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Intel Cuts Atom Chips, Basically Giving Up On Smartphone and Tablet Market (pcworld.com)
Intel, the marquee PC chipmaker, has long struggled to get a foothold in the smartphone market. The company, which was late in joining the mobile platform, is still playing catchup with Qualcomm and MediaTek. And it appears it's finally giving up on this ambition. The company is "immediately canceling" Atom chips, code-named Sofia and Broxton, for mobile devices, reports PCWorld, citing a company's spokesperson. The publication reports:Intel's mobile chip roadmap now has a giant hole after the cancellation of the chips. Intel's existing smartphone and tablet-only chips are aging and due for upgrades, and no major replacements are in sight. Sofia is already shipping, and Broxton was due to ship this year but had been delayed. Intel is also discontinuing its Atom X5 line of tablet chips code-named Cherry Trail, which is being replaced by Pentium and Celeron chips code-named Apollo Lake, aimed more at hybrids than pure tablets. Many PC makers are already choosing Intel's Skylake Core M processors over Cherry Trail for hybrids and PC-like tablets.The announcement comes days after its CEO outlined the company's future vision, and a week after the chipmaker let go 12,000 people.
My first impression is that this does not look like a good day for Microsoft. Is this back to Windows RT? That worked so well last time.
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Time to stock up on prepper basics: food, water, ammo, and silicon.
My prediction of Intel becoming IBM is coming true much faster than I expected.
Oligopolies and monopolies typically lose their competitive edge once they reach the top of the hill.
They get fat, happy, and entrenched in their ways and cannot undo the bad habits until things are so bad that they have no other choice but to change. By that time the company is usually too deep to be saved.
It's kind of like somebody not changing their bad diet until they have a debilitating stroke. However, the equivalent of a stroke in Big Co-ville is bankruptcy.
Rinse, die, repeat.
IBM was very lucky to have a decent second life in the late 90's. But it was largely because their consulting side was a mostly a new team, who were still fresh and hungry. Whether they'll get a 3rd chance will be interesting to see...
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I got an Atom 330 back in 2009 and actually used it for about 5 years (until in 2014 I replaced it with an Athlon II from 2010). It was "good enough" once you got used to it, but obviously very low-end.
What became impressive later, was in 2013 when Haswell processors started getting into the same wattage ballpark, but needless to say, with way awesomer performance. And that's a couple generations ago: I bet Intel's own Skylake (not just ARM) is what really put the squeeze on Atom.
Maybe Intel is really getting out of mobiles, but I think it's more believable that they're going to use their much better cores in that market.
Intel doesn't view tablets as a standalone market any longer, with form factors quickly merging.
Maybe Intel is right. The market for phones is saturated (Apple knows this) and low profit margin. Tablets are a passing fad. The future is somewhere else.
I use AMD in my desktops as they're much cheaper for not much loss in performance.
I do have a Bay Trail tablet, and this news saddens me. It is the death of mobile x86. Sure x86 tablets did not have the battery life as ARM but it had one major advantage. The ability to use real desktop programs. In a closed source environment such as Windows, this was extremely important. Especially when your work involves software which requires desktop computing and does not come with source code. Likewise you never had to deal with crappy mobile ports.
(And before someone quips about touch screen, touchpointermouse turns the entire tablet screen into a giant track pad. )
for some things, at least.
for audio, it was great. an x86 platform with a proper network interface, proper sata interface, expandable memory to reasonable mounts (for its application) and often there was onboard atx psu parts so you gave it a laptop 18v dc brick and that was your whole psu. totally silent, with an ssd.
otoh, the recent (last year or 2) of i3 has been so cool running, you can just use the fanless i3 variant on an itx board and have more fun.
still, the atom on the board was low cost, often fanless (more than the i3 was) and good enough for some video and any audio you could throw at it. it could be a nas server, as well.
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There was also a dot-com boom and this penguin guy to help them along in the 90's. I hope IBM had a "plan B" and I hope they adopt some stable and sane HR policies... I think that would go a long ways towards a "3rd chance"
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Is it that difficult to make a low-power 80x86 ISA chip to compete with ARM manufacturers? I know the legacy instruction decoding is always going to take space, but I thought at this point the transistor count compared to the rest of the chip was small. I figured Intel with their leading edge fabs would be able to pull it off.
Having seen the bloom of CPU architectures in the 80s and 90s, and the effective monoculture we have now on the performance end of things, it would be interesting to see competing models and new attempts start popping up here and there. Everyone points to Apple's A-series as possibly moving to the desktop, but why just them? The world worked just fine when there was competition â" x86 vs 68k, PPC vs Alpha vs x86, etc. etc. Good things could grow if Intel would no longer be the 500-lb beast.
