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Iran Is Arresting Models Who Pose Without Headscarves On Instagram (bbc.com)
An anonymous reader writes: The Tehran cybercrimes court said the country has arrested eight people working for online modeling agencies deemed to be "un-Islamic." The women models were arrested for starring in photos on Instagram and elsewhere without wearing their headscarves, which has been required in public since 1979. A total of 170 people have been identified by investigators for being involved in online modeling, including 59 photographers and make-up artists, 58 models and 51 fashion salon managers and designers. The court's prosecutor Javad Babaei announced the the threats on TV, claiming modeling agencies accounted for about 20 percent of posts on Instagram from Iran and that they had been "making and spreading immoral and un-Islamic culture and promiscuity." He added, "We carried out this plan in 2013 with Facebook, and now Instagram is the focus."
Iran wasn't so stuck in the past. But then again we have Mein Trump today so it can happen anywhere.
Perhaps some enterprising Persian can invent headscarves that look like... hair.
All it seems to exist for is as an excuse to exercise control over people's lives, and as an excuse for violence. My philosophy? So long as you're not breaking any laws or causing anyone else harm, do whatever pleases you. Why does it have to be any different than that?
I fell for the lurid description and clicked the links, but the girls in the photos all had their scarves on :(
No, what I think a fair portion of them want is to return the United States to something like Pleasantville.
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We should make an islamic instagram app that automatically superimposes hijab/niqab on all females in a given shot. Hek it just removes all females from pics. Also it additionally gives men long beards and a unibrow for extra piety points.
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to turn the comments into a hate filled racist cesspool?
There's no reason at all for this to be here. Just because it says instagram doesn't mean it's tech news and you can troll with this crap.
Regarding theocrats, see patriarchy. In fact, I can't think of a single theocratic country that is run by women...
http://www.vox.com/2016/5/16/1...
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Cops in the US will arrest women for going topless in public. What's the difference?
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You are drawing some very unfair parallel between Trump and the Iranian theocrats. Trump has a big mouth, he is equally a jacka$$ to men as he is to women. But he is not for honor killings, stoning rape victims, etc.
Iran should think about joining the 21st century in policy and laws before they adopt 21st century technology.
If they want to live in the year 600, they shouldn't be wanting to use the internet and technology in general.
Both of those regimes are/were messed up in their own special way.
It's too bad that sheeple put up with such tyranny, in either case.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
"Race and intelligence"??, what does that have to do with anything? are you implying Iranians are stupid? Do you understand that the Iran government is an autocratic system and that they dont get elected into office? They have taken over the government through some shrewd political gymnastics and assassinations immediately after the Iranian revolution. The Iranian people would not vote for them if it was up to them. There has been countless uprising against the islamic regime and there is a strong reformist movement in iran. I think you should read some history texts instead of just chalking this up to "race and intelligence".
How about if you kiss her on the mouth?
You are welcome on my lawn.
It's all fun and games until women are literally subjugated.
http://addictinginfo.org/2014/...
You are welcome on my lawn.
Trump is the creation of people like you, that called every mild person you disagreed with Hitler, and thus were all vanquished.
You got exactly what you wanted, all of the mild people banished, and replaced by hard men and women who punch back twice as hard when challenged because it's the only way to stand up to people calling you Hitler - they obviously will not listen to reason, only louder bluster.
It's obviously what you wanted as you worked so hard for this to com to pass. Strange that you sound unhappy.
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Third world problems.
Have gnu, will travel.
Women are property with no rights, gays should be stoned to death, people who leave the faith are executed by family members. This is what life is like in Iran since the Islamists took over. This is what Islamists want for the world.
But for some reason you gullible westerners would rather get outraged at keeping boys out of girls toilets. You almost deserve it.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
He is for torturing the family members of suspected terrorists.
doesn't mean its *NOT* just as bad*
Nope, Pleasantville is WAY too liberal for them. :(
I wish I was joking.
