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Australia Engineers Set New Solar Energy World Record With 34.5% Sunlight To Energy Efficiency (unsw.edu.au)

An anonymous reader writes: Australian engineers have edged closer to the theoretical limits of sunlight-to-electricity conversion by photovoltaic cells with a device that sets a new world efficiency record. A new solar cell configuration developed by engineers at the University of New South Wales has pushed sunlight-to-electricity conversion efficiency to 34.5% -- establishing a new world record for unfocused sunlight and nudging closer to the theoretical limits for such a device. The record was set using a 28-cm2 four-junction mini-module -- embedded in a prism -- that extracts the maximum energy from sunlight. It does this by splitting the incoming rays into four bands, using a hybrid four-junction receiver to squeeze even more electricity from each beam of sunlight.

110 comments

  1. I love a sunburnt country! by Ann+O'Nymous-Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Bloody good onyaz! Big ups, UNSW! :D

    1. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While progress on efficiency is nice, the important criteria is watts/$, not watts/m^2. We have plenty of space on rooftops, over parking lots, and in deserts. But we need to continue to bring down the cost.

    2. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by ComputerGeek01 · · Score: 1

      Or they could sell to a market where energy density is an important factor; like say LEO satellite manufacturers, solar powered vehicles, those portable road signs used by construction crews etc. For the life of me I will never be able to guess why the author thought that this was useful to static buildings. This is miniaturization which benefits mobile appliances.

    3. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by Nationless · · Score: 2

      I'd imagine watts/m^2 very quickly turns into watts/$ when it comes to maintaining ever larger fields of panels.

      When exactly one is more valuable to research than the other is up so some particularly smart person to work out (not me), but both aspects are valuable to improve over the long term.

      Not to mention this has a direct impact on raw materials required to produce said panels.

    4. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is correct, but watt/m^2 is highly correlated with watt/$, because installation and maintenance costs already dominate the cost of the panels, and those costs are correlated with the total area of the panels. Higher efficiency panels are cheaper to install and keep clean. As the cost of panels drops further, you might naively think that efficiency doesn't matter: With panels so cheap, you'll just buy more. In reality efficiency becomes more important as the cost of the panels becomes irrelevant.

    5. Re: I love a sunburnt country! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But we need to continue to bring down the oil lobbying.

      Fixed

    6. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      Oh, there's only one important criteria, and it's cost, not efficiency? Thanks for setting the world of R&D straight, ShanghaiBill.

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    7. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Or they could sell to a market where energy density is an important factor; like say LEO satellite manufacturers

      Hardly. For space applications, the current optimum is the OrbitalATK's breed of lightweight, flexible, foldable solar panels, not some sort of a heavy prism-based beam-splitting contraption.

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    8. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      In the US, perhaps. In most parts of the world, however, your economic gains from higher-efficiency panels are going to be negative, and this is going to stay that way for quite some time.

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    9. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Mod down parent please. He knows too much.

    10. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      In the US, perhaps. In most parts of the world, however, your economic gains from higher-efficiency panels are going to be negative, and this is going to stay that way for quite some time.

      What? I have heard of American Exceptionalism, but do basic economic principles really work differently in America? Why would better solar panels have negative economic consequences anywhere, other than a few gas exporting countries (Russia would be the biggest loser)?

    11. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No it's not. You've spent $12k installing a solar system on your house. The marginal cost of adding anther 10 panels is very low. Another 2 hours of labor.

    12. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Because the US has some outrageously high price points regarding installation and permitting costs. Meaning that using fewer, more efficient panels could actually accomplish some savings in the US but probably not anywhere else. If your "better solar panels" cost twice as much per Watt as the ordinary ones, in most places, such as in my country, where installing 30 kW of panels costs $3000 whereas the panels themselves cost $20k, reducing the installation costs from $3000 to $2000 at the cost of spending extra $10k-$20k on your "better solar panels" makes no sense whatsoever (unless you're really lacking roof space).

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    13. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by cnaumann · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The important criteria is no longer watts/$. It is storage.

    14. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Because the US has some outrageously high price points regarding installation and permitting costs.

      I was quoted $30k to install solar on my roof, and $15k of that was for installation, permitting, and administration, which seemed ridiculously expensive. I didn't realize that other countries have better control over those extraneous costs.

    15. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I'd imagine watts/m^2 very quickly turns into watts/$ when it comes to maintaining ever larger fields of panels.

      This is what a big solar plant looks like, does it look like land comes at a premium? As for people, you power 80000 households with 80 permanent jobs, one of their new projects is 90000 households with 35 permanent jobs. For the most part they just sit there, it's probably cheaper to just let them gather dust for the most part and even a small improvement in reliability probably means much more than watts/m^2. Doesn't matter if you get a little lower efficiency, you really do make it up on volume.

