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Al-Qaeda Calls For the Execution Of Bill Gates and Others To 'Damage the US Economy' (betanews.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Al-Qaeda's official online propaganda magazine, Inspire, contains a montage of violent images -- things like guns and blood -- next to an image of Bill Gates. The terrorist group is urging its followers to murder successful business folks, such as Gates, which is absolutely sickening. The terrorist group says that murdering high ranking people can damage the U.S. economy.

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  1. Wow, they really are stuck in the past by damn_registrars · · Score: 5, Funny

    While I wish no harm upon Bill Gates - in spite of being vehemently anti-Microsoft myself - I don't see what Al-Qaeda could expect to accomplish by killing him. He stepped down how many years ago from the top of Microsoft? This seems about as logical as watching too many reruns of ER and then deciding to kill George Clooney to harm our health care system.

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    1. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Al-Qaeda's the Jeb Bush of terrorist orgs. Once respected, they coasted for too long, grew fat and lazy and lost their edge. Now they're trying the tough-guy hat on again to look relevant, and it just looks weird and sad.

    2. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by halivar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You eventually reach 0%? Or, maybe you can pick someone you like, and we'll stop culling right before it hits them? That's how people always expect these things to work. Robespierre learned the hard way that it does not.

      That's why talking about killing the rich and powerful is absolutely retarded. You'd be the second guy up against the wall.

    3. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      what happens if you kill the .01% and keep culling until it doesn't exist anymore?

      You're left with just the people who don't understand percentages.

    4. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Al-Qaeda's the Jeb Bush of terrorist orgs. Once respected, they coasted for too long, grew fat and lazy and lost their edge.

      Like Jeb Bush, Al-Qaeda has an excellent donor network to fund future activities.

    5. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Vlad_the_Inhaler · · Score: 2

      His philanthropy may even be what is irritating them, who knows?

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    6. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I agree. They would be much better off targeting Donald Trump.

      Man, we would be so screwed if they did that. The whole country would probably be in chaos instantly if they went after Donald Trump. I don't know how we would handle such a thing

      I sure hope they don't set their sights on Donald Trump instead.

    7. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by myowntrueself · · Score: 2

      While I wish no harm upon Bill Gates - in spite of being vehemently anti-Microsoft myself - I don't see what Al-Qaeda could expect to accomplish by killing him. He stepped down how many years ago from the top of Microsoft? This seems about as logical as watching too many reruns of ER and then deciding to kill George Clooney to harm our health care system.

      They just don't think laterally enough. Economy depends on infrastructure and governance and some key businesses supported by that infrastructure and governance.

      - How much does Apple help the US economy? What happens to Apple if someone were to kill off their entire security team?
      - There are less than a dozen locations in the USA where you could effectively take out the US Internet.
      - How about making the main deep water harbors unusable?
      - Dress up as cops and shoot a bunch of militia guys in one place, a bunch of black guys in another place and a bunch of hispanic guys in another place. The USA is a powder keg of armed opposing factions. A serious opponent of the USA would take advantage of this. You can bet the Russians and Chinese have plans in place for this. Al Qaida not so much.
      - And if they really wanted to fuck America, they could take out Bernie AND Hillary, leaving Trump the only candidate with any chance of becoming president.

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    8. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by myowntrueself · · Score: 5, Funny

      Al-Qaeda's the Jeb Bush of terrorist orgs. Once respected, they coasted for too long, grew fat and lazy and lost their edge.

      Like Jeb Bush, Al-Qaeda has an excellent donor network to fund future activities.

      And, similarly, they will be spending those donations on hookers and blow.

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    9. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Jawnn · · Score: 2

      His philanthropy may even be what is irritating them, who knows?

      Probably more than a little truth to that. The Gates Foundation gives a lot of money to immunization programs, IIRC, and we all know that preventing polio is just another front for dirty Jews trying sterilize young Mu'min. Right?

    10. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by bobaferret · · Score: 2

      thanks for a thoughtful answer

    11. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by stikves · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nope, this has come before, and raising inflation does nothing to the richest top %0.1. In fact, it will make them richer.

