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Jeff Bezos: AWS Will Break $10 Billion This Year (windowsitpro.com)

v3rgEz writes: Jeff Bezos is bullish on the cloud, pegging AWS' sales for this year at $10 billion in a recent letter to shareholders. But he said there was a surprising source of that success: The company's willingness to fail. That said, with AWS now spanning 70 different services, Amazon can afford to fail some as long as few, like EC2 and S3, keep winning. Bezos wrote: "One area where I think we are especially distinctive is failure. I believe we are the best place in the world to fail (we have plenty of practice!), and failure and invention are inseparable twins. To invent you have to experiment, and if you know in advance that it's going to work, it's not an experiment. Most large organizations embrace the idea of invention, but are not willing to suffer the string of failed experiments necessary to get there."

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  1. Innovation and drones by loufoque · · Score: 1

    Amazon seems to have a great culture for innovation.
    Where are my delivery drones and flying cars?

    1. Re:Innovation and drones by Epeeist · · Score: 2

      Amazon seems to have a great culture for innovation.

      They seem to have some excellent tax lawyers as well.

    2. Re:Innovation and drones by Coisiche · · Score: 5, Informative

      Kindles are just a rip off of the iPad.

      Not really like for like, except for the Fire but it's not really a Kindle in my opinion. Anyway, the first Kindle was about 3 years before the first iPad.

    3. Re:Innovation and drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the iPad is just a ripoff of the Dynabook.

    4. Re:Innovation and drones by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      And the iPad is just an updated Newton.

    5. Re:Innovation and drones by Maritz · · Score: 2

      Kindles came first. I know what you mean though - it truly was gracious of Apple to let everyone else make flat things with screens.

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    6. Re:Innovation and drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought an iPad because:

      1. I didn't want to be locked into Amazon's wonky ass operating system.

      2. I didn't want just an e-reader.

      Looking back at the amount of dust my iPad has collected, I should've just bought an e-ink Kindle. For general purpose uses, the iPad is pretty worthless when I'm surrounded by a glorious desktop, a phone, and a MacBook Air. For reading? Shit, turns out the last thing I want to do is stare into yet another backlit screen.

    7. Re:Innovation and drones by messymerry · · Score: 1

      It's pads all the way down...

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    8. Re:Innovation and drones by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Where are my delivery drones and flying cars?

      That was what he meant about having a lot of practice failing.

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    9. Re:Innovation and drones by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      After owning a tablet for awhile, I have to almost agree. The tablet is great for reading and web-browsing (when the crap on the page doesn't wreak havoc on the limited resources on the tablet), but I find that I'd rather stab myself in the thigh than actually try to type anything into one without a keyboard. And if I'm doing that, why don't I just get a very light laptop?

      I think tablets excel when you need something like a big graphical control panel and readout that can be touch activated or if you have to read something conveniently, but unless you are doing more than reading e-books with it, you may be better off with something like a Kindle.

      For the record, I don't own a Kindle, but my limited experience with one makes me think it is a much better reading experience.

    10. Re:Innovation and drones by lgw · · Score: 1

      Where are my delivery drones and flying cars?

      That was what he meant about having a lot of practice failing.

      ... or falling, as the case may be.

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    11. Re:Innovation and drones by martinfb · · Score: 1

      I got the drone. I thought I could keep it! Send a flying car if you want it back.

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  2. Most corporations worship innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Innovation and invention are two different things. And worship is neither sufficient nor necessary to get either.

  3. A profitable product from Amazon by justcauseisjustthat · · Score: 2

    I wonder if the AWS business will actually lead Amazon to make a profit, I've read so much about how they never make a profit in the news, I seriously wonder if this could be the tipping point (product).

    1. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by jandersen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wonder if the AWS business will actually lead Amazon to make a profit, I've read so much about how they never make a profit in the news, I seriously wonder if this could be the tipping point (product).