You're going off topic here. This has nothing to do with lgbt or any of that. In fact, I believe I've seen something saying that they are jailed or executed in Iran, but that isn't the subject. It's the Iranian government fining or arresting people for posting pictures of women without head coverings.
Try to stay on subject, and not blasting out your own personal political rants on other topics. It's not a 'feminism' thread, it's a 'Iran is Violating Human Rights of Women' thread.
It's a lot more than half. They repress more than just the females.
Why do people keep making those kinds of statements? Nobody at slashdot cares and won't change what they feel like putting up just because somebody is going to question whether it should be there or not. It's even more lame than firsties.
Why would you say that is what "Islamists" want for the world? Because the news told you?
No, because the leaders of those savage countries have said it. Go look it up for yourself.
Your myopic view is worthless.
Yes it is. Again, go find out about that prison for the mind for yourself.
People below a certain class are all considered "property with no rights" (according to the simplistic definition you imply) in all present societies (that I am aware of).
No, they aren't. They really aren't.
I doubt it. "Women are property with no rights, gays should be stoned to death, people who leave the faith are executed by family members". It is exceedingly easy to find parallels for these in western society. Just because the penalty is abstracted beyond obvious death doesn't mean its just as bad, so to speak.
What the hell are you smoking? Parallels in western society? That crap is in their law. In. Their. Law.
IF what you claim is true, all that can be said of it is that "Islamist" nations people are executed by the community, and in the west people are left by the community to execute themselves.
Nice stretch there. Wait until your daughter is forced into a burqha, the girl down the street is flogged for daring to ask to attend school and bacon is off the menu in your country and then tell me again how terrible western society was in 2016.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
International, US survey, or Nautical? Statute? Roman, Italian, or Chinese?
African, or European? No, wait... that's swallows.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
I guarantee you that, all other things being equal, when men are making the decisions, the wearing of high heels as compared to flats, long hair as opposed to short, skirt and/or dress as opposed to pants, hosiery as opposed to no hosiery, makeup as opposed to no makeup, clear skin as opposed to visible tattoos... those things will in general result in more immediate hiring, faster career advancement, more pay, and better customer relations. As men's taste's change, the sorts of things one might accurately list will mutate slowly, but you'll always be able to fill it various do / don't items based on the current set of men's tastes. Because sexual attraction is a thing, and sexual plumage is a thing, and trying to separate those things from everything (anything) else is a hopeless undertaking.
So here in the USA, while no one (okay, not a lot of someones, relatively speaking) is forcing a female to dress that way, that's not the same thing at all as there being no pressure (or inclination) to dress that way.
No one says you have to answer when opportunity knocks. No one is likely to say anything. Opportunity just goes away quietly. And there is no law that can prevent this, nor will there be, until we can read minds. And if / when that happens, other problems will loom so large as to make this one seem utterly insignificant.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
I am not at all in favor of Iran's culture.
However, the fact is that "rights" are those local things (generally nationally local) that someone is willing to put force behind to ensure. They are not some inherent, holy set of things that descend with banners waving and gilded choirs singing, no matter what anyone tries to tell you or wants to think.
Further to that, national borders put an extremely hard stop between what one set of willing enforcers will defend, and what other sets of willing enforcers will defend.
When said levels of defense are limited to articles in foreign press and hand-waving on Internet discussion forums, the odds of changing anyone's mind about any of this are approximately equal to the effects of contrary opinions across a Democrat / Republican divide. Which is to say, scarce to none.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
If a female goes outside in the USA (and many other places) without a top on, you'll get to see repression of an exactly similar nature.
Probably shouldn't be feeling all that superior to Iran, really.
Just a matter of degree.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Yes, but also in Manhattan, there's this.
And of course there's that whole "can't show up without your ladyparts / manparts covered" feature of our society as well. And this "you have have sex for free, but you can't sell it" bit. And the "you can drink your liver into oblivion, but you can't smoke pot" thing. And so on.
