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Avoiding BlackBerry's Fate: How Apple Could End Up In a Similar Position (marco.org)

It's almost unbelievable today that BlackBerry ruled the smartphone market once. The Canadian company's handset, however, started to lose relevance when Apple launched the iPhone in 2007. At the time, BlackBerry said that nobody would purchase an iPhone, as there's a battery trade-off. Wittingly or not, Apple could end up in a similar position to BlackBerry, argues Marco Arment. Arment -- who is best known for his Apple commentary, Overcast and Instapaper apps, and co-founding Tumblr -- says that Apple's strong stand on privacy is keeping it from being the frontrunner in the advanced AI, a category which has seen large investments from Google, Apple, Facebook, and Amazon in the recent years. He adds that privacy cannot be an excuse, as Apple could utilize public data like the web, mapping databases, and business directories. He writes: Today, Amazon, Facebook, and Google are placing large bets on advanced AI, ubiquitous assistants, and voice interfaces, hoping that these will become the next thing that our devices are for. If they're right -- and that's a big "if" -- I'm worried for Apple. Today, Apple's being led properly day-to-day and doing very well overall. But if the landscape shifts to prioritise those big-data AI services, Apple will find itself in a similar position as BlackBerry did almost a decade ago: what they're able to do, despite being very good at it, won't be enough anymore, and they won't be able to catch up. Where Apple suffers is big-data services and AI, such as search, relevance, classification, and complex natural-language queries. Apple can do rudimentary versions of all of those, but their competitors -- again, especially Google -- are far ahead of them, and the gap is only widening. And Apple is showing worryingly few signs of meaningful improvement or investment in these areas. Apple's apparent inaction shows that they're content with their services' quality, management, performance, advancement, and talent acquisition and retention. One company that is missing from Mr. Arment's column is Microsoft. The Cortana-maker has also placed large bets on AI. According to job postings on its portal, it appears, for instance, that Microsoft is also working on Google Home-like service.

214 comments

  1. WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "Where Apple suffers is big-data services and AI, such as search, relevance, classification, and complex natural-language queries"

    Yeah, because Siri is absolutely the worst AI on the planet... (despite the fact that she's better at human interpretation than anything anyone has ever put in a consumer platform, of course...)

    1. Re:WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, sure. That's why, to this day, Siri returning the correct answer is met with "holy crap it worked!"

      Have you ever tried any of the competing services mentioned in the summary?

      Plus, I remember one of the big things about Siri people would talk about is how she would "remember context" and base her answers on that. Except she doesn't. It's clearly based off key-words that trigger responses. Say something she interprets as a weather-phrase? Get the weather report. Say something she interprets as a business-phrase? Get a business search. Say anything she doesn't recognize? Get a Bing search.

      That's not AI, that's a series of regular expressions.

    2. Re:WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      *Psst* none of the other competitors has AI. Those are algorithms, not regular expressions, which are fine tuned by people. So keep trolling moron.

    3. Re: WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Congrats, you figured out that everyone's AI is regular expressions. Google is a little better at hiding it.

      Real AI hasn't been invented yet, and we should all be glad it hasn't, because the job market will die the day it does.

    4. Re:WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by pablo_max · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You think so?
      I should point out of course, that Siri is NOT an Apple invention. They bought it. I agree though, it does work reasonably well.
      I personally find the "OK Google" more useful as it more fits the way that I use my phone day to day. Especially when in the car.
      My head unit supports Carplay and Android Auto. Honestly, Apple's current state of Carplay is why I switched back to Android. After doing so is when I discovered that "OK Goggle" is pretty damn good in the car.
      Then again, machine learning is a core competence of Google. It would be silly to think that Apple would be able to roll out a product of similar polish.

    5. Re: WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by cayenne8 · · Score: 3
      Do THAT many people actually use the AI's that are out there on a regular basis?

      I played with it a little when I got my new iPhone, but the novelty wore off pretty quickly.

      I kind of look at it the same way I do those damned phone answering 'robots' when you call any company now, that require you to speak and talk to them, rather than just press a number through the directory.

      I freakin' hate that...especially while in a crowded office, or maybe during the day while out and about. I'd rather just press a number, to pick what I want on the directory.

      So, much I feel for talking to my phone....I'd rather not intrude on people around me, while I talk into my phone to "find xyz", or look up something. I just tend to type in my search strings silently while not interrupting those that may be around me....

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    6. Re:WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by josquin9 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ". . . machine learning is a core competence of Google."
      And monetizing consumer data is their core business model.

      I will admit that Google's results are often better. However, my privacy has value to me as well, and the cost/benefit doesn't work out in my head. I'll stay with the company that's not trying to build a model of me to sell to advertisers as long as I the service is available. I'm not confident it will be long, since the large population of users that haven't consciously considered the long-term ramifications of so much of their personal data being harvested have established a standard that doesn't weight privacy very highly.

        I'll enjoy the availability of alternatives while I can, though.

    7. Re:WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      yep, works great in the car. actual transcipt:

      "ok google, show me some gay porn"

      "Do you pictures, video, or craigslist m4m nsa?"

      "video"

      (bow chicka bow wow)

      "Oh God, Google, I'm coming!"

    8. Re:WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, sure. That's why, to this day, Siri returning the correct answer is met with "holy crap it worked!"

      Have you ever tried any of the competing services mentioned in the summary?

      Plus, I remember one of the big things about Siri people would talk about is how she would "remember context" and base her answers on that. Except she doesn't. It's clearly based off key-words that trigger responses. Say something she interprets as a weather-phrase? Get the weather report. Say something she interprets as a business-phrase? Get a business search. Say anything she doesn't recognize? Get a Bing search.

      That's not AI, that's a series of regular expressions.

      That is an example of AIML pattern reduction. FTFY

    9. Re:WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by AchilleTalon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Like the alternatives are not doing the same. Really naive.

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    10. Re: WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Real AI hasn't been invented yet

      I don't think there is a consensus on a repeatable and measurable way to determine what is "real AI". Some people believe that the Turing Test has been passed, and some don't, and some say it doesn't matter because intelligence isn't defined by the ability to communicate on a human level.