      Perhaps what we are talking about here is TAXABLE profit? Amazon, among others, have been in the news for not paying any tax due to what can best be described as trickery. Legal, but not morally right - in the sense that if you benefit (eg. as in making money) from a nation or other group of entities, then it is right that you pay for it to that nation/group of entities. Actually, this is a basic principle in business; there wouldn't be any business, if only one side profited from the relationship.

    2. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is a lot of pressure on their pricing, especially the storage side. Google is cheaper and Nearline is much faster (3 seconds) than Amazon's Glacier product (1 hour). Microsoft are fairly competitive too, and the integration with Visual Studio and .NET makes their platform quite attractive to many people.

      Could be a while before they make any money. It's a new, rapidly developing market and they have some big competitors.

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    3. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by jabuzz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Amazon has generally not being paying much tax because it reinvests much if not all of it's profits back into the business to grow it. Nothing even morally wrong about reinvesting "profits" back into the business and thus not paying tax on them. Governments in general even encourage this behaviour.

      What is odd about Amazon is that they have been doing this now for 20 years.

    4. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      What is this untaxed corporate profit you speak of? I know individuals can sometimes have untaxed capital gains (for example, the first $250,000 in profit on sale of your primary residence), but corporations? All profits are taxed. They may not be taxed in a foreign jurisdiction (other than the taxes the local jurisdiction applies, which to the best of my knowledge is always greater than zero), but when repatriated those profits are taxed at the full rate.

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    5. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So you find it to be 'trickery' to reinvest all profits to build more products, services, investment opportunities, even bloody jobs as opposed to using them to buy larger yachts? Interesting definition of 'trickery'.

    6. Re: A profitable product from Amazon by Bartles · · Score: 1

      You don't make money "from a nation". You provide a product that is more valuable to people than the money they give you for the product. Both sides come away from the transaction enriched. You idiots act like what amazon is doing is something to be punished.

    7. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Amazon has generally not being paying much tax because it reinvests much if not all of it's profits back into the business to grow it. Nothing even morally wrong about reinvesting "profits" back into the business and thus not paying tax on them. Governments in general even encourage this behaviour.

      Not completely true.

      The US government, at least, taxes any regular businesses on their profit as income, *even if it's reinvested back in the form of assets.

      Amazon really isn't profitable. How do you think that they can afford to sell stuff cheaper than everybody else and eat the shipping?

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    8. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      What is "morally wrong" about choosing not to put money in the bank, and instead using any and all revenue for expenses, lowering costs, expanding business, and R&D?

      That's just called making a business decision, and morality has the square root of jack shit to do with it.

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    9. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by jdavidb · · Score: 1

      Actually, tax avoidance is completely morally right. I hope eventually to live in a time of 100% tax avoidance. I don't believe we benefit from the parasitical government-governed relationship, but I'd be very happy to see that tested in an environment of completely freedom by letting each individual decide if they want to maintain it or not.

    10. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Really? Taxes are now about morality? I rather thought that taxes were about the people with guns who would come to repossess my house if I didn't pay them.

      Yeah, I get that infrastructure improvements and all of that are paid for by taxes. I also note that our budget in the US is trillions of dollars a year, which dwarfs any company that I am aware of anywhere. Perhaps instead of setting up a pseudo-statist religion about paying taxes, we should maybe get the government to somehow make use of the incredibly large amount of money that we already do give them to run things. A budget, I might add, that dwarfs that which was made available to build the Interstate Highway system, let alone the lesser amount to maintain it.

      And yeah, arrest those fuckers who are tax evaders, but don't start moralizing about people who save money on taxes via the same loopholes given to them by the government you want to give more money to.

      What is going to happen is the government will nod their heads, pretend to be all about the People, stick out their hands for more money, and work out the donations and bribes needed to reinstate some new loopholes when the heat has died down. I don't feel anyone has a moral duty to support a government that can't seem to operate itself on its own tax laws.

