Yeah, except when they are too lazy to do the work. I had an expensive car stereo stolen. Police wouldn't come and I was instructed to fill out the report online... much easier to ignore that way. My old neighborhood had a rash of breakins (9 cars over 2 weeks) and the police never came. 2 months later, they set up a speed trap down the hill from us. Why? Because they make money on tickets and theft is a pain in the ass to investigate.
You're all arguing about whether a finite number of worlds exist in infinite space... but you buried the lead. According to the logic, we ourselves don't exist. There is a 0 percent chance that we are present in the universe, that we ever existed or, in fact, that we ever will exist.
The Bill of Rights WAS meant to protect someone from being prosecuted for treason unless the government acts within the bounds of the Bill of Rights. Namely, right to an attorney, right to a trial, right to warrants, right of free speech, right to cross examine, right to review evidence, right for refuse to board soldiers in your home, right to refuse to submit to a state religion, right to publish articles in the press that do not favor the government.
Any person could make an argument that X is treason or terrorism or any other thing you want to call it. Congress can pass any law they want defining that X is unlawful. They can argue until they are blue in the face that the public needs to be protected from X and in order to protect the public from X that certain rights need to be ignored and bypassed... but guess what... rights are SUPPOSED to trump that. If I am a traitor, prove it without violating my rights. Then and only then can you punish me.
If you sacrifice liberty for security, you deserve neither. && Government should stop legislating morality. && Anytime someone says "There should be a law..." there probably shouldn't.
Laws are supposed to exist to prevent your exercise of rights from affecting my rights. If a person doesn't interfere with the rights of another, there is no need to legislate or prosecute.
I reported the locations as not dangerous at all... then again, I am 12,000 miles away on a good day. One time I got lost and wound up 36,000 miles away. Maybe the takeaway here is that I shouldn't report a location as safe just because I am far, far away from there.
You decide what job you want and then use your education and experience to support that. If you want to be an aviation engineer, it should be a no-brainer. I don't think you can use time in the cockpit to help justify medical device engineering...
I ride a bike and drive in a shiny box. The problem isn't the car... it is the congestion and the fact that there is already so much noise that we HAVE to soundproof the car. I was in traffic 2 weeks ago, radio off, and a firetruck came up behind me in an intersection with lights on and siren off because of noise ordinances. How crazy is that?
The issue is people who think they have more rights than anyone else. (i.e don't infringe on my rights, man! I don't want to hear people around me, turn down my radio, but down my cell phone, respond to emergency vehicles or [wait in traffic on my bike].
A little personal responsibility and sense of community can go a long way.
> Most people who construct the "Choose religion or science" frame do so (as I do) because I believe that once someone accepts that a supernatural world exists, they abandon their ability to pursue science. If your willing to accept the supernatural -- what purpose does reason and logic have in the pursuit of science (that which is natural)?
Umm... I believe in both. I accept that God created the heavens and the earth. Science tells us how. This same reasoning allows us to challenge conventional scientific wisdom. Why can't the universe be like a top... subject to the same laws and principles but a supreme being just started the thing spinning?
Someone once said "Logic is the beginning of understanding".
I vote and I write my representative. I donate time and money to the political movements I believe in. I have not stood in a protest line because I personally believe they don't do as much good as hitting politicians in the pocketbook.
One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. - Plato
And the simple fact is that anonymity is crucial in some cases in order to allow a speaker to say what they believe without reprisal. That is my point entirely. I ALSO don't like going to a grocery store and having to use a discount card with my name on it. I don't want the cashier to know me.... I give them money, they give me food.... end of relationship. They don't need to know my name. Do you sign up when you go to a protest? NO! You are there to add your voice... not to be singled out. You shouldn't be required to register somewhere in order to express your political views!
Likewise, what if I want to distribute fliers to bring attention to the problems of my community or governemnt? Should I have to print "If you disagree with me, come to my house and let me know" on the bottom? If someone wanted to find me bad enough, they could.... just like if they wanted to find where my webserver was hosted. All they gotta do is get a warrant, go to the ISP and follow the signal/money. If the machine is not in the US and is using a.com/.net/.org address, and it is distributing subversive material then get a warrant and shut it down.... but not until then.
Yeah, I guess you are right... except in those cases that even our own government uses reprisal as a weapon in the face of criticism. Don't believe me? Ask Scooter Libbey and Karl Rove. So even if the USA, which purports itself to be a beacon of democracy to the rest of the world, treads on these freedoms, what hope have we that other places are not.
There is a reason our founding fathers chose to put freedom of speech in our constitution. Read the writings of John Locke and Thomas Jefferson before you tak about revoking the prinicples on which this country was founded.
