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Jail Sentence For Popular YouTube Pranksters (bbc.com)

Turns out crossing a line, even for a prank by a YouTube star, can go bonkers. An anonymous reader cites a BBC report: Four members of the controversial Trollstation YouTube channel have been jailed in connection with fake robberies and kidnappings. The group were involved in a fake robbery at London's National Portrait Gallery and a fake kidnapping at Tate Britain in July 2015. The channel, with 718,000 subscribers, has built a reputation for filming staged pranks around the city. A fifth member was imprisoned in March following a bomb hoax.The Crown Prosecution Service's Robert Short said: "The hoaxes may have seemed harmless to them, but they caused genuine distress to a number of members of the public, who should be able to go about their daily business without being put in fear in this way. We hope these convictions send a strong message that unlawful activities such as these will not be tolerated in London."

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  1. Arrested for Violating the Strange-Sketch-Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Also the Getting-Out-of-Sketches-Without-Using-a-Proper-Punch-Line Act, viz:

    “Simply ending every bleeding sketch by just having a policeman come in.”

  2. Famous last words... by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm really surprised that, "It's just a prank bro!" hasn't been documented on-video as famous last words.

    I guess I look at pranks on strangers as something that has to be limited enough that the person pranked will themselves laugh about it. It's one thing to prank your friends that you have an understanding with, but it's an entirely different matter to do something that affects otherwise-uninvolved third parties.

    This is a case of, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

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    1. Re:Famous last words... by twotacocombo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess I look at pranks on strangers as something that has to be limited enough that the person pranked will themselves laugh about it.

      Sure, like gluing a quarter to the ground or the ol' dollar bill on a fishing line trick; something that most people will instantly recognize as a silly, light-hearted prank and move on. One of my favorite memories was spending some time on a pier on Catalina island with a whoopie cushion, some friends, and some unsuspecting passers-by. However, many of these "pranks" I've seen recently involve some sort of direct interaction with the offender, and aren't easily escapable situations. If a prank starts making people feel uncomfortable, you've completely missed the mark. When a prank starts making people feel threatened, prepare to get your chops busted one way or another.

    2. Re:Famous last words... by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No I haven't, because one of the biggest MTV prank shows is filmed in Texas. But oh yeah: everyone is afraid of your peashooter. I'm sure you will be protecting us all real soon now.

    3. Re:Famous last words... by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If a prank starts making people feel uncomfortable, you've completely missed the mark.

      This^^^

      I remember the original Candid Camera. The best prank I every saw them pull was getting a large box delivered to an office and that box just fitting through the door. While the delivery people were distracted the camera crew added an insert to the door jam and said that the box was delivered to the wrong office. Now when the delivery guys tried to move the box the couldn't get it out of the office and couldn't understand why. Hilarious.

      On the other hand I saw another show which had people sitting in an office. Someone would drop a dummy past the window and before the mark could respond and actor would replace the dummy on the ground. Cue a mark who was concerned/worried about seeing potential death/suicide. Even I felt uncomfortable watching it.

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    4. Re:Famous last words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have seen them in Texas, including in the flesh. Worst was a friend that wanted to do the stare at police then run away prank. That is always a winner. He never expected the cop would body slam a bored affluent white kid. His parents had to pick him up at the station. Southern justice!

    5. Re:Famous last words... by MitchDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "If a prank starts making people feel uncomfortable, you've completely missed the mark."

      You've just banned ALL comedy, especially in the pathetic world we live in where someone is offended by/uncomfortable with everything...

    6. Re:Famous last words... by rijrunner · · Score: 2

      It is illegal to shout "fire" in a crowded theater.

      That applies to a lot of related sorts of activities. In this case, that group did, in fact, build a prank bomb in addition to staging criminal activities.

    7. Re:Famous last words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm really surprised that, "It's just a prank bro!" hasn't been documented on-video as famous last words.

      I guess I look at pranks on strangers as something that has to be limited enough that the person pranked will themselves laugh about it. It's one thing to prank your friends that you have an understanding with, but it's an entirely different matter to do something that affects otherwise-uninvolved third parties.