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I wonder what this means for Windows 10 Mobile.
The tiny but dedicated fanbase kept insisting that an x86-based "Surface Phone" was on the way "any time now", and was going to be the platform's saviour. But now there's no Atom, and I doubt a Core M is going to fit in there anytime soon.
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Intel Celeron processor N2840 works fine in tablets, so why does this make it sound like they are dropping out of tablets? It is just too expensive? I haven't priced the parts, just the systems they come in.
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From TFA (I know, I know), it doesn't mention the fate of the server-oriented atoms, so those might still continue. Although those themselves seem a bit redundant with the Xeon D line.
Intel was caught napping by the mobile revolution, and they were late to the party. Thanks to iPhone and Android devices, ARM is the standard for mobile.
Now, that by itself doesn't force out Intel. But ARM is very inexpensive, and available from multiple vendors. Intel's business model is to make chips that you need, that you can only get from Intel, and then charge a very profitable margin on those chips. Intel does not want to compete on price in a commodity market; that's not what they do.
So now Intel was trying to carve out a share of the mobile chip market, and it was competing against a chip design that is available from roughly six different companies. Their desired end game would be for the mobile companies to buy Intel chips, get locked in so they depended on Intel chips, and pay a profitable margin to Intel for those chips. But none of the mobile manufacturers wanted that... why would they? Why not just keep using ARM, which is getting more and more powerful anyway?
Intel basically had to pay companies to use the Atom. A few took Intel up on it, but those devices did not shake up the market at all. Basically a mobile device with an Atom was about as good as a mobile device with an ARM chip.
The only way this could possibly have worked would have been for Atom to be better than ARM, and not just a little better; it had to be so much better that it was a clear slam-dunk win, such an amazing chip that it would be worth the risk of entering into an entangling agreement with Intel (and being on the hook for Intel raising the prices on the chips). I see no evidence that Atom was really better at all than the ARM chips, let alone that much better.
So Intel is now going to stop paying companies to build with Atom, and is giving up on that whole market.
P.S. I would love a small form-factor PC running a 64-bit ARM chip with completely passive cooling and running Linux. I'd buy that. I might even buy it if it was called a "ChromeBox" and came with Chrome OS pre-installed, but it would be an easier sell if I could get drivers for plain Linux for all the hardware.
x86 looks pretty safe on the desktop for now, but give it a few years and we'll see if that's still true.
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After owning a Surface Pro 3 for a few months, and subsequently selling it, I often wonder how people can stand using Windows as a tablet.
I mean, Windows doesn't have very good tablet integration still, even with Windows 10... ever try to close those tiny close buttons for your non-metro programs?
Secondly, battery life is complete shit.. 3 hours or less I got out of my Surface.
Thirdly, you still have to run anti-virus, and all that other crap just like a desktop or laptop computer.
And lastly, you pretty much still need a keyboard with Windows.. which makes you think, why didn't I just buy a laptop instead?
If you want or need a tablet for the portability, you're still better off with an iPad or Android tablet.
x86 requires more power than ARM which requires bigger batteries and produces more heat.
It's a fundamentally different architecture. ARM will never be able to compete with x86 in terms of computing power and x86 can't compete with ARM in terms of efficiency and low power.
You can never do more for the same cost of doing less.
Intel is making a good decision to just focus on what they're good at. If they want to compete in the mobile market they need to try to come up with a better ARM chip.
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Atom didn't have the power of a desktop CPU and didn't have low enough power consumption to unseat ARM. Atom also had an awkward position in SOHO NAS devices. My Atom based Synology can't transcode 1080p video. I'm sure Synology picked Atom for price/power consumption reasons - but in a box with 5 spinning discs, does power consumption really matter all that much?
I'm hoping that with the death of Atom, SOHO NAS vendors will migrate to more capable CPUs.
Well, they haven't lost them yet. 3 of my neighbors are Intel employees (some at Intel's flagship semiconductor plant) and one of them told me yesterday that they haven't yet decided who all they are going to let go, but the ones they do let go will get a pretty good severance. They set a benchmark goal of 10% of the workforce, and the specifics are still being sorted. Some they've immediately let go (business segments that they're closing completely) and in business segments that they want to downsize, they're notifying teams that their members can voluntarily get laid off or retire early (with full severance.) After that, if they don't get enough volunteers, they're going to do forced layoffs.
