatest number of people with the most 'reasonable' and 'accessible' items. I imagine the database for this Project once concluded, will be printed out and bound lovingly into a thick Book, which is to be lifted gently to the face so the nose can inhale its paper and ink freshyness, then as the Book is rubbed up and down the body the Project Organizer experiences shivering waves of pleasure.

      And they know that nothing on the Internet works unless they appear to dangle a carrot, in this case some vague mention of cash. Every man has his price they say, and all you out there with clever ideas on how to harm people should consider whether the money and public notoriety will feel 'right' even if they let you keep some of the money. You may also be betrayed, the money may be doled out piecemeal for specific itemized expenses as you are called to their retreat behind closed doors --- your little mini-me Manhattan Project --- where you build Your Clever Bad Thing, leave it in their hands, and then return home with a curious sense of emptiness and anxiety in your heart.

      Don't feed their fetish.

      DARPA is trying to get your clicky-website Oh-Im-So-Clever pat-me-on-the-head-pleez help to manufacture --- out of thin air --- a resource of TOXIC IDEAS just as foul, useless and dangerous as the radioactive and chemical sludge that is left over from the wanton days of atomic bomb manufacture. At best it will be forgotten. At worst, some best picks will make their way to the next edition of the CIA assassin and terrorist handbook, distributed only to friendly regimes and Approved Freedom Fighters(tm).

      One of the most unexpectedly eloquent tirades on the subject of prostituting one's own cleverness Why shouldn't you [work for the NSA]? from Good Will Hunting.

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  4. I got one by avandesande · · Score: 2

    How about mounting an automatic weapon in the back of a pickup truck?

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    1. Re:I got one by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      How about mounting an automatic weapon in the back of a pickup truck?

      Better yet, how about mounting sharks with frickin' laser beams in the back of a pickup truck?

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    2. Re:I got one by khasim · · Score: 4, Funny

      Better yet, how about mounting sharks with frickin' laser beams in the back of a pickup truck?

      Tried that.

      Cats came to chase the laser beam and ended up eating the shark.

      v2.0 will have a truck-mounted-aquarium for the shark. With laser-transparent walls. And a guy shaking a can filled with quarters to scare the cats away.

    3. Re:I got one by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Funny

      Here's my idea:

      1. Walk into a gun store.
      2. Take a gun off the shelf and buy it.
      3. Boom, a weapon using off-the-shelf parts.

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    4. Re:I got one by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Laptops are the ultimate weapon. You can easily cause a concussion by swinging one like a baseball bad. Or strap a laptop or iPad to your chest and back for instant body armor. And a floppy disk makes a decent throwing star, though not nearly as lethal. You can easily weaponize an automobile by driving it through a shopping mall. And so on. Almost anything can be a weapon in the hands of somebody who wants to use it as one.

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    5. Re:I got one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Better yet, how about mounting sharks with frickin' laser beams in the back of a pickup truck?

      Tried that.

      Cats came to chase the laser beam and ended up eating the shark.

      v2.0 will have a truck-mounted-aquarium for the shark. With laser-transparent walls. And a guy shaking a can filled with quarters to scare the cats away.

      Pennies are just as effective as quarters and studies suggest they could be up to 30x cheaper too!

    6. Re:I got one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can easily weaponize an automobile by driving it through a shopping mall.

      Demonstration

    7. Re:I got one by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Cat got your gun?

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    8. Re:I got one by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or strap a laptop or iPad to your chest and back for instant body armor.

      Or a suicide vest, if it's a Dell.

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    9. Re:I got one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pennies are just as effective as quarters and studies suggest they could be up to 30x cheaper too!

      Do you use the same calculator as my ISP?

    10. Re:I got one by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Cats came to chase the laser beam and ended up eating the shark.

      OK, so it won't work in Vietnam or Africa, but it works in the middle east!

    11. Re:I got one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you use a Thinkpad, the laptop will even survive.

    12. Re:I got one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a quote from Stephenson's "Cryptonomicon," something along the lines of

      "I'd rather be up against a cheerleader who is armed with a bazooka than a true dyed-in-the-wool killer who's got a shoelace."

    13. Re:I got one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You calling cats any Chinese? Or just plain common average blue eyed, pink skin Joe?

  5. Off the Shelf Tech Wepaons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Low tech, cheap off the shelf weapon. A sharpened pencil. Surprised they allow pencils into schools in these days of fear mongering.

    1. Re:Off the Shelf Tech Wepaons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my high school, a leaky biro pen was the ultimate weapon of mass destruction. Drop it into someone's blazer pocket, and they wouldn't notice until the next day. By that time, the entire pen had leaked into the fabric. An empty biro pen would be converted into a dart gun. A liquid paper "grenade" could be made by throwing a bottle of liquid paper with the top removed up into the air with some spin so that the liquid would be dispersed in a spiral pattern.

      High pressure gas cannisters make good rocket propelled grenades if you smash the valves off. Then there is anything that can be heated and withstand pressure.

    2. Re:Off the Shelf Tech Wepaons by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Or .... gasp ... PLANES!

      --
      Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
  6. Huh? by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The defense agency is nervous that criminals and terrorists will turn off-the-shelf products into tools and devices to harm citizens or disrupt American military operations.

    As opposed to just buying a gun?

    The average "criminal" is NOT going to re-write code or anything like that. S/He will use the same tried-and-true methods that have proven successful for so many years.

    This is STUPID.

    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better not let them know there are places like Lowe's and Home Depot.

    2. Re:Huh? by neonv · · Score: 1

      If it's off-the-shelf components, then no new code is required.

      For example, a quadrotor with a homemade bomb attached, ignition linked to an RF control. It's very easy, and very dangerous. Not a single line of code is required.