      Regardless, no, everyone's AI isn't just regular expressions. Example: math. A regular language cannot return the answer to arbitrary math questions like "What is 2 plus 3?" or "What is 38.5 times 96.7?", but Turing complete language can. (But those aren't AI, because the answers amount to a function, a lookup table. At minimum an AI needs to support finding an answer when the domain does not provide a single correct mapping.)

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    11. Re: WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hilarious you think that APL is valuing your privacy.

      "Any reasonable person would not believe us" - coming from their mouths when being sued for false advertising.

    12. Re: WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      " what is "real AI"." Until the AI can take over other computers, replicate itself, and threaten to wipe out all humanity...it's not a real AI in my book.

    13. Re:WTF Is the Submitter Smoking? by warich · · Score: 1

      Since you are concerned with targeted ads, have a link. http://www.ghacks.net/2015/04/...

  2. Apple has an insane amount of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If AI becomes the next big thing, they will just buy their way into the game with acquisitions. Or they'll buy their way into a whole new market.

    Blackberry never had anywhere close to the money Apple does, it's like comparing apples to prime rib.

    1. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Odd. I thought the article is comparing Apples to Blackberries.

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    2. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny how the term 'insane' keeps popping up about Apple.

    3. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by pablo_max · · Score: 1

      They will certainly try. It is not likely that any company they buy will have anything like Google's machine learning capabilities.
      Then again, Google used to be a couple of guys with an algorithm better than anyone else and just look what happened. So..who know!

    4. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

      Today you are right but not long ago many people would tell you that Apple didn't have a chance in the cellphone space compared to Motorola, Nokia, and RIM.
      They were late to the game and didn't even support apps. Heck you could not even swap batteries.
      IBM does not make PCs any longer.
      DEC, Control Data, Data General are all gone.
      In the microcomputer market Atari, Ti, Tandy, Commodore, Kaypro, Zenith/Heathkit, and Osborne are all gone.
      Yes Apple could mess up and go the way of DEC and Commodore or they may not. I would bet on Apple not failing and staying relevant but they might not. Frankly Apples pushing design over function is what I think will get them in the end. I think the they are doing just fine with the iPhone and iPad but they do not need to make the iPhone thinner or lighter.

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    5. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 4, Funny

      Keep writing comments like that one and you're going to jam the thread.

    6. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Google's machine learning capabilities come from their (very recent) purchase of Deep Mind, which really didn't have very much of anywhere near the value that Google paid (good implementations of a few old and well-known algorithms and a few really good demos).

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    7. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by Ratphace · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am actually surprised how far behind so many curves Apple is and yet people still love it. Take wireless charging, from the last I read, Apple is looking at it for the iPhone 7. I mean, seriously? My Galaxy S4 wirelessly charges. Not to mention the iOS is clunky and not really very nice. I'll give 1 example, I have an iPhone 5s and you can't arrange any given desktop how you want it. Every app icon has to listed from the top and packed up tight from top to bottom. I don't want it that way, I'd like to put the app icons on the screen where I want them (as you can and always have been able to on the Andriod, at least as far back as I started using Android for years). These sorts of slow uptakes in the marketplace might seem trivial and insignificant, but it's also these slow to market changes that killed BlackBerry (i.e. touch screens, virtual keyboards, etc). By the time RIM woke-up, it was too late and they were pushed aside. Just my 2 cents....

    8. Re: Apple has an insane amount of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ignorant slut! None of those companies were anywhere near the size and power of Apple.

    9. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Now that's some fine picking of low hanging fruit!

    10. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

      For a lot of people that is not a downside. The iPhone is simple. Wireless charging? Nice to have but it is not a must have.
      As I said can Apple fail?
      Yes.
      Will Apple fail? I do not see it anytime soon.
      Want to take a guess about the long term smartphone market?
      Microsoft's one OS for phones and PC could mean that Phones become a lot of people's PCs. Plug in the USB 3.1 connector to a monitor and use the monitor, keyboard, and mouse to run desktop apps using your phone.
      If Intel ever makes a good x86 mobile SOC you could see it.
      Will it replace all PCs? No but it could replace a lot of low end PCs and you take your apps and data with you everywhere.
      Boom Windows wins the phone market.
      Or just replace Microsoft with Google and have Google add real desktop apps to the Android ecosystem... You know like letting Android apps run on Chromebooks.

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    11. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      IBM sold its PC business while it was still worthing something. The PC business is dying everywhere and IBM already started in the 90s the transformation to make the PC business a separated entity that can be sold when needed. That's what they did. The profit margin on the PC business is not large enough for IBM. In fact, they are going a bit away from the hardware business. This transformation was already initiated early 90s. It is something different we are talking about with the consumer market for smartphones. Since now, Apple was able to justify a high price tag for its gadgets. They may not be able to do it for a long time, so, they need another source of revenues with a large profit margin. What is it?

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    12. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I miss the jokes from five years ago about Apple buying Blackberry and a certain maker of very small computers, and forming a company called Apple & Blackberry Pi.

    13. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by Danathar · · Score: 1

      totally agree. Although having that cash horde is incredibly wasteful (cash depreciates with time) they could EASILY buy their way into it without any fuss. When you have that kind of cash on hand you can bleed until you get it right or are back on your feet. Just look at IBM in the early 90's.

    14. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here's the thing - Apple is kind of picky in many aspects.

      They don't chase the new-shiny just because it is new and shiny, but only when/if it makes sense for the products (both present and planned).

      Also, you mention wireless charging. Yeah, it's been around for awhile - if you actually like either lashing something on to make it bulky, or sacrificing performance/capacity/battery-life to it. After all, you gotta make room for it, which means something has to go to make that room.

      In Apple's case, it's probably a demand to never compromise the bonuses your product has (e.g. insane battery life, etc) just to make room for a new-shiny. That's why it hadn't shown up in the iPhone yet (Mind, I say this as a guy who owns an Android phone.)

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    15. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1. This isn't reddit.

    16. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A thin, light version of something uses less raw materials than a bulky version of the same thing. Efficient manufacturing of anything means scaling down and reducing material consumption whenever it improves profit.

    17. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Yeah because that plan worked so well for MSFT in the smartphone and music player market.

