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Iran Is Arresting Models Who Pose Without Headscarves On Instagram (bbc.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The Tehran cybercrimes court said the country has arrested eight people working for online modeling agencies deemed to be "un-Islamic." The women models were arrested for starring in photos on Instagram and elsewhere without wearing their headscarves, which has been required in public since 1979. A total of 170 people have been identified by investigators for being involved in online modeling, including 59 photographers and make-up artists, 58 models and 51 fashion salon managers and designers. The court's prosecutor Javad Babaei announced the the threats on TV, claiming modeling agencies accounted for about 20 percent of posts on Instagram from Iran and that they had been "making and spreading immoral and un-Islamic culture and promiscuity." He added, "We carried out this plan in 2013 with Facebook, and now Instagram is the focus."

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  1. Perhaps... by Type44Q · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps some enterprising Persian can invent headscarves that look like... hair.

    1. Re:Perhaps... by tombak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But in iran this idea is codified in the legal system, its not a fringe idea expressed by a weirdo on an internet forum. That's the difference.

    2. Re:Perhaps... by haruchai · · Score: 2

      It certainly sounds fucking backwards but then you don't have to go back very far in many advanced Western cultures to find mistreatment of women, children, animals, minorities, homosexuals & cripples.

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    3. Re:Perhaps... by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good comparison. Obviously the sad puppies or whatever are directly comparable to groups that stone women for things that aren't even crimes here. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is Hitler, right?

    4. Re:Perhaps... by haruchai · · Score: 2

      I'm not a liberal, well except when being compared to a rabid rightwingnut with execrable reading comprehension.

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    5. Re:Perhaps... by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Yes because everyone knows that picking something because of their sexual identity is the true meaning of quality and should be lauded for it. And you should never, ever, select something based on the merit of something.

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  2. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But they were breaking laws.

    Stupid laws, yes, but they were being broken.

  3. snap-hijab by tombak · · Score: 5, Funny

    We should make an islamic instagram app that automatically superimposes hijab/niqab on all females in a given shot. Hek it just removes all females from pics. Also it additionally gives men long beards and a unibrow for extra piety points.
    H

  4. Re:There was a time... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Iran wasn't so stuck in the past.

    Indeed. Before Iran became an Islamic Republic, it was an enlightened American client state, ruled by Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, a really great guy, who provided his people with the most modern instruments of torture, and housed his political prisoners in state of the art facilities. It is surprising how ungrateful the Iranian people are toward America, since we installed and unselfishly supported this wonderful regime for nearly three decades, and we gave them plenty of advice on how to build and run the prisons that kept all the troublemakers locked up. All we asked for in return was plenty of cheap oil.

  5. Where's the beef? by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cops in the US will arrest women for going topless in public. What's the difference?

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    1. Re:Where's the beef? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The difference is that they're not hunting down people who are topless in pictures posted online and seek them out and arrest them.

  6. Two wrongs don't make a right by presidenteloco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Both of those regimes are/were messed up in their own special way.

    It's too bad that sheeple put up with such tyranny, in either case.

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    1. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      When in Rome, follow Roman law. You want to play with fire, try starting a Communist party in the USA (illegal), or offering end to end encryption email with no back doors in England.

      No, the US isn't Europe. We don't ban any political parties from existing or saying whatever backwards shit they want to say, which is inclusive of anything from Communist to Fascist parties. The thing is, it's borderline impossible for them to have it their way, because the amount of support they need to be able to do anything is astronomical compared to what is needed in Europe (and is hence one of the downsides of a parliamentary system.)

    2. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      try starting a Communist party in the USA (illegal)

      I'd like to believe you're simply ignorant rather than intentially telling a falsehood. We don't ban political parties in the US. Granted, we haven't always lived up to that ideal, like the McCarthy-era witch hunts - perhaps that's what you're thinking of?

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    3. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Europe has more freedom than the US. We have paedophile political parties and stuff like that too. We also have much more positive freedom, that is where the state is obliged to protect people to some extent. The US kinda has it in some back-door ways, like the requirement to scrape people off the street after an accident and do the bare minimum require to keep them alive Since Europe has had problems with specific groups (e.g. Nazis) in the past, it is judged that on balance banning them in certain countries (Germany) is justified.

      US schools force children to pledge allegiance to the state. The pledge contains the phrase "under god", even though there is supposed to be separation of church and state. Don't tell me that the US has more political freedom than Europe, it's a gross over-simplification and untrue.

