Upon reading your strongly worded reply I proceeded to buy return tickets to india. You have shown me the way and the force of your argument is shaking me to my core.
regards,
Terrified H1B programmer
Government increasing the supply of workers via a guest visa program is the exact opposite of a free market.
H1B Indians are growing in numbers exponentially not because the government is feeling charitable and deciding to rescue them; this is not a refugee resettlement program. The number of H1B programmers is increasing because corporations are heavily lobbying Washington to increase quotas. The driving force is the free market. Nobody likes brown immigrants, i know because I am one, but at least the H1B ones are here because there is a demand for them. Not every brown person in America is here purely on the basis of the generosity of the white man.
And as for hurting American workers. This is completely false at least in the tech industry. I live in Silicon Valley and if you show me a white American with a CS degree with even the most average coding skills who can not find a job here I will give him my job and go back to my own country. There is such a huge demand for jobs here and so many jobs cant go to people like me because they need security clearance that can only be granted to a good ole blue blooded American.
The H1Bs are here not because companies are trying to screw the noble American man, its because there are so many damns jobs and not enough people to fill them!
Americans like to bitch and feel righteous indignation and bemoan the evils of immigrants; it's a national pastime. They beat their chests in anger now that tides of the free market dynamics have turned on them, but they used to be all too happy to reap in the benefits when it worked the other way. What happened to meritocracy ? If H1B workers are giving the companies a better bargain then that is what the free market demands.
This reminds me of the Gangs of New York and how the locals were beating up new immigrants. It's America just repeating.
As an Iranian who lives in Canada I have had my fair share of run-ins with the great computer scientists at the CBP. I remember I was coming to the US from Canada in 2008 to attend a conference in Florida and I was selected for a "random" search. I had the poster for the paper that I was presenting with me and the officer asked me to roll the poster open and explain it to her! She even asked a few semi-intelligent questions about it!
I am a long time slashdotter and a H1B engineer in Silicon Valley (and I am a brown dude). Honestly for the last two years the only reason i come back is due to some masochistic tendency that I probably have for reading angry/racist rhetoric directed at people like me.
You often hear them talk about how awful Indian engineers are and you read loads of comments about them talking about how they had to teach an Indian engineer how to turn on a computer etc etc. It is pretty ugly. All this in spite of the fact that so many CEOs and entrepreneurs in the bay area are Indian.
Anyhoo, dont come here if racism bothers you, go out there and do great work. These internet forums are filled with people who feel increasingly irrelevant and angry. The demented racist techies crawl in these forums like fungus.
I am Iranian and I grew up in an Islamic country (although I moved to Canada at the age of 16).
I remember getting arrested for such egregious crimes as:
1) having long hair
2) talking to girls
3) one time just hanging out at a park with a group of friends! no girls this time.
I got slapped around at the age of 15 by one of these "religion enforcement police" goons because he accused me of being gay because I had long hair (what??). They took me to jail and I was there till 3 AM and only after my mother begged and pleaded with them would they let me go. It was really hard watching my mother cry while surrounded by a bunch of goons. I had it relatively easy, but these Muslim fanatics have inflicted immeasurable suffering on so many young people in Iran/Saudi Arabia...
Anyways, the problem IS Islam, and shame on you for saying he is racist. People like you confuse the issue due to their own ignorance.
H
I agree that this is bs. Another reason i think this is fake is that he is supposed to make a 95k salary in the Bay area and he was able to save 200k in 6 years. NO way that is possible. I work in the bay area and I make more than this guy and i cant save even close to this amount. This is saving of more than 33k a year on a very low salary (by Bay standards) of 95k. No way jose.
H
This isnt a "whites versus idiots" issue; its "non-idiots versus idiots" one. I'm not even close to being white (from a third world country, and brown AF) and i find the idea that google should somehow PC-police their search results preposterous.