    3. Re:Huh? by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      Yup. They are looking for the "what is available today that wasn't 30 years ago" and basic insurgent/resistance/guerrilla tactics.

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    4. Re:Huh? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      The average "criminal" is NOT going to re-write code or anything like that.

      No, but it's the "above average" criminals/terrorists you really need to watch-out for.

      Who do you think is doing the big retailer (Target, JCP, Home Depot) break-ins, if not criminals who "re-write code"?

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    5. Re:Huh? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      There is nothing in the project about "crinimals" or "terrorists." The goal is to develop "prototype products and systems that have the potential to threaten current military operations, equipment, or personnel and are assembled primarily from commercially available technology."

      You're right. The idea that they would do this for chasing criminals is stupid, as is the idea that DARPA cares about crime. This is about things that will sound scary to them in the context of overseas deployments. They already deploy to places saturated with small arms, so obviously a gun isn't going to impress them very much.

  7. it has already been done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    it has already been done in the largest terrorist cyber attack ever:
    The Windows 10 upgrade.

  8. The horse is way out of the barn by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's pretty easily possible for an amateur to put together their own cruise missle, encrypted communications that admit to no theoretical methods to break them if they're used correctly, spread spectrum radio that you can't tell is there, various sorts of jammers for GPS, phones, etc., various bombs and poisons.

    Not that I really want to tell this to Congress.

    1. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by neonv · · Score: 2

      You're over simplifying a cruise missile.

      Can you put together a reliable propulsion system for long flight?
      Can you make it take off vertically reliably?
      Can you make it fly fast?
      Can you create accurate flight control to impact a target?
      Can the vehicle accurately verify it is the correct target before impact?
      Can you make a jammer that won't interfere with it's own communication?
      Can you make a warhead from off the shelf components that have a real impact on a target?
      Can you show in flight testing that it will be reliable for years to come?
      Can you set up constant communications as it flies hundreds of miles over the ocean?
      Can you REALLY guarantee that it can't be hacked?

      A cruise missile is a difficult thing to design and make for these reasons and many more.

    2. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Look into DIY Drones. Ardupilot is sufficient for a lot of what you are asking for. There's a guy who has successfully flown a model plane across the Atlantic twice. He didn't have constant communications, but it had an HF transmitter and GPS, and it kept hams informed of where it was.

      Some of the things you ask for aren't really necessary. Shelf life, for example. Constant communications. Hack proofing. It's really just necessary for a bad guy to put it together and send it toward the nearest city with a few sticks of dynamite. Effective terror weapon. Can distribute poison too. And if one fails, the authorities won't necessarily notice.

    3. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by avandesande · · Score: 1

      In a few years you will be able to steal someone's self driving car and reprogram it. He should of said 'weapon delivery system'. It really doesn't need to be fast or do any of the other things you mention.

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    4. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Eh, this is a poor peoples Church Commission to find out how easy it is really to make one of those "heart attack guns" that they used on Scalia.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    5. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      $5K cruise missile: http://www.interestingprojects...

      You can find Ragnar Benson's formula for homemade C4 if you look around too. TNT isn't that difficult to make either.

    6. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      In a few years you will be able to steal someone's self driving car and reprogram it.

      Or you could FedEx it now.

      (Of course, if I told you that, I would have to kill you).

    7. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      It's pretty easily possible for an amateur to put together their own cruise missile

      http://www.interestingprojects...
      http://www.rense.com/general38...

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    8. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by recharged95 · · Score: 1

      Eventually it will be as easy as Amazon one-click. Bioweapons are going to be the worse of the bunch.

      Open architectures and consumer autonomous products will enable it all. Add the fact that data sabotage is on the rise will make it nearly impossible to identify these things after an incident.

    9. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by neonv · · Score: 1

      You're switching subjects. You stated a cruise missile, not the drones that DARPA is asking for.

      If you just want a bomb on an aircraft, none of the things you mentioned in your original post are necessary (communication, radios, jamming, etc).

    10. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      There's a guy who has successfully flown a model plane across the Atlantic twice.

      He's not kidding. Maynard Hill actually did that. I'm glad I looked it up because I had no idea.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

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    11. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by delt0r · · Score: 1

      Err yea no. I worked on this stuff and with other groups on this stuff. It is much harder than people think. That is why evolution hasn't managed to already create the kill all humans virus. It is basically impossible to do.

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    12. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 1

      A "cruise missle" is a UAV that is capable of traveling a significant distance at a relatively low speed and carries an explosive payload.

      This is obviously not limited to something like the AGM-69.

      A small and easily affordable amateur construction is capable of autonomously flying some hundreds of miles and delivering a warhead of several sticks of dynamite to a point with a 30-foot accuracy. One could take this further and equip a Cessna 172 or similar. There are many farm grass strips where such a thing could take off without notice, and it could fly at low altitude. Lots of testing could be carried out with a human pilot in place. And in the end, it could deliver 1000 pounds of explosive.

    13. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 1

      If you want to talk about a real one, it was used on Georgi Markov, and it was detected. I think if there was one that left no trace, it would have already been used on Putin and Trump. 79-year-old men die.

    14. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by suutar · · Score: 1

      Your definition of "cruise missile" is a bit narrower than the dictionary's, and a lot of that is more for the US Military's mission parameters than the parameters of a terrorist or criminal (e.g. reliability, precision, vertical launch).

    15. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Oh dear! I hope you didn't take that seriously! It was ripped from one of those wacko sites that hate Obama.

      Putin and Trump? Please. These guys are money makers, who's gonna whack them?

      Anyway, most murders go unsolved, if not outright unknown. There are plenty of ways without going all 'James Bond' on the guy.

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    16. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 1

      Oh dear! I hope you didn't take that seriously! It was ripped from one of those wacko sites that hate Obama.