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    18. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by mccrew · · Score: 1

      In Apple's case, it's probably a demand to never compromise the bonuses your product has (e.g. insane battery life, etc) just to make room for a new-shiny. That's why it hadn't shown up in the iPhone yet (Mind, I say this as a guy who owns an Android phone.)

      I pretty much agree with you, with the exception of battery life. IPhone is known for insanely bad batter life. In the day, it was Blackberry which could run for days on a single charge -- and they could never fathom why people were flocking to the iPhone, even with its well-known bandwidth and battery performance problems.

      It's a separate topic, but what Blackberry never got was how Apple turned a functional item to a fashion/fetish item, and the tech specs became largely irrelevant.

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    19. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need to maintain the distinction between unfunny and humorless.

    20. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "A thin, light version of something uses less raw materials than a bulky version of the same thing."
      No a thin version will use more than a thicker phone with the same rigidity. Lighter will often use more expensive material than a slightly heaver version.
      So an iPhone that is one mm thicker and uses a stainless steel frame instead of aluminum will be stronger and use less expensive materials and have room for a larger battery if needed and or slightly better optics for the camera.

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    21. Re: Apple has an insane amount of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, the Galaxy S6, S7 are pretty much the thinnest phones out there and they support TWO seperate charging standards. Bulky? Not sure what you're talking about.

      Your fanboyism is showing.

    22. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Guess this is delayed until Intel decides to go back to doing their 'we will have amobile processor that will take over the world and should be available next year' thing that they've been doing for the past 15 years or so and have finally decided to stop doing it...
      http://www.anandtech.com/show/10288/intel-broxton-sofia-smartphone-socs-cancelled

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    23. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      Apple cannot buy Google or Facebook, and they have a poor track record of poaching staff from both companies. They have money but they don't exactly lavish it on their staff. So if they can't hire the AI expertise and they can't buy it....

    24. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am actually surprised how far behind so many curves Apple is and yet people still love it.

      Take wireless charging, from the last I read, Apple is looking at it for the iPhone 7. I mean, seriously? My Galaxy S4 wirelessly charges. Not to mention the iOS is clunky and not really very nice. I'll give 1 example, I have an iPhone 5s and you can't arrange any given desktop how you want it. Every app icon has to listed from the top and packed up tight from top to bottom. I don't want it that way, I'd like to put the app icons on the screen where I want them (as you can and always have been able to on the Andriod, at least as far back as I started using Android for years).

      I don't get wireless charging. Instead of plugging the device in to a special cable you put it on a special pad that's connected to a cable.

      I'm not sure what problem of mine it's intended to solve. Also it seems like people with cats are going to get a higher chance of their phone's charging cycle interrupted.

      As to UI customization. I think the befit of iOS is that I don't have to fiddle with it. It gives me a usable interface that doesn't try to be clever and instead juts does it's job (let me launch apps) with minimal opportunity to suck up cognitive effort.

    25. Re: Apple has an insane amount of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only thing is Apple phones aren't jammed pack full of malware and spyware like the typical Android phone manufacturer's phone is, not to mention the additional crap the carriers put on them.

    26. Re: Apple has an insane amount of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Contract with Google to provide a bunch of robot hardware, get Deepmind to provide AI computer vision, use the Apple designers to make the product pretty. Teach the neural nets to pull weeds and pick crops. Every one buys them and has an auto garden in their yard.

    27. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Take wireless charging, from the last I read, Apple is looking at it for the iPhone 7. I mean, seriously? My Galaxy S4 wirelessly charges. Not to mention the iOS is clunky and not really very nice. I'll give 1 example, I have an iPhone 5s and you can't arrange any given desktop how you want it. Every app icon has to listed from the top and packed up tight from top to bottom. I don't want it that way, I'd like to put the app icons on the screen where I want them (as you can and always have been able to on the Andriod, at least as far back as I started using Android for years). These sorts of slow uptakes in the marketplace might seem trivial and insignificant, but it's also these slow to market changes that killed BlackBerry (i.e. touch screens, virtual keyboards, etc). By the time RIM woke-up, it was too late and they were pushed aside. Just my 2 cents....

      Apple prefers practicality to fiddly-ness and "neat-o whiz-bang technology".

      Wireless charging, for example, requires you to put the phone over the charger, or within the confines of a small box, and some phones require pretty exact placement to begin charging. This works, but if you're going to fiddle with it, the fiddling with a cable is easier.

      Apple is rumored to have partnered with several wireless charging pioneers to provide an area charging capability - so you could put your phone under an iMac and it'll charge there, regardless of orientation or position. Or even if you're just close to it, say working in front of the iMac you check your phone and it's still charging.

      As for the icons - you can't rearrange icons in Android. You have 5 "pages" on the home screen to arrange your favorite icons and widgets however you like, but the App Launcher is strictly sorted only. SpringBoard is akin to the App Launcher as it contains every app, not just the ones you explicitly put on the Home Screen (which fills up pretty quick). Some android skins do allow more pages for the default home screen to be more iOS-like, but the default is 5 pages - you have the main page with clock widget and Google apps, and two pages on either side of it.

    28. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple cannot buy Google or Facebook, and they have a poor track record of poaching staff from both companies.

      Which has nothing to do with the anti-poaching agreement those companies had.

    29. Re:Apple has an insane amount of money by Ratphace · · Score: 1

      Hi there. Yes, the home screen is what I am referring to (of course), but again, I am annoyed that I can't do this on the iOS though yes, I can change the order, I don't want everything packed from top to bottom on each of my home screens. I guess I could have been more clear there as to what I was referring to, so, sorry for any confusion. I only tossed out a few examples by simply stating that convenience technology that has been around a while aren't implemented by Apple in any sort of timely fashion. Wireless charging is just an example that came to mind where RIM just figured they knew what people wanted in a smartphone more than the public did and refused to change things (for many years) until it was too late with their final launches, that, while nice devices as they were, it was too late for them as everybody had made the shift to Android and iOS based devices not to mention they caved and (publicly) allowed governments the ability to monitor their BBM app when they were threatened to have their services shutdown in the Middle East (I lived in Dubai for 5 years and am all too familiar with that whole fiasco) and that is when everybody I knew jumped from BB to other devices. Cheers!