      It is a long discussion, but go read "Capital in the 21st Century". For a short idea, think about the ways they "park" their assets. Do you think prices of real estate will not appreciate with inflation?

      Inflation is mostly harmful for the middle class which cannot invest in efficient assets, but has enough money to lose value.

    12. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They come from a "low trust society." Put simply, by default, they do not trust each other. While the US is a high trust society, and by default we do trust each other. This makes things like disaster recovery and business continuity much easier as the people in power do not see it as a threat to their power. In much of the mid-east, it is seen as a threat and is imposable. That is why this tactic would work very well over there. But over hear all it would do is spread around capital, and pass leadership to new and potentially more vibrant leaders willing to take more risks. In short, it may actually stimulate the economy, and piss off the public at large. Talk about unintended consequences!

    13. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by halivar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      After 10 years, they went straight back to monarchism under Napoleon, after all the revolutionary Jacobins were dead. Whether that was a good thing or bad thing is left as an exercise to the reader. Code Napoleon was great; losing a generation of men to war was not.

    14. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2

      I agree that Al-Qaeda is mistaken. The inheritance taxes following such high-profile deaths would do more to boost the economy than "trickle down" ever did.

      Everybody who could afford a lawyer to draw up a family trust will avoid inheritance taxes. This is not just the very rich.

    15. Re: Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Fortunately for us, they said they were only going to target successful businessmen.

    16. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The CPI isn't BS at all. I'm certainly old enough to have seen how prices have varied over the years, and they've barely changed in a couple of decades, in fact many things are quite a bit cheaper. Cars aren't really any more expensive than they were 20 years ago (you get a lot more car now for $20k than you did back then), gasoline is only a bit more expensive, food is a little more, computers are far, far less, music is cheaper, video games are about the same. Most various knick-knacks are cheaper since they're all made in China now. And it's possible to get a lot of stuff much cheaper than before because of the internet, Ebay, Amazon, etc.

      What's really changed is housing costs. They've gone through the roof. So that changes the budget for everything else. The other thing that's changed a lot is healthcare costs (and associated insurance premiums, which are related; ACA helped hold them down a bit, but it did nothing to control the actual cost of care so it keeps rocketing up). These (AFAIK) are not tracked by the CPI because they're not "consumer items", even though most everyone has to pay for them.

    17. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      By definition, you can't kill the top %0.1 by killing the incumbents, because they're replaced immediately by the next runners-up.

      And even if you ignore my pedantic description of how percentages work, the fact is that killing of today's elites without ending the root causes of income disparity is only going to result in an endless cycle of killing rich people off.

      Only... the new rich people won't be stupid enough to let you kill them they way their predecessors went.

    18. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      I agree - targeting Bill Gates today is pretty useless. Larry Ellison on the other hand might cause a bigger splash.

      Targeting the Windows validation server infrastructure would however cause a bigger impact if all backup keys were destroyed.

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    19. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most of this stuff is due to pure ignorance of how America works. Their minds are focused on the idea of a centralized source of power. A supreme leader or a king.
      The U.S. in general has power distributed where someone can be valuable however not indispensable. In theory you can kill the CEO's of the fortune 500 and still the U.S. Economy will still run. Their wealth will be transferred to next of kin, their investments will still be moving most companies can keep up to day to day operations for an while before they can replace the loss in leadership.

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    20. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by swb · · Score: 2

      I think you're on the right path and I really want to comment but I'm too darned afraid of being dragged out of bed in the middle of the night or put on some kind of a watch list.

    21. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While I wish no harm upon Bill Gates - in spite of being vehemently anti-Microsoft myself - I don't see what Al-Qaeda could expect to accomplish by killing him. He stepped down how many years ago from the top of Microsoft? This seems about as logical as watching too many reruns of ER and then deciding to kill George Clooney to harm our health care system.

      The Gates Foundation funds education, including education for girls.

      An educated populous is the greatest threat to a theocracy.

      This is what naming Gates is all about.