There are legitimate race issues, why take caricature examples like this and decide based on them that there can never be a rational discussion around race? The winning move for whites, as well as with others, is to call out BS when they see it (like this example) and yet stay engaged in real problems that do in fact affect people everyday.
H
I think a lot of people here dont seem to understand deep learning. It is NOT a database lookup and it is NOT memorizing data. This is a major shift in how pattern recognition works.
Of course, it is not "AI" as in general purpose intelligence, it is still just recognizing faces and speeches. It's just a very effective tool.
H
Back in the day having linux on your desktop made you cool and counterculture, now its having windows on your phone.
You sell-out enjoy your functioning android/iphones, I'm ordering me a windows phone to stand up to The Man.
Long live the revolution!
H
I hope in my next life I am born as a pretty Caucasian chick from a rich family who gets to go to Stanford. This way people will buy whatever bull$hit comes out of my mouth, no matter how ridiculous it sounds.
I'm a brown person and I find this utterly ridiculous (yes, H1B visa and all, please dont curb-stomp me, I have 2 kids).
However, the bigger issue of how people in Asia/Africa define beauty is an important cultural issue. Currently there is a lot of soul searching going on and people of color are trying to define their own standards of beauty which have so far been largely dictated by the West. That is not so much due to some racist conspiracy but because western countries are richer and so their fashion/media companies are at the forefront of their field and they get to have a bigger say in how everyone defines beauty.
But i think this should be an internal dialogue and people of color shouldn't directed anger at the West, that is not helping anyone. Also people who get outraged at things like this only discredit a legitimate issue. We (colored folk) end up focusing our efforts in being outraged at "the man" and white folk get to caricaturize something that is culturally important to a very large number of people.
However, as everyone says, this article is idiotic. People who are mad at snapchat have too much time on their hands.
H
Good point, but for some reason Islamists love social media. The "top brass" in ISIS spend half their times posting on twitter/instagram. I think there is a teenage girl inside every fundamentalist waiting to come out.
"Race and intelligence"??, what does that have to do with anything? are you implying Iranians are stupid? Do you understand that the Iran government is an autocratic system and that they dont get elected into office? They have taken over the government through some shrewd political gymnastics and assassinations immediately after the Iranian revolution. The Iranian people would not vote for them if it was up to them. There has been countless uprising against the islamic regime and there is a strong reformist movement in iran.
I think you should read some history texts instead of just chalking this up to "race and intelligence".
You are drawing some very unfair parallel between Trump and the Iranian theocrats. Trump has a big mouth, he is equally a jacka$$ to men as he is to women. But he is not for honor killings, stoning rape victims, etc.
Most enterprising Persians have escaped Iran and are living somewhere in California now, and they couldnt give less of a F@#% about what happens back home.
We should make an islamic instagram app that automatically superimposes hijab/niqab on all females in a given shot. Hek it just removes all females from pics. Also it additionally gives men long beards and a unibrow for extra piety points.
H
Technology moves up in bursts and I believe right now we are going through one of these growth spurts mainly because of the new strides in the field of machine learning. Deep Learning algorithms are now opening some interesting venues that weren't there before. Soon commodity AI tools will be ubiquitous and you'll see a new era where we can incorporate Machine learning into many applications. Autonomous Navigation is one of the results of this machine learning revolution and soon we will see a lot more.
H
Find a small problem that you are in fact facing in your day to day life, and write code that would solve it. Code has to solve real-world problems and there is nothing more satisfying than writing code that solves an actual problem.
For example, write a "HELLO WORLD" program; and make it run at boot time, voila!
H
I agree, but when thousands of top notch engineers lose their jobs, its not good for anyone. Tech wages will become stagnant and finding a job becomes harder. Right now there are 12000 former intel employees that you have to compete with when you want to get a new job.
False equivalency there my friend. Guns are made to destroy another person, porn/pepsi/cigs are made to give YOU a break from your busy day.
Nice job slipping "guns" in there though.