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to be an idiot."
I completely agree.... and the simple fact is that if we lose our anonymity and our ability to HAVE free speech, then the terrorists win.
The only way to win the war on terror is to defeat it without giving up any of the rights that make this a great nation anyway.
Now excuse me, I have to go wave the flag a bit more, do an hour of saluting and play "God Bless America" on my electric guitar until the apple pies are done baking.
linux fans are happy (yeay, we are going to 3) SCO looks even more like morons and noone is a liar.
If they were smart (yeah, I know... but IF they were smart) they would have just said 'upcoming releases'. But then again, IF they were smart, they would build a business model not settled around litigation. Even the 'lets buy all of our competitors' strategy of Microsoft and lately Oracle is better than this.
Multicast doesn't work in ipv4? I think you are a bit mistaken.... or else there would be no stock markets (I could cite many example s here, many of which are public and others which would break various NDAs I have signed)
There reason multicast "doesn't work" in IPv4 is because the packets would die as they are routed (TTL is decremented). Even though it is not enforced in ipv6 routing (because of the router subscription by proxy model) it is my guess that it would be strictly regulated (or else I could DOS the internet by subscribing the every multicast address on every host I control). It is my guess that the actual implementation of multicast subscriptions in ipv6 will only be allowed to either 'well known, managed multicast addresses' or by request from 'authorized hosts'.
I doubt we will see the day that any yahoo with a comcast account can request membership to any arbitrary multicast address... nor should they.
Everyone whines about address space and we will run out... but the fact is that the address space is only one of the benefits to ipv6 and not even the biggest one at that.
1) Ipv6 has a fixed 20 bytes header and IPv4 has a 40 byte header with additional sub headers for extention. 20 byte headers are more bandwidth efficient than the larger ipv6 headers and represent a signifigant cost savings to an organization over the long run.
2) ipv6 routers never have to worry about packet fragmentation and re-assembly. Packet too big? Send back an ICMP that says "Packet too big" and let the client/server handle fragmentation. IPv6 routers will need less CPU and memory.
3) Want to switch ISPs? Use dynamic reconfiguration for your addresses. You can keep your old IP to stay responsive as you join a new network and TELL people that you switched IPs. If you have ever gone through an IP renum (for even a subpartition of your network) then you will know how much time and money this feature will save.
4) You have multiple addresses such as link local addressing (fec0) for machines on the same broadcast domain (switches and hubs) org local addressing (for your business and behind the firewall) and none of these need configured locally on the machine... it is all automagic and guarantees uniqueness. You can also have hardwired addresses or use DHCP if you want... but why would you?
5) DNS still works, so do most other services (ok, yeah, you might have to re-run./configure for some)
6) you can still tunnel to backwards ipv4 addresses.
7) oh yeah... something about a larger address space. (which isn't a big deal because right now everyone that wants on the internet is on the internet).
The real points for getting people to move are points 1, 2 and 3 with a little of points 5 and 6 for the FUDders. Stick to the points that will make the PHBs budge and maybe it will happen in the next 2 to 10 years for real. Otherwise we are likely to exhaust our oil reserves before we switch to ipv6.
so your mac address is 02:d0:c1:5c:00:10 ? That might come in handy. From your 2002: address, I can also tell you are natting behind private address space (c0a8 is 192.168)
What? Have you even READ the spec? Have you read a book on the subject?
IPv4 has standard headers and then extended headers. IPv6 does not. period. No extentions, exceptions, addendums or substitutions. Header extensions are simply NOT part of the protocol. So guess what? If there is any type of extension, it HAS to occur at the protocol layer.
Likewise, one of the biggest issues is not only routing, but fragmenttation. So if you send a big packet and it goes through a router with a smaller MTU, the router has to fragment it. IPv6 does not allow this. If you send a big packet and a router can't put it over the link, it sends an ICMP too big error back and the packet source must re-package the packet at a smaller size.... Is this more traffic? only for the very first packet, but the cost is realized over time. (Imagine trying to keep track of sequence numbers of the fragmented packet at the point it is fragmented... a real nightmare).
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Yeah, except when they are too lazy to do the work. I had an expensive car stereo stolen. Police wouldn't come and I was instructed to fill out the report online... much easier to ignore that way. My old neighborhood had a rash of breakins (9 cars over 2 weeks) and the police never came. 2 months later, they set up a speed trap down the hill from us. Why? Because they make money on tickets and theft is a pain in the ass to investigate.
Any and all tools, my ass.
You're all arguing about whether a finite number of worlds exist in infinite space... but you buried the lead. According to the logic, we ourselves don't exist. There is a 0 percent chance that we are present in the universe, that we ever existed or, in fact, that we ever will exist.