      Oops, I'd better call off the FBI :-)

      Unfortunately, there are a lot of folks who are swayed by wackjob stuff like that, including on Slashdot. Especially since a political party and some news media have been feeding them for more than a decade. Sorry for confusing you with one.

    17. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Can you put together a reliable propulsion system for long flight?
      Can you make it take off vertically reliably?
      Can you make it fly fast?
      Can you create accurate flight control to impact a target?

      You don't have to make any of that... The popularity of amateur rocketry means you can go BUY all of that, right off the shelf. Which is EXACTLY the scenario DARPA is looking to examine.

      Can the vehicle accurately verify it is the correct target before impact?

      With GPS, this is a no-brainer...

      Can you make a warhead from off the shelf components that have a real impact on a target?

      Anybody can find instructions for home-made explosives online... Most are crude, but some high-explosives are possible, too. Hell, WWII was fought with basic incendiary bombs anybody could make. And some of the most destructive conventional weapons are fuel-air explosives, which is basically just large quantities of diesel fuel with a couple small explosive charges (properly timed for maximum effect).

      Can you show in flight testing that it will be reliable for years to come?

      That's a ridiculous requirement that is completely out-of-line with this challenge. Those armies who would consider such of-the-shelf weapons, don't need them to sit in silos, ready to go, for decades. Instead, they'd be building them when they need them.

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    18. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

      In a few years you will be able to steal someone's self driving car and reprogram it. He should of said 'weapon delivery system'. It really doesn't need to be fast or do any of the other things you mention.

      Sure, but they'll also change airport layout--nobody is going to let a self-driving car bomb drive up to the front door of a terminal.

    19. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      That is why evolution hasn't managed to already create the kill all humans virus.

      Evolution hasn't but humans have. In the book "The Demon in the Freezer" Richard Preston reports at length about human engineered bio weapons, specifically genetically modifed anthax and smallpox virus. Thought smallpox was eradicated? Guess again. There are stockpiles of the stuff all over the world, including North Korea, China, Pakistan, India and of course the US and Russia. He even describes a method of splicing the interleukin 4 gene with smallpox to make a 100% lethal to human weapon. The Russians, reportedly, have tons of the stuff mounted on warheads.

      Anyways, it's a fascinating (and a bit gruesome) book if you're interested in the topic.

    20. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by delt0r · · Score: 1

      It doesn't work. For the simple reason that dead hosts don't transmit the viron, and not dead ones quickly create the antibodies to fight it off. Also virons that are air born have a host of constraints that make them fairly ineffective, are always sensitive to direct sunlight and will mutate away from being effective very very quickly. If they don't they are quickly dispatched by immune systems.

      Also that book is pretty shitty as far as informative on the topic. It is typical sky failing bullshit. May as well subscribe to mdsolars newsletter on nuclear.

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    21. Re:The horse is way out of the barn by delt0r · · Score: 1

      As a amateur rocket person myself. The best you can do with "off the self" would be a few miles range max for something weighing less than a few kilos, bigger stuff tends to be custom orders with proper licences and stuff. A RC plane would be far more effective. Or even better a Ultralight rigged as a RC plane.

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  9. WE ALREADY HAVE THIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Weaponized off the shelf tech:

    - Rubber band guns
    - Flying shrieking monkeys http://www.amazon.com/Flingshot-Slingshot-Flying-Screaming-Monkey/dp/B000OEUUG6
    - Hoverboards http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2016/03/suspect-allegedly-flees-on-hoverboard-after-shooting-man-in-northwest-dallas.html/

  10. My Pillow (not TM) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Can be used to suffocate somebody.

    Will I need to get a license for mine someday?

    1. Re:My Pillow (not TM) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Background check, fingerprints, several hundred dollar license, safety course, you'll be on a special list of potential terrorists...

      Not to mention, hysterical moms who watch reruns of Dr Oz and Dr Phil will be protesting outside your house during commercial breaks.

  11. I'm in by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

    I'm happy to sell them a $500 laptop with Kali Linux for $10,000,000 or whatever the going rate is for over-inflated defense contracting. Where do I sign up?

    1. Re:I'm in by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      +1 Sad but True

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  12. Ask the TSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They certainly have some ideas about what is and isn't threatening to air travel regarding everyday items

  13. How about a brick? by sinij · · Score: 3, Funny

    How about a brick? You can pick it up and throw it at someone's head.

    1. Re:How about a brick? by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

      Don't discount the effectiveness of a brick.
      German spies had a plan to disable the giant generators in New York that powered many of the trains through out the Midwest with pocket sand. All they had to do was throw the sand into the generators, they were spotted coming ashore at bar harbor in main off a u boat and apprehended shortly after that.

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    2. Re:How about a brick? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a brick? You can pick it up and throw it at someone's head.

      wait a minute, are you the guy up above who threw the server at somebody's head? you mean to say it was already bricked, or you picked it back up and threw it again?

    3. Re:How about a brick? by Ken+D · · Score: 1

      Obligatory xkcd... sort of https://what-if.xkcd.com/1/

    4. Re:How about a brick? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Combine the words 'obligatory' and 'xkcd' for the one billionth time and you can drive people stark raving mad without even going to the store.

    5. Re:How about a brick? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as you're talking about a brick that costs $1.5 trillion, the US military's already ahead of you.

      See: Lockheed Martin F-35.

  14. Wait until they find out... by gweilo8888 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...what can be done with just a few off-the-shelf elements. The entire contents of the periodic table must be confiscated from the American public. It's the only way we can be protected from the turr'ists among us!!

    1. Re:Wait until they find out... by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 1

      Have you tried to buy iodine lately? It's difficult to get because it's somehow used for making methamphetamine. This is annoying, because I would have liked to have some more for my emergency supplies, just for purifying water.