H
Slashdot Mirror
Upon reading your strongly worded reply I proceeded to buy return tickets to india. You have shown me the way and the force of your argument is shaking me to my core.
regards,
Terrified H1B programmer
Government increasing the supply of workers via a guest visa program is the exact opposite of a free market.
H1B Indians are growing in numbers exponentially not because the government is feeling charitable and deciding to rescue them; this is not a refugee resettlement program. The number of H1B programmers is increasing because corporations are heavily lobbying Washington to increase quotas. The driving force is the free market. Nobody likes brown immigrants, i know because I am one, but at least the H1B ones are here because there is a demand for them. Not every brown person in America is here purely on the basis of the generosity of the white man.
And as for hurting American workers. This is completely false at least in the tech industry. I live in Silicon Valley and if you show me a white American with a CS degree with even the most average coding skills who can not find a job here I will give him my job and go back to my own country. There is such a huge demand for jobs here and so many jobs cant go to people like me because they need security clearance that can only be granted to a good ole blue blooded American.
The H1Bs are here not because companies are trying to screw the noble American man, its because there are so many damns jobs and not enough people to fill them!
Americans like to bitch and feel righteous indignation and bemoan the evils of immigrants; it's a national pastime. They beat their chests in anger now that tides of the free market dynamics have turned on them, but they used to be all too happy to reap in the benefits when it worked the other way. What happened to meritocracy ? If H1B workers are giving the companies a better bargain then that is what the free market demands. This reminds me of the Gangs of New York and how the locals were beating up new immigrants. It's America just repeating.
As an Iranian who lives in Canada I have had my fair share of run-ins with the great computer scientists at the CBP. I remember I was coming to the US from Canada in 2008 to attend a conference in Florida and I was selected for a "random" search. I had the poster for the paper that I was presenting with me and the officer asked me to roll the poster open and explain it to her! She even asked a few semi-intelligent questions about it!
You often hear them talk about how awful Indian engineers are and you read loads of comments about them talking about how they had to teach an Indian engineer how to turn on a computer etc etc. It is pretty ugly. All this in spite of the fact that so many CEOs and entrepreneurs in the bay area are Indian.
Anyhoo, dont come here if racism bothers you, go out there and do great work. These internet forums are filled with people who feel increasingly irrelevant and angry. The demented racist techies crawl in these forums like fungus.
You honestly think guns are the problem? America has a race relations problem which is made worse by the gun problem.
veery insightfool comment, commanderrr Goose from the Third Royal Russian Web Brigade.
I am Iranian and I grew up in an Islamic country (although I moved to Canada at the age of 16). I remember getting arrested for such egregious crimes as: 1) having long hair 2) talking to girls 3) one time just hanging out at a park with a group of friends! no girls this time. I got slapped around at the age of 15 by one of these "religion enforcement police" goons because he accused me of being gay because I had long hair (what??). They took me to jail and I was there till 3 AM and only after my mother begged and pleaded with them would they let me go. It was really hard watching my mother cry while surrounded by a bunch of goons. I had it relatively easy, but these Muslim fanatics have inflicted immeasurable suffering on so many young people in Iran/Saudi Arabia... Anyways, the problem IS Islam, and shame on you for saying he is racist. People like you confuse the issue due to their own ignorance. H
I agree that this is bs. Another reason i think this is fake is that he is supposed to make a 95k salary in the Bay area and he was able to save 200k in 6 years. NO way that is possible. I work in the bay area and I make more than this guy and i cant save even close to this amount. This is saving of more than 33k a year on a very low salary (by Bay standards) of 95k. No way jose.
H
This isnt a "whites versus idiots" issue; its "non-idiots versus idiots" one. I'm not even close to being white (from a third world country, and brown AF) and i find the idea that google should somehow PC-police their search results preposterous. There are legitimate race issues, why take caricature examples like this and decide based on them that there can never be a rational discussion around race? The winning move for whites, as well as with others, is to call out BS when they see it (like this example) and yet stay engaged in real problems that do in fact affect people everyday.