      This is a case of, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

      Back in "The Day," there was a real-life prank TV show called Candid Camera hosted by Allen Funt. It was lighthearted stuff, like putting a speaker in a mailbox and having an actor say "Hey buddy, got a quarter" to passers-by, but only when no one else was looking. Stuff you could walk away from and laugh about it.

      I don't remember any pranks that were mean-spirited, and one of the show-runners said about Candid Camera: "We’ve always come at it from the idea that we believe people are wonderful and we’re out to confirm it. Our imitators and other shows, whether it’s Jamie Kennedy or Punk’d, often seem to come at it from the opposite perspective, which is that people are stupid, and we’re going to find ways to underscore that."

      Here's hoping some jail sentences will help folks think about what they're doing. From the article: "For the charge at the National Portrait Gallery, Mr Jarvis was sentenced to 20 weeks, Mr Mensah and Mr Gomes to 18 weeks each, and Mr Ferizolli to 16 weeks. All four were also sentenced to eight weeks for the fake kidnapping at Tate Britain, to run concurrently. Trollstation member Danh Van Le was sentenced to 12 weeks imprisonment in March for his involvement in the fake robbery, and also to 24 weeks for a separate bomb hoax."

    8. Re:Famous last words... by TWX · · Score: 2

      I remember one that had a sign in a mall or lobby or something, asking people to please not walk on a certain color of tile. Of course that was the dominant color of tile on that bit of floor. Usually made for some good laughs.

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    9. Re:Famous last words... by twotacocombo · · Score: 2

      "If a prank starts making people feel uncomfortable, you've completely missed the mark."

      You've just banned ALL comedy, especially in the pathetic world we live in where someone is offended by/uncomfortable with everything...

      Pranks are comedy, but not all comedy is pranking. If someone is watching a TV show or live standup or whatnot, they know what they're in for; cringe away. If I'm walking down the street minding my own business and someone approaches me and begins acting in a way that sends up red flags, that's not comedy. I did not sign up for that. That is how misunderstandings occur, and people get hurt.

    10. Re:Famous last words... by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess I look at pranks on strangers as something that has to be limited enough that the person pranked will themselves laugh about it.

      Sure, like gluing a quarter to the ground or the ol' dollar bill on a fishing line trick; something that most people will instantly recognize as a silly, light-hearted prank and move on.

      This. But, looking at their channel, they had an awful lot of much more dangerous 'pranks' (faking shots fired in a parking garage, faking a street shooting in public). These are going to get The Man involved, and The Man (quite rightfully) takes a dim view of incidents deliberately designed to panic people. They also had more than a couple where they deliberately placed people (complete strangers) in fear of their lives... for amusement. Yet another crossing of the line of reasonability.

      Their channel name, Trollstation, gives the game away though... They weren't looking for laughs (a prank), they were (like all trolls) looking for attention. And they got the attention they deserved, the IRL equivalent of a banhammer.

    11. Re:Famous last words... by Tharkkun · · Score: 2

      "If a prank starts making people feel uncomfortable, you've completely missed the mark."

      You've just banned ALL comedy, especially in the pathetic world we live in where someone is offended by/uncomfortable with everything...

      If you do a prank in a closed setting with people you know it's fine. When you blindly involve the public while performing criminal acts it's not going to be funny anymore. Especially if those people feel threatened. You can choose to roll the dice.

    12. Re:Famous last words... by myowntrueself · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No I haven't, because one of the biggest MTV prank shows is filmed in Texas. But oh yeah: everyone is afraid of your peashooter. I'm sure you will be protecting us all real soon now.

      Dunno... if I were in one of those 'stand your ground' states and had a firearm and some fucker came up to me and slapped me while his pal filmed it, I'd feel pretty safe shooting them both in the guts.

      "Officer, I honestly felt my life was in danger".
      "Yep, nothin' to see here, move along."

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    13. Re:Famous last words... by Christian+Smith · · Score: 2, Informative

      How do you "prank" a theft from a portrait gallery? If they actually stole a portrait, then it's theft. It doesn't matter if they give it back and say "it's just a prank".

      Actually, it does. From the Theft Act 1968:

      "A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it"

      Therefore, with no intention to permanently deprive someone of the object, no theft has taken place.