We're plenty good at oppressing our citizens. But, just like Islamists, we have... "reasons." So it's okay.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
The Sunnis are aghast!
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
No, we must "respect" them because they helped us destroy Russia's oil market (and their little Venezuela, too!). Now, let's see how long their gold lasts... BWAAAAHAHAHA...
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
He added, "We carried out this plan in 1013 with Facebook"
FTFY.
Oppression of the adult, informed individual is bad. If it's wrong, it's wrong. You don't get a pass because you're not quite as much of an asshole about it. Nor if there are other areas where you are just as bad, or worse.
The US exerts oppressive coercion - which is another way to say violence - across a long list of issues that bear upon informed personal and consensual choice. Some of them with huge official penalties, some with less. Any that have legal consequences echo strongly into other parts of life, such as employment, acceptability as a tenant, where you can go to school (and who you have to tell), that sort of thing.
Insofar as there is a defensible intellectual path for where the government should step in, it always comes down quite precisely to informed, personal or consensual choice. Only a legal system that actually has that straightened out has any leg to stand on when it comes to issues like these (and that would not be the USA.) As to whether a country with that well in hand (I'm not aware of any, someone might be so kind as to point it / them out if such exists at this point in time) has any right to impose that upon another country... that's a very nasty can of worms. Best you can do without effectively inviting them to change your own rules and regulations is to restrict trade, tourism and immigration.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Have you missed the reports of the total surveillance state? Have you not bothered to imagine the possible uses of this data? Have you not bothered to draw any judgements accordingly?
Do you not see the racial and economic discrimination in the justice system?
Do you not see the media inundating our children with violence and sexuality?
What does the law matter? Life is a function of society and law is but a subset. One civilization may manifest directives in law, another may manifest them in culture, yet the directives may be very similar if not fundamentally identical.
Perhaps you live comfortably and close your eyes to tyranny, but others are still suffering without hope.
The great failure of the middle class is in their proclivity for assumption about the lives of others. They have the resources to find out the unseen the truth, yet do not use them. They have the experience to feel the truth, yet choose to forget it. And so all hope for freedom dies in their hands unheeded.
Most people have no hope to truly contribute to society, to make anything original or innovative. They have no opportunity because they are not nurtured with resources and discipline. The lower class receives only discipline, and the middle class receives only resources. A similar scheme is found everywhere. Within the fundamentals, the discipline enforced by "islamists" and the west is the same: unconstructive pruning of behavior to keep the commoners in line with the interests of their rulers.
Irrational belief is often not compatible with classical liberal perspectives.. Good luck finding one.
"I don't want to be downmodded for my animalistic defense display but NANANANA you're wrong *stomps on ground and throws things*"
In fact, Iran is in an odd position. They'd rather that homosexuals get 50% free sex changes.
Oddly, that's the most progressive policy on the planet next to folks serving life in California. But California is a silly place, not unlike Camelot.
is being scrubbed out of existence and re-reasoned, as it would truly be scoffed at.
I've looked for links to what I know so if I ever brought it up I had a citation, yet to no avail. My only source is a National Geographic two cartridge VHS set titled ISLAM that I checked out of the library many years ago. The title might be different I just remember that the word ISLAM was in large bold letters, and how I read it's title, (inside ISLAM?)...
I won't post the story without any available backup source (the cleansing is working). Only that it's worn so the bad angels won't lust after their women, as it had caused a major problem earlier.
We need to define "common" though. Here, since this is a US election, the common is US citizens. We aren't electing a pope or a UN official. The common does not include people from Syria or Mexico.
"Why would you say that is what "Islamists" want for the world? Because the news told you?"
Well in my case it's because people I know who escaped and emmigrated as refugees shared with me some of the scary shit that's about in those places. Is that good enough for you, or do you need a signed confession from their president (who is better than the last guy but still scary). Basically if you're not Muslim your life isn't worth 2c. In reality it seems that many Muslims in that situation are such because it's safer to "keep faith", but the hardliners are very dangerous and twisted people.