    22. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Like Jeb Bush, Al-Qaeda has an excellent donor network to fund future activities.

      Like Jeb Bush, Al-Queda is a has-been, and donors have moved on, to Trump and ISIS respectively.

    23. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      I went the other way. What's with the "which is absolutely sickening" line? They're talking about murdering people. Murder is a thing. It's murder; it's not special. Brown people in Uganda get murdered. White people get murdered trying to drive through gang neighborhoods at night. Black people get murdered trying to walk through East Texas during the day. What's so special about rich people that we're supposed to feel more or less disturbed that people want to murder them?

    24. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They did more damage to the US economy by using airplanes to take down the Twin Towers, than the damage done to the Twin Towers. This just proves it was an accident they were successful.

      If they wanted to collapse the US economy, they should bomb 5 airports with bombs inside luggage that goes off in the scanner line. All 5 within 1 minute of each other spread around. Then, two weeks later, set off 5 more in the ticketing lines. Then, presuming the response is greater curb-side inspections, wait another few weeks and set off car bombs.

      Attacking the security perimeter shows that the idea of a perimeter is the failure, and nobody will ever feel safe again. Random acts of terrorism that attacks the common person will do more. Hijack a pizza delivery guy and deliver a bomb instead. Nobody will order delivery food again, if they fear getting a bomb instead. The terror will cripple the US economy.

    25. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      The Gates Foundation funds education, including education for girls.

        An educated populous is the greatest threat to a theocracy.

        This is what naming Gates is all about.

      Yeah, but that has nothing to do with harming the US economy. And given how it's run, Gates probably spends very little time managing it, so even if the Gates are murdered, the foundation's work continues on.

      And for the big companies, there already are succession plans.

      To harm the US economy by killing one or two targets is extremely tough. You could try to devastate the ground reference station of GPS, given its use in the economy, but given it's US Air Force and all, well, that's a bit difficult. (GPS is now a cornerstone of much economic activity, so disrupting it would have an effect).

      You could try taking down retail giants like Amazon, but Amazon again is widely distributed and even Bezos probably doesn't spend much time on day to day management, so you'd have to kill Amazon's datacenters.

      Perhaps a more juicy target would be Google, for their reach is immense and taking Google down will break wide swaths of the Internet. But again, Google's infrastructure is pretty distributed as well.

      Tim Cook might be a target - he's openly gay, and leads a very popular company, so he's pretty much the only target that might disrupt things a bit

    26. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by lgw · · Score: 2

      Housing isn't apples-to-apples. When I was a kid, everyone I knew had more people than rooms in their house, or about the same number if they were doing well. Now the expectation is that you have at least as many bedrooms as people who live in a place, plus some common rooms. The housing boom that ended in the mid-2000s bubble was mostly about this transition.

      Health care is even more apples and oranges. Health care would be cheap indeed if all we had was 1950s-style care. It's expensive because we have MRIs and CAT scans and miracle wonder drugs.

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    27. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

      So, really, they're the Microsoft of terrorist organizations!

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    28. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 2

      what happens if you kill the .01% and keep culling until it doesn't exist anymore?

      You're left with just the people who don't understand percentages.

      And people who don't understand Zeno's "Achilles and the Tortoise" paradox.

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    29. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by rbrander · · Score: 2

      And people who don't understand it was tried for several thousand years. No, seriously.

      I can't think of any better descriptions of feudalism than the concentration of what little mobile wealth there was into 0.01%, who then proceed to kill each other over those spoils, ad infinitum. Look how few noble houses really made it more than 3 or 4 generations. Skim down the "92 hereditary members" of the British House of Lords and note how few of the "th" numbers are in the teens...and of course we're several generations away from real feudalism there now. Mostly, noble houses killed each other off; if not totally, then so that individual lines had no male heirs and the title started with a new "the 1st".

      You know the rest: there was ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS somebody up for the job of "guy who basically owns nearly everything in the county". You'd never, ever run out. If "Game of Thrones" (I mean, knowing it's based on histories more than fantasies) doesn't clear that up, "The Walking Dead" clarifies that somebody is up for the job of "Local 1%" even if there's less than 100 people left.