Considering that the average iPads sold today is faster than the average laptop (i.e. Intel Core), the answer would appear to be yes.
http://wccftech.com/apple-a9xi...
As usual, people see the name of a specific flavor of an SoC and think that the entire line is being spoken about.
An SoC has a number of process cores of a given types and then a bunch of other units that are specific to the application. A different application may call for a different set of units which will have a different product name.
The older example of this when people mention the sale of StrongARM as if that were the entirety of ARM development, when in reality is was just a specific ARM-based part that today no one talks about. There are plenty of other ARM products being sold.
Today we have word-salad about some x86 SOC parts being discontinued/not discontinued. Cherry Trail is being discontinued... because it is old and crappy and its replacement is now ready. The replacement is "Pentium and Celeron chips code-named Apollo Lake"... except the "Pentium and Celeron" cores are actually Atom-based. Pentium and Celeron are currently just brand names that carry no technical detail about the core they are applied to.
Bay Trail belong to the desktop line of Atom chips, that's right Atom tablets don't use a specific "tablet" version of Atom.
The reporting is weak, as is now usual.
What's really killed of is Atom for smartphones. Say good bye to Atom x3/x5 too at least. In other terms, everything that targeted Android is cancelled, what you won't be able to have is an Android x86 tablet, for which there is no market anyway. New 14nm desktop/laptop Atom will be launched in H2 2016 and tablets will simply have to use that.
In fact, with Android x86 hardware you might have found yourself stuck, only able to run Android variants. I'd say nvidia Tegra makes more sense, as it is rather PC-like.. even though it's using ARM. It wouldn't fit your use case, what it may do instead is to run real linux.
Tegra is not viable in tablets either, but it does not matter : it's now hardware for car dash, plane cockpit etc. that happens to be thrown together in a tablet as a showcase piece and niche product. x86 tablets may live on as low end netbook/laptop hardware in a tablet, and most ARM tablets are kind of smartphone hardware in a tablet.
Nope, a tablet like yours will use Apollo Lake.
What is dead in the water is chips for Android Atom tabets, which nobody asked for.
It's entirely possible to restructure without laying off. Restructuring and laying off would be orthogonal things is management was competent.
No, Intel is a pretty big company that is having to deal with a pretty big industry shift. No matter how you slice it, the reduced desktop sales IS a problem that Intel can't fix with the marketing BS it used to pull years back (and believe me, they tried that already.) When you're in Intel's position, you can't just hold on to your existing expenses and expect things to work out. This isn't a management problem, rather it's a changing business landscape that they need to adapt to. The people who lose their jobs over this are dealing with frictional unemployment, which invariably happens at some point.
It's not all bad though, and this is actually a good time to get laid off because the economy is still in a growth period. I myself just got laid off from a really big tech company (who happens to be an Intel partner, by the way) only two months ago, and I just got hired by another company (in the health care industry, but still doing tech work) for almost twice what I was getting paid before. With the severances that Intel is giving their employees, they shouldn't have any difficulty sustaining themselves while they find new work.
But Intel was SO CLOSE to making a chip that was going to take over the mobile device market, tablets and phones, and even watches.
These chips were scheduled to be released early next year.
Unfortunately, these chips were scheduled "to be released early next year" every year since the iPhone shipped.
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you can't just hold on to your existing expenses and expect things to work out. This isn't a management problem
You seem to have missed GPPs entire point about "hiring like crazy". I've seen this too many times in my career, when companies refuse to admit times are bad and hire like crazy right up to the mass layoffs. Instead, let the workforce fall naturally through normal turnover and hire only in areas you want to focus on after the reorg, and encourage people in areas you need to reduce to transfer if they can.
But that would require thinking forward, having a plan, caring about your people, and so on: things management seems immune to in most companies.
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Not surprised really, Atom seems a bit redundant between Core M and Core i3. Interesting to see which one pfSense goes with.
Since pfSense is software (as well as M0n0wall, SmallWall and t1n1wall) that can run on an x86 CPU, they will "go with" whoever makes a sold and cheap fanless Mini-ITX board. This market used the be the Via Technologies, and seamlessly moved to Atom, and it will seamlessly move again.
Hiring H1B's firing Americans, I'm sure.
If they just sold Atoms using the current process size, instead of giving them sloppy seconds, they would have really had something incredible.
From what I recall of the Atom it wasn't good for anything. It wasn't low power enough for embedded applications, and not powerful enough for other applications. All, they were used for was cheap netbook type things.