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    16. Re: I love a sunburnt country! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Improving the watts/m2 has a tendency to also improve the watts/$

      Sadly though, the biggest line-item in a solar install is now the installation labor. The panels are no longer the biggest cost. Wholesale pricing for panels is approaching $0.50USD/W.

    17. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by tlambert · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While progress on efficiency is nice, the important criteria is watts/$, not watts/m^2. We have plenty of space on rooftops, over parking lots, and in deserts. But we need to continue to bring down the cost.

      You obviously do not live in the Bay Area.

      You can't lie the solar panels flat (they have to be angled), and if you have a flat roof, that means building up at least framing. Much of the roof space in the San Francisco Bay Area is flat.

      More framing means more $/watt, so an improvement in watts/m^2 is an area squared improvement in cost.

      In my personal area, mid-peninsula, I don't have enough usable roof area to hit break-even with the current panels SolarCity is trying to get people to buy for them so they can sell the property owners their electricity. A more efficient panel and two "power walls" would solve this break-even problem for me, but it turns out that once you are locked into a contract, they will not replace the panels, other than as a result of maintenance, for the next 20 years.

      A more efficient panel would be a godsend, but until it happens, I'm either buying my electricity from both SolarCity and PG&E, or just from PG&E, and the up front cost amortized over 20 years of time value of money actually makes PG&E the cheaper option (for now).

      Note that for rental properties, you might be talking 3 families in a 3 story building, and you have to fit the panels for everyone on the roof area that's pretty narrow, and pretty built upward already. I know of a large number of properties in the Inner Sunset and up towards the Outer Richmond, Sea Cliff, and Richmond districts that literally *can't* install solar panels without a zoning variance. It would make the building too tall to build the angle racks, or roof over the flat roofs with angled roofs, instead -- since the Solar providers won't guarantee against roof leaks, with an angled panel install, anyway.

      No, solar is far from a solved problem, and increased energy density helps a lot more in dense areas than putting a lot of panels *everywhere* in a relatively limited area.

    18. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by tlambert · · Score: 1

      In the US, perhaps. In most parts of the world, however, your economic gains from higher-efficiency panels are going to be negative, and this is going to stay that way for quite some time.

      There's not a chance in hell that they are going to replace picturesque roofs in most of Europe, or sod roofs in the rural UK, with shiny, black, gridded, The Matrix-like solar panels.

      Can you imagine putting angled roofs and black solar panels on all the buildings on Santorini? It would be fugly enough to drive away the residents, let alone the tourist trade.

    19. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by Ferretman · · Score: 1

      Yes, this!

      Batteries are the most expensive and least reliable part of the whole mess.

      Ferret

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    20. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by suutar · · Score: 1

      I agree with your points, but I think I'm missing a step in your math. Wouldn't framing be more $/m^2, instead of more $/watt?

      Certainly, better efficiency (more w/m^2) results in less area given a constant load and therefore less framing and less money for framing, but I don't see how you get "area squared" savings...

    21. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by dwywit · · Score: 1

      I recently was quoted $AUD28,000 for a full installation. Very little of that was *not* hardware.

      The poor guy musn't have heard me properly -
      "Our agent is in your area this week, would you like an obligation-free quote?"
      "Sure, do you do off-grid?"
      "We haven't encountered many people off-grid, what's it like?" - first alarm bell
      "Well, It's been working pretty well for a while now but it's time to replace some of my older panels. Could you give me a quote on say, six panels, some electrical work to replace incandescents with drop-in LEDs, and as my batteries are in their autumn years, the price of a new set of lead-acid cells, say 1500ah?"
      "Sure, see you next week"

      I ended up with a quote for a turn-key system, dumping and replacing all the existing panels, controllers and inverter, and batteries.

      "What do you think"

      "Nice, but it's not what I asked for"

      I asked my existing supplier about it and he just about panicked. Turns out the manufacturer of the inverter (SMA) and batteries (LG Chem) has said "No warranty for off-grid installations" - those particular models are grid-connect only.

      Anyway, $15K for installation/permits/administration? Someone's getting rich stamping paperwork.

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    22. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by dwywit · · Score: 1

      Apart from your other issues,
      "the Solar providers won't guarantee against roof leaks, with an angled panel install, anyway."

      is sheer sloppiness. My panels are on a framework, and there's never been a leak from that. I suspect they just don't want to use the slightly more costly waterproof fasteners.

      Smaller panels for a given output would be a boon. You'll be able to fit panels where you previously couldn't due to space and mechanical constraints.

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    23. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by BradMajors · · Score: 1

      watts/m^2 is more important than watts/$ for many applications such as those in space. The article did not mention which type of applications, if any, are targeted.

    24. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      On satellites, watts/m2 is very important.

    25. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haven't been to Germany lately, I take it?

      http://discovermagazine.com/~/...

      Hey, it beats looking at a brown coal strip mining site.

    26. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by dbIII · · Score: 1

      No phone towers either?