H
I think a lot of people here dont seem to understand deep learning. It is NOT a database lookup and it is NOT memorizing data. This is a major shift in how pattern recognition works. Of course, it is not "AI" as in general purpose intelligence, it is still just recognizing faces and speeches. It's just a very effective tool.
H
Back in the day having linux on your desktop made you cool and counterculture, now its having windows on your phone. You sell-out enjoy your functioning android/iphones, I'm ordering me a windows phone to stand up to The Man.
Long live the revolution!
H
I hope in my next life I am born as a pretty Caucasian chick from a rich family who gets to go to Stanford. This way people will buy whatever bull$hit comes out of my mouth, no matter how ridiculous it sounds.
I'm a brown person and I find this utterly ridiculous (yes, H1B visa and all, please dont curb-stomp me, I have 2 kids). However, the bigger issue of how people in Asia/Africa define beauty is an important cultural issue. Currently there is a lot of soul searching going on and people of color are trying to define their own standards of beauty which have so far been largely dictated by the West. That is not so much due to some racist conspiracy but because western countries are richer and so their fashion/media companies are at the forefront of their field and they get to have a bigger say in how everyone defines beauty. But i think this should be an internal dialogue and people of color shouldn't directed anger at the West, that is not helping anyone. Also people who get outraged at things like this only discredit a legitimate issue. We (colored folk) end up focusing our efforts in being outraged at "the man" and white folk get to caricaturize something that is culturally important to a very large number of people. However, as everyone says, this article is idiotic. People who are mad at snapchat have too much time on their hands. H
Good point, but for some reason Islamists love social media. The "top brass" in ISIS spend half their times posting on twitter/instagram. I think there is a teenage girl inside every fundamentalist waiting to come out.
"Race and intelligence"??, what does that have to do with anything? are you implying Iranians are stupid? Do you understand that the Iran government is an autocratic system and that they dont get elected into office? They have taken over the government through some shrewd political gymnastics and assassinations immediately after the Iranian revolution. The Iranian people would not vote for them if it was up to them. There has been countless uprising against the islamic regime and there is a strong reformist movement in iran. I think you should read some history texts instead of just chalking this up to "race and intelligence".
You are drawing some very unfair parallel between Trump and the Iranian theocrats. Trump has a big mouth, he is equally a jacka$$ to men as he is to women. But he is not for honor killings, stoning rape victims, etc.
Most enterprising Persians have escaped Iran and are living somewhere in California now, and they couldnt give less of a F@#% about what happens back home.
But in iran this idea is codified in the legal system, its not a fringe idea expressed by a weirdo on an internet forum. That's the difference.
We should make an islamic instagram app that automatically superimposes hijab/niqab on all females in a given shot. Hek it just removes all females from pics. Also it additionally gives men long beards and a unibrow for extra piety points.
H
Technology moves up in bursts and I believe right now we are going through one of these growth spurts mainly because of the new strides in the field of machine learning. Deep Learning algorithms are now opening some interesting venues that weren't there before. Soon commodity AI tools will be ubiquitous and you'll see a new era where we can incorporate Machine learning into many applications. Autonomous Navigation is one of the results of this machine learning revolution and soon we will see a lot more. H
Find a small problem that you are in fact facing in your day to day life, and write code that would solve it. Code has to solve real-world problems and there is nothing more satisfying than writing code that solves an actual problem. For example, write a "HELLO WORLD" program; and make it run at boot time, voila! H
amen!
I agree, but when thousands of top notch engineers lose their jobs, its not good for anyone. Tech wages will become stagnant and finding a job becomes harder. Right now there are 12000 former intel employees that you have to compete with when you want to get a new job.
False equivalency there my friend. Guns are made to destroy another person, porn/pepsi/cigs are made to give YOU a break from your busy day. Nice job slipping "guns" in there though. H