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Al-Qaeda Calls For the Execution Of Bill Gates and Others To 'Damage the US Economy' (betanews.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Al-Qaeda's official online propaganda magazine, Inspire, contains a montage of violent images -- things like guns and blood -- next to an image of Bill Gates. The terrorist group is urging its followers to murder successful business folks, such as Gates, which is absolutely sickening. The terrorist group says that murdering high ranking people can damage the U.S. economy.

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  1. Because the Quran says by Jawnn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...to murder influential people to advance your socio-economic agenda. Right? What was that passage again?

    1. Re:Because the Quran says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's the one right after the one that identifies itself as the religion of peace.

    2. Re:Because the Quran says by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Al Qaeda was born of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. They drew lessons from that and thought they were applicable to other situations. The leadership of Al Qaeda has many mistaken views.

      The first is that the mujaheddin, the "faithful" who opposed the soviet invasion actually drove the soviets out. In reality the Soviets had them beat until Americans started funneling advanced weapons in which neutralized the Soviets weapons.

      The second is that the expense of fighting the mujaheddin was so costly it resulted in the collapse of the Soviet economy and the unwinding of the entire Soviet state and a withdrawal from "Muslim lands". Of course the reality is that Afghanistan was a side adventure for the Soviets, it was the collapse in oil prices (the only way the Soviets could earn hard currency) in the 80's along with trying to keep up with the American defense spending of the 80's that did the Soviet government in. This double wammy exhausted the currency and gold reserves of the soviet state and resulted in collapse.

      The third is that Americans were not willing to sacrifice blood and would retreat in the face of actual combat.

      The first two misconceptions have driven the entire strategy of Al Qaeda since the start. They truly believed that by drawing America into a war in the middle east that not only would America be beaten handily but that the economy would collapse and America would be forced to abandon the middle east (their goal). After the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq they thought they had triggered the end of the American empire when the crash of 2008 happened.

      The subsequent recovery has put a lie to their predictions so the natural path is to assume something prevented it. Like any good religion they've decided the reason the American economy didn't collapse was because of the wealthy Americans, not because their original assumptions were stupid and wrong. This an organization that wants to bring back slavery and the laws of 700AD Islam and that anything that goes against (capitalism and democracy) that is a perversion that's doomed to failure. The existence and success of America and western states makes this belief a lie. They will continue to come up with "reasons" why their predictions haven't come true and undoubtedly urge the killing of all kinds of people in an effort to make it happen.

      They simply don't understand America or the West and what makes us collectively strong.

    3. Re:Because the Quran says by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know you're joking, but after seeing a few tattoos of teachings of Leviticus i can assure you that many of the most devout followers of any religious book really don't understand it. The Bible/Torah/Qu'ran can at times be seen as a Rorschach test, where you really see what's in the mind of the viewer rather than the book itself.

  2. Why are we giving these fucksticks attention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They've been spewing this bullshit for decades. This isn't news. Let's not give these fuckers the attention they desire. I guarantee that the terrorists are burning in Hell, where they belong. Fuck Al-Qaeda and fuck ISIL.

  3. Well... by mlwmohawk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Obviously I wish no ill will on anyone, but let's be honest, there are a number of "successful" people who's loss would improve the economy.

  4. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by halivar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You eventually reach 0%? Or, maybe you can pick someone you like, and we'll stop culling right before it hits them? That's how people always expect these things to work. Robespierre learned the hard way that it does not.

    That's why talking about killing the rich and powerful is absolutely retarded. You'd be the second guy up against the wall.

  5. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Al-Qaeda's the Jeb Bush of terrorist orgs. Once respected, they coasted for too long, grew fat and lazy and lost their edge.

    Like Jeb Bush, Al-Qaeda has an excellent donor network to fund future activities.

  6. Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Al-Qaeda killed thousands on 9/11 and is calling for more attacks. ISIL is also carrying out tremendous amounts of violence in the Middle East. Yet anyone who points out that Islam is inherently violent is called a bigot.

    However, Christians who refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding are put out of business and have threats made against their lives. Somehow society thinks it's okay to threaten Christians and claim that Christianity isn't a religion of peace.

    Why is there a double standard?

    Islam is inherently violent. Christianity is inherently peaceful. Christianity says to love your enemy. Islam says to kill Jews and Christians.

    But anyone who points out these facts is labeled a bigot.