    27. Re: I love a sunburnt country! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, on satellites it's W/kg that is important.

    28. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by blindseer · · Score: 1

      If we have cheap, reliable, and plentiful storage then why bother with solar power?

      I'm not trying to be flippant here but if storage technology is necessary for solar power to "win" then can solar power ever be viable? There are numerous energy sources available to us that have limitations like solar power that prevent them from becoming a primary energy source that energy storage could solve.

      Any power plant that relies on boiling water has the problem of matching demand, or load following. This is inherent to steam systems but we use steam because it is very efficient and cheap. If we mate this with storage systems then we have something that is cheap, efficient, and can load follow. Take your pick on what is heating the water, nuclear, ("clean") coal, or natural gas, we'd get reduced carbon output and lower prices by running the power plant at an optimal level and use storage to even out the load.

      Wind is already cheaper then solar and is not nearly as dependent on location but could gain heavily with energy storage. Solar power is great in the American Southwest but in places like Alaska solar power is nearly useless but the wind still blows.

      While I can agree that storage is nearly necessary for solar power to be more than a niche power source I find it curious that people fail to grasp what energy storage systems would mean if applied to other energy sources. Wind, nuclear, and natural gas have all played a large part in our energy grid and in the reduction of carbon output. If we find a means to get cheap and reliable energy storage then why bother with expensive and intermittent solar when we can just use more wind, nuclear, and natural gas? This can also apply to other carbon free energy sources like tidal, geothermal, and perhaps others.

      In short, I believe that solar has more to lose than gain from cheap storage technologies.

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    29. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Both is also really cool and in reality you sought of need to do them separately and bring them back together in a compromise solution to achieve the greatest cost efficiency. Of course someone often makes a break through and some else adds to that and wham everyone else;'s production facility goes tit's up. New industries take quite a while to settle and solar energy and storage seem to be on the verge of those best solutions. The very old can become very new, like nickel iron batteries and carbon nano tubes. So the definitely are to be congratulated and those structures could be achieved with advances in printing technology. The fossil fuellers definitely look doomed (shift your investments now, especially coal).

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    30. Re:I love a sunburnt country! by sribe · · Score: 1

      While progress on efficiency is nice, the important criteria is watts/$, not watts/m^2. We have plenty of space on rooftops, over parking lots, and in deserts. But we need to continue to bring down the cost.

      Installation costs are a significant portion of the installed watts/$, and they are directly related to m^2.

      Additionally, we do not actually "have plenty of space on rooftops".

    31. Re: I love a sunburnt country! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Improving the watts/m2 has a tendency to also improve the watts/$

      It does mostly the opposite, actually. Perhaps with a few exceptions if you can get 1D trackers cheaply and have them work in a highly insolated location to recoup their extra cost.

      Wholesale pricing for panels is approaching $0.50USD/W.

      And the total system cost is approaching $1/W, meaning that your total system cost still benefits from you using optimum cost panels.

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  2. Not actually the most efficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The current record for terrestrial solar cells is 46.0 percent, so I am not sure how this team justifies their claim of "a new world record for unfocused sunlight". I point out that the 46% result was taken under focused lighting conditions, which actually makes the result stronger since it means the cells are robust enough to be used at high concentration, but even if you insist in directly comparing to other unfocused results the current record is Boeing 38.8% cell.

    They also do not explain any of their methodology in calculating their efficiency (it is trickier than you might think, since sunlight is not considered equal everywhere on earth, for more details see NREL's website which has a catalog of the current highest efficiency cells and the test methodology used to compare them. http://www.nrel.gov/ncpv/

    1. Re:Not actually the most efficient by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      The current record for terrestrial solar cells is 46.0 percent, so I am not sure how this team justifies their claim of "a new world record for unfocused sunlight". I point out that the 46% result was taken under focused lighting conditions, which actually makes the result stronger.

      WTF? So this is in fact all about unfocused sunlight. Even on Slashdot, I have never seen such an awkward, self-defeating attempt at an argument.

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    2. Re:Not actually the most efficient by link-error · · Score: 2

      So, they run it through a prism... the split the spectrum... would that not be considered 'focused'?

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    3. Re:Not actually the most efficient by DRJlaw · · Score: 4, Informative

      So, they run it through a prism... the split the spectrum... would that not be considered 'focused'?

      Since focusing involves making light rays converge and prisms generally make light rays diverge, I'm going to answer no.

    4. Re:Not actually the most efficient by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Focused is like using a magnifying glass on an ant.

      You take several square meters of light and focus them onto a smaller area of solar panels. Given more light, the panels produce more electricity for fewer solar cells and fewer inverters. There are limits to this (you don't want to melt the solar panel for example).

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    5. Re:Not actually the most efficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ignored the rest of his post?

      This was the important part: "even if you insist in directly comparing to other unfocused results the current record is Boeing 38.8% cell."