    2. Re:Wait until they find out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you, some kind of commie pedo terrist? You're supposed to buy organic artisanal premium bottled water. It's got electrolytes.

    3. Re:Wait until they find out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so does brawndo

    4. Re:Wait until they find out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything can be used to make methamphetamine. The war on meth is about anything but meth - it's about domestic unrest.

    5. Re:Wait until they find out... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      It's the only way we can be protected from the turr'ists among us!!

      Damn those tourists and their expensive cameras!

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
  15. Just give it to a five year old. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They'll use it to cause havoc for sure.

  16. There can be non-lethal weapons, too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    A weapon doesn't have to be lethal to humans.

    Here's an example: install systemd on an adversary's Linux system. If the adversary's Linux system is anything like my Debian systems were when systemd was installed on them, there's a very good chance they won't boot properly. The adversary may not be physically harmed, but the adversary sure will be angry!

    Here's another example: upgrade the adversary's Firefox installation. If the adversary's Firefox experience is anything like my Firefox experience, an upgrade is nearly a guaranteed way of getting a much worse experience. The adversary may not be physically harmed, but the adversary sure will be angry!

    1. Re:There can be non-lethal weapons, too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This, folks, is how to properly troll. A++++ would read again.

    2. Re:There can be non-lethal weapons, too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waste 1 minute of a billion peoples' time, then you're worse than Hitler.
      Well, maybe more accurately, John Wayne Gacy.

    3. Re:There can be non-lethal weapons, too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn its great someone worked systemd into this thread........ guess we wont be seeing that charged particle beam generator mounted on that electrogravitic platform powered by that small fusion reactor created by that 22 year old prodigy that lives in Appalachia then, will we.... think they'll share any of the submissions? What? No?....

    4. Re:There can be non-lethal weapons, too. by khallow · · Score: 1

      Eh, weaponize LOLCATZ, assuming that hasn't already happened. Dawww....

    5. Re:There can be non-lethal weapons, too. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Since it has to be legal in the US, I'm sure a lot of people will go with delivery systems. Maybe you can use inflatable lolcatz as the fake IED.

      I'm planning a psyops package involving Hampsterdance.

  17. You believe them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's just a line. "Yeah, we're worried about terrorists and criminals using off-the-shelf stuff. We have no interest in it ourselves. Yeah, that's the ticket!"

    Wars are extremely expensive - they have ruined many states - and I see this as an attempt to lower costs at the defense department.

    Just my cynical 200 cents (inflation).

    1. Re:You believe them? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You'll need to inflate your idea that much, since they didn't say anything about criminals or terrorists; whatever idiot submitted it did that part.

  18. My kid has this nailed... by WPIDalamar · · Score: 1

    Legos thrown on the floor.

    1. Re:My kid has this nailed... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Caltrops. 1d4 (x2 if not slowing down) damage and slowing down incurs a movement penalty.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  19. Trees as weapons by PackMan97 · · Score: 2

    Beginner: * Break off a branch from a tree. This is called stick. Hit someone with it. Advanced: * Produce a straight staff from a tree. File down the point of one end, or attach a flint or metal pointy traingle to one end. This is called a spear. In close quarters you may stab someone with it in a jabbing motion. At a distance, you may throw it. Be warned, if you missed you just armed your opponent with a spear. Expert: * Produce a straight staff from a tree and fashion into a bow. Use the sniwes from an animal you slayed using your club or spear and fashion a string you can use on your bow. Produce minature spears that you can use to shoot from this bow. Bows make excellent weapons to be used at a distance before your opponent can get into throwing range of a spear or melee distance if they have a club. As you can see, Trees are very dangerous and can be used as weapons. We should cut them all down.

    1. Re:Trees as weapons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize your argumentation tactic would have been considered "psychotic rambling" 20 years ago?

    2. Re:Trees as weapons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize your argumentation tactic would have been considered "psychotic rambling" 20 years ago?

      The key words being 20 years ago. That was then. This is now. Times change. *Shudder*

    3. Re:Trees as weapons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only because 20 years ago we didn't have a government agency attempting to crowd source R&D of applications of COTS consumer-grade components.

    4. Re:Trees as weapons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that Japanese peasants were banned from having long sticks. That is where nunchucks come from. Put a rope in the middle to make it less dangerous. But don't give our government ideas.

    5. Re:Trees as weapons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You missed out a step. Before you can craft weapons you need a workbench made out of 4 planks (obtainable by punching trees).

  20. seems obvious by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    give someone a windows 7 PC and tell them the windows 10 upgrade will break it. that's psychological warfare on the cheap.

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  21. Change foreign policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop making mass murder on behalf of the government 'legal' and stop calling it 'collateral damage' and maybe you won't have to worry about so-called terrorism.

  22. Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...now they can compile a list of stuff to regulate.

    Popcorn machine? Background check required
    Baby oil? Background check required
    Antacids? Background check required

    You get the idea.

  23. Tools to harm us? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

    turn off-the-shelf products into tools and devices to harm citizens or disrupt American military operations.

    You mean like the 8 - 10" chef knives one can find at any yard sale or flea market? Or do they mean the rolls of aluminum foil which can be cut into ribbons then sent via bottle rocket to land across power lines and short them out?

    I'm presuming I should be expecting a knock on my door in the very near future.

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    1. Re:Tools to harm us? by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      turn off-the-shelf products into tools and devices to harm citizens or disrupt American military operations.

      I agree, this is pretty idiotic. Anything can be turned into a weapon. It's like these guys have never seen a Jackie Chan movie.

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      ~X~
    2. Re:Tools to harm us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or an episode of MacGyver.