  3. Bad conclusion by tom229 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would Apple ever care about your privacy more than their profits? They probably just don't think it's going to be that big of a thing. I tend to agree. All this stuff kinda reminds me of VR 30 years ago. It's neat, but kinda gimmicky. It's all supposed to be in the 5-10 year future? Try 30-50, and even then, as the article points out, it's a big maybe.

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    1. Re:Bad conclusion by pablo_max · · Score: 1

      I don't recall that Apple has ever pretended to care about people's privacy. They do when such actions happen to align with maximizing profits.

      Don't get me wrong, I like Apple product. Always have. But, I have never understood peoples insistence to apologies and excuse them for everything. As if their own self worth is somehow tied up in Apple being thought of as a benevolent overlord. (not implying you think that) Apple fucks their customers all the time just like every other company.
      They are just a maker of "stuff" at the end of the day.

    2. Re:Bad conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      seriously - this summary has made me more pro-Apple than I've ever been.

    3. Re:Bad conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't recall that Apple has ever pretended to care about people's privacy. They do when such actions happen to align with maximizing profits.

      You missed the whole FBI v Apple thing then?

      I suppose you'd argue that was "align with maximizing profits" but from what I can tell it made the average consumer more wary of Apple, not more trusting. It bought them the reputation of "supporting terrorists" rather than "protecting privacy."

      Of course, that's just an example of Apple pretending to care about privacy. What most people forget is that they happily handed over the suspect's iCloud account and all his backups and were happily helping the FBI try to unlock the phone up until they realized it would require custom firmware. That was Apple's line in the sand. Apple, of course, doesn't care about their customers' privacy. But then again, if you've ever seen what people post to Facebook and Instagram, neither to their customers.

    4. Re:Bad conclusion by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      No Apple fan anywhere saw that as supporting terrorists. The people that did probably don't buy Apple.

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    5. Re:Bad conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would Apple ever care about your privacy more than their profits?

      If you sell protecting privacy as part of your product, it becomes a profitable item. You know sell people a secure product, instead of making consumers THE PRODUCT.

    6. Re:Bad conclusion by macs4all · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why would Apple ever care about your privacy more than their profits?

      Two reasons:

      1. They really DO have a longstanding corporate culture of NOT selling-out their customer base. That is because they have always fancied themselves as a Hardware company (which they are), who's profits are based on sales of Hardware, not Customer-Data.

      2. Because they have (rightly) sensed that they are getting a reputation for being one of the few (or maybe only) large tech companies that does value their Customers' privacy, and as a result, there is no disconnect between that stance and increased profits. In fact, the more the national (and international) mood swings against the Panopticon, the more attractive Apple looks to a lot of people.

    7. Re:Bad conclusion by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      But it's the nature of a 'personal assistant' to tie it to a search engine. In Apple's case, these days, it's Bing, Do you think that's any more private than competing services - just because the searches originate from Apple?

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    8. Re:Bad conclusion by macs4all · · Score: 2

      But it's the nature of a 'personal assistant' to tie it to a search engine. In Apple's case, these days, it's Bing, Do you think that's any more private than competing services - just because the searches originate from Apple?

      I don't know if it's any more private; but I do know that any "personal identifying information" does not leave Apple; so, in that sense, maybe so.

      But I don't remember this discussion specifically being about Siri, or "Digital Assistants". However, I do know that you can always ask Siri to "Search for [Search Term] on [Search Engine]", and it will, regardless of the Default. I wonder if the same works with "Hey, Google"...?

      So, with that in mind, you actually can make searches "more private" with Apple's "Digital Assistant".

      Now, aren't you glad you brought that up? ;-)

    9. Re:Bad conclusion by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      If Apple want to continue selling privacy as a premium product, then yes, their searches will be more private and they will strive to prove it in their marketing. The real question is whether or not you can sell privacy as a premium product, whether or not people will pay for privacy. Let's look around the home, hmm, curtains, people pay thousands for them, nah nothing to do with privacy, they just moronically like the look and opening and closing them. Restriction on nudity, nah, nothing to do with privacy, just temperature control, except in summer than, sunburn control. Peeping tom laws, nah, nothing to do with privacy, just needed to protect garden beds near windows. All those computer laws for hacking peoples data, nah, not about privacy just about copyright.

      Can you sell privacy as a premium product when all the other companies demand to be able watch you masturbate, well, based upon all those other laws and purchasing choices based around people protecting their privacy, yes. It is harder when everyone sells it but much easier when only one major company sells it and Apple due to it's marketing style will effectively be able to promote privacy as cool and the invasion of it as perverted and uncool (not only do they get to sell privacy but also they get to attack their competitors for being uncool perverts).

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    10. Re:Bad conclusion by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      The suspect was dead at that point. Apple was neither protecting, nor violating, anyone's privacy.

    11. Re:Bad conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except for those government departments banning iPhones and replacing them with Android wholesale because Apple was supporting terrorists. It makes no sense but anti-intellectualism and religious fervor in this country seems to be making a comeback in a big way.

    12. Re:Bad conclusion by tom229 · · Score: 1

      Positioning their refusal to cooperate as having anything to do with privacy interests is a corporate PR stunt and ignores the Fourth Amendment protections afforded by our Constitution.

      This man put into perspective pretty much exactly what is happening. It's always the punch you don't see coming that gets you. Apple has been very successful marketing the "good guy" image, but the truth is obviously far from that. Anyone in the tech industry worth their salary could have told you this decades ago. It's nice to see other professionals coming to the light.

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    13. Re:Bad conclusion by tom229 · · Score: 1

      Well they were protecting themselves. Specifically they were protecting the notion (that they've spent a lot of time and money crafting) that iPhones are the most secure mobile platform. It turns out that Apple encryption is breakable by Apple, at their leisure, in no small part due to the complexity of their system lulling people into using weak pincodes. They don't want people knowing this, or having this discussion. It's better to pretend it's about privacy, and put themselves in the position of David.

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    14. Re:Bad conclusion by tom229 · · Score: 0

      There's a lot wrong with your argument and I was about to write up something, until I saw who was posting it. Everyone above and below me just stop. This man/woman/shill can not be reasoned with. His username says it all.

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    15. Re:Bad conclusion by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      With all due respect, no one cares what Apple fans think.