    1. Re:Double standard by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Insightful

      soooo, getting children a better education in the language of their country of residence, the US of A, is somehow comparable to ISIL and AL-Qaeda's slaughters and rapes and maimings? boohoo, the native american alaskana can no longer practice bits of their culture like euthanizing the middle aged?

      go back to tumblr, you SJW whiner

    2. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are many places in both Koran and Hadith that orders Muslims to kill non Muslims (or Muslims with the same interpretation):

      Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

      Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

      A local imam has preached that Muslim people should profit as much as possible from our social security system (unemployment money) because that would make them a 'good' Muslim who has forced the non Muslims to pay this Jizya... That local imam also weekly preachers against the Jews and the US and is brainwashing his followers that IS is nothing but the CIA. This is very frustrating here whenever you find yourself in a situation with a Muslim discussing 'the truth'.

      Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

      This verse is the reason why some (but still too many) imams say that Jews have to be killed first and then the Christians.

      Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."

      This is the reason why some (but still too many) imams in Western Europe ask to riot in the street, burn cars, destroy windows.

      Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."

      Hypocrites here are other Muslims. The 'Muslims' who are not 'real Muslims'. The problem is that every Muslims can claim to be a mullah and preaches the 'right Islam', just like in for example Protestantism.

      The problem with Islam is that Western people look at Islam like they look at Christianity, as just a religion. But you have to look at Islam like Christianity during inquisition, before enlightenment, as a totalitarian system. There is no difference between Islam and Islamism. Islam is Islam, and it only depends on the individual, or rather the group of Muslims how far they go in following their laws. IS are still "puritan" Muslims, doing everything within the Islamic laws.

      By the way the Muslim Brotherhood are trying to create an Islamic state by using democracy. Once they are in power, they replace the democracy with Sharia law and create a caliphate. The Muslim Brotherhood are the 'peaceful' (but you could ask the Egyptian Copts how peaceful they really are) alternative of IS. In fact, the Muslim Brotherhood is the Muslim alternative for Hitlers Nazi party and has never been dismantled since the fall of the "third reich". Unfortunately they recently got the support of Obama, which was and is a big mistake. Hopefully the next president will correct this error and label them as what they are: a Nazi like, terrorist organization. Our government has currently 13 seats out of 150 (8.6 %) for Muslim Brotherhood people. Quite an achievement if you know that only 4% of the people are Muslims and most of them don't vote.

      But indeed, criticizing anything that has to do with Islam is bigotry. Since 2008 it has even been implemented by the UN that criticizing Islam (or other religions) is racist and individual countries should limit free speech in that regard (thanks Obama).

    3. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The inquisition was primarily carried out by secular powers. The point of the inquisition as far as the Church was concerned was that the rights of those charged with heresy were protected. Else it was very easy for a neighbor who wanted your land or your wife to accuse you of heresy. So the Church required an actual tribunal, which required actual proof before you could be convicted. Even if found guilty on a small number were ever actually executed. Even Galileo, who was an ass and prosecuted more for pissing off those in power than because he was a scientist (Copernicus, who was a monk was never prosecuted or suppressed for saying just about the same thing) was given the horrible punishment of house arrest in a palace. Woe is him.
      The Crusades were a response to Muslim aggression. In 410 A.D. the whole of the Mediterranean basin was Christian. By 510 a good part was Muslim, and they didn't convert willingly, but at the point of a sword.
      The Ku Klux Klan was actively opposed by the Catholic Church and other Christians.
      The Nazi's were pagans, attempting to restore the worship of the Germanic pantheon, as well as being occultist. They certainly weren't Christian.

  7. If they were serious about destroying capitalism by FilmedInNoir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Instead of blowing up buildings and killing people (which for some sick reason boosts the economy) they would all get jobs as investment bankers and mortgage brokers.

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  8. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by stikves · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nope, this has come before, and raising inflation does nothing to the richest top %0.1. In fact, it will make them richer.

    It is a long discussion, but go read "Capital in the 21st Century". For a short idea, think about the ways they "park" their assets. Do you think prices of real estate will not appreciate with inflation?

    Inflation is mostly harmful for the middle class which cannot invest in efficient assets, but has enough money to lose value.

  9. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They come from a "low trust society." Put simply, by default, they do not trust each other. While the US is a high trust society, and by default we do trust each other. This makes things like disaster recovery and business continuity much easier as the people in power do not see it as a threat to their power. In much of the mid-east, it is seen as a threat and is imposable. That is why this tactic would work very well over there. But over hear all it would do is spread around capital, and pass leadership to new and potentially more vibrant leaders willing to take more risks. In short, it may actually stimulate the economy, and piss off the public at large. Talk about unintended consequences!

  10. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by halivar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After 10 years, they went straight back to monarchism under Napoleon, after all the revolutionary Jacobins were dead. Whether that was a good thing or bad thing is left as an exercise to the reader. Code Napoleon was great; losing a generation of men to war was not.