  24. IronMan 3 by Passman · · Score: 1

    Why do I get the feeling that someone at DARPA just watched Iron Man 3...

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  25. my hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are already deadly weapons. What do they plan to do about that? Confiscate them?

    1. Re:my hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are already deadly weapons. What do they plan to do about that? Confiscate them?

      If I were you I wouldn't give them any ideas. Just sayin'.

    2. Re:my hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thus the AC. But seriously. Anyone with the knowledge and intent to kill can do so with their bare hands... in mere *seconds*. It's not hard. No other weapons required.

  26. My favorite by avandesande · · Score: 1

    There was a story about some guy who figured out how to gang consumer microwave magnetrons on a resonant waveguide that resulted in a coherent beam. This was about 5 years ago- and not a peep since.

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    love is just extroverted narcissism
  27. They're kidding, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ideas to weaponize off the shelf items:

    Idea 1:
    1- Purchase Handgun
    2- Purchase ammunition
    3- Combine ammunition with handgun

    This idea combines two off-the-shelf items (handgun and ammunition) to create a weapon.

    Idea 2:
    1- Purchase Shotgun
    2- Purchase ammunition
    3- Combine ammunition with shotgun

    This idea combines two off-the-shelf items (shotgun and ammunition) to create a weapon.

    I'm working on a different idea involving rifles, but I haven't sorted out the details yet

  28. DARPA needs to watch more television... by Mhrmnhrm · · Score: 2

    MacGyver, to be specific.

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    I suspect that one of these choices is incorrect. Correct.
    1. Re:DARPA needs to watch more television... by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      MacGyver is a crazy lunatic. I blame learning too much science before watching his show.

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  29. Does launching CowboyNeal ... by davidwr · · Score: 1

    ... across the St. Lawrence River with a Trebuchet made of balsa wood bought from the nearest hobby store count?

    Oh wait, I forgot, we are making nice with Canada now. Make that the Rio Grande.

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    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
  30. Chuck Norris... by laugau · · Score: 1

    Come to think of it, I haven't seen Chuck Norris in a while...

    1. Re:Chuck Norris... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come to think of it, I haven't seen Chuck Norris in a while...

      I saw headlines a couple days ago that he was endorsing Ted Cruz for President, but I gather that he then walked that endorsement back.

  31. They definitely won't lock you up for helping.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's N0oo way they would ever lock you up if sent them a bunch of well though out plans on how to make devices capable of hurting large amounts of people with readily available materials. They would never do something like that. It's not like they'd go after people just for googling Pr3ssur3 c00kers and f3rt1lizers in the same day (google it if you're brave), maybe my tinfoil hat is too tight but I still don't even like typing those words.

    1. Re:They definitely won't lock you up for helping.. by TroII · · Score: 1

      It's not like they'd go after people just for googling Pr3ssur3 c00kers and f3rt1lizers in the same day (google it if you're brave)

      I'm running the TrackMeNot browser extension on 6 different computers in the house, it automatically Googles (and Bings and Baidus and Yahoos) for terms like that 24/7. No knocks at the door yet but NSA must think I'm operating some kind of Ebil Muslin Safehouse.

  32. Knife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are a lot of off the shelf weapons.

  33. Pills by ADRA · · Score: 1

    "I've invented a pill that gives worms to ex-girlfriends."

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    Bye!
    1. Re:Pills by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Your reference is not lost on me. That was actually a good show though I can't say that the movie was as good as I'd hoped.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  34. the mythbusters need a job also get that macgyver by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    the mythbusters need a job also get that macgyver to help.

  35. before I participate by dlt074 · · Score: 1

    before I participate in this little exercise, I'm going to need full immunity.

    1. Re:before I participate by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the entire idea is insane. If you have any idea at all about infrastructure or the various elements of human society, there are quite a few ways the entire system can be disrupted. There is no way in hell I would share them with anyone for fear they would get out. Neither publicly nor privately, either way, no way I want a any part of that idiocy. Ultimately the root cause are people and not just any people but in by far the majority of instances psychopaths, genetic cerebral emotional misfits. You don't need to envisage the problems they can cause, you simply need to remove them as a problem over time. So testing and containment, remove the problem makers, rather than trying to control the problems they cause.

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  36. Are they kidding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can hop in the car and buy propane, gasoline, lighter fluid, matches, and a few other simple things I won't mention. It wouldn't cost me very much to build one helluva an incendiary device. Timothy McVeigh did a really big bang with fertilizer and fuel oil... and it's my understanding that the fertilizer sales are monitored a bit more now... but if I really wanted to mess shit up, I'm pretty sure I could do it with purchases that wouldn't attract much attention. The fact that people generally don't do this, to me, says something about most people being generally good and simply wanting to live their lives.

    1. Re:Are they kidding? by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      Yes, but if we weren't paranoid at all times, how could you convince us to be good citizens and report any suspicious behavior (read: anything that's not sleeping or breathing) to Big Brother, or allow Big Brother access to the information on all of those baddies (read: anyone who isn't Big Brother)?

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  37. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is kind of shady, they want people to weaponize common tech so they can go ban everything citing national security threats. Something about this just sounds funky to me.

  38. hey, this one is easy. by swschrad · · Score: 1

    load up artillery shells with IoT crap, and fire it at enemies. voila, weaponized!

    I should add it seems popular these days to pack the corners with bacon bits. don't know why. perhaps our enemies don't have crackers and Cheez Whiz to provide a suitable resting spot.

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  39. duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy a CNC machine, start mass producing AK47s.

  40. Admiral Ackbar says: by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    IT'S A TRAP!

    seriously, it's like saying "Hey, I'm a dangerous person, I'm totally the guy you need to watch!"