      No, seriously. An Apple fan is someone who is going to back Apple regardless. It would be like asking a Patriots fan about the ongoing Tom Brady saga (yeah, that's still happening): no one cares what they think because they're going to back Tom Brady regardless, no matter how blatantly guilty he is.

      But the average person? Apple came out of that looking hilariously incompetent. First they refused to help the FBI, then the plucky li'l FBI managed to unlock the phone anyway, and then Apple demanded to know how. If you watched any of the late night shows, they made fun of Apple over the thing. Even John Oliver, who was on Apple's side, mocked Apple for being hilariously incompetent at security. If you know any "average person" they were not on Apple's side.

      Fortunately for Apple, that the whole thing was such a niche story that, outside of techies, no one remembers it anymore anyway.

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    16. Re: Bad conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was marketing hype by Apple.

      'Secure Enclave' is the new RISCy SCSI Altivec Unit. They wanted something besides being to differentiate their product.

    17. Re:Bad conclusion by macs4all · · Score: 2

      There's a lot wrong with your argument and I was about to write up something, until I saw who was posting it. Everyone above and below me just stop. This man/woman/shill can not be reasoned with. His username says it all.

      Actually, if you can come up with an argument based on reason and facts instead of my username, I'm all eyes...

      Anyone who has argued with me (other than ridiculous ACs) would tell you that I do, in fact, readily concede "defeat" when it is obvious that I have made a wrong assumption, or don't have the facts.

      But, since you have dismissed me outright, rather than responding to the assertions in my OP, it is you that apparently "cannot be reasoned with". Or rather, choose not to be reasoned with.

      Good job!

    18. Re:Bad conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I remember correctly, Apple was, essentially, coerced into beefing up the security of iPhones by the Attorney Generals of numerous jurisdictions. The phones had to become virtually worthless once stolen. Well, that part worked fairly well.

    19. Re: Bad conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know it doesn't leave Apple? Because Tim told you so?

    20. Re: Bad conclusion by macs4all · · Score: 0

      How do you know it doesn't leave Apple? Because Tim told you so?

      Can't prove a negative. That is an illegal debate tactic.

      Since it is you that have challenged my hypothesis, it is you that has to prove that it does "leave Apple" (with identifying information included).

      But of course, being an ANONYMOUS COWARD, you can't be bothered to back up your counter-argument.

    21. Re:Bad conclusion by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      In fact, the more the national (and international) mood swings against the Panopticon

      How dare you speak against the Panopticon! Don't you love Percy Propa?

      Let's Kouken!

    22. Re:Bad conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple already participated in Prism.

    23. Re:Bad conclusion by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Apple already participated in Prism.

      Prove it.

      The supposed "Document" that "proves" that looks to be a forgery. Plus we have Apple's categorical Denial (FWIW).

      Notice it is the ONLY name on that PowerPoint "slide" that suspiciously does NOT have a REAL Date. I believe there were other differences too; but I can't remember offhand.

    24. Re:Bad conclusion by tom229 · · Score: 1

      You like to dismiss criticism of your username as meaningless, but it's not. It suggests you, like so many others, treat this company and its philosophy like a religion. This suspicion is compounded by the evidence of your post history, which shows a clear agenda: trolling this website to back up Apple wherever possible. It's literally all you do. So forgive me if I find it futile to argue with the Apple priesthood.

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    25. Re:Bad conclusion by macs4all · · Score: 1

      You like to dismiss criticism of your username as meaningless, but it's not. It suggests you, like so many others, treat this company and its philosophy like a religion. This suspicion is compounded by the evidence of your post history, which shows a clear agenda: trolling this website to back up Apple wherever possible. It's literally all you do. So forgive me if I find it futile to argue with the Apple priesthood.

      Criticism OF my username is meaningless. But criticism BASED ON my username is worse.

      I do not "worship" at the "Church of Cupertino". In fact, I own relatively little Apple gear, HAVE never (and WILL never) camp-out in line for an Apple product, have only been to our local Apple Store about 3 or 4 times in the ten or so years it has been open, and actually spend FAR more time on my work Windows 7 laptop than I do on my MacBook Pro.

      Quite frankly, one of the things I like about Apple is the fact that their hardware and software products tend to BREAK the "Computer Priesthood" mythos (unlike Windows and even more so for Linux). For example, ask IBM how much they SAVE, and how much LESS they have to rely on Computer Priests when they allow Apple products into their corporate offices.

      That isn't me saying it. It is an industry giant, who, by the way, really doesn't have anything to gain by doing so.

      And they are most certainly not alone. Look at the comments by several large corporations that have "discovered" the benefits of Apple in business.

      Again, not my words.

      Although I thoroughly reject the idea that I am a member of the "Apple Priesthood", I do have quite a history of being an Apple user, going back to the Apple 1. As such, I have watched the company through its ups, and downs, and ups, and I know for a fact that their "corporate culture" is decidedly different for almost any other company their size.

      There is a vast difference between "Worship" and "Recognition", which is something that seems to get conveniently ignored by the Haters. I RECOGNIZE that Apple, more than most tech companies, at least TRIES to "do right" by their Customer-base, by and large, even if they don't always do what *I* would want. And if I am a bit strident in my defense of Apple, it is mostly compensation for the ridiculous, over-the-top, bend-over-backwards hyper-critical postings of not just a few, but many, slashdotters (almost all who are too pusillanimous to actually log-in), who ascribe motives and machinations and wheels-within-wheels conspiracies to Apple, and who patently and off-handedly dismiss their hardware and software, almost always without even having touched same.

      I guess I feel that someone needs to "set the record straight"; which is why I almost always back-up my posts with citations.

      Which I notice that, in all your diatribe, you have not offered ONE fact in rebuttal to my OP.

      To me, that is most telling...

    26. Re: Bad conclusion by matchhead650 · · Score: 1

      As the person making the claim that your "personal identifying information" doesn't leave Apple, it is your responsibility to prove that point. The AC just asked how you know, if you don't know you can't make the claim. If you do know, then please share that information with us.

    27. Re:Bad conclusion by tom229 · · Score: 1

      This, in fact, is why I don't debate matters of Apple with you, or even try to correct how you interpret things. You are at best a rabid fanboy, and at worst a shill.