      Look it up. 38.8% is the record for non-concentrated solar

    6. Re:Not actually the most efficient by Khyber · · Score: 1

      I would consider this more 'targeted' than 'focused' because you're splitting the beam into its primary components and then targeting your cell junctions for high conversion efficiency in that wavelength range.

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    7. Re:Not actually the most efficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you read the rest of his post he's right, 38.8% is the record for non-concentrated light. http://www.nrel.gov/ncpv/images/efficiency_chart.jpg

    8. Re:Not actually the most efficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Symantecs here since we are not actually looking to form an image then it stands to reason we are not using the term focus to mean focal imagery. Focus definitely means to single out. A prism does exactly that and to multiple focal points if you will.

    9. Re:Not actually the most efficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As you said symantecs. And you are on the wrong side of them.

    10. Re:Not actually the most efficient by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      semantics noun the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning. There are a number of branches and subbranches of semantics, including formal semantics, which studies the logical aspects of meaning, such as sense, reference, implication, and logical form, lexical semantics, which studies word meanings and word relations, and conceptual semantics, which studies the cognitive structure of meaning.

      focus transitive verb 1 a : to bring into focus b : to adjust the focus of (as the eye or a lens) 2 : to cause to be concentrated 3 : to bring (as light rays) to a focus : concentrate intransitive verb 1 : to come to a focus : converge 2 : to adjust one's eye or a camera to a particular range 3 : to concentrate attention or effort

      First, it's "semtantics." Second, there's no definition of focus that has that meaning. Third, show me a prism that creates any focal point, must less multiple focal points, rather than an essentially continuous spreading of light across a range. And fourth, you're simply utterly wrong. Now shoo...

  3. Are they crazy!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If these cells get any better and efficient, we are going to use up all the sunlight!!!! We won't have any left for tomorrow!

    1. Re:Are they crazy!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's ok we have enough oil to last forever.

  4. Re:Typical Racist White Crackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Are republicans building a dyson sphere? Otherwise solar panels steal sun how?

    So you're saying that they climbed the fence from mexico just so they could be forced to work for crackers? I doubt that even in mexico it's unlikely you would find anyone that would try to pay you with crackers. Drugs maybe but crackers? No.

  5. Explain in layman terms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ,,, why if harnessing wind-power can affect the local climate, why harnessing solar power doesn't affect how long the sun is going to continue to burn?

    1. Re:Explain in layman terms... by cyberchondriac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ,,, why if harnessing wind-power can affect the local climate, why harnessing solar power doesn't affect how long the sun is going to continue to burn?

      Anyone who seriously asks this won't even understand layman terms, they'll need neanderthal terms. And that's probably denigrating neanderthals. Ook. Grunt.

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    2. Re:Explain in layman terms... by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      And it's awkward and silly.

      A better question would be why this wouldn't effect the local climate, though I suspect it would.

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    3. Re:Explain in layman terms... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      I'll give it a shot.

      If someone is tossing gold coins at a wall, catching a few of them doesn't stop them from throwing gold coins at the wall. (solar).

      If someone is tossing gold coins at a wall, catching a few of them does stop a few of them from hitting the wall. (wind)

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      The sun is going to shine on the same patch of ground regardless of whether it heats a black carpet, dries some water, or hits a solar cell. It doesn't lower the sun's energy.

      Moving air molecules around takes energy. When you extract energy from the moving air molecules you lower their energy.
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      Put a light and a fan next to each other. Put a pinwheel 30' away.
      Put a solar cell in the path of the light. It doesn't stop the light from shining.
      Put a large pinwheel 10' in front of the fan. It will slow the pinwheel behind it.

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      However.. harvesting solar energy WILL effect the local climate. Because it's much more likely to translate the light to waste heat as it is used as energy. The earth can only radiate away a certain amount of heat per second.

      Global warming is more about reducing the earths ability to radiate away heat.
      Solar power (and fusion, and nuclear, and wind) all add waste heat directly locally and globally. I.e. there is a fundamental amount of energy we can safely give to each human and once we exceed that the earth will start heating up because it can't radiate away the heat fast enough.

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    4. Re:Explain in layman terms... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      If the albedo of the surface the sunlight would otherwise hit were high (e.g. ice, a white roof, etc.), adding solar panels might raise the ambient temperature a little. However, if the electricity generated were then transmitted somewhere else then it might lower the ambient temperature in the vicinity of the panels and raise it in the vicinity of the energy use instead (but that also depends on the efficiency of the panel and transmission system being sufficiently high, and I'm not sure it is).

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    5. Re:Explain in layman terms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found your comment lomotobotomizobist

    6. Re:Explain in layman terms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish someone tried a large area of solar panels mounted raised 3 or 4 meters in the desert to see if that way the shadow provided underneath would be cooler and the temperature differential may create condensation from the air, maybe allowing the use of land underneath for green stuff
      Any reason it could not work?