"The territorial principle (also territoriality principle) is a principle of public international law under which a sovereign state can prosecute criminal offences that are committed within its borders." [wikipedia]
I would say that those women committed the picture-crime on US-based servers - no against US law. But the policemen viewing the pictures from Iran committed the immoral thing of viewing uncovered "US-based" pictures in Iran - against Iran law. I say let's sue those indecent Iranian policeman!
Well, I've got to get back to work. When I stop rowing, the slave ship just goes in circles.
I thought the Religious Police could no longer arrest people. Was that reversed?
Perhaps some states could hire those guys to prevent people from entering the 'wrong' bathroom...
USA is lead by Obama, isn't it?
Seriously, Turkey is reasonably western and always was. Yes, it is pretty dim if you look at it from hippie western point of view, but it is a star of personal freedom compared to most other Muslim countries. At least it was since https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..., it seems to be degrading in few last years from what I have heard.
For those on the other side of the pond who've never heard of it, the world's largest annual music competition - Eurovision - just voted a muslim woman as the winner. Of course, that was more a slam at Russia than anything else, since she's a Tatar and was singing about how the Russians ethnically cleansed her great grandmother.
Monkeywrench Ex Machina.
I saw this news earlier on Google News and Yahoo! News and some other places. No offense but, is this really Slashdot relevant? It's interesting news, sure, but what is still separating Slashdot from any other news website anymore?
Not really but it mentions instagram so it's fair game.
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"Women are property with no rights, gays should be stoned to death, people who leave the faith are executed by family members". It is exceedingly easy to find parallels for these in western society.
Where are the parallels for stoning gays and family executions? We have almost universal equal rights for all and it's only getting more so (despite some individuals opposition)
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Why would you say that is what "Islamists" want for the world?
It's what Muslims want for the world. Sharia law as set down in the Qur'an and Hadiths.
Here, women are totally free to control their hair
...just not their own reproductive organs. On that point, US conservatives and Islamic Courts are in total agreement.
I know some Muslim women - including some from Iran - at my work. They choose to wear the Hijab here in the states, even though the US is their home. I've asked some of them about it and they've been open about their thoughts on the matter. One thing that surprised me to learn is that in Iran there is no hard set rule of "you must wear the hijab if you are at least X years old" or anything of the sort - aside from a loose guideline of 18. The Iranian I speak with most often (I share an office with her) decided to start wearing a Hijab around age 12.
More to the point though, those that wear it see it as an important part of their faith - being humble in front of Allah. Some Christians wear a cross, some Jews wear a Yarmulke, some Muslims wear a Hijab. I've also noticed that a lot of Hijabs are being worn a bit further back on the top of the head, allowing the women to show some of their hair on purpose.
Iran is certainly an alien place to Americans but the Hijab is not necessarily a terrible thing.
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Mock the law, women in Iran and around the world should shave their heads in protest. If you're in a western country wear an armband so that people know why.
>Insulting a woman doesn't make you a woman hater.
If the insult is based on an innate experience of womenhood then yes, that's exactly what it makes you.
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Actually - that sounded mostly like Orwell. It could have come straight out of "The theory and practice of oligarchical collectivism" - which in case you were wondering was a book within the book 1984 about what makes autocratic communism fail to be socialism and in fact turn into a complete disaster.
Actually, you should just read 1984. Then learn that Orwel hated capitalists even MORE than he hated communists, and that he actually fought for the anarcho-socialists in the Spanish revolution - and then read the book again, and you may even understand it.
The point of 1984 is that what the Soviet Union turned into - was never a consequence of it's economic system, but of the rise of absolute power and the surveillance capabilities to enforce that power. His point was that a capitalist Soviet Union would look IDENTICAL to how the communist one looked.
He was right about that. And the USA is very rapidly turning into that vision.