    11. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't Amazon pay plenty of taxes directly via social security contributions, unemployment insurance and indirectly via their workers' income taxes?

    12. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Dunno about Amazon. But Apple... remember that loan against assets outside the US to distribute a dividend to investors a couple of years back? Just so they could get off paying taxes from profits and still distribute a dividend.

    13. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Amazon really isn't profitable. How do you think that they can afford to sell stuff cheaper than everybody else and eat the shipping?

      At least here in Europe they used to do it by not paying any VAT to the state and charging you for it nonetheless. Something a physical store can't do.

    14. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, tax avoidance is completely morally right. I hope eventually to live in a time of 100% tax avoidance. I don't believe we benefit from the parasitical government-governed relationship, but I'd be very happy to see that tested in an environment of completely freedom by letting each individual decide if they want to maintain it or not.

      So you are opposed to a public Fire Department putting out the fire on my house as you sleep next door?

      How about if I pay my security guards more than you can afford and they all say you made a threatening gesture before shooting you?

      Make it effectively unpunishable for a sociopath to kill you (i.e. no government) and sociopaths will kill you.

      We humans in favor of civilization lived like that and, as a group, decided it wasn't the wiser choice.

      Government is what our ancestors decided to call the sociopaths fighting for control that were at least minimally tolerable vs open warfare. Don't like it here/there? Try Somalia.

    15. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by jdavidb · · Score: 1

      Government is what our ancestors decided to call the sociopaths fighting for control

      Right, no reason to improve on that.

    16. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by phunster · · Score: 1

      "and morality has the square root of jack shit to do with it." and that is exactly the problem.

    17. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Government is what our ancestors decided to call the sociopaths fighting for control

      Right, no reason to improve on that.

      Ah, the old willfully deceptive editing trick. Here's the actual quote:

      Government is what our ancestors decided to call the sociopaths fighting for control that were at least minimally tolerable vs open warfare.

      In case it wasn't willful, I'll add emphasis for your old cataracted eyes

      Government is what our ancestors decided to call the sociopaths fighting for control that were at least minimally tolerable vs open warfare.

      Your side lost, BJ David. Non lords get to vote. Non landowners get to vote. Even poor white men got the vote. Blacks get to vote. Women get to vote, even gay black women get to vote. Get over it.

      If you want to overthrow the lawfully elected government, don't expect the other side to respect property rights enforced by the lawfully elected government. Here's a tip for you. If I don't have the right to a shot at a safe stable life, I have no reason to not burn you alive in your home while you sleep in order to pick through the scrap metal left afterwards and sell it to the local warlord for a crust of bread. I'm smart enough and as angry as any other old white man to know how to burn the whole place down.

      I happen to have a nice job, home and plenty of cash that I don't feel a need to. But, unlike you, I understand what happens if you marginalize and persecute a group. If you want to execute them all, say so - I can get behind a war that will actually give us treasure instead of costing us it. Otherwise explain why people who can't compete against someone like me shouldn't try to kill me if the alternative is their own starvation or imprisonment.

    18. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      technically, the majority share of these taxes are paid by their employees.

    19. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by jdavidb · · Score: 1

      Government is what our ancestors decided to call the sociopaths fighting for control that were at least minimally tolerable vs open warfare.

      Right, no reason to improve on that, then.

      In case it wasn't willful, I'll add emphasis for your old cataracted eyes

      I love it. It's funny because it's true! Or close. I'm blind as a bat.

      Your side lost, BJ David.

      I see what you did there.

      Your side lost, BJ David. Non lords get to vote. Non landowners get to vote. Even poor white men got the vote. Blacks get to vote. Women get to vote, even gay black women get to vote. Get over it.

      I think you are slightly confused about what side I'm on. I oppose lords voting. I oppose lords, period. I was playing a song to my kids yesterday with the lyric "Until all tyrants perish our work shall not be done."

