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Ellen Pao Launches Advocacy Group To Improve Diversity In The Tech Industry (theverge.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Ellen Pao, a former Silicon Valley venture capitalist, today announced the launch of Project Include, an advocacy group aimed at improving diversity in the technology industry. The group was started by Pao and fellow female engineers and executives, including members of Slack, Pinterest, and other Bay Area VC firms. The initiative will focus on providing startups and established tech companies with information on making hiring more inclusive, improving retention, and examining bias in the workplace. Pao became embroiled in one of the most divisive debates in tech last year after suing her former employer, VC firm Kleiner Perkins Caufield and Byers, for gender discrimination. She lost at trial and, later, stepped down from her position as interim CEO of Reddit following a severe harassment campaign. Project Include is also accepting as many as 18 startups, who can apply to receive recommendations through a program called Start-Up Include.
If you disagree then you're part of the patriarchy.
This woman is having the longest period ever.
Start an advocacy group to harass people who can.
Never hire Ellen Pao.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
If she's backing more U.S. citizens being employed instead of more overseas workers brought in on H1-B's, then I'm all for it, otherwise I couldn't care less.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
The article is a bit light in detail as to what Pao's trying to accomplish, but from her history, I'm assuming it's about gender
But maybe we should focus on diversity of skills and experience rather than diversity of physical characteristics?
She lost at trial and, later, stepped down from her position as interim CEO of Reddit following a severe harassment campaign
Please. Here's an outline of the shitshow that Pao and the rest of the Reddit regime (which is still largely intact) caused, leading to her ouster:
https://news.slashdot.org/comm...
Mod up and pass the popcorn. I came for tech news and stayed for reality tv.
preferential prejudiced different treatment of individuals based on sex or racist is sexist and racist.
pao pao my yellow kootchie
Just getting tired about all this diversity stuff and not enough with just simply having the best workers. If they want diversity why does this seem to be limited to the Technology area and not to other areas like medicine? For examples most nurses are women, you don't hear them saying they need more men in nursing?
If you are a start up, the news that a major member of your team is going to have a baby is NOT good news... So...
Repeating the same bullshit multiple times does not make it true.
need african-american homosexual linux nerds. They have an association you can contact
You are still a problem if you are a critical part of a team...
I hate it when the handlers don't warn the bystanders before they throw in the raw meat.
Yes, we must end the scourge of things being designed by well educated engineers, and add the diversity of blond bimbo strippers, people who "identify" with the gender that they were not born into, people who choose to waste their public education and remain illiterate (although some of those are still waiting for the Basketball or rap "music" opportunity that society owes them), and people who bring different insight through dubious chemical means that Obama chooses to look the other way on. Of course, we will still let the engineers do the actual work, but we must add the other diversity to the design teams.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Yeah, just for some background. Ellen Pao was no-one. She wasn't a long term user of the site. They tried to make it look like that, but it was a transparent attempt. She was one of these Ivy League fucking for-no-other-reason climbers. They tried to give her a back story as a long term "one of us" people. That only made it worse. And when there was the inevitable pushback against her inevitable claims of sexism, there was an inevitable escalation of those claims. That's all you need to know, other than that she was defeated soundly in law about similar claims regarding her dismissal from a previous job...
But she lacks both the warmth and depth they have...
workout I might think she has a point.
Fuck anyone with a penis! if you disagree then you're part of the patriarchy
Use apps! only apps can apps apps, NOT LUDDITE feminists! Apps!
I think i finally understand this woman is have the longest period ever
When you can't do real work... start an advocacy group to harass people who can
hire more gay linux nerds who like hard cocks in their rectums
Can you not fathom how there just might be some discrimination happening in the tech world?
1) No more so than anywhere else
2) Other people being discriminatory does not automatically mean that your beliefs and suggested courses of action are correct
3) Nobody really gives a damn anyway because we're adult enough to deal with a few trolls.