There is just one thing he didn't realize - because he lived in a time when that didn't seem possible anymore - which is that government and corporations would be complicit in the enslavement of man, not one or the other, not fighting each other over power, but the combination of both as an alliance of tyranny. This happened in the early past, the three first corporations to ever exist also had the three biggest armies in the world at the time and actually ruled (as the official governments) more than two thirds of the world between them, with the blessings and support of their home governments. By the 20th century, it looked like corporations would never be THAT powerful again. Today, that exact same pattern is emerging once again.
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>for stoning gays
Never heard of gaybashing ? It is STILL a common practice.
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Turkey, Indonesia, India, Pakistan... actually MOST countries with Muslim majorities have fairly good track records on human rights (at least, no worst than America). The only ones where this kind of terrible shit happens is where theocrats got themselves made government, when theocrats make the law it is always only a matter of time before only the crazy theocrats get to make the laws.
And historically - everytime theocrats got into power in the Christian west, the outcome was exactly the same. How short our memories are that we think it's a particularly Islamic syndrome, nah, it's just been a while since anybody actually let Christian theocrats have real power, when they did - they were just as bad and if they were to gain it tomorrow they would be just as bad again.
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Women are property with no rights, gays should be stoned to death, people who leave the faith are executed by family members. This is what life is like in Iran since the Islamists took over. This is what Islamists want for the world.
But for some reason you gullible westerners would rather get outraged at keeping boys out of girls toilets. You almost deserve it.
Why do you think that people can only be bothered by one thing?
I agree that treatment of women as property, etc., is horrible. I also think that we should continue trying to improve the treatment of women and minorities (including LGBT, and Muslims) in our own country. Why should I have to pick only one? And, frankly, I think we have much more opportunity and even obligation to address the problems in our own country than to fix the problems in other countries, so if I do have to pick only one, I'll focus my efforts where I have a greater chance of doing some good... and where my effort or lack thereof will directly affect me.
During the Cold War there appeared to be real reason to be concerned about a foreign entity destroying our nation and remaking us in its own image. There is no fear of that today. At worst the horrors in the Middle East will spill over on us in the form of a few terror attacks (though that seems less of a worry now that the region is so wrapped up in its own internal conflicts), or we'll get some refugees who have a hard time adapting. We can easily absorb both unless we choose to damage ourselves, as we clearly did after 9/11.
>for stoning gays
Never heard of gaybashing ? It is STILL a common practice.
I've heard of it as in verbal and even physical abuse sometimes, less and less so as the world becomes more accepting and people stop giving a shit about inconsequential stuff that doesn't affect them. But still it's no where near codified murder in a most particularly brutal method. Yes some people are homophobes and some even go as far as to kill but it's still illegal, punishable by law and not accepted by society on the whole.
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Political disagreement is not hate.
Lazily calling every stance you disagree with, but are incapable of arguing against "hate" is stupidity, though.
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Obviously, it you disagree with me, it's because you hate me! (I'm pretty sure my teenage daughter uses that same logic...)
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Which makes sense if you really believe abortion is murder.
This is what you call 'being indoctrinated into a cult' - it's the same reason that someone converting to Judaism "wants" to cut off some of their penis.
Uh have you missed the "family dysfunction" phenomenon? Pervasive single parenthood? ETC??????
The real problem is that we have here people with no tolerance for anything different from themselves unless the state tells them to accept it. People who completely define their identity from a media-mandated template. Robots. Machines made of flesh that are incapable of asking meaningful questions because of their constant distraction with simple pleasures.
What "rights" can such people really have? They have no self-interest, only the illusion of it. All they want is to fit in and they will make a compromise in any category if asked. Just as long is the loss can be assuaged by a flood of meaningless pleasure.
This is western society.
Religion is just a popular cult, cult an unpopular religion. What's your point? They all have their rituals. You could argue that the current "atheists" (I use that because they have bastardized the meaning of the word itself) have their own rituals as well.
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As a good citizen, I feel it is my duty to offer my home as asylum to International models everywhere.