    7. Re:Explain in layman terms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Solar power (and fusion, and nuclear, and wind) all add waste heat directly

      Maybe I didn't quite get what you said, not being an expert, but, with respect to sunlight, if it was hitting desert sand on a clear day, the light might bounce right back out in to space and not warm the earth as 'waste heat' right? That's why deserts, so hot in the daytime, can be quite cool at night. So, if you put solar cells there, then yeah, there might be more waste heat. On the other hand, if the sunlight was hitting a dark asphalt road, it might get absorbed and eventually turn in to 'waste heat' anyway. So putting solar cells on top of that asphalt probably wouldn't make much difference.

      Maybe the OP already knows this, but, in case they don't, here's something that demonstrates the effects of 'waste heat' vs 'light bouncing back in to space':
      The big cause of global warming is that carbon dioxide and methane and other gases tend to absorb the light bouncing back in to space (Including non-visible light such as infrared radiation.) That's the 'greenhouse' effect. If nearly all surface of the earth was reflective, with air that was all oxygen and nitrogen, most of the sunlight would bounce back into space leading to a 'snowball earth'. And, there's a theory that at one time there was a snowball earth, mostly covered in highly reflective ice and snow, then volcanoes released a lot of carbon dioxide into the air and that warmed things up.

    8. Re:Explain in layman terms... by Apostalypse · · Score: 1

      What a ridiculous question, let me just just grab a pencil and run the numbers by you. If we just subtract the total power generated from the total output of the... HOLY SHIT! EVERYBODY STOP! WE'RE GONNA PUT OUT THE SUN!!!!11!

    9. Re: Explain in layman terms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is simply not enough moisture in desert air. Otherwise it would condense during nights which are quite cold there.

  6. Feel the burn by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Still, I bet they were just beaming with pleasure, excitement lighting up their faces, coloring everything they said, reflecting their deep satisfaction with the realization of what was originally just a glint in their eyes. Their laser-like focus on area efficiency illuminates just what it takes to blaze through challenges like this; it's not just about brilliance, it's about focus and resolution. Clearly, this was a very bright idea, sourced from a rainbow of possibilities.

    [runs away, trailing frightened shadow]

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    1. Re:Feel the burn by WallyL · · Score: 1

      My, my, I can't tell if this was incredibly sharp or just ambient.

    2. Re:Feel the burn by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I take a dim view of it.

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    3. Re:Feel the burn by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      My, my, I can't tell if this was incredibly sharp or just ambient.

      After careful reflection on the matter, I must inform you that it was thoroughly incidental.

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    4. Re:Feel the burn by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Mor lite, then.

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  7. Re:Typical Racist White Crackers by Kierthos · · Score: 0, Troll

    There have been some exceptionally ignorant statements from politicians concerning renewable energy. It hasn't been exclusively from Republicans, but the lion's share of them have been. Mind you, a couple of those statements are taken out of context, but the general gist of it is that we shouldn't worry about switching to renewable forms of energy or climate change because Jesus.

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  8. Re:Typical Racist White Crackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It sounds like you're one of those awful Republicans yourself. Deranged reactionaries tend to be attracted to toxic politics, and their caricatures of their imagined enemies tell us a lot about them. Of course the reactionary media outlets that pander to their imagined fears, instead of trying to talk some sense into them, are their real enemy.

  9. Quad Junction? 4 reasons for Nope! by ShooterNeo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This does make for a nice press release...but there are SINGLE junction panels, commercially available, that can do 20% efficient. 3 more junctions is a much more expensive device to manufacture - cheaper to just make the panels bigger.

    Another problem is that right now, the wholesale prices for panels are below 50 cents a watt. The inverters are generally more expensive now. Effectively, quad junction panels just mean more watts per panel, which might mean less cost per watt but probably won't, but the major drivers of cost are unaffected.

    It's cool, it's just solving the wrong problem. The problem is there's too much sunlight at midday, producing more electricity than people need, and no sunlight when the weather is bad.

  10. caveats for the australian experiment. by nimbius · · Score: 5, Funny

    a device that sets a new world efficiency record.

    Although not intended, the device is slightly venomous and should be approached with an open palm when feeding. its normal operating temperature is in a 51c environment.

    A new solar cell configuration developed by engineers at the University of New South Wales has pushed sunlight-to-electricity conversion efficiency to 34.5%

    while technically true, this was only after it lept off a table and attacked a research graduate it had mistaken for one of the innumerable natural predators along the countryside.

    The record was set using a 28-cm2 four-junction mini-module -- embedded in a prism

    the prism, paradoxically enough, is extremely venomous however immune to the slightly venomous configuration overall. most of the wales team that installed the device are still recovering from a combination of intense agony and euphoric constipation. see the research study in the bio sci lab called "the prism does what now?"