If such is possible in Silicon Valley (i.e. complaints about lack of diversity in many SV companies if not counting janitorial staff). I haven't RTFA but appears this group will go nowhere with the techies based on the comments here.
mfwright@batnet.com
Why tell other people what to think when you can just do what you think everyone else should do, then if it brings you success people will emulate what you have done when you led by example. Share holders see advocates as a risk vector, where as experts with a proven track record are seen for their potential to grow profits and their advice is sought-after.
of all this talk about diversity. If IT was meant to be diverse by nature, it would have organically happened. I can name the blacks and women I know in IT on one hand. I don't see a problem with this and nor should anyone else. IT has always been the domain of Asians, Caucasians, and some Spanish-heritage peoples. Women, historically never really saw IT as a meaningful career. Now, everyone is trying to democratize IT and this really sucks. I miss the "priesthood of the computer" when IT guys really were set apart. When we had our own dark data centers no one ventured into. When wanting something done on the mainframes and /or servers meant submitting a work order. I do not apologize for my age, my outlook on IT, or any of my other opinions. As a country, we are trying to de-genderize everything. It was better when women were mothers, nurses, secretaries, stewardesses. Now? I cannot speak freely, even in jest, lest I offend a woman, homosexual, man who thinks he's a woman, women who thinks she's a man. I miss the old days. They really were better, even if the technology itself wasn't.
Fuck anyone with a penis! if you disagree then you're part of the patriarchy
Use apps! only apps can apps apps, NOT LUDDITE feminists! Apps!
I think i finally understand this woman is have the longest period ever
When you can't do real work... start an advocacy group to harass people who can
hire more gay linux nerds who like hard cocks in their rectums
Can you not fathom how there just might be some discrimination happening in the tech world?
Oh I can. I see strong discrimination in favor of employing and promoting 'diversity' candidates. That means STFs (Senior Technical Female), black, native American and disabled. It's not my imagination. It's written down corporate policy. As a hiring manager I would get dinged for not discriminating in this way.
But I actually know someone exactly like that. Late 50s, has worked in every facet of QA, administration, and even mid-range scripting (never really got into dev work, but could do basically every other role you'd need to round out your team.)
She got laid off around the '08 downturn and hasn't been able to get a hire since, despite having 20 years of techwork under her belt and staying up to date on the OSes, software, etc for which she'd be responsible.
Maybe the real issue isn't all the old people being 'weeded out'. Maybe the real issue is the lack of old people leadership willing to invest in their fellows to create the 'next big thing' and show the whippersnappers why wisdom and experience trumps 'hype it and they will invest.' :)
(System Administrators)
Would be why people aren't still boycotting Disney(and specifically its Lucas subsidiaries) over the shitshow they pulled on the Lucasarts staff, many of which were gay, transgender, etc and rather diverse but who all magically got laid off just before the Lucas-Disney buyout went through (possibly because Disney doesn't want homos and trannies damaging its image as a wholesome christian company for the whole family?)
Seems like everybody overlooks the dark shadows in their own backyard if they are zealot enough.
Over on Reddit they started calling her "Chairman Pao" for the censorious regime Ms Pao imposed. She also 'purged' pro-Free Speech moderators. We gotta fight such people, the authoritarians "doing it for our own good" or because it "hurts someones feelings".
Free Speech is the whole ballgame. Lose that and no-one gets to "talk Truth to Power".
Someone notify Websters
What would help diversity (among other things) is not extorting a multimillion dollar settlement out of your employer by filing a lawsuit about things you've made up.
What about LUDDITE mras? Are they appers apping apps?
You mean like learning how to tolerate outsized egos and intrusive innuendos so the Pao's of the world don't quit?
No matter where you are, you learn to fit in or you become a crybaby and leave.
women/minorities should just drop into this career late in life.
The women and ethnic members I know in tech got in it for the same reasons as the whites and men: Because somebody put them in front of a computer when they were little and OFF THEY WENT.
The best techies, and especially programmers got into this because they have some sort of a passion, whether it is in learning about new tech, breaking shit (in the software sense), learning how something works internally (programmers/engineers/hackers/crackers) and either exploiting it, or building upon it.