    30. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Dr_Terminus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The funny thing is that this is almost a reflection of the West's understanding of how Al Qaeda works. How long did we focus on going after Bin Laden or any of the other top guys, as if taking out those guys is sufficient to wipe out an entire ideology. Likely the mis-targeted drone strikes and other operations undertaken to eliminate these figureheads only served to bring more to the extremist ideology.

    31. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by jc42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Coffee and sugar used to come in one or five pound bags. Now it is all sub-16 ounces.

      Huh? Just this morning, I bought a 7-pound bag of sugar. Granted, that's about a year's supply for the two of us. (And it's mostly an artifact of my local reputation as a maker of good margaritas. ;-) It isn't at all hard to find sugar packaged in 2- or 5-pound bags hereabouts; most of the food stores that I frequent sell it that way. Coffee I've always bought in sub-pound packages, mostly because the taste tends to decay slowly, and it's more noticeable the larger the package is. The advent of home and in-store coffee grinding machines was the main cause of the switch to smaller packages, rather than the price. (The real coffee connoisseurs buy the beans green, and roast and grind it themselves, but their numbers are too small to seriously affect prices. ;-)

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    32. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by meerling · · Score: 2

      The bequests in his will are public knowledge, and it's not going to the government. In fact, it pretty much won't change the economic situation in the US in the slightest, except maybe the 7-11 he goes to won't carry that one flavor anymore...

    33. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by bungo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The bombers of the airport in Brussels exploded their bombs in the check-in area (before the passport control and even further from the baggage scanners). When the airport reopened, they had pushed the security as far back as they could.

      There are now military+police checkpoints for cars before you get near the airport, just off the highway exits. It would be difficult to get a car bomb past. You have to get dropped off in a specific car park and walk up to 2 km to get to the security queue to get into the temporary airport buildings.

      The queue for the next security check, where they check bags is about 500m long. Everyone is in a very long, thin queue. If there were bombs in the bags to be checked in, the best they could do is explode in the queue outside of the building, which would cause little damage, except to the few within 10m or so.

      The end result is a nightmare of an airport, with people avoiding it and not flying. Passenger numbers are way down. A friend who flew recently took 4 hours to get through the security lines and to his flight. He just made it, even though it was a morning flight, and he arrived 4 hours in advance, at around 6am. I would hate to see the queue at 10am or later.

      It hasn't crippled the economy, but has really screwed the operators of the airport and all of the airlines using it.

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    34. Re:Wow, they really are stuck in the past by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The international jihadi movement was fragmented in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, but it started to coalesce around two groups in the 90s: al-Qaeda and the Taliban. (Hamas and Hezbollah are mostly specific to a Israel/Palestine and Lebanon, respectively, with a little bit of overlap to neighboring states.) Since then, the movement has been fragmenting again: Boko Haram arose in Nigeria, ISIS in Iraq (out of what was once al-Qaeda in Iraq), and the Taliban have split at least once and maybe twice. Al-Qaeda has tried to reinvent itself, with reports of strategic changes limiting acts against civilians (particularly Muslims) and an attempt to portray themselves as somewhat more gentle than they were, especially in the face of the savagery that ISIS has taken up.

      But with all of the attention to al-Qaeda over the years, the leadership really has dwindled, and their ability to adequately train operatives to undertake attacks against Western targets has similarly declined. The group has also proved to be far less adept at social media than is ISIS, limiting their recruiting capability for both front line forces and leadership. Most of their recruits come from areas that don't have strong connections to the outside world, limiting recruitment to more personal means. ISIS is also widely seen as the more effective group, since it's taken territory across large swaths of Iraq and Syria (though word of their losses has not been widely reported in the media and the group isn't keen to play them up), while al-Qaeda's holdings are mostly limited to small parts of Syria, Somalia, and Yemen.

      I would not be at all surprised to see that al-Qaeda ultimately outlives ISIS. The former has more experience surviving losses than the latter, which has changed names about a dozen times since forming in the late 1990s as it keeps reinventing itself.