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  41. You want the best? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Just put your lithium ion battery on overload and leave it in the aft lavatory, you know, since you can't smoke anymore

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    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  42. Simplest is this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take any object with a CPU in it and elect it as the President of the U.S. And there you go. Dumb and dangerous, just like Obama.

  43. Gonna need an awfully big quadcopter. Or a pickup by raymorris · · Score: 1

    A quad has a carrying capacity measured in grams or ounces. A Ford can carry 2,000 pounds.

    A quad could deliver a small firework, though.

  44. MIcrowave oven by Jeff1946 · · Score: 1

    Override safety switches on a microwave oven and run it with the door open. Could cause havoc with a lot of nearby electronics. Would be interesting to see how far away GPS would be overwhelmed. Before you try the experiment, I am sure it is illegal to operate a transmitter this powerful without a license.

  45. weapons by cstacy · · Score: 1

    See also this (2013) story about transforming into weapons items commonly found in the purportedly secure area of U.S. airports.

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pini...

  46. Jammers by Bratch · · Score: 1

    Sounds like cell phone jammers might be a good place to start, maybe set them up in key places and have some kind of remote control, to turn them on all at once. Don't stop with cell phones, start jamming every kind of communications you can, then move on to fiber backbones with some wire cutters, and there's probably a way to down remote, unmonitored power lines with little effort.

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  47. Visit hell on a city for $1 a day. by AnotherBlackHat · · Score: 4, Informative

    Any engineer worth their salt could disrupt a city for under $500;

    - A hammer and nails can disable emergency response vehicles.
    Self lighting charcoal and a road flare can set a house on fire.
    Combine the two, and you can burn down a city.

    - Most cities have a small number of major traffic arteries that could be shut down with a similar number of people armed with rocks.

    - Drop a bag of flour on the freeway and call in a chemical spill.

    And there are far, far more effective things I can think of that I'm not willing to post on a public forum.

    Once you start to think about how vulnerable we are, you realize that terrorists must be extremely rare.

    1. Re:Visit hell on a city for $1 a day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not that they're rare, but most people seem to confuse them with serial killers or anarchists apparently.

      Terrorist groups aren't trying to give anyone bigger than them an excuse to take the gloves off (unless they can pass the blame).
      They're basically defined by using threats and violence to advance their agenda. There's a whole spectrum of scum that fits the description. When you think terrorist, think KKK in their violent times if that helps.

      When people are flapping their gums "was it terrrrism?!", the better question is which violent group stood to gain from it. If that's really hard to answer then don't be surprised when the big T label isn't thrown at it, it's not about being PC, it's just not really terrorism.

      How dirty the violence is doesn't define terrorism either, lot of people seem to be mistaken there. Dirty bastards are dirty bastards, terrorists or not.

    2. Re:Visit hell on a city for $1 a day. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you're thinking like an engineer, not an Islamic terrorist. What they like are big, spectacular attacks that happen in the middle of large cities that they've heard of before. If they just wanted to tear up infrastructure and burn down houses...meh they don't even do that in low security countries. They want to destroy Western civilization, not cause traffic jams.

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    3. Re:Visit hell on a city for $1 a day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A bit ironic given that Al-Qaeda was initially composed of predominantly engineers.

      Guess they went to different schools.

  48. weapons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what's laying around an airport? Who do they think will do something?

    What? You don't understand? Things are not weapons until someone uses them... People are weapons... who?
    Well, anyone with 2 or more semesters in chemistry ( Heisenberg, high-school teachers, biology and pre-med students ).
    Anyone with industrial electricity or electronics experience ( Heathkit comes to mind, engineers, physicists, ham radio people...).
    Anyone who decides to learn any of the applied technology fields in the local library or online....

    Not programmers. Not Housewives or house husbands. Not Liberals. Not Conservatives. Not SJWs. Not Lawyers. Not english, history teachers... None of these unless they have the background in chemistry/electronics/electricity/hydraulics.
    Or decide to learn.

    Whatever they learn from their research will only scratch the surface. McGyver Lives!

  49. Like just after Murrow building blast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They want to start tracking odd combinations.
    A reporter bought a bunch of fertilizer after the Oklahoma City blast, just to show how easy it would be.
    He set off alarms and overtime work in a couple states.
    The government tried to bill the reporter for the overtime that the FBI put in.
    I never heard about it later.
    This would cause more of the same. You bought a few pvc pieces and hair spray and potatoes. Hmmm.
    You bought whatever Linda Hamilton got in Terminator to make C4 hmm.
    More reasons they want to ban paper money.

  50. This is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The sooner it becomes clear that you cannot defend against all the possible types of weapons that people can create the sooner we will be force to address the root causes of people wanting to harm others in the first place.

    1. Re:This is great by Keith+Henson · · Score: 1

      "Root causes" are not hard to understand given a background in evolutionary psychology.

      Why do chimps and prestate people fight? It's over scares resources or a pending shortages. Humans were selected in the stone age for a behavior switch and to detect conditions where it was advantageous to their genes to switch into "war mode." For background:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/... (Peer reviewed version behind a paywall)

      How do you move the behavior switch to "peace mode" or keep it there? Steady or rising income per capita seems to do the job. Remember the IRA? The model notes that the Irish women cut the number of kids they had to about replacement. Economic growth got ahead of population growth and rising income per capital shut off the population support for the IRA. Due to their one child policy and rising standard of living, China is very unlikely to start a war. Iran has reached 2 children per woman and should become a reasonably peaceful country.

      Prospects are not good for the rest of the Arab world. It's not just the high birth rates and low economic growth, it's the difficulty in changing either one either from inside Arab culture or outside it.