But all this modern diversity in the workplace crap is just getting people who see the once impressive salaries and 'want in on that', or see 'hackers' misrepresented on the TV/Movie screen as some sort of one size fits all superhero who can do anything if only they get a keyboard. Both of these types of people are working *AGAINST* the industry and as can be seen in quite a bit of software development in the past decade or two has helped result in even MORE less qualified individuals creating crap which has to be supported industry-wide. And that is taking into account all of the muck that had existed in the first 40ish years of modern computer design and theory (which I will add had plenty of both women and minorities involved in its development, both 'at home' (USA) and abroad.)
Cost money, slow down releases, and burn time on "outreach" to less skilled people who don't know how to communicate with those in power or who led the way in the technology. Been there, done that, watched the startups fold as the "diverse" crowd they hired didn't actually know how to finish their projects..
Pao is still operating under the delusion that she's no longer a VC due to sexism. Anyone who closely followed her bias case against Kleiner Perkins knows the exact opposite is true; she was given extraordinary opportunities there, much more than the average partner-in-training. Yet she still couldn't get out of her own way on the path to success paved for her by John Doerr. Diversity was not her foe; it was entitlement, jealously, laziness, and incompetence.
Thanks for calling everyone who disagrees with you an idiot, you tolerant piece of shit.
While there's problems everywhere, since the biggest issue is long before any tech company can get (directly) involved (how parents raise kids, school, TV, etc), there's starting to be statistics showing that women right of college are starting to make quite a bit more than men (because of all the big tech companies under fire desperately trying to hire them).
So unless you're critically incompetent, right now if you come out of CS and you're a girl, you're basically an instant-hire and you can negotiate your salary to oblivion.
Welp, since my wife is a pretty successful software engineer, I indirectly benefit...but...
There are plenty of under- and unemployed trans women who have very good skills.
What are you doing for them? Dick all, that's what. You the and fucking SJWs almost caused somebody close to me to have another anxiety attack that would have landed her in the emergency room recently.
No, sorry, you rich bitch. Rich bitches like you are why I'm voting for Trump. Wanted to vote for Sanders, say true, (and did in the primary! say sorry it wasn't enough) but unlike you SJW feminist bitches, Trump makes good on his views that trans people are people too. Trump wants to have the best talent in America. Sometimes the best talent comes in the form of somebody struggling to pay for bottom surgery and eager to earn it fair and square.
At least Lyin' Ted is done for now. Maybe you Apache attack copters out there will come around and see how you're just starving yourself by your fucking failure to understand anything and your fucking immunity to reality and facts. Maybe you'll double down on your doubling down of stupid! It still floors me that you read my comments about being turned away from the men's room because my woman suit is just that good and all you can read is that I'm trying to get into the women's room to swing my dick around! Sorry you pieces of shit. I like swinging my dick around in the men's room and creeping you the fuck out because you thought I was cisfemale but you were fucking lol wrong!
Rich bitches like you, Ms. Pao, are happy to replace talented trans AND cis women with *gasp* wait for it... wait for it... wait for it... cisgendered heterosexual males! (I hope I triggered somebody there.) Well, the important part is that they're half our age and will to work for half our pay, and you get roughly 1/16th the talent! Just so you can continue to bitch about your own fucking manufactured problem of a lack of cisfemale hunnies in tech.
What about gaslighting asshole managers, Ms. Pao? Why aren't you doing a single fucking thing about them. They fucking shitcan trans women for "not meeting expectations" just because they ask for what they can get in Trump Tower: just being able to use the fucking bathroom. They fucking sexually harass cisgendered women (note: I did not say cisfemale hunnies there--there's a difference, even if I'm the only one who understands it, but when you've taken the next red pill after taking the red pill and seeing the real system of control for what it is, you might admit I haven't entirely lost it, just lost the ability to make pithy posts) out of tech.
What the fuck are you going to do about gaslighting sexually harassing transphobic asshole managers, Ms. Pao?!
Dipshit.
Did you see the "Personal Life" section in the wikipedia article. Her husband, besides being a terrible businessman and suing people over racial allegations, used to be married to a guy, for 10 years.