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  2. Woohoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally, the year of the Linux desktop

  3. Because the Quran says by Jawnn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...to murder influential people to advance your socio-economic agenda. Right? What was that passage again?

    1. Re:Because the Quran says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's the one right after the one that identifies itself as the religion of peace.

    2. Re:Because the Quran says by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Al Qaeda was born of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. They drew lessons from that and thought they were applicable to other situations. The leadership of Al Qaeda has many mistaken views.

      The first is that the mujaheddin, the "faithful" who opposed the soviet invasion actually drove the soviets out. In reality the Soviets had them beat until Americans started funneling advanced weapons in which neutralized the Soviets weapons.

      The second is that the expense of fighting the mujaheddin was so costly it resulted in the collapse of the Soviet economy and the unwinding of the entire Soviet state and a withdrawal from "Muslim lands". Of course the reality is that Afghanistan was a side adventure for the Soviets, it was the collapse in oil prices (the only way the Soviets could earn hard currency) in the 80's along with trying to keep up with the American defense spending of the 80's that did the Soviet government in. This double wammy exhausted the currency and gold reserves of the soviet state and resulted in collapse.

      The third is that Americans were not willing to sacrifice blood and would retreat in the face of actual combat.

      The first two misconceptions have driven the entire strategy of Al Qaeda since the start. They truly believed that by drawing America into a war in the middle east that not only would America be beaten handily but that the economy would collapse and America would be forced to abandon the middle east (their goal). After the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq they thought they had triggered the end of the American empire when the crash of 2008 happened.

      The subsequent recovery has put a lie to their predictions so the natural path is to assume something prevented it. Like any good religion they've decided the reason the American economy didn't collapse was because of the wealthy Americans, not because their original assumptions were stupid and wrong. This an organization that wants to bring back slavery and the laws of 700AD Islam and that anything that goes against (capitalism and democracy) that is a perversion that's doomed to failure. The existence and success of America and western states makes this belief a lie. They will continue to come up with "reasons" why their predictions haven't come true and undoubtedly urge the killing of all kinds of people in an effort to make it happen.

      They simply don't understand America or the West and what makes us collectively strong.

    3. Re:Because the Quran says by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know you're joking, but after seeing a few tattoos of teachings of Leviticus i can assure you that many of the most devout followers of any religious book really don't understand it. The Bible/Torah/Qu'ran can at times be seen as a Rorschach test, where you really see what's in the mind of the viewer rather than the book itself.

  4. Well... by mlwmohawk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Obviously I wish no ill will on anyone, but let's be honest, there are a number of "successful" people who's loss would improve the economy.

  5. Of course Al Qaeda is pissed by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess Al Qaeda woke up to find their Windows 7 had been automatically upgraded to Windows 10 then? That's got to piss them off.

    1. Re:Of course Al Qaeda is pissed by TFlan91 · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's how the CIA found their next drone target!

      Once Win10 was started, triangulation was acquired and.... 3... 2... 1... "boom".

  6. Remind me why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can anyone remind me why it's bigoted to point out that most of the terrorism in the world is Islamic? Also, why is it bigoted to point out that the Qur'an calls for violence against nonbelievers but the New Testament says to love your enemies? Why is it acceptable to condemn the Westboro Baptist Church for their hatred but wrong to condemn Islam for their hatred and violence?

    1. Re:Remind me why... by overshoot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can anyone remind me why it's bigoted to point out that most of the terrorism in the world is Islamic?

      Because if it's not being done by Muslims, we call it something else.

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    2. Re:Remind me why... by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 2

      Because you're a fucking idiot with mashed potatoes for brains.

      Can anyone remind me why it's bigoted to point out that most of the terrorism in the world is Islamic?

      Others have answered this one already.

      Also, why is it bigoted to point out that the Qur'an calls for violence against nonbelievers but the New Testament says to love your enemies?