      From TFA though:

      "All four pleaded guilty to two counts of using threatening, abusive, or insulting words or behaviour with intent to cause fear of, or provoke unlawful violence for their involvement in the two hoaxes."

      Bloody hell, half of the MPs in the country could be done for that if they didn't hide behind their parliamentary privilege. The above words could be easily applied to the Brexit referendum FUD being spouted on both sides.

    14. Re:Famous last words... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      The parent just gave you an example of comedy that doesn't make people genuinely, deeply upset. You ignored that, and instead lept to a ridiculous extreme.

      Look, people are not going to carefully define every word of their argument for you. If you deliberately assume the worst possible interpretation when an obvious and much more reasonable one is apparent you are either a perpetual victim or terrible are debating.

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    15. Re:Famous last words... by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Informative

      No I haven't, because one of the biggest MTV prank shows is filmed in Texas. But oh yeah: everyone is afraid of your peashooter. I'm sure you will be protecting us all real soon now.

      People are every day. http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/12/...

    16. Re:Famous last words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If it isn't on fire, you are inciting property damages.

      Technically, the only restriction on free speech is that which "would be directed to and likely to incite imminent lawless action."

      Note that the link takes you to the Wikipedia page for "Shouting fire in a crowded theater." As explained in the article, the entire saying came into being because of supreme court case Schenck v. United States, which was related to free speech but had absolutely nothing to do with shouting fire in a crowded theater. During the case, it was argued:

      "The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic"

      But the strange thing is, that statement is not grounded in fact. Holmes was trying to say that there are reasonable limits on free speech, but he was pretty much talking out of his ass. While there have been a handful of cases where erroneously shouting "fire" in a crowded place resulted in panic, no one has ever been charged and convicted for doing so and it thus goes without saying that no one has tried to use a freedom of expression defence in such a case.

      It is a saying that probably needs to die. It comes up so often as an example of a "limit on free speech", but it is ungrounded. While IANAL, from what I gather the only way someone could be charged for yelling fire in a crowded place is if he/she were actually intent on causing panic and destruction. Of course that wouldn't prevent the owner of the theatre from suing for loss of business (or perhaps some of the patrons if they can claim some form of damage), but that would be a civil case not a criminal one.

    17. Re:Famous last words... by Tom · · Score: 2

      This.

      If the person who is the victim of the prank can't laugh about it, then it's not a prank, it's just being an asshole at someone elses expense.

      If you don't know that person, you need to be extra careful and the standard should be that pretty much anyone you can imagine would find it funny. Just4Laughs is a good example of a prank show where the people pranked are not humiliated and made to feel awful. A lot of the other prank shit on YouTube is just not funny if you're the slightest bit empathic.

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    18. Re:Famous last words... by Tom · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, you confuse humor with prank.

      A prank is a physical situation that you cannot immediately escape. It is about your immediate reaction, and typically involves violating boundaries. That is why it is something to be done with care.

      A television sketch about a politician, on the other hand, may make that politician uncomfortable, but he is not immediately on the spot and has plenty of opportunity to react rationally. In fact, making him uncomfortable may be the only way to push him into re-thinking his ways. Or a satire about some organisation or public figure may exaggerate in order to make the point and create humor, again crossing the line into discomfort or even humiliation. But again it is targeted at the audience and the victim is not in the headlights with their immediate reaction being national news.

      It's a big difference if you get put in a bad place, then calm down and later on are interviewed about it, compared to being put in a bad place and whatever your instinctive first reaction is will be archived for all eternity.

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  3. Goodness by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Funny

    One would think that YouTube fame would protect one from the consequences of faking a realistic-looking burglary at a major museum.

    :|

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  4. Re:Never moving to the UK by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fun for who?

  5. Idiots... by slasher999 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pranks cross the line when emergency services (police, EMS and fire primarily) need to get involved, even to disprove a situation as an actual event. Real lives and property may be at stake and if these services are distracted by bs like this there absolutely should be consequences.

    1. Re:Idiots... by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who's inventing a law? It's clearly a breach of the peace and arguably wasting police time.