I don't know what, as a society, we've done wrong to make this kind of couple possible.
lucm, indeed.
Here's a tweet from their talented "Lead Growth", who's also founder of "Women in Product":
Day three of using a Windows machine: was totally mentally exhausted last night, dreaded work this morning. Struggling to do small things.
https://twitter.com/merci/stat...
How fucking entitled can someone get?
When I see people like that, I seriously wonder if I should consider another career than IT. Those idiots just ruin the entire industry.
lucm, indeed.
The real question is whether she can make a good sammich and, for bonus points, whether she can carry a beer at the same time she's bringing you the sammich from the kitchen. That is the measure of a woman.
Likely because that is exactly what we would want of Disney to require of any company that they are about to acquire and then turn to crap. Although you may make it seem that way at times, most of the world isn't perverts.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
yet another affirmative action extortion racket--her gay black diversity litigant scam artist husband Buddy Fletcher is rarely mentioned, btw. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Fletcher)
Against who, though? I'm getting old now, and for my entire life women around me have been given extra opportunities. Free tutoring in college, extra consideration for jobs, easier paths to promotion. It takes a lot of gall to complain about discrimination when you'd still be working in the proverbial mail room without it.
I wonder if they're "falling" for it so much as they'd be harassed to death if they dared to let someone publish something else?
Erica Joy Baker
bethanye McKinney Blount
Tracy Chou
Laura I. Gómez
Y-Vonne Hutchinson
Freada Kapor Klein
Ellen Pao
Susan Wu
Inclusive indeed
There are many nations for a reason. Don't listen to "diversity" arguments. If you want to experiment with "diversity" then do it in one house as a beta test. One of each race and one of each culture etc. eg. 1 Amish 1 Buddhist 1 Sikh 1 Jehova's Witness 1 Japanese 1 Black 1 Lesbian etc. Mix the genders too.
If that fucks up, don't do it to the world.
The problem with this scenario is that the idea itself is actually fine. If you have access to a roster of competent workers from both genders, and all nationalities, you already won.
Unfortunately, this project has nothing to do with diversity. At the end of the day, the true extent of the word "diversity" lies on HER definition and understanding of it.
H1B problems do not matter. Ageism do not matter. Actual diversity doesn't matter. All this advocacy group actually advocates is her "saviour" status. All glory to Ellen Pao, for she has "solved" the "diversity" "problem". Hooray! Hooray! Hooray!
i actually do fear that talking about real diversity gets harder after each of these person-cult's have had a field day over the topic.
there just might be some discrimination happening in the tech world?
Of course there is! How else would Ellen Pao ever have gotten a job with a tech company?
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
What's sad is that the knee jerk sexist responses here only prove Pao's point.
Go fuck yourself, snowflake. We're talking about Pao, not women in general.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
if you are looking to recruit people based on their skin color, sex, age, etc. then what you are actually doing is discriminating against the majority. racism/sexism/ageism/etc. are not magically acceptable because you have good intentions. instead of forcing diversity people should be looking to reduce selection bias for everything except their merits.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
Give me a blowjob, make me sandwich, then leave me alone to watch TV (or play a video game). Luckily, my wife understands these things. Men are simple creatures.
Whether you believe this type of advocacy is needed or not, this piece of shit can only harm the cause.
Someone forgot to tell whipslash that SJW days are Fridays. Save this shit till then. I have scheduled my week around avoiding slashdot on Fridays. It gets it out of everyone's system. Ratzo and Ami get to say their piece and keeps the rest of the week calm. It does pull all of the commentators to the one or two articles so its pointless to peruse the other stories.
This though... this is two SJW stories in two days, netiher of which happens to be the right day for it. Shame.
So, if she wants more diversity in the tech world, is she going to address the disproportionate number of south Asians anf they're (on record) discriminatory hiring tactics of rejecting white/nonasian applicants outright?
I'm glad to see she'll be doing something where she can't effect or harm other people. Hopefully it'll be a few decades before she realizes that everybody is ignoring her.
Do you have ESP?