Kind of depressing, really.
and also... for the children.
The Bill of Rights WAS meant to protect someone from being prosecuted for treason unless the government acts within the bounds of the Bill of Rights. Namely, right to an attorney, right to a trial, right to warrants, right of free speech, right to cross examine, right to review evidence, right for refuse to board soldiers in your home, right to refuse to submit to a state religion, right to publish articles in the press that do not favor the government.
Any person could make an argument that X is treason or terrorism or any other thing you want to call it. Congress can pass any law they want defining that X is unlawful. They can argue until they are blue in the face that the public needs to be protected from X and in order to protect the public from X that certain rights need to be ignored and bypassed... but guess what... rights are SUPPOSED to trump that. If I am a traitor, prove it without violating my rights. Then and only then can you punish me.
If you sacrifice liberty for security, you deserve neither. && Government should stop legislating morality. && Anytime someone says "There should be a law..." there probably shouldn't.
Laws are supposed to exist to prevent your exercise of rights from affecting my rights. If a person doesn't interfere with the rights of another, there is no need to legislate or prosecute.
Come to think of it, I haven't seen Chuck Norris in a while...
first post, forced pissed, whatever.
so... getting drunk and laid in the military. That's what I did too and I am not Israeli
I reported the locations as not dangerous at all... then again, I am 12,000 miles away on a good day. One time I got lost and wound up 36,000 miles away. Maybe the takeaway here is that I shouldn't report a location as safe just because I am far, far away from there.
um... it is true is every way.
You decide what job you want and then use your education and experience to support that. If you want to be an aviation engineer, it should be a no-brainer. I don't think you can use time in the cockpit to help justify medical device engineering...
Take the one that will turn into a job. Times are gonna get rougher.
Waaa????
I ride a bike and drive in a shiny box. The problem isn't the car... it is the congestion and the fact that there is already so much noise that we HAVE to soundproof the car. I was in traffic 2 weeks ago, radio off, and a firetruck came up behind me in an intersection with lights on and siren off because of noise ordinances. How crazy is that?
The issue is people who think they have more rights than anyone else. (i.e don't infringe on my rights, man! I don't want to hear people around me, turn down my radio, but down my cell phone, respond to emergency vehicles or [wait in traffic on my bike].
A little personal responsibility and sense of community can go a long way.
> Most people who construct the "Choose religion or science" frame do so (as I do) because I believe that once someone accepts that a supernatural world exists, they abandon their ability to pursue science. If your willing to accept the supernatural -- what purpose does reason and logic have in the pursuit of science (that which is natural)?
Umm... I believe in both. I accept that God created the heavens and the earth. Science tells us how. This same reasoning allows us to challenge conventional scientific wisdom. Why can't the universe be like a top... subject to the same laws and principles but a supreme being just started the thing spinning?
Someone once said "Logic is the beginning of understanding".
I vote and I write my representative. I donate time and money to the political movements I believe in. I have not stood in a protest line because I personally believe they don't do as much good as hitting politicians in the pocketbook.
.com/.net/.org address, and it is distributing subversive material then get a warrant and shut it down.... but not until then.
One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you
end up being governed by your inferiors. - Plato
And the simple fact is that anonymity is crucial in some cases in order to allow a speaker to say what they believe without reprisal. That is my point entirely. I ALSO don't like going to a grocery store and having to use a discount card with my name on it. I don't want the cashier to know me.... I give them money, they give me food.... end of relationship. They don't need to know my name. Do you sign up when you go to a protest? NO! You are there to add your voice... not to be singled out. You shouldn't be required to register somewhere in order to express your political views!
Likewise, what if I want to distribute fliers to bring attention to the problems of my community or governemnt? Should I have to print "If you disagree with me, come to my house and let me know" on the bottom? If someone wanted to find me bad enough, they could.... just like if they wanted to find where my webserver was hosted. All they gotta do is get a warrant, go to the ISP and follow the signal/money. If the machine is not in the US and is using a
Yeah, I guess you are right... except in those cases that even our own government uses reprisal as a weapon in the face of criticism. Don't believe me? Ask Scooter Libbey and Karl Rove. So even if the USA, which purports itself to be a beacon of democracy to the rest of the world, treads on these freedoms, what hope have we that other places are not.
There is a reason our founding fathers chose to put freedom of speech in our constitution. Read the writings of John Locke and Thomas Jefferson before you tak about revoking the prinicples on which this country was founded.
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to be an idiot."
I completely agree.... and the simple fact is that if we lose our anonymity and our ability to HAVE free speech, then the terrorists win.
The only way to win the war on terror is to defeat it without giving up any of the rights that make this a great nation anyway.