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    4. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by silentcoder · · Score: 2
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    5. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by silentcoder · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ahem, Ahem, a-fucking-hem: you bloody well DO ban political parties in the USA and have SPECIFICALLY banned communist parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      The law has never been enforced, and was found unconstitutional by one state supreme court (but because nobody appealed the finding it has never been nationally decided by the federal supreme court) but the law DOES exist.

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    6. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by ZiakII · · Score: 2

      Did you even read what you linked?

      "In 1973 a federal district court in Arizona decided that the act was unconstitutional and Arizona could not keep the party off the ballot in the 1972 general election (Blawis v. Bolin). In 1961 the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the act did not bar the party from participating in New York's unemployment insurance system (Communist Party v. Catherwood)

      However, the Supreme Court of the United States has not ruled on the act's constitutionality. Despite that, no administration has tried to enforce it. The provisions of the act "outlawing" the party have not been repealed. Nevertheless, the Communist Party of the USA continues to exist in the 21st century.

    7. Re: Two wrongs don't make a right by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      I did. I even mentioned those facts in another comment. None of it changes anything. A law doesnt cease to be a law because it is not enforced.
      Only an idiot would claim this law has not had a stiffling effect just by existing.

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    8. Re:Two wrongs don't make a right by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Freedom of speech is a guaranteed right under the ECHR. A constitution isn't the only way to codify rights.

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  7. Re:In China... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you kiss a girl on the street, you could be arrested...Go figure.

    How about if you kiss her on the mouth?

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  8. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As mentioned, this *is* a law. But laws can be changed.

    Women can be, and have been, elected to national political office in Iran. In fact, 84 of 435 (19.3%) of their national representatives are women. That isn't that great, admittedly, but at least it's--

    Oh wait, those are the US house of reps numbers. Our senate has 20 women out of 100 senators, roughly the same ratio.

    Meanwhile, Iranian women MPs are 21 of 290, or 7%. But before you argue how backwards that is compared to the US, reflect that it is roughly the representation the US had in the early 1990s.

    So there's hope for a more representational government, both for Iran and the US.

  9. Re:Religion is what's 'immoral' by ewibble · · Score: 2

    Dump the breaking laws part and replace harm with significant harm and you got it.

    Laws can be made up to be anything the rulers want it doesn't make them just.

    Most actions a person makes affects someone else and may cause harm to someone else. if I go out in public showing my face some people may be offended, that can be construed as harm. However I don't consider being offended as significant harm. One of the things I see more and more people thinking they have the right not to be offended. I believe this should never be a right.

  10. Re:There was a time... by reboot246 · · Score: 2

    And I laugh when people complain about Baptists!!

    Not even in the same ballpark.

  11. Trump is the future by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Trump is the creation of people like you, that called every mild person you disagreed with Hitler, and thus were all vanquished.

    You got exactly what you wanted, all of the mild people banished, and replaced by hard men and women who punch back twice as hard when challenged because it's the only way to stand up to people calling you Hitler - they obviously will not listen to reason, only louder bluster.

    It's obviously what you wanted as you worked so hard for this to com to pass. Strange that you sound unhappy.

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    1. Re: Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because Muslims are desperately trying to escape America... Not break in for welfare and jihad... Right, you fucking dipshit?

    2. Re:Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lol. Trump may not be Hitler, but to pin the rise of Trump on people who care about the common good? Nonsense. No, Trump is the creation of the rights brand of histrionic finger-waving. The Fox News dumbing down of America. The manufactured acceptance of Palin-style bullshit to feed your racist, bigoted agenda. Trump is your creation, your problem, and will be your downfall. I will laugh when he either loses or actually pivots so much to the left (where his policies have lain for the greater part of his life) that he may as well be a Democrat. (Which, of course, he is.)

      Lol.

    3. Re:Trump is the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gods I'm so glad to see you saying that.

      War Hero John McCain runs... we can't let him win or lose, we'd better say he's waging a WAR ON WOMEN and is SEXIST!
      http://inthesetimes.com/articl...

      Romney runs, a governor with a reasonably liberal history, especially regarding women's issues? One who wants to be SURE that women get representation in his possible future administration that he gets started, early, on the task of making a list of qualified women? That becomes "binders of women". Romney is waging a WAR ON WOMEN and is SEXIST!
      http://www.theguardian.com/wor...