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  6. Re:Why do we always get this from the UK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So weird. Am I the only person here who thinks it's odd that people who staged crimes and uploaded the video evidence to YouTube wouldn't be prosecuted for something just because they said "Just a prank lol! Lighten up lol!"

    Personally if somebody "pranked" me like that, I'd probably beat the shit out of them once I'd figured out I was in no real danger.

  7. Was it made clear in advance that it was fiction? by mark-t · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Because if so, how is it any different than actors playing a role of some criminals on a tv show? They don't go around arresting the bad guys of fictional dramas, why should they do so here?

    If they did not make this clear, however, I can see it being a problem.

  8. Well.... by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are pranks and then there are *pranks*...and when the latter crosses the line into destruction of property or causing real fear among an unsuspecting group of people (Burger King employees, crowds, shoppers, whatever) then it's time to drop the ban hammer and prosecute them.

    A fake robbery and a fake kidnapping? They're fucking lucky someone didn't step in and shoot them. Over here in the US that kind of shit is likely to get you shot dead by someone who's not in on the "joke".

    If I saw someone that I thought was actually being kidnapped, you can damn sure bet I'd try and stop it.

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    1. Re:Well.... by Vermonter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure, take some photos (hope you're quick with your phone, you may only have a few seconds before the perpetrator is in their car and driving off with the victim), call the police, wait for them to get to where you, give them the pictures, and then let the police do their jobs (meanwhile the perpetrator has been driving away for 10-15 minutes, depending on how seriously the police take your phone call). Or, if you're physically able, you could actually try to stop the perpetrator while their location is known (i.e., right near you), and while you know the victim is still alive. But I get it... saving a life is "not my job" (tm)

    2. Re:Well.... by AlanBDee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I remember once when I was working with juvenile kids who lived in a group home. We were at a park and one of the kids tried to run away. My co-worker ran to the van while I ran after the kid. About two blocks away I tackled the kid, my co-worker pulled up and put him in the van.

      To strangers what they saw was a teenager being run down by a much larger adult, tackled, and thrown into an unmarked van. The police were called, our license plate written down and it still took the police over an hour to find us.

      Had that been a planned abduction, with a stolen car and a quick switch to another vehicle they never would have found us. The police can't always reasonably respond to situations quickly enough. It's not their fault but as JustAnotherOldGuy said: in the US, you very could get shot doing pranks like that.

      At the same time, what if someone had intervened? What if I had been shot, shot at or another person tried to stop me "beating up the kid". What I did was completely legal, despite how bad the situation looked. The "good citizen" could have found themselves in a rough position to defend.

  9. Re:Was it made clear in advance that it was fictio by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 2

    Because in the fictional drama everyone else on the set (in the room) is a paid extra and knows what is going to happen. There are also lots of other people on hand off camera doing the tasks that need to be done so that anyone not associated with the shoot knows that a TV/movie production is being done. Additionally the owners and/or people leasing the location have probably been paid for the use and definitely had to have given permission to use the area so the know what is going on. A scene is normally acted out many times unless special circumstances prevent it, such as a vehicle being crashed. Even then it's rehearsed in place before the final take.

    None of those happened in this case and that's why charges were brought against them. There's a difference between:
    1. Me going into a random theatre and yelling fire which causes panic and
    2. Having a theatre filled with extras knowing that I'm going to yell fire, cameras capturing me coming in to yell fire, and the extras acting in a panic filled manner.

    Scenario 1 will get me charged while scenario 2 won't because it's acting.

  10. Re:Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, how about it boys, let's see these young me get raped!
     
    What kind of life experiences led you to cheer on rape?

  11. Just release them next year and say "just kidding" by PixelPusher1532 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It is OK. In a year or two they will be released from jail and informed that the jail sentence was all just a prank. Won't that be funny!!!

  12. Harassment and abuse are never ok by meadow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just like the people who created Borat should have been jailed.

    Harassment and abuse are never ok.

    There are a lot of other videos like these also. I saw one where a woman went in public deliberately with her ass showing, then filmed guys reacting to it and she confronted them to embarrass them and accuse them of being perverts.

    There are a lot of sick creeps out there. I think the movie Borat unleashed a lot of this.

    1. Re:Harassment and abuse are never ok by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Informative
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    2. Re:Harassment and abuse are never ok by myowntrueself · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just like the people who created Borat should have been jailed.