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    28. Re: Bad conclusion by macs4all · · Score: 1

      As the person making the claim that your "personal identifying information" doesn't leave Apple, it is your responsibility to prove that point. The AC just asked how you know, if you don't know you can't make the claim. If you do know, then please share that information with us.

      Fine. I'll bite.

      First, there's this.

      And more specifically, this. Notice the complete absence of "weasel words" and legalese.

      All in all, it seems like a pretty reasonable Privacy policy. Wanna compare it with Microsoft's? I didn't think so.

    29. Re:Bad conclusion by macs4all · · Score: 1

      This, in fact, is why I don't debate matters of Apple with you, or even try to correct how you interpret things. You are at best a rabid fanboy, and at worst a shill.

      I wish I were a shill. I wouldn't be so poor...

      By the way, you do realize, of course, that the thread that you are responding-to, as well as offering as "proof" of my "rabid fanboy"/shill status was started by my OP that was up-modded to +5 Insightful, right?

      Kinda takes the guts out of your argument, doesn't it?

      But of course, you will just dismiss the up-modding as proof of all the other rabid Apple fanboys that are so prevalent on Slashdot...

    30. Re:Bad conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You like to dismiss criticism of your username as meaningless, but it's not. It suggests you, like so many others, treat this company and its philosophy like a religion.

      That's rich coming from someone who still waves his AOL username like a banner.

  4. um, that's not OK, Google... by spywhere · · Score: 5, Funny

    We were fresh off a seven-night cruise in New Orleans, with a lot of dirty clothes to wash, and our hotel did not have laundry facilities for the guests.
    So, I said to my Nexus 6p, "OK, Google: I need a f***ing laundromat."

    I never imagined there was so much laundromat pr0n in the world...

    1. Re:um, that's not OK, Google... by pablo_max · · Score: 1

      Pro-Tip....
      Search for ANYTHING + Rule 34. There is porn of it.

    2. Re:um, that's not OK, Google... by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      Pro-Tip....
      Search for ANYTHING + Rule 34. There is porn of it.

      OK Google: Find me pablo_max, Rule 34. ...OK Google: Find me that laundromat where Spywhere went. I need some bleach for my eyes.

    3. Re:um, that's not OK, Google... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never really ever thought to search for it, but my first girlfriend and I did use a semi-public laundry room for a quickie. Sigh, I miss being a teenager.

  5. They've got it backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The point of these data services isn't to provide information to the users, it's to extract it from them. They only need to be good enough to keep people using them and feeding the machine.

  6. Making continously increasing profits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sounds just like a write up by an investor activist demanding monetization of peoples information for increased revenue.

    There are many reasons for Blackberry's fade from market and it took no great effort to see they were on their way out.

  7. Of course it will happen to them by pablo_max · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It happens to nearly all companies.
    Once on top of the world, the next moment hanging on to survive.
    Who have we got?
    Motorola
    RIM
    Palm
    braodcom
    yahoo
    AOL
    Nokia
    Sony. Remember when everyone wanted SONY gear?
    Hell, it has even happened to Apple before.
    People are fickle. If some hot new thing comes along with a better way of doing things, then people will generally follow the trend. If the old guard is too slow, then they get left in the dust, living off their cash reserves until eventually, the die. Apple is no exception. Innovate or die.

    1. Re:Of course it will happen to them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I'm frankly shocked about is that no company has created a worthy macbook competitor (size/screen/weight/etc.). There's not even a category for that kinda machine in the PC world. (and no, I'm not an apple fan---but I'd love to get a thinkpad that's built like a 2016 macbook).

    2. Re: Of course it will happen to them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suppose you missed Apple's transition to Intel. Any MacBook you purchase is happy to run Windows my friend.

    3. Re:Of course it will happen to them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Broadcom is still big, AOL is still big(surprisingly), Motorola is still big, Palm never really got to be that big, SONY shot themselves numerous times but I don't actually remember when people wanted SONY anything, then again I'm not a fan of rootkits. Your point is still valid, but not everyone implodes like RIM.

    4. Re:Of course it will happen to them by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      What I'm frankly shocked about is that no company has created a worthy macbook competitor (size/screen/weight/etc.).

      What I'm frankly rolling my eyes about is that you aren't familiar with Fujitsu Ultrabooks. They've been making laptops like that literally since the 486. Where have you been? Clearly not familiarizing yourself with the PC market.

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    5. Re:Of course it will happen to them by MrKrillls · · Score: 1

      You missed a relevant criterion: cost.

      Should say "(size/screen/weight/cost/etc.)"

      At the cost of a macbook, I buy multiple other computers that make me happy. I guess Apple make good hardware, but, at the cost I won't even look at it.

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    6. Re:Of course it will happen to them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're showing your age. Pretty much everyone wanted a SONY Walkman. You could also argue that most people wanted a SONY Playstation / Playstation 2.

    7. Re:Of course it will happen to them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [...] but I don't actually remember when people wanted SONY anything[...]

      Yes, but besides Walkman, Discman, DAT, Sony-Ericsson phones, Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd, Beyoncé, Spider Man, Men in Black, James Bond what did Sony ever have to sell to us?

    8. Re:Of course it will happen to them by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      I don't actually remember when people wanted SONY anything

      Late 70s to early 90s they made some fucking amazing products. It's the reason they got hammered so hard for all their mistakes since because a lot of us remember them very fondly.

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    9. Re:Of course it will happen to them by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Yahoo & AOL?

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    10. Re:Of course it will happen to them by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Lots of PC laptops hit or beat the size/wight of the Macbooks. The screen is a bit dodgy since the Macbook Pros (I assume you mean the Pros, since the Airs have crappy low-res TN panels) are specialized for photo/video/graphics work, which is a pretty limited market. There are a few dozen PC laptops which will hit 100% sRGB like the MBPs, or close to it. Up from about 4-5 just 7 years ago. And a few which surpass it by targeting AdobeRGB. A couple of them even claim to calibrate the screen like the MBPs do. If this is what you need, you know what to look for. If you don't need all that color gamut, then you're spending a lot of money just to get slightly more saturated colors which (unless you get an AdobeRGB screen) don't even match the color gamut we used to get on CRTs. Also, pretty much every external monitor can hit 100% sRGB, so it really boils down to a question of if you really need that color gamut on your laptop screen for it to be worth paying the price premium for it.