      If you want to overthrow the lawfully elected government

      I don't want to overthrow anything. I want you to keep your government, if you want it. I just want everybody else to have the right to alter or abolish it for themselves, while you keep yours, instituting their own new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. I realize that's radical, but a lot of people would like to stop paying for killing brown people around the world and stuff like that and just focus on protecting their own life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

    20. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by jandersen · · Score: 1

      Really? Taxes are now about morality? I rather thought that taxes were about the people with guns who would come to repossess my house if I didn't pay them.

      It is like this: As you say yourself, certain things are paid for via the taxes, such as infrastructure, and in many countries also education and healthcare. If you don't pay tax, but still benefit from these things, then you are essentially freeloading; whether that is immoral or not is perhaps worth discussing, but while you can excuse those who genuinely can't find the means to pay tax - for example because they are unimployed - I don't think you can excuse people who could easily afford to pay, but are rich enough to find ways to avoid it legally or not. To me this is clearly a moral issue; why should those taxpayers who are not wealthy enough to squirrel their wealth away have to support a bunch of rich freeloaders?

    21. Re:A profitable product from Amazon by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      I really don't understand this idea that it's morally wrong to choose to reinvest profits into the business, rather than stuff it in a mattress or bank account. Growth is a good thing - it increases employment, and through that increases taxes paid, which increases the amounts of money available to build infrastructure, and help people that need it. You know, like Social Security, which is entirely funded by payroll tax.

      Where did this idea come from that a successful business that chooses to expand is some evil idea?

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  4. Company willing to let employees fail? by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    It's one thing if Bezos is ok with the company failing for a strategic product/service that was his decision. I wonder if he's as forgiving when the failure rests on someone else within the company.

    1. Re:Company willing to let employees fail? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2

      It's one thing if Bezos is ok with the company failing for a strategic product/service that was his decision. I wonder if he's as forgiving when the failure rests on someone else within the company.

      I would guess it depends how you fail. Trying something new to see if it has potential and failing is very different from nit being able to do the job. 3M used (still does?) to let employees spend some percentage of time and money on ideas that interested them; the theory was if only a small percentage were successful it still was a good bet and a failure in one area could turn out to be wildly successful in another. Post it notes came from a failed attempt to make a super strong adhesive and Scotch Brite reflective tape form a failed attempt to make reflective material for use on roads. The inventor of Scotch Brite rose to be the CEO of 3m. By encouraging people to experiment and try things without worrying about failing spurred creativity and innovation. It sounds like that is Bezo's goal.

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  5. Few people here write correct English by edittard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Amazon can afford to fail some as long as few, like EC2 and S3, keep winning

    That should be "a few".

    A seemingly minor omission but it almost reverses the meaning.

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    1. Re:Few people here write correct English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need to be perdantic, most of us hear can work that out for themselves.

    2. Re:Few people here write correct English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In more ambiguous cases, this kind of a mistake will change the meaning completely. Minor typos that have only one sensible interpretation are not a problem.

    3. Re:Few people here write correct English by justcauseisjustthat · · Score: 1

      To the grammar police who are often upset, I'd like to send you a big HUG and state "There, Their, they're" (fair use/archived/borrowed from karengibbs.com.au)

    4. Re:Few people here write correct English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon can afford to fail some as long as few, like edittard, keep whining

      They're, FTFY

    5. Re:Few people here write correct English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grammar is important when you're covering news and business. This is a commercial site which employs editors. There's no fucking excuse for the crap served on /. multiple times a day.

      Look at how little they're doing. One or two fucking paragraphs, yet they can't even perform elementary copy-edit functions.

    6. Re:Few people here write correct English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      https://science.slashdot.org/story/16/03/31/1644258/study-says-people-who-continually-point-out-typos-are-jerks

    7. Re:Few people here write correct English by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      I am shocked, shocked I say, that this site which gets my hard earned money can't even have editors who can do their jobs. It's at though this was some sort of free site and not a journal of towering respectability. I will have to have a word with my account manager immediately about this insulting dereliction!