      You have no idea what the fuck you're even talking about. Jesus is a part of the Muslim faith. Look no further than the Old Testament for all the guidance you need on genital mutilation, killing various "undesirables" like homosexuals and trans folks, and in general making war on people who don't worship your particular sky wizard.

      Why is it acceptable to condemn the Westboro Baptist Church for their hatred but wrong to condemn Islam for their hatred and violence?

      The Westboro Baptist Church are a group of professional trolls. They're a family of lawyers that incite shit so they have something to sue about. If you can't tell the difference between a family of lawyers that trollolol for a living and a faith that over a billion people in the world practice, you're beyond help.

      Go back to your senile fucking paranoid delusions. Your post is yet another example of "conservatives" being too fucking far out of touch with the real fucking world to do anything other than tilt at straw men.

    3. Re:Remind me why... by Trogre · · Score: 2

      How utterly ingenuous. Do you actually believe that or are you just regurgitating mindless rhetoric?

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  7. Kill off the rich? by ilsaloving · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So... they want to kill off rich people in the hopes of *hurting* the economy?

    Can I assume that people are already tweeting them suggestions on who to go after, so that all the money that is currently being sequestered by all these rich people will finally be released back into the economy?

  8. I hope they don't go after Steve Jobs by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean, if they're going after Gates, might as well try to take out Apple too...

  9. If they were serious about destroying capitalism by FilmedInNoir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Instead of blowing up buildings and killing people (which for some sick reason boosts the economy) they would all get jobs as investment bankers and mortgage brokers.

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  10. Is it me or - by Progman3K · · Score: 3

    Those terrorists sound like idiotic schoolchildren that have no idea how things work.

    Talk about moronic... They couldn't make themselves appear dumber if they tried

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    1. Re:Is it me or - by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Yeah, or Bernie Sanders supporters. Eat the rich! We'll all finally become prosperous and everything will go our way!

      Other countries do most of the things he talks about by taxing the rich. It sounds like you don't get out much.

      Granted, they do have smaller houses, smaller cars, and less trinkets. If "stuff" is your main goal and you don't want a safety net, then don't vote him.

  11. Re:Top people are completely replacable by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Funny

    Top people in Western society are completely replaceable

    Perhaps the one thing our economic policy ensures: the wealthy are almost criminally worthless and the most replaceable of the lot, to the point of being huge boat anchors.

    Knock yourselves out Al Qaeda, purge us of our parasites, that'll show us!

  12. This explains a lot by overshoot · · Score: 4, Funny

    The terrorist group says that murdering high ranking people can damage the U.S. economy.

    They've been reading waaaaaaay too much Ayn Rand.

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  13. You are welcome, rest of the world by tehlinux · · Score: 2

    The Al-Qaeda spokesman was able to issue the statement because he hadn't died from malaria.

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  14. Re:Double standard by yodleboy · · Score: 2

    "You seem to forget the crusades and christian missionary expansion"

    No one is forgetting it, but that was how many hundreds of years ago? Was Christianity more militant and violent then, sure. The question is why is Islam violent NOW? Given the same amount of time to grow up, why have they refused?

  15. Re:Sounds like by pr0fessor · · Score: 2

    Apparently mosquitoes are more dangerous and kill more people... and it's easier than stopping cancer.

  16. Re:Double standard by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Insightful

    soooo, getting children a better education in the language of their country of residence, the US of A, is somehow comparable to ISIL and AL-Qaeda's slaughters and rapes and maimings? boohoo, the native american alaskana can no longer practice bits of their culture like euthanizing the middle aged?

    go back to tumblr, you SJW whiner

  17. Re:Double standard by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2

    Given the same amount of time to grow up, why have they refused?

    You'll have to ask that again in another 500 years, when it's been the same amount of time as Christianity now.

  18. Re:Double standard by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

    You know that several of the crusades were a response to Muslim invasion, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  19. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are many places in both Koran and Hadith that orders Muslims to kill non Muslims (or Muslims with the same interpretation):

    Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

    Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

    A local imam has preached that Muslim people should profit as much as possible from our social security system (unemployment money) because that would make them a 'good' Muslim who has forced the non Muslims to pay this Jizya... That local imam also weekly preachers against the Jews and the US and is brainwashing his followers that IS is nothing but the CIA. This is very frustrating here whenever you find yourself in a situation with a Muslim discussing 'the truth'.

    Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

    This verse is the reason why some (but still too many) imams say that Jews have to be killed first and then the Christians.

    Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."

    This is the reason why some (but still too many) imams in Western Europe ask to riot in the street, burn cars, destroy windows.

    Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."

    Hypocrites here are other Muslims. The 'Muslims' who are not 'real Muslims'. The problem is that every Muslims can claim to be a mullah and preaches the 'right Islam', just like in for example Protestantism.

    The problem with Islam is that Western people look at Islam like they look at Christianity, as just a religion. But you have to look at Islam like Christianity during inquisition, before enlightenment, as a totalitarian system. There is no difference between Islam and Islamism. Islam is Islam, and it only depends on the individual, or rather the group of Muslims how far they go in following their laws. IS are still "puritan" Muslims, doing everything within the Islamic laws.

    By the way the Muslim Brotherhood are trying to create an Islamic state by using democracy. Once they are in power, they replace the democracy with Sharia law and create a caliphate. The Muslim Brotherhood are the 'peaceful' (but you could ask the Egyptian Copts how peaceful they really are) alternative of IS. In fact, the Muslim Brotherhood is the Muslim alternative for Hitlers Nazi party and has never been dismantled since the fall of the "third reich". Unfortunately they recently got the support of Obama, which was and is a big mistake. Hopefully the next president will correct this error and label them as what they are: a Nazi like, terrorist organization. Our government has currently 13 seats out of 150 (8.6 %) for Muslim Brotherhood people. Quite an achievement if you know that only 4% of the people are Muslims and most of them don't vote.

    But indeed, criticizing anything that has to do with Islam is bigotry. Since 2008 it has even been implemented by the UN that criticizing Islam (or other religions) is racist and individual countries should limit free speech in that regard (thanks Obama).

  20. Re:Good thing by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 2

    They were going to try Larry Ellison but the waiting list from disgruntled Oracle and Java users meant that they wouldn't have had an attempt until 2035 at the earliest.

  21. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The inquisition was primarily carried out by secular powers. The point of the inquisition as far as the Church was concerned was that the rights of those charged with heresy were protected. Else it was very easy for a neighbor who wanted your land or your wife to accuse you of heresy. So the Church required an actual tribunal, which required actual proof before you could be convicted. Even if found guilty on a small number were ever actually executed. Even Galileo, who was an ass and prosecuted more for pissing off those in power than because he was a scientist (Copernicus, who was a monk was never prosecuted or suppressed for saying just about the same thing) was given the horrible punishment of house arrest in a palace. Woe is him.
    The Crusades were a response to Muslim aggression. In 410 A.D. the whole of the Mediterranean basin was Christian. By 510 a good part was Muslim, and they didn't convert willingly, but at the point of a sword.
    The Ku Klux Klan was actively opposed by the Catholic Church and other Christians.
    The Nazi's were pagans, attempting to restore the worship of the Germanic pantheon, as well as being occultist. They certainly weren't Christian.

  22. We build mountains. They build flag poles. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Interesting
    (Caveat: I used to belong to sort of them. Was Indian. Now American).

    In the West, we have built very strong enduring institutions. For people who grew up in the USA, they seem to be slowly decaying becoming corrupt. But only when you come in from a different society, after growing up there, you would see the difference. The level of honesty and trust in the government, in the institutions, private or public, is very high in America. It would take India a century or more to build such institutions of integrity. I told my bond broker cousin in Bombay, "As the Watergate scandal was picking up steam, IRS audited the sitting President of the USA, found him in violation of tax code, and assessed half a million dollars in taxes and penalties. It cut Nixon's net worth by half. Nixon paid without complaining or creating a ruckus. Nixon!". He was stunned beyond belief. Such things do not simply happen there. Despite all the insider trading and the banksters becoming fraudsters, SEC and Wall Street is light years ahead of regulation and disclosure of Indian capital markets.