      So, there's no longer any benefit to being a Republican who isn't sexist. Liberals will call every Republican sexist, no matter fucking what they do. Just go ahead and remove "is not overtly sexist" from the requirements list for being a Republican.

      These people have been BEGGING for Trump. Refuse to compromise. Call everyone a bigot who doesn't agree with you. Insist it is your radical SJW bullshit way or the highway. Deny any voice at all to moderates and conservatives alike. Make no room for them at any table, wage a goddamned war. Richly deserved IMO.

    4. Re:Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not sure about Hitler - but comparing him to Verwoerd is a spot-on accurate comparison - except that the latter was a LOT more eloquent.

      The thing is - as somebody who lived under the only fascist government to ever rule a country for a significant period WITHOUT being simultaneously at war with major powers... I heard every variation of fascist rhetoric. From the absolute hatred of communism to blaming other races for your hardships, blaming liberals for every evil in the world and filling people with fear of the brown-boogeyman under the bed and the red boogeyman next door.

      Trump isn't LIKE the fascists I lived under, he IS them. If he had run in a South African election in 1976 it would have been a fucking landslide victory for him.

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    5. Re:Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >Liberals will call every Republican sexist, no matter fucking what they do

      That's easy to fix: support paid family leave, childcare assistance, guaranteed maternity leave, promise to leave abortion rights untouched and fight AGAINST state governments that try to restrict it, stick to the small government thing enough to get the fuck out of women's wombs entirely in fact - leave that between her and her doctor, and stop fighting against letting women have ready access to birth control, make ending rape culture a goal - and that includes ensuring every rapist gets the punishment he deserves and actually BAN victim blaming as an attempted defense in court.

      Republicans have been consistently on the wrong side of every one of these issues and every now and then they go even further and pull a Todd Aiken on top of it. Those things are what is described as the war on women. You will NEVER escape that accusation unless you change on ALL those things. You cannot stop being accused of a war on women unless you stop FIGHTING one.

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    6. Re:Trump is the future by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      >The only country that says its citizens are entitled to disagree with the government,

      You are right on every part except this one - this is true in many countries and hell the USA wasn't even the first. You could argue they were the first in the modern world but only by less than 10 years since the French republic after the revolution was built on the same principles and then rapidly exported it across all Europe.

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    7. Re:Trump is the future by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly. A lot of people just aren't getting this. Trump isn't really conservative, and he's proving that many Republican voters aren't either. They don't care for the religious BS that idiots like Santorum push (like trying to ban contraceptives), and they're not for the hardline economic conservatism that "let's eliminate taxes on the billionaires" candidates like Marco advocate. They apparently don't even care much about which bathroom trans people use. They don't see the Democrats as working for them instead of the Wall Street bankers and Hollywood, and they're usually not college educated and are having a hard time with employment, so Trump is the first candidate in a long time who seems to speak for them, so that's why they're rallying around him no matter how much he flip-flops.

  12. [Yawn] by PPH · · Score: 2

    Third world problems.

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  13. But we must respect them because they're different by Trogre · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Women are property with no rights, gays should be stoned to death, people who leave the faith are executed by family members. This is what life is like in Iran since the Islamists took over. This is what Islamists want for the world.

    But for some reason you gullible westerners would rather get outraged at keeping boys out of girls toilets. You almost deserve it.

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  14. Walk a mile in my caligae by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Funny

    International, US survey, or Nautical? Statute? Roman, Italian, or Chinese?

    African, or European? No, wait... that's swallows.

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  15. Law applies to Territory - where is Instagram's? by Elixon · · Score: 2

    "The territorial principle (also territoriality principle) is a principle of public international law under which a sovereign state can prosecute criminal offences that are committed within its borders." [wikipedia]

    I would say that those women committed the picture-crime on US-based servers - no against US law. But the policemen viewing the pictures from Iran committed the immoral thing of viewing uncovered "US-based" pictures in Iran - against Iran law. I say let's sue those indecent Iranian policeman!

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  16. Re:Sure, but what about Israel? by Rei · · Score: 2

    For those on the other side of the pond who've never heard of it, the world's largest annual music competition - Eurovision - just voted a muslim woman as the winner. Of course, that was more a slam at Russia than anything else, since she's a Tatar and was singing about how the Russians ethnically cleansed her great grandmother.

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  17. Re:There was a time... by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    It wasn't that long ago that Christians were burning each other at the stake for being the wrong kind of Christian.

    It doesn't take much for religionists to regress to this kind of mentality.