    It does this by splitting the incoming rays into four bands, using a hybrid four-junction receiver

    which became territorial during testing and was found to be both predatory as well as bioluminescent. it occupies a classroom on the second floor and to date is consuming around a post doc per month. So remember, that while we now have 34% more energy here which is a huge breakthrough, we must all now add another item to the list of things to check for in boots and under toilet seats. sorry mates.

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    1. Re:caveats for the australian experiment. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sounds only midly dangerous to Australian standards. Does it even have venomous fangs on the back paws? Does it reproduce by laying eggs and feeding milk to its offspring? Call me unimpressed... Meh.

    2. Re:caveats for the australian experiment. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What in the blue fuck are you talking about?

    3. Re:caveats for the australian experiment. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What in the blue fuck are you talking about?

      Never been to Australia, I see.

    4. Re:caveats for the australian experiment. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      became territorial during testing and was found to be both predatory as well as bioluminescent. it occupies a classroom on the second floor and to date is consuming around a post doc per month.

      CRIKEY!

    5. Re:caveats for the australian experiment. by Tyler+Durden · · Score: 1

      I have no earthly clue what "euphoric constipation" might be, but I can't stop laughing about it nonetheless. Sounds like it would be a great name for a rock band.

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  11. Which record? by JaWiB · · Score: 2

    Alta devices has a record efficiency of 28.8% (not 24%, as quoted in the article) specifically for a single junction solar cell. This cell technically has four junctions, for which I'm not aware of any world records; however, Boeing spectrolab created a five junction cell with the world record for non-concentrated light (38.8%). I'm not aware of the records for spectrum splitting cells, so it's possible that Alta made a spectrum splitting cell with 24% efficiency and that this is the new world record for such a cell, though it's not particularly ground-breaking in terms of impact since it doesn't solve the major problems that make these high efficiency cells so expensive (the triple junction cell still requires an expensive substrate and an expensive process for depositing the films)

    1. Re:Which record? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are claiming the world record for a "module" which was previously 24%. I guess that it technically qualifies as a module if you define module as an array of 2 or more cells, since the ray UNSW cell has a Si cell and a 3J cell contained. Still, seems like they are really stretching to call this thing a module. I mean, by this definition wouldn't a stacked multijunction cell technically be a module? Why not?

  12. Re:Quad Junction? 4 reasons for Nope! by Kinwolf · · Score: 1

    Let's pass a law to force bad weather only at noon then!

  13. What are some comparison figures, solar geeks? by swb · · Score: 1

    And I mean solar geeks in the nicest way.

    For a given panel of 1 sq m, how does the actual electricity output of this cell compare to:

    1) The best mass produced, commercially available panel?

    2) A run of the mill generic panel?

    It sounds groovy but is the likely increased cost worth the electric output increase for any but the most niche application?

    1. Re:What are some comparison figures, solar geeks? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      1. We've got mass-produced triple-junction panels with 30+% efficiency. 34.5% for diverged and targeted color bands using 4 junctions isn't exactly special in comparison.

      2. Far more economical to just coat your roof with cheaper run of the mill 22-25% efficiency panels as-is, it's still more than enough solar power to handle all but the most hungry or ignorant of power users.

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    2. Re:What are some comparison figures, solar geeks? by swb · · Score: 1

      I could have guessed #2 would be the case, but do you have any idea what (or how to calculate) what the actual electrical output improvement would be?

    3. Re:What are some comparison figures, solar geeks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For ballparking purposes, one square meter of land gets about 1kW of peak insolation, so the panel comparisons would come out to:

      220-250kW/m^2 for the cheap ones
      300kW+/m^2 for triple junction
      345kW/m^2 for these new ones

      So if installation area isn't a major restricting factor, you'd only want to buy triple junction if they cost less than 1.37x the cheap panels, and you'd only want these new ones if they cost less than 1.57x the cheap ones. Otherwise, it makes more sense to just buy more of the cheaper panels to achieve the same output wattage.

  14. Uh-oh by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    the record was set using a 28-cm2 four-junction mini-module -- embedded in a prism -- that extracts the maximum energy from sunlight. It does this by splitting the incoming rays into four bands

    They can expect a prior art lawsuit from Pink Floyd any day now.

    1. Re:Uh-oh by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      I was about to post something similar...
      Good call.

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  15. Theoretical limits? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Theoretical limits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, yes, but how about a real answer on why such limits would exist and what would they be? (OK, heat from the Sun will be not easy to absorb as easily, but I was hoping for some much higher number... like 80%, for instance).

      Yet, 35% is pretty much awesome for something that falls in huge quantities (at least in Oz) and which costs about nothing.

      BTW, yes, that is an example of free lunch. And don't come up with "you have to pay for the solar panels": plants don't pay a dime.

  16. How easy are they to keep clean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wont the prisms collect dust, and how do you clean an array of prisms?