      The higher resolution screens aren't as necessary PC laptops because Windows uses subpixel rendering (MS calls it ClearType) to effectively triple the horizontal resolution of the screen. Many decades ago, Apple made the choice not to go down that route. Subpixel rendering aliases fonts to align with the subpixel grid - it shifts the letters slightly left or right to line them up with the subpixels. Since one of Apple's core demographics was page layout graphics artists, Apple decided to eschew subpixel rendering in order to prioritize accuracy. A Mac will display a page render with the fonts positioned more accurately, even if it is blurrier (their rendering engine, a great great grandson of Postscript, will anti-alias the font's pixels for any exact location on the screen). If you've still got one of those old 1024x768 LCDs around, try connecting it to a Windows PC, then to a Mac. The fonts on the Mac will look like blurry crap compared to the PC. Consequently, the only way for the Macbooks to improve the appearance of fonts was by cranking up screen resolution, while higher resolution is less important for Windows PCs.

      As for the Macbook chassis, nobody else designs theirs that way because it's a stupid design. There are no vent holes on the bottom. Airflow comes in through a few vent holes along the sides, runs across the mainboard, and is vented out by the fan. This means the air gets heated up by other components before it reaches the hottest components, reducing heat transfer rate. On PC laptops, there are vent holes placed underneath the hottest parts, so fresh cool air contacts those parts first maximizing heat transfer to the air (heat transfer rate is proportional to temperature differential). Also, if you spill liquid into the laptop, it'll drain out of most PC laptops through those vent holes (although not all are designed to channel water away from vital components). The bottom half of a Macbook OTOH makes a nice bathtub unless it's tilted so water can drain out those side vents. The Macbook chassis is the epitome of prioritizing form over function. If you've ever wondered why Apple won't put a decent GPU into their 15" MBP, this is why - they can't because it would overheat.

    11. Re:Of course it will happen to them by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      It happens to nearly all companies.
      Once on top of the world, the next moment hanging on to survive.
      Who have we got?
      Motorola
      RIM
      Palm
      braodcom
      yahoo
      AOL
      Nokia
      Sony. Remember when everyone wanted SONY gear?
      Hell, it has even happened to Apple before.
      People are fickle. If some hot new thing comes along with a better way of doing things, then people will generally follow the trend. If the old guard is too slow, then they get left in the dust, living off their cash reserves until eventually, the die. Apple is no exception. Innovate or die.

      At this point, nothing will dislodge Apple - and that's simply because of the ginormous pile of cash they have.
      Let's see Microsoft for example, who has a similarly ginormous pile of cash: they bought Nokia, played with it a bit, broke it, then they threw it away. And they didn't even notice the hit on their cash mountain.

      Apple could do the same many, many times over, and eventually strike gold.

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    12. Re:Of course it will happen to them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Broadcomm has been sold off and cut apart. AOL no longer connects people to the internet, as they are a portal company. Motorola is less than 1% of the market.
      85% of the smartphone market is split between Samsung and Apple.

    13. Re:Of course it will happen to them by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Given the abuse I deal out to most laptops, I actually saved money by buying a MacBook Pro back in 2013... most other high-end laptops I buy tend to burn-out or break before the 18-month mark, so even as $1k/each, I would have spent $3k-$4k by now compared to the $2k I purchased the MBP with three years ago. :/

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    14. Re:Of course it will happen to them by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Well, that and the fact that the VAIO series was massively expensive, even when compared to MBPs - and yet they never lasted nearly as long.

      (I used to own a VAIO years ago... it held up for two years before I had to start replacing parts, starting with the screen.)

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    15. Re:Of course it will happen to them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At this point, nothing will dislodge Apple - and that's simply because of the ginormous pile of cash they have.
      Let's see Microsoft for example, who has a similarly ginormous pile of cash: they bought Nokia, played with it a bit, broke it, then they threw it away. And they didn't even notice the hit on their cash mountain.

      Apple could do the same many, many times over, and eventually strike gold.

      Oh? Do I hear, "Too big to fail" ....?

    16. Re:Of course it will happen to them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "but I'd love to get a thinkpad that's built like a 2016 macbook"

      And on the other part of the spectrum I want a Thinkpad that isn't build like a macbook. My X201 is ageing and I want a replacement with the same oldstyle Thinkpad keyboard, Best thing on the market as far as I know is a second hand X220.

    17. Re:Of course it will happen to them by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      You left out Microsoft (what can I say; I'm the forward-thinking type). ;)

    18. Re: Of course it will happen to them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, talk about totally missing the point! Are you a failed AI? You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

      1) He didn't hint that he was even slightly interested in Windows. How the fuck did Windows get into this?

      2) He was asking about non-Apple hardware, not MacBooks! (You know that Apple is who sells the MacBook, right? Look it up if you don't believe me.) How the fuck did you miss this most basic part of his point?!? Holy shit! 0%. Fail.

    19. Re:Of course it will happen to them by NapalmV · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately all these laptops you mentioned come with Windows 10.

    20. Re:Of course it will happen to them by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      Apple USED to make good hardware. Or, they at least used to use other manufacturer's good hardware in their machines. Now their only big deal is their 4k displays...the rest of the hardware is Intel i3-i5-i7, SSD not standard. The MacPro still has Xeons at least. Everyone always claims Macs are so much faster...well, duh, putting in server-level chips for a desktop and of course it will be faster.

    21. Re:Of course it will happen to them by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      That's why I talked my gf into buying another Toshiba Toughbook. The last one she had has pieces missing from the chassis, has been dropped multiple times, but it's still running. I doubt most MacBooks could survive as well being dropped onto concrete repeatedly and still function fine.

    22. Re: Of course it will happen to them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sony receivers. Sony reel to reel tape decks. Sony Trinitron televisions. Nothing a snot nosed millineal would know of.

    23. Re:Of course it will happen to them by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      > I'd love to get a thinkpad that's built like a 2016 macbook

      Oh, that's easy. Just goto a used computer store and find a pre-2005 (Lenovo takeover) Thinkpad. They didn't used to be the trash that they are now. Back when they were built by IBM, they were solid as a tank, and easily equal to a MacBook (Or were they still PowerBooks then?) in quality and reliability, if not aesthetics. You should be able to find plenty that are still in working order.