      If you have any ideas, please email me. hkeithhenson at gmail dot com

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  51. So DARPA basically wants to by Verdatum · · Score: 1

    Talk to the guy at http://terminalcornucopia.com/ he makes weapons out of stuff sold in airport shops located after the security checkpoint.

  52. Weaponized E-Cigarette Vapor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Too easy.

  53. Missing the point by Livius · · Score: 1

    I'm hoping (though I could be wrong) that they don't mean obvious and common sense uses that they already know about. They're (I hope) looking for something innovative and clever that they aren't prepared for, so they can, you know, prepare for it.

  54. It's so easy by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    Imagine a drone or model airplane with a piece of tungsten welding rod on board. The wire would be less than one ounce but put in the path of any jet and being sucked into an engine would probably bring down most planes. A drone carrying a strand of copper wire and dropping it over major power lines could create havoc and frankly, even a slingshot can be used to shoot a wire over a line as can a bow and arrow. And even those little tire rippers that the resistance used against the Nazis could easily be deployed in rush hour traffic causing horrific traffic jams and screwing up the functions of major roads. One guy on a motorcycle could slowly drop 100 or more of those while riding along. Imagine trying to get 100 tow trucks through a huge traffic jam. And then there is the deliberate transport of non-native species in our waterways. For example, there is a battle right now trying to keep foreign carp out of the great lakes. Any fool can carry a few in a bucket and insert them anywhere. Zebra muscles could be deliberately put into many waterways. Down south, the Kudzu plant is an invasive species that is hard to control as are water hyacinths. And there are many more ways people can screw up nations. Technology can be as simple as a plastic bucket to carry fish or as complex as a really nasty computer virus. The way to fight this stuff is to have very happy citizens. When people are put under stress by economics or laws they tend to do nasty things and they really can not be stopped.

  55. Microsoft Clippy, now covered by ITAR by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Great, now everything will be restricted by ITAR.

  56. Great contest by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of the "best political joke" contest in the Prawda. First prize: 25 years vacation in Sibiria.

    I'm pretty sure the first prize in this one would be a trip to Cuba.

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  57. Cheap and easy to find... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go to the contest and use all the off-the-shelf devices there at once :v

  58. Re:Gonna need an awfully big quadcopter. Or a pick by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    What about a fixed-wing RC model? Add a small barreled weapon to it and automated targeting. You can reuse the thing multiple times, saving money in the long run.

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  59. How about gasoline? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you light a man a fire, he will be warm for a night. If you light a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life.

  60. Just Use People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about you brainwash people through an authoritarian system so they do whatever their payed off congress tells them too? Oh wait you are already doing that.

    How about you hijack religious thinking in order to use innocent people as soldiers? Oh wait you are already doing that.

    How about you put bombs in drones and blow up people in the way of valuable resources? Oh wait you are already doing that.

    How about you sell arms to radical groups in order to avoid an increase in pay to average citizens? Oh wait you are already doing that.

    Pretty clever ;)

  61. Humans! by antdude · · Score: 1

    Humans can be weapons too. :P

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    1. Re:Humans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should cut them all down.

  62. Good luck "winning" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope the winners get some anonymity or a new identity....

    Your best bet (with no security clearance or access to encrypted email) is just sending your ideas to the White House and hope for the best.

  63. "That's also the bad news," by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    And thus my sig on the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity, and also this essay by me:
    http://www.pdfernhout.net/reco...
    "There is a fundamental mismatch between 21st century reality and 20th century security thinking. Those "security" agencies are using those tools of abundance, cooperation, and sharing mainly from a mindset of scarcity, competition, and secrecy. Given the power of 21st century technology as an amplifier (including as weapons of mass destruction), a scarcity-based approach to using such technology ultimately is just making us all insecure. Such powerful technologies of abundance, designed, organized, and used from a mindset of scarcity could well ironically doom us all whether through military robots, nukes, plagues, propaganda, or whatever else... Or alternatively, as Bucky Fuller and others have suggested, we could use such technologies to build a world that is abundant and secure for all.
        So, while in the past, we had "nothing to fear but fear itself", the thing to fear these days is ironcially ... irony. :-) "

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  64. Daily life without trust is very expensive by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    Mistrust is expensive. That's how I've heard it put elsewhere. And just look at unstable areas of the world to see that. More and more money goes into guarding (e.g. armed guards, steel walls and window shutters, armored cars, constant surveillance) and less and less into producing stuff worth guarding. In the same way that the natural ecology provide many vital services to the global economy (like air and water recycling), peace and general satisfaction saves us a lot of money (not just military expenses but day to day costs ranging from locks to insurance premiums).

    Although, there are always some who see profit in causing unrest of all sorts -- thus "War is a Racket". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    See also "The Abolition of Work" by Bob Black:
    http://www.whywork.org/rethink...
    "I don't suggest that most work is salvageable in this way. But then most work isn't worth trying to save. Only a small and diminishing fraction of work serves any useful purpose independent of the defense and reproduction of the work-system and its political and legal appendages. Twenty years ago, Paul and Percival Goodman estimated that just five percent of the work then being done -- presumably the figure, if accurate, is lower now -- would satisfy our minimal needs for food, clothing and shelter. Theirs was only an educated guess but the main point is quite clear: directly or indirectly, most work serves the unproductive purposes of commerce or social control. Right off the bat we can liberate tens of millions of salesmen, soldiers, managers, cops, stockbrokers, clergymen, bankers, lawyers, teachers, landlords, security guards, ad-men and everyone who works for them. There is a snowball effect since every time you idle some bigshot you liberate his flunkies and underlings also. Thus the economy implodes."

    And, for some humor on this, the "Bee Watcher Watcher" story by Dr. Seuss:
    http://www.drseussart.com/illu...