  11. Re:Remind me why... by overshoot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can anyone remind me why it's bigoted to point out that most of the terrorism in the world is Islamic?

    Because if it's not being done by Muslims, we call it something else.

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  12. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The CPI isn't BS at all. I'm certainly old enough to have seen how prices have varied over the years, and they've barely changed in a couple of decades, in fact many things are quite a bit cheaper. Cars aren't really any more expensive than they were 20 years ago (you get a lot more car now for $20k than you did back then), gasoline is only a bit more expensive, food is a little more, computers are far, far less, music is cheaper, video games are about the same. Most various knick-knacks are cheaper since they're all made in China now. And it's possible to get a lot of stuff much cheaper than before because of the internet, Ebay, Amazon, etc.

    What's really changed is housing costs. They've gone through the roof. So that changes the budget for everything else. The other thing that's changed a lot is healthcare costs (and associated insurance premiums, which are related; ACA helped hold them down a bit, but it did nothing to control the actual cost of care so it keeps rocketing up). These (AFAIK) are not tracked by the CPI because they're not "consumer items", even though most everyone has to pay for them.

  13. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most of this stuff is due to pure ignorance of how America works. Their minds are focused on the idea of a centralized source of power. A supreme leader or a king.
    The U.S. in general has power distributed where someone can be valuable however not indispensable. In theory you can kill the CEO's of the fortune 500 and still the U.S. Economy will still run. Their wealth will be transferred to next of kin, their investments will still be moving most companies can keep up to day to day operations for an while before they can replace the loss in leadership.

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  14. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I wish no harm upon Bill Gates - in spite of being vehemently anti-Microsoft myself - I don't see what Al-Qaeda could expect to accomplish by killing him. He stepped down how many years ago from the top of Microsoft? This seems about as logical as watching too many reruns of ER and then deciding to kill George Clooney to harm our health care system.

    The Gates Foundation funds education, including education for girls.

    An educated populous is the greatest threat to a theocracy.

    This is what naming Gates is all about.

  15. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They did more damage to the US economy by using airplanes to take down the Twin Towers, than the damage done to the Twin Towers. This just proves it was an accident they were successful.

    If they wanted to collapse the US economy, they should bomb 5 airports with bombs inside luggage that goes off in the scanner line. All 5 within 1 minute of each other spread around. Then, two weeks later, set off 5 more in the ticketing lines. Then, presuming the response is greater curb-side inspections, wait another few weeks and set off car bombs.

    Attacking the security perimeter shows that the idea of a perimeter is the failure, and nobody will ever feel safe again. Random acts of terrorism that attacks the common person will do more. Hijack a pizza delivery guy and deliver a bomb instead. Nobody will order delivery food again, if they fear getting a bomb instead. The terror will cripple the US economy.

  16. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Dr_Terminus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The funny thing is that this is almost a reflection of the West's understanding of how Al Qaeda works. How long did we focus on going after Bin Laden or any of the other top guys, as if taking out those guys is sufficient to wipe out an entire ideology. Likely the mis-targeted drone strikes and other operations undertaken to eliminate these figureheads only served to bring more to the extremist ideology.

  17. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The international jihadi movement was fragmented in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, but it started to coalesce around two groups in the 90s: al-Qaeda and the Taliban. (Hamas and Hezbollah are mostly specific to a Israel/Palestine and Lebanon, respectively, with a little bit of overlap to neighboring states.) Since then, the movement has been fragmenting again: Boko Haram arose in Nigeria, ISIS in Iraq (out of what was once al-Qaeda in Iraq), and the Taliban have split at least once and maybe twice. Al-Qaeda has tried to reinvent itself, with reports of strategic changes limiting acts against civilians (particularly Muslims) and an attempt to portray themselves as somewhat more gentle than they were, especially in the face of the savagery that ISIS has taken up.

    But with all of the attention to al-Qaeda over the years, the leadership really has dwindled, and their ability to adequately train operatives to undertake attacks against Western targets has similarly declined. The group has also proved to be far less adept at social media than is ISIS, limiting their recruiting capability for both front line forces and leadership. Most of their recruits come from areas that don't have strong connections to the outside world, limiting recruitment to more personal means. ISIS is also widely seen as the more effective group, since it's taken territory across large swaths of Iraq and Syria (though word of their losses has not been widely reported in the media and the group isn't keen to play them up), while al-Qaeda's holdings are mostly limited to small parts of Syria, Somalia, and Yemen.

    I would not be at all surprised to see that al-Qaeda ultimately outlives ISIS. The former has more experience surviving losses than the latter, which has changed names about a dozen times since forming in the late 1990s as it keeps reinventing itself.

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