    8. Re: Few people here write correct English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but the consequences of misinterpreting the post are so low correcting it is a waste of resources, recall that you only live once

    9. Re:Few people here write correct English by barrywalker · · Score: 1

      Right. It's the difference between "Let's eat, grandma" and "Let's eat grandma"

    10. Re:Few people here write correct English by martinfb · · Score: 1

      That should be "a few".

      A seemingly minor omission but it almost reverses the meaning.

      Really?! I got the jist just fine. You must be one of those 'jerks' mentioned in a recent Slashdotted story about people that correct/complain about typos.

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  6. Amazon isn't really being avant guard by seoras · · Score: 1

    It's a message to the whole company not just the shareholders.
    If you have a corporate culture of arse covering no one takes risks and failures are exploited for personal gain and power building.
    You end up with a stagnant enterprise caused by internal fragmentation.

    To change that you need a system where everyone buys into a gamble, or commercial sandbox.
    From the very top of the organisation it is understood that no blame will be used against anyone.
    Instead failure is reviewed and mined for data at every level in the chain of command.
    Assumptions and unknowns are removed and everyone moves on.

    It has to come from the very top and the shareholders need to buy into this mindset too.
    Google and Apple have been following this model for a while, Amazon isn't really being avant guard in this respect.

    1. Re:Amazon isn't really being avant guard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a little more difficult in Amazon's case, as many of their employees are literally forbidden to speak to each other under pain of immediate termination. Jeff Bezos is willing to fail at being a human being every single day. YAY capitalism!

  7. Of course it will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course it will when you charge me $250 for two days of hosting a test database when I was just checking out AWS features...

  8. Re:Question for Slashdot users by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

    No doubt the SJWs will disagree, but it rather depends on what kind of naughty bits you have.

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  9. Re: seoras is really being a connard by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    It's generally a bad idea to use foreign phrases in writing when you've only heard them spoken.

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  10. Re:"as long as few, like EC2 and S3, keep winning. by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1, Troll

    Why are Americans so unbelievably stupid?

    Why are you so unbearably snobbish?

    I think you mean "as long as A few, like EC2 and S3, keep winning."

    I think you mean "as long as a few, like EC2 and S3, keep winning." Capitalising the article in the middle of the sentence is simply incorrect.

    The original phrase has a completely different meaning. But then, you're AMERICANS. Cretins.

    Either you are not so good at grammar as you imagine, or you are a poor typist. But then, you're an ASSHOLE. Cretin.

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  11. Sales schmales by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    $10 billion is sales is easy. Buy stuff worth $12.5 billion and sell it at 20% off.

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    1. Re:Sales schmales by Alomex · · Score: 1

      I'm rather critical of Amazon's sales model, since they seem unable to turn a profit in their retail arm. However their margins in AWS are huge. Lately, Microsoft and Google have turned up the pressure, so their AWS margins might go down a bit, but they will still be around 20%.

  12. SYNTAX ERROR! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well thank you MISTER BASIC INTERPRETER! Reminds me of gw-basic SYNTAX ERROR!

    RENUMBER!

  13. Amazon sure does fail a lot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The vast majority of their products are half baked solutions at best, but evidently getting that early user adoption keeps people loyal as long as you don't fuck up toooo much. (Mostly in reference to AWS)

  14. WTF is AWS? by advocate_one · · Score: 1

    Am I alone in wondering what the heck this article is about?

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    1. Re:WTF is AWS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Given that Amazon's AWS is the greatest (as in size and well-knownness) pioneer of cloud infrastructure-as-a-service and other -as-a-service things, you probably are not in the target audience of this article. It would be a bit like explaining what SystemD is in every article about it.

    2. Re:WTF is AWS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awesome Wiener Sausages... also, they come from Amazon - Brazil, but that you probably already knew.