    1. Re:How easy are they to keep clean? by tlambert · · Score: 2

      Wont the prisms collect dust, and how do you clean an array of prisms?

      ACME Prism Polish(tm).

      The hard part is training the cartoon coyotes to apply it for you, rather than them converting your installation into a giant, solar, anti-roadrunner death beam.

    2. Re:How easy are they to keep clean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make the top/outer surface the flat part (therefore easy to clean), the jagged bit can be underneath and protected.

  17. Re:Quad Junction? 4 reasons for Nope! by Khyber · · Score: 1

    I can go for that, it'd make my desert mining more tolerable mid-day!

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  18. unfocused device? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfocused device?

    So a beam splitter to refocus individual components of said light doesn't qualify as focused?

    I think they broke the record via technicality.

    Still +1 though.

  19. unlikely to find their way onto the rooftops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So basically they break the sunlight up into several color bands and use 4 optimized "solar panels" to collect the energy. Great for a science project but it doesn't sound all that likely to be of any use in the real world. You're basically manufacturing 4 separate solar panels and integrating them into one unit to get 34.5% efficiency when you could simply have 4 separate solar panels and to achieve 44-60% more energy over a single panel (11-15% per panel) which is in all likelihood much cheaper per unit of power and since it is non-concentrating is also much more easy to install/maintain. The only place I can see this being of any use is areas with severe space limitations.

  20. Re:Typical Racist White Crackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These evil Republicans are trying to steal all the suns energy, and turn it into profit for their evil globalist Eugenic empire. Won't some people think of the poor trans-gendered African American Latino immigrant farmers that are forced to use the correct bathroom

    Let's kill all those sun stealing white people.

    -Hillary Clinton for pres. 2016

    fixed that for you

  21. Impressive but pointless by slashmydots · · Score: 0

    In some applications, density is good. In most others, amount of space isn't the barrier. It's the upfront cost of the solar panels. What they SHOULD be looking for are ways to lower the costs of making pretty good solar panels. That would actually help the planet and actually improve adoption rates of solar electric systems.

  22. How is this not focussing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a new world record for unfocused sunlight

    The record was set using a 28-cm2 four-junction mini-module -- embedded in a prism -- that extracts the maximum energy from sunlight. It does this by splitting the incoming rays into four bands, using a hybrid four-junction receiver to squeeze even more electricity from each beam of sunlight.

    So, take an arbitrary amount of noise and discriminate/split it into bands of energy using a prism. This sure appears to focus to me.

  23. Nothing really new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same old PV receptors, just a different optical assembly.

    An actual breakthrough would be 40% efficient PV receptors.

    I already did this design in high school, 30 years ago and have the notes to prove it.

  24. Re:Quad Junction? 4 reasons for Nope! by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

    Maybe one day we'll invent a way of storing the energy for use later in the day.

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  25. Re:Quad Junction? 4 reasons for Nope! by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

    That "way" is expensive as heck. The batteries only last for about 1000 cycles and they cost $800 per kilowatt hour. See the problem?

  26. In the lab... by Chas · · Score: 1

    And let us know once these things reach actual production...

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    1. Re:In the lab... by dave420 · · Score: 0

      Oh give it up already, grandad. Your pessimism is not an attractive trait.

  27. Not for this stuff by dbIII · · Score: 1

    While progress on efficiency is nice, the important criteria is watts/$, not watts/m^2. We have plenty of space on rooftops, over parking lots, and in deserts. But we need to continue to bring down the cost.

    That's where dirt cheap big silicon wafers come in. This stuff is for satellites and other situations where surface area of mass is at a premium and you want to get as much energy out of the photons that hit your available surface as you can.

    1. Re:Not for this stuff by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Surface area of a mass comes at a premium, but this invention goes in the opposite direction, at least as far as the PV cell element is concerned. UltraFlex/MegaFlex-type solar arrays is what you're actually looking for. In addition, they're much more easily stowable. A concentrator system could work with this cell in space applications but the geometry is more sensitive than in a non-concentrated array, so you'd have to be careful both in designing for stowability and in actually using it (a concentrator requires precise array orientation with respect to the Sun, otherwise you lose all power; a flat array system doesn't).

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  28. Units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that imperial percent or metric percent?

  29. Newscorp headline: by cas2000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Taxpayer-Funded Terrorists Attempt to Sabotage Vital Coal Industry

  30. Re:Quad Junction? 4 reasons for Nope! by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    I don't get why this inverter topic is coming up all the time on /. when we talk about batteries or solar energy!
    The inverter is probably the cheapest or second cheapest part of a solar plant!
    10kW installation:
    75c per Wp, 10kW: 7500Euro
    Inverter: 2000Euro
    Cable: 100m, 500Euro
    Framing: 1500 Euro
    Labour: 1000Euro
    Grid management: 150Euro
    Total: 12,650 Euro for 10kWp

    The rule of thump for a quick calculation is 1600Euro per 1kWp on average over germany. The above is cheaper, no idea, must be my location.