    In general, I agree the best way to prevent disasters is to have happier citizens (and healthier, more capable, and more optimistic ones). A basic income for the exchange economy may be one way towards happier citizens (and with a BI people on the edge have more to lose by criminal actions, too), but so could be an improved gift economy, improved subsistence technologies like 3D printing, and/or improved government planning through better democratic participation. I discuss those here and why they are a better answer to mass unemployment compared to other options:
    http://www.pdfernhout.net/beyo...

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  65. The Art Of Driving by John Taylor Gatto by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    From: http://web.archive.org/web/201...
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    Now come back to the present while I demonstrate that the identical trust placed in ordinary people two hundred years ago still survives where it suits managers of our economy to allow it. Consider the art of driving, which I learned at the age of eleven. Without everybody behind the wheel, our sort of economy would be impossible, so everybody is there, IQ notwithstanding. With less than thirty hours of combined training and experience, a hundred million people are allowed access to vehicular weapons more lethal than pistols or rifles. Turned loose without a teacher, so to speak. Why does our government make such presumptions of competence, placing nearly unqualified trust in drivers, while it maintains such a tight grip on near-monopoly state schooling?

    An analogy will illustrate just how radical this trust really is. What if I proposed that we hand three sticks of dynamite and a detonator to anyone who asked for them. All an applicant would need is money to pay for the explosives. You'd have to be an idiot to agree with my plan--at least based on the assumptions you picked up in school about human nature and human competence.

    And yet gasoline, a spectacularly mischievous explosive, dangerously unstable and with the intriguing characteristic as an assault weapon that it can flow under locked doors and saturate bulletproof clothing, is available to anyone with a container. Five gallons of gasoline have the destructive power of a stick of dynamite.3 The average tank holds fifteen gallons, yet no background check is necessary for dispenser or dispensee. As long as gasoline is freely available, gun control is beside the point. Push on. Why do we allow access to a portable substance capable of incinerating houses, torching crowded theaters, or even turning skyscrapers into infernos? We haven't even considered the battering ram aspect of cars--why are novice operators allowed to command a ton of metal capable of hurtling through school crossings at up to two miles a minute? Why do we give the power of life and death this way to everyone?

    It should strike you at once that our unstated official assumptions about human nature are dead wrong. Nearly all people are competent and responsible; universal motoring proves that. The efficiency of motor vehicles as terrorist instruments would have written a tragic record long ago if people were inclined to terrorism. But almost all auto mishaps are accidents, and while there are seemingly a lot of those, the actual fraction of mishaps, when held up against the stupendous number of possibilities for mishap, is quite small. I know it's difficult to accept this because the spectre of global terrorism is a favorite cover story of governments, but the truth is substantially different from the tale the public is sold. According to the U.S. State Department, 1995 was a near-record year for terrorist murders; it saw three hundred worldwide (two hundred at the hand of the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka) compared to four hundred thousand smoking-related deaths in the United States alone. When we consider our assumptions about human nature that keep children in a condition of confinement and limited options, we need to reflect on driving and things like almost nonexistent global terrorism.

    Notice how quickly people learn to drive well. Early failure is efficiently corrected, usually self-corrected, because the terrific motivation of staying alive and in one piece steers driving improvement. If the grand theories of Comenius and Herbart about learning by incremental revelation, or those lifelong nanny rules of Owen, Maclure, Pestalozzi, and Beatrice Webb, or those calls for precision in human ranking of Thorndike and Hall, or those nuanced interventions of Yale, Stanford, and Columbia Teachers College were actually as essential as their proponents claimed, this libertarian miracle of motoring would be unfathomable.

    Now consid

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  66. Re:Gonna need an awfully big quadcopter. Or a pick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean, the HD camera and mounts on your quadcopter weigt grams? Typical photo-film quadcopter can lift kilograms.

  67. A home-made cruise missile from the early 2000s by whodunit · · Score: 1

    I am reminded of this gentleman's demonstration of a $5,000 dollar cruise missile that used off-the-shelf parts and a simple, easily built modern take on the highly efficient pulse-jet that powered the German V1. The weapon was guided by GPS, but the most interesting part of the project to me was how it handled flight software. Real-life cruise missiles undergo extensive airframe testing in wind-tunnels coupled with fine-tuned software; the software "knows" precisely what the effect will be of any control input; i.e. how far it will pitch, yaw or roll the missile. To get around those difficulties, this fellow simply programmed his software to be self-learning; using inertial sensors to self-calibrate control input. The software "learned" how its inputs affected the missile.

    I find it interesting that this guy came up with this design back when "drones" were still military toys and civilian model airplane pilots were just starting to wonder what all the fuss was about. Nowadays an obsolete smartphone collecting dust in the back of your sock drawer has a built-in GPS, inertial sensors, and battery/processor power sufficient to serve as the brains of such a weapon - and if it doesn't, a Rasberry Pi is pretty damn cheap these days. All these people worried about a quadcopter drone carrying a few pounds of nail-wrapped C4 into a playground would shit themselves if they knew about this.

    1. Re:A home-made cruise missile from the early 2000s by whodunit · · Score: 1

      Dear Slashdot: Give us a goddamned edit button, I beg you: http://www.interestingprojects...

  68. drone cam: 58 grams. Legal firework: 1,000 grams by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Yes, the first hit in Google for "drone camera" is 58 grams.
    http://myfirstdrone.com/tutori...

    Consumer fireworks for 4th of July are up to 1,000 grams. (500 grams "presumed composition weight", which is half th the total weight.)

  69. Screwdriver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have this dual-use screwdriver. That idea I give you for free to show that this is the Real Deal.

    In order to learn the secrets of my patented, trademarked and copyrighted Screwdriver Sharpening System, I will require a fat contract and an ironclad Non-Disclosure Agreement!