    3. Re:WTF is AWS? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Nobody touch it! It's scared, can't you see? It doesn't seem to understand us.... I wonder how it got here? Someone call the police, it probably left it's cave in the mountains to find food.... poor thing...

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    4. Re:WTF is AWS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I alone in wondering what the heck this article is about?

      Yes, and the time it took you to type that message you could had done a google, bing, yahoo, or maybe even babelfish search and find out. Or maybe just ignore it if you aren't even using it.

  15. Amazon Genius by Grindalf · · Score: 1

    Bezos is clever. He's cheaping off thin computing. I want him to win so that fast hot desktop PCs and Macs get cheap through having a larger customer base.

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    1. Re:Amazon Genius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If anything, desktop market will only get worse... as in "Why the hell I would buy a desktop if a thin computing client is vastly cheaper?"

      This will probably lead to desktop market collapse, not cheaper "fast hot desktop".

    2. Re:Amazon Genius by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      100% correct.

    3. Re:Amazon Genius by Grindalf · · Score: 1

      If the "fire" is $50, then consumers still have enough money to spare to buy a solid desktop. Also it psychologically decays the consumer item's value as it gets cheaper, like it did with the calculator market and digital watches in the 1980s. Eventually it's "the chintz" that's free with cornflakes packets. Then as mass production increases for any consumer item, the unit price always falls, including Macs and PCs.

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  16. Re: seoras is really being a connard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If he was spelling phonetically he would have written "avont" not "avant", so it's fairly clear he has seen it written down. Maybe he just forgot how its spelled. That's far more forgiveable than making unwarranted assumptions just so you can be a smart-arse IMO.

  17. Twenty seconds on Google... by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Am I alone in wondering what the heck this article is about?

    Here on slashdot? Yeah pretty much...

  18. Next up.... by wbr1 · · Score: 1

    Jeff Bezos: "Do you know who I am? I'm the man that's gonna burn your house down. WITH THE LEMONS!"

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  19. make a profit jeff does not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hi, as a worker in one of these amazon places, i had to sit thru a ethics info mercial about insider trading, it made me smile,

  20. You need profits to owe taxes by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps what we are talking about here is TAXABLE profit? Amazon, among others, have been in the news for not paying any tax due to what can best be described as trickery.

    Amazon doesn't pay a lot of tax primarily because they don't make a lot of profit. While they definitely do some of the same shenanigans other multi-nationals engage in (and shame on them for that), Amazon doesn't do as much of it because they don't need to. They only get taxed on their profits which have been generally scant. They generate a lot of revenue but their margins aren't huge and they re-invest much of that into the company or in building products to get bigger and their primary business (online sales) isn't a fat margin business to begin with.

    Unlike companies like Apple which generate huge profits but then route it through countries with low tax obligations or other overly clever schemes, Amazon just generates minimal profits by actually investing in their business. As such they don't pay a lot of tax mostly for a reason I can actually get behind - building their business. Believe me I'm hugely against companies that dodge taxes through financial engineering but I think as a general proposition there are better companies to target tax dodging rage against at the moment than Amazon.

    It wouldn't surprise me if in time AWS turned into the real profit center for Amazon. I think the same thought has occurred to Amazon management

    1. Re:You need profits to owe taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AWS is, for sure, the real profit center for Amazon. "Amazon.com lost $50 million in the first quarter of [2015]. AWS made more than a $165 million profit."
      http://www.networkworld.com/article/2914888/cloud-computing/should-aws-spin-out-from-amazon.html

    2. Re:You need profits to owe taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon just generates minimal profits by actually investing in their business. As such they don't pay a lot of tax mostly for a reason I can actually get behind - building their business.

      Amen to that. I'm sick and tired of hearing "Joe the Plumbers" complain about how high business taxes are. If your business is paying income tax, it means you are profitable even AFTER you pay yourself a suitably generous salary.

      $1/year CEOs and the less egregious versions need to quit dodging personal income taxes if they want to whine about corporate income taxes if they wanted sympathy from me. Which they don't, they want immunity from any taxes or oversight.