    Here in USA we build mountains. Someone is on top of the mountain, but there are several who could replace him/her, and that person, single handedly does not achieve any thing big. In the Middle East and in India, probably China, it is all personality cult. Build one pedestal, put a flag pole on it, and put their leader on top of the flag pole. Leader goes down, there is no one to step and continue the system. The leader actively undermines and sabotages the career of anyone who could replace him. Surrounded by sycophants and flatterers, the leaders live in bubbles. India is way better than Pakistan in this respect, and Pakistan is better than Bangladesh and the Arab countries. But none of them even come close to USA, Canada, Western Europe, Australia and NZ in terms of governance and public integrity.

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    sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
  23. More likely Windows Vista by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Funny

    His philanthropy may even be what is irritating them, who knows?

    Actually given how out of date they seem I suspect that it may be because they have only just upgraded to Vista.

  24. their money is your office, the Tesla factory by raymorris · · Score: 2

    > Actually every decade we should kill off the top .01%. That by itself will keep the economy flowing as their cash will keep being moved instead of just sitting there.

    I hope you're being sarcastic, but in case you're just young or woefully uninformed, I'll explain it for you. You don't get rich by putting cash under your mattress. You get rich by owning productive capital. The office you're sitting in, the computer you're using at work, and those glossy flyers advertising your company's products are the rich people's money (and our retirement savings). They get and stay rich by having their MONEY work for them rather than them just working for wages. Their money is your office, it's the Tesla factory, their money is the grocery store you shop at. You COULD take their money and use it buy Obama-phones. It is then no longer available build offices, upgrade your office equipment, or print more marketing materials to sell the company's product, or to maintain the grocery store building and equipment. You end up with a "free" phone, but you'd no loner have an office, a computer on your desk, or grocery store with working refrigeration.

    They use $4,000 of their money to get you, their employee, training for a new certification and then they have an employee worth $8,000. We could let politicians decide how resources are allocated based on contributions they recieve, or we could do this:
    Everybody who finds ways to cause money to increase, to use resources in a way that generates more resources, can then manage some of the new resources they created in order to create even more. They can also take a portion of the increase (profit) and distribute it to people who build good things, like cars, houses , and low-power SOCs. The first option (government control of resources) is how Cuba works now and Russia used to work, until it collapsed. The second option (people who efficiently multiply resources manage the resources to create even more and pay people to make stuff) is called capitalism.

    Btw, the corollary to the first part is that if you're stuffing your money under your mattress, or spending on Starbucks, you probably won't get rich, or even particularly compfortable. To do well, you'll want to be an owner of productive capital. The easiest way to do that is to share ownership of a company like General Mills or Union Pacific. You can buy shares (part ownership) for as little as $80. To reduce risk, it's best to buy shares in 100 different companies at once. That's called a mutual fund. The best ones have low expenses. IVE and UMBIX are examples of good choices.

  25. Bible [Re:Because the Quran says] by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    The Bible also has some rather violent suggestions. Such books are kind of like a Rorschach test: you see what you want in them. They both have tolerance and violence.

    After clobbering each other bloody for a hundred odd years, Christian factions finally saw a giant clue-stick built out of caskets and learned to coexist peacefully. It's not Bible passages, but reality that changed them.

    Unfortunately, Islam is repeating history.

  26. Re:Double standard by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

    http://www.theguardian.com/wor...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

    There were millions of hits for my google search, so I just grabbed the top two. How many would you like, and why are you unable to use Google yourself?

  27. don't they? by raymorris · · Score: 2

    > And yet they don't do any of those really simple things.

    They don't? It seems to me that SOMEONE who vowed destroy the US as we knew and "fundamentay transform" it has been destroying or blocking economically important infrastructure such as pipelines, doubling the debt, vowing to "relentlessly go after" business owners while creating uncertainty for entrepeneurs, and spreading race-based propaganda. Maybe it wasn't a terrorist per se, maybe that was somebody else who blames the US for the fact that the middle east has been at war for 3,000 years.