Now excuse me, I have to go wave the flag a bit more, do an hour of saluting and play "God Bless America" on my electric guitar until the apple pies are done baking.
I am so afraid to do anything that I might get sued that I will do NOTHING. Sounds like the defence used in the Nurenburg trials.
If you know that someone is doing something mean, nasty and evil.... you let someone know. Plain and simple.
That is just silly. Without oxygen you can't start a lawnmower...
Oh, wait. If they mean I have to use one of those old-timey push mowers I will NEVER go to space.
linux fans are happy (yeay, we are going to 3)
SCO looks even more like morons
and noone is a liar.
If they were smart (yeah, I know... but IF they were smart) they would have just said 'upcoming releases'. But then again, IF they were smart, they would build a business model not settled around litigation. Even the 'lets buy all of our competitors' strategy of Microsoft and lately Oracle is better than this.
Multicast doesn't work in ipv4? I think you are a bit mistaken.... or else there would be no stock markets (I could cite many example s here, many of which are public and others which would break various NDAs I have signed)
There reason multicast "doesn't work" in IPv4 is because the packets would die as they are routed (TTL is decremented). Even though it is not enforced in ipv6 routing (because of the router subscription by proxy model) it is my guess that it would be strictly regulated (or else I could DOS the internet by subscribing the every multicast address on every host I control). It is my guess that the actual implementation of multicast subscriptions in ipv6 will only be allowed to either 'well known, managed multicast addresses' or by request from 'authorized hosts'.
I doubt we will see the day that any yahoo with a comcast account can request membership to any arbitrary multicast address... nor should they.
your host file will take ipv6 addresses (even if you run windows). DHCP will also resolve them (the record type is an A6 instead of a plain A).
If you switch, noone would be the wiser, specially if you are using a proxy server.
Everyone whines about address space and we will run out... but the fact is that the address space is only one of the benefits to ipv6 and not even the biggest one at that.
./configure for some)
1) Ipv6 has a fixed 20 bytes header and IPv4 has a 40 byte header with additional sub headers for extention. 20 byte headers are more bandwidth efficient than the larger ipv6 headers and represent a signifigant cost savings to an organization over the long run.
2) ipv6 routers never have to worry about packet fragmentation and re-assembly. Packet too big? Send back an ICMP that says "Packet too big" and let the client/server handle fragmentation. IPv6 routers will need less CPU and memory.
3) Want to switch ISPs? Use dynamic reconfiguration for your addresses. You can keep your old IP to stay responsive as you join a new network and TELL people that you switched IPs. If you have ever gone through an IP renum (for even a subpartition of your network) then you will know how much time and money this feature will save.
4) You have multiple addresses such as link local addressing (fec0) for machines on the same broadcast domain (switches and hubs) org local addressing (for your business and behind the firewall) and none of these need configured locally on the machine... it is all automagic and guarantees uniqueness. You can also have hardwired addresses or use DHCP if you want... but why would you?
5) DNS still works, so do most other services (ok, yeah, you might have to re-run
6) you can still tunnel to backwards ipv4 addresses.
7) oh yeah... something about a larger address space. (which isn't a big deal because right now everyone that wants on the internet is on the internet).
The real points for getting people to move are points 1, 2 and 3 with a little of points 5 and 6 for the FUDders. Stick to the points that will make the PHBs budge and maybe it will happen in the next 2 to 10 years for real. Otherwise we are likely to exhaust our oil reserves before we switch to ipv6.
so your mac address is 02:d0:c1:5c:00:10 ? That might come in handy. From your 2002: address, I can also tell you are natting behind private address space (c0a8 is 192.168)
::1 is easier to write than 127.0.0.1
BTW
What? Have you even READ the spec? Have you read a book on the subject?
IPv4 has standard headers and then extended headers. IPv6 does not. period. No extentions, exceptions, addendums or substitutions. Header extensions are simply NOT part of the protocol. So guess what? If there is any type of extension, it HAS to occur at the protocol layer.
Likewise, one of the biggest issues is not only routing, but fragmenttation. So if you send a big packet and it goes through a router with a smaller MTU, the router has to fragment it. IPv6 does not allow this. If you send a big packet and a router can't put it over the link, it sends an ICMP too big error back and the packet source must re-package the packet at a smaller size.... Is this more traffic? only for the very first packet, but the cost is realized over time. (Imagine trying to keep track of sequence numbers of the fragmented packet at the point it is fragmented... a real nightmare).
I would like to welcome our new military overlords
They want me here? Fine, I'm here. But, I get my bills paid, my shopping done and my resumes updated.
40 hours/week of real coding is rare anymore for me and my coworkers. It is usually a little south, even if they make us work more.