  21. There is no cloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's just someone else's computer.

  22. Has it made any money yet? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Has amazon made any profits yet?

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  23. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you break $10 billion, you'd darn well better fix it!

  24. Re: seoras is really being a connard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm with you 100%. People who do that lack that jenny-say-quah.

  25. What the f*** is AWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    elementary journalism fail

    1. Re:What the f*** is AWS by timritzer · · Score: 1

      elementary journalism fail

      Really? In a news for nerds site if you don't know what one of the three biggest cloud hosting providers is then *YOU ARE NOT THE TARGET AUDIENCE* Nerds know what AWS is. They might use it, they might hate it, but they certainly know what it is. If every article around here treated me like a special snowflake with no brain I would stop reading slashdot. Go be clueless elsewhere.

    2. Re:What the f*** is AWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a while the DNC was paying people to post here, I used to make fun of them. They posted M-F 9-5 EST and never outside those times and every AGW article they would have 50 postings each. The worst one asked what a linker was on a story about a new C linker and said the site was stupid for not explaining it.

      Now that the election is heating up, they might be posting again. They saw a story about Amazon and were trying to figure out what spin to put on it to make people vote for Clinton but got confused by the AWS part. They may have also thought it was Brazil Amazon and AWS was a typo for AGW, but none of the posts seemed to make that point and they got confused.

      You will notice a number of people asked the same question, so the DNC may be paying people to post again. They usually log in instead of posting AC, I switched to AC because they kept posting obscenities after every one of my logged in posts.

    3. Re:What the f*** is AWS by quetwo · · Score: 1

      If you honestly don't know -- http://lmgtfy.com/?q=AWS

      Then again, if you honestly don't know, then you haven't been paying attention to anything related to the internet for at least the last 5 years. Little hint : about half of the Fortune 100 uses them for at least some of their services.

  26. Re:Question for Slashdot users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, no it doesn't matter what kind of bitz. an old glass quart bottle like milk used to come in works. Glass is your friend.

  27. Re: seoras is really being a connard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what did she say?

  28. Re:"as long as few, like EC2 and S3, keep winning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. fructose 2. irrelevant 3. duh

  29. Re:Question for Slashdot users by TwoEyedJack · · Score: 1

    You could always use the "trucker bomb" method: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7912...

  30. What a loss by theendlessnow · · Score: 1

    Subject line reads very different if you remove the dollar sign.

  31. Taxation is immoral. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Taxation is immoral. Besides, it's better that capital be allocated by productive people instead of government bureaucrats.

    1. Re:Taxation is immoral. by phunster · · Score: 1

      Taxation is immoral. Besides, it's better that capital be allocated by productive people instead of government bureaucrats.

      I guess then that you would be fine without any roads, bridges, tunnels, garbage pickup, police departments, fire departments, schools, communications satellites, etc., etc.. You are either ignorant, heartless or both.

    2. Re:Taxation is immoral. by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      You are either ignorant, heartless or both.

      Nope. They're just a troll.

  32. Re: seoras is really being a connard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    quah

  33. The string of failed experiments by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    Most large organizations embrace the idea of invention, but are not willing to suffer the string of failed experiments necessary to get there.

    In my experience, I would have to agree. The companies where I've worked embrace the idea of making money in a world of slim margins. Lower level management says "give me base hits" but the executive level needs every hit to be an out-of-the-park home run. Fail on your own time dammit. We're paying you to be successful.

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  34. I get what they're saying, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    saying, "we've failed, a lot!" is not exactly a positive business image to present.

  35. Amazon Employees by mrops · · Score: 1

    Amazon or any other big corporation does not pay taxes is a misnomer.

    Such organization choose to spend this money in investment or give their money to employees as salaries and bonuses, amazon has 222K employees, if it spends half of this 10billion in employee salaries and bonuses, billions just went in taxes to the government.