The shit Ellen Pao has done in the past has done so much harm to the image of women in tech leadership roles than this bullshit campaign can ever fix.
Just because you find her unsympathetic and her case was lost, doesn't mean she's wrong or did bad things (you call it "shit").
Or do you have proof? Citations/links please.
Thanks.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
You'd think by now I'd have learned to just scroll past these stories. Nothing good comes of the comments section in them.
You couldn't tell from the headline?
That is all.
Where I am adding diversity would mean giving visible minority jobs to western Europeans.
But, "an 'attack' on one woman is an attack on all women." There. That precept nicely excuses ALL kinds of odious, reprehensible behavior. That type of excuse and reasoning is the cause of so many social troubles at this time in history.
I'm getting real real tired of the moderate viewpoint being the largest, but also the quietest and least likely to act.
Wasn't Ellen Pao confirmed to be a liar and scammer in court?
A woman with very questionable business ethics and morals?
But yeah, we'll ignore all the bad about her because she said something that sounds good to feminists and others.
Political Correctness is the new preacher box that absolves of all prior sins.
While Feminism is the new church fighting the good conservative fight against sexual liberation and sexual deviancy, as well as judging and publicly shaming people because of the clothes they wear like the Rosetta scientist even though it's not their place to judge.
Nice.
Since that reddit mess, I've seen a number of people in discussion admitting they were swept up in the mob mentality, and they were contributing to the hate without really bothering to do their own research into what was really going on. A number of these people have apologized, and from time to time Ellen has responded to these apologies with understanding.
Ah, yes, racism at a fundamental level. have to love it!
...He's talking about Pao as well. Do you really have to jump straight into aggressive responses? If you're position is correct, shouldn't logical discourse be sufficient? I mean, I understand that this is a passionate issue; and you have every right to be mad, but "Go fuck yourself, snowflake" only helps to shut down the ability for the various sides of an issue to come to understand each other.
Because modding is so broken here these days, you don't even get to see the actual breakdown unless you view this thing at -1,-1.
Do you really have to jump straight into aggressive responses?
Have to? No. I do so because I choose to, and your approval is neither required nor is it sought.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Many people reply to comments in order to change peoples minds; to cause either the parent, or readers of the thread to reconsider things. If you're gonna word things in such a way that both sides just dismiss you, it doesn't sound nearly as satisfying to me. But you do you.
If you're the kind of person who likes to just swear at random people
Not random people, snowflake. Only the ones who irritate me.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
You get irritated by random people on the Internet? LOL, your life must really suck. I'm sorry, dude. I hope you manage to get over that someday.
It's interesting that this group of female engineers and managers didn't form a company to produce an actual tech. product.
"Diversity" = "more Liberals"
The first thing that has to be recognized by someone attempting facilitate gender/sex diversity in the tech industry is to recognize that tech is not a "male" industry... it's an "outcast" industry. Everyone assumes that males are specifically targeted and tracked into computer-related academic/research/career paths. That's not the case. By and large, it's social outcasts who take up computers as a hobby are tracked into computer-related academic/research/career paths and those social outcasts are more commonly male.
If people REALLY want to foster a better, more inclusive environment for all people in the computer industry:
1. Parents need to stop enforcing traditional femininity norms on their daughters so that their daughters are willing to go into technology-related fields of study and careers. This change is already happening, but it's not a generation-wide ideal, so expect the swell of girls being SOCIALLY supported in the field to come 30 years from now.
2. Adults need to ensure that those whose choose computers/tech as a hobby (and are thus more likely to choose tech as a career) get the social acclimation they're likely being deprived in other parts of life. I'm speaking mainly of males here. Again, young boys don't become reclusive computer nerds because they see a rewarding career in system administration. They fall into it because it helps them escape from the tortures that come with being social pariahs. If you repair the damage of their exclusion early, you can almost guarantee a better work environment for women seeking to enter the tech field later in life.
But, of course, that's only if you want to make real change happen over time and not just attempt to force new rules and standards without any consideration for the root causes of issues.
Your reading comprehension level indicates that you're an unfortunate victim of government schooling.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."