      Harassment and abuse are never ok.

      There are a lot of other videos like these also. I saw one where a woman went in public deliberately with her ass showing, then filmed guys reacting to it and she confronted them to embarrass them and accuse them of being perverts.

      There are a lot of sick creeps out there. I think the movie Borat unleashed a lot of this.

      I don't understand how Borat is not hate speech.

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  13. Re:Never moving to the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dr. Whom? FTFY

  14. Re:Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's just a prank, bro. Chill.

  15. Re:So when will the house of lords be arrested? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    If you have "popular YouTube prankster" at the top of your CV, the world is probably better off with you in jail.

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  16. The dummy dropped happened in high school by swb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We had a World History teacher in 11th grade who I think had psychological problems. I don't know what her problem is other than saying she was wound about 5 turns too tight and one of those people who pretty much has "victim" tattooed on their forehead -- even I saw it, and I was an obey-the-rules type.

    Anyway, her personality basically invited the bad kids to torment her, and they did, mercilessly. The fucking assistant principal, who looked like Rosie Grier and was really intimidating, was in our classroom about twice a week, which sucked, because he was an asshole to everyone, including people like me who never got in trouble.

    Finally somebody disobeyed her and she got mad and this kid walked out of the classroom. Put their shirt on a dummy and threw it out of the classroom window one floor up. Lots of yelling out the window and then the dummy thrown out the window.

    Of course she and everyone in class saw it fall past the window. She looked out and then left the classroom. Permanently. The story was she had a nervous breakdown and got some kind of indefinite medical leave.

    1. Re:The dummy dropped happened in high school by swb · · Score: 2

      Don't get me wrong, I think the pranks pulled on her, especially the dummy one were pretty awful and I had nothing to do with them.

      This teacher, though, shouldn't have been in a classroom. Like I said, there was something *wrong* with her from a mental health perspective from day 1. She was really uptight and her weird rigidity wasn't just targeted at the outright disruptive kids, everybody got a taste of it.

      It should have been obvious to the principal who hired her. It's been 30 years, so I'm not sure if this is a real memory or not but I seem to recall her ending up at our school because she had been institutionalized or hospitalized for nervous problem previously.

      And it was the worst teacher I had in high school and the most disruptive classroom, even though the student body mix was no worse than most other required classes.

  17. Re:Just release them next year and say "just kiddi by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Funny

    My kingdom for a mod point.

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  18. Re:At least the got a trial... by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You don't prank do you?

    What you want is something that will only fool 1 in 100, who will see him/her self as a dummy when they finish panicking.

    When 99 people are laughing, or at least smiling, and the 'victim' is just mildly embarrassed for having pissed herself, you have a good prank.

    Good pranks: Radio controlled alligator head at snow melt fed lake (mine). Running out the door of a museum with a replica masterpiece.

    Not good prank: Fake kidnapping.

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  19. Re:Never moving to the UK by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

    Fun for who?

    *Whom

    Was that fun for you?

  20. Re:So when will the house of lords be arrested? by Whibla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Care to share some specifics? Which Lord / Lady would you like arrested, and for what crime?

    If anything the House of Lords acts as a valuable 'brake' on some of the ludicrous legislation that comes out of the House of Commons. They come from a wide range of backgrounds, have a diversity of skills and education (unlike most career politicians, who invariably studied law at a prestigious university), and show, for the most part admirable restraint when it comes to knee-jerk media fed populist reactions.

    To, tangentially, digress, I'd heartily recommend the book "Mind Change - How digital technologies are leaving their mark on our brains" by Baroness Susan Greenfield, just one member of that House which you apparently so despise. How do your contributions to society rate, in comparison?

  21. Re:Never moving to the UK by silentcoder · · Score: 2

    Dude, read what these people actually did. This would be just as illegal in the USA and the supreme court confirmed as much more than a century ago. This is classic "shout fire in a crowded theaterhouse" stuff that has never been considered legitimate speech anywhere.
    Your rights end where mine begins, and your right to free speech does not include inciting a panicked riot that could get my toddler trampled to death, nor has it ever included that and nor will or should it.

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