    The inverter is less than all the work and framing and cables together, granted, if count everything separated it is the second most expensive part, but in comparision to the panels it is irrelevant.

    This also 'begs the question' why in the USA installation costs seem to be higher than the panels themselves, at least everyone here mentioning costs is complaining about labour and framing.

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  31. Re:Quad Junction? 4 reasons for Nope! by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

    I don't know where your numbers are coming from. Mine from from sunelec.com. The inverters are 50 cents a watt, they have deals for panels that are under that.

  32. Re:Quad Junction? 4 reasons for Nope! by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    My numbers come from a vendor installing you the stuff for the prices I quoted.
    The rule of thumb is: 200Eur per kWp.

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  33. Re:Quad Junction? 4 reasons for Nope! by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

    Those prices include mark up for the vendor's profit. Also, in Europe you may have to pay various taxes on the panels that don't apply the same way to the inverters. So your numbers aren't a realistic reflection of cost - it's more accurate to use the price of oil as a basis for calculating worldwide petrol prices than the price at a particular gas station.

  34. Re:Quad Junction? 4 reasons for Nope! by neerolyte · · Score: 1

    Batteries come in all kinds of qualities and cycle ratings. Lead acid batteries (still really common) also have cycle curves that are based heavily on temperature and DoD (depth of discharge) - most offgrid set ups are trying to keep worst case DoD below 20-30% (aka SoC 70-80%) to keep total cycles up above 3000. There's usually a nice knee in the curve there: http://www.rpc.com.au/pdf/rayl... (page 11).

    The LFP/LiFePO4 lithium batteries that are gaining in popularity achieve that kind of cycle life but with DoD around 70-80% (again, less DoD = more cycles).

    There's also Nickel Iron batteries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel%E2%80%93iron_battery) - hard to buy new at the moment because they fell out of favour (heavy per Wh) but known to last more than 50 years with no cycle memory - some manufacturers starting to build them again for this kind of application (i.e static applications where weight doesn't matter).

    You can pay much more or less than $800/kWh depending on quality and what kind of DoD you're going to run (i.e how long you want your batteries to last).

  35. Re:Quad Junction? 4 reasons for Nope! by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

    If you cycle only 1/5 to 1/3 the battery's capacity through each cycle, but it lasts 3 times longer, you haven't accomplished much. The total amount of energy stored and recovered is the same. In the case of solar, the problem is that widespread panel deployment will eventually mean there are so many solar panels that a bunch of energy produced exceeds the entire demand for the local electric grid during certain hours of the day.

    So you need to store that energy if you don't want to waste it. And the cost per kilowatt-hour stored, you can work out pretty easily.

    If it's $800 for 1 kilowatt hour capacity, and you can store 0.8 kilowatt hour 1000 times before the battery dies, you pay $800 for a battery that can store and return $80 worth of electricity. Not a winner.

    Maybe you can look up what the numbers are for lead acid. Don't think they are noticeably better. Also, the $800 figure is a few years old, it supposedly has been slowly declining. But even $100 a kilowatt-hour isn't going to cut it for storing electric grid energy. (though, it's an excellent deal for electric cars - $8500 for an 85 kilowatt-hour pack for a "full range" electric vehicle with comparable range to a gasoline car)

  36. Re:Quad Junction? 4 reasons for Nope! by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    The prices I gave where from a vendor, no idea what you want to say.

    Also, in Europe you may have to pay various taxes on the panels that don't apply the same way to the inverters.
    How exactly should that work? All products have hidden costs like the CO2 tax used in producing them. And then you simply have the price the vendor sets, for what ever reason, and VAT on top of that.

    Except for alcohol, tobacco and 'oil' nothing has a 'special tax' here.

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  37. Re:Quad Junction? 4 reasons for Nope! by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

    No idea. The point is that my numbers are more accurate than yours. Maybe the vendor you quoted decided to mark up their panels and not the inverters. But every online direct - sale store for solar equipment directly on the internet, the inverters are generally more expensive per watt than the panels. Do you dispute this?

  38. Re:Quad Junction? 4 reasons for Nope! by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    the inverters are generally more expensive per watt than the panels.

    I live in Germany. And my question was exactly aimed at "why the fuck does this inverter cost so much" come up in threats like this all the time (from the USA).

    The cost of an inverter is not even 20% of the cost of a panel.

    Do you dispute this? YES, I do!

    Why the fuck would something so simple as an inverter cost more than a panel? That does not make any sense at all!

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  39. Re:Quad Junction? 4 reasons for Nope! by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

    You're paying massively inflated prices for panels then. It is only possible explanation. Again, go to sunelec.com. Or Ebay USA. Or Wholesalesolar. Or 50 other sites. And look for yourself.