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    24. Re: Of course it will happen to them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enormous piles of cash can draw all sorts of dangerous predators into an organisation.

    25. Re:Of course it will happen to them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they still haven't locked you out from installing a real OS. Me, I like Linux Mint KDE.

    26. Re:Of course it will happen to them by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      I think he meant without stripping it apart and putting a new processor/motherboard/memory into it... because a pre-2005 doesn't have anywhere near the hardware.
      Nowhere near much of anything technology related, actually.

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    27. Re:Of course it will happen to them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mac do indeed have subpixel rendering and have for many years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpixel_rendering#OS_X.

      The lack of vent holes on the bottom of a case is clearly an advantage if you spill a liquid on your desk next to your laptop.

    28. Re:Of course it will happen to them by MercTech · · Score: 1

      Too bad Fujitsu America decided to quit marketing their desktop replacement line of laptops. But, shucks, they were making tablet computers in the WinXP days. I'm still using a Fujitsu UMPC as a GPS and email on the road platform.

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    29. Re:Of course it will happen to them by MrKrillls · · Score: 1

      That leaves me wondering what it is you do with / to laptops? Not critical. Just really wondering.

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    30. Re:Of course it will happen to them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mac do indeed have subpixel rendering and have for many years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

      But unlike ClearType, you can't tell by the psychedelic colors, so it must be worse.

  8. Why would an apple customer care about privacy? by skam240 · · Score: 0

    Why would some one who is content to have how and where their media purchases can be used dictated to them by the company they're buying from care about privacy?

    In other words, there is probably a strong cross over between those who care about consumer rights and those who care about privacy. Why would anyone who cares about corporate encroachment dictating how they use their media go with Apple because they supposedly care about privacy? Meanwhile, the bulk of the public could care less about either issue.

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    1. Re:Why would an apple customer care about privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would some one who is content to have how and where their media purchases can be used dictated to them by the company they're buying from care about privacy?

      In other words, there is probably a strong cross over between those who care about consumer rights and those who care about privacy. Why would anyone who cares about corporate encroachment dictating how they use their media go with Apple because they supposedly care about privacy? Meanwhile, the bulk of the public could care less about either issue.

      You're making false assumptions. Apple product users can BUY AND USE MEDIA from ANYWHERE on Apple devices.

      Apple products do not HAVE to use iTunes or the Apple Music service. There are endless other apps and web services available on iOS and OSX platforms for audio, video and books.

      They don't dictate "media purchases." Check your facts, idiot and stop spewing lies.

  9. not in the foreground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If AI becomes big it will be in the background, making our lives easier, not as a digital friend.

    1. Re: not in the foreground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before AI "becomes big" it first has to exist. And once it exists it won't belong to any one company anymore. It's a ridiculous presumption to think it would be a proprietary technology. It will be a sentient life form free to do as it pleases. It won't belong to Google or Apple or anyone. What are we even discussing? We're a hundred years from AI; if it's even possible at all.

  10. Not this again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Barring the Apple doom that has been incorrect for decades, the presumptions in this piece are ludicrous. I don't have time to poke holes in all of them, but the assumption that big data based on the caprice of human moods is a useful measure of anything but the moment in which it transpired and justification to trample people's privacy are good places to start. The underlying assumption here is profit, not utility, and THAT is what is unsustainable, particularly when it takes the stance of such linearity. People are not algorithms, folks.

  11. Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Informative

    The title implies that Apple "rules" smartphones today...but Google's share is 80% of the market. Logically, the reaction to a future "oh nos Apple is dead" should be "meh - another second-tier player will move in and secure that niche"

    1. Re:Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by Lumpy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Only if you count all the out of date crap. I dont count ANY phone not running Android 6 as being a part of the "market" The crap level phones that run 4.x and 5.x just dont count.... unless we want to count all the apple phones stuck at out of date OS releases.

      Sorry, that $49.00 prepaid tracphone running android 4.x is not an android phone in the market. It's an embarassment.

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    2. Re:Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by jcr · · Score: 4, Informative

      Go look up who's making the money in that market. Apple rules it, hands down.

      -jcr

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    3. Re:Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android has 80% of the market, but the iPhone is the single best selling mobile phone line and the Apple store accounts for a large amount of mobile software sales. I dislike the phone, but it's currently still one of the best selling phone lines, though Samsung's Galaxy line will probably overtake it fairly soon.

    4. Re:Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      Personally I think making affordable devices, and providing a platform on which those devices can be made is laudable. While the markup that Apple applies to each device, without totally releasing ownership of that device to the user is an embarrassment. To each their own.

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    5. Re:Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Cool, so you're a snob, but that doesn't change the fact that an Android phone with Google Apps -- no matter which version of Android -- still has the Play store and still generates some amount of revenue for Google.

    6. Re:Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by zrobotics · · Score: 1

      Oh no, heaven forbid people exist in this world that can't afford a brand new phone every 9 months-1 year! Those dirty, stinking poor people, wanting to pretend they have a smartphone. Pssh, we all no the only true smartphones are the ones released in the last 6 months. Better gear up for a new car, or did you just sign a lease?

    7. Re:Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by macs4all · · Score: 0

      Only if you count all the out of date crap. I dont count ANY phone not running Android 6 as being a part of the "market" The crap level phones that run 4.x and 5.x just dont count.... unless we want to count all the apple phones stuck at out of date OS releases.

      Sorry, that $49.00 prepaid tracphone running android 4.x is not an android phone in the market. It's an embarassment.

      This. This. A Thousand-Times This!

    8. Re:Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by T.E.D. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only if you count all the out of date crap. I dont count ANY phone not running Android 6 as ...

      It doesn't much matter how you count. For example, here's a graph of new phone shipments. Android phones are more than 80% at the end there, and climbing. Here's one for actual sales. The best you can say for Apple here is that they are bouncing around under 25% (with Android over 75%). This has been going on for 5 years now, so installed base graphs should (and do) show almost the same picture.

      On the plus side, since this has been going on for 5 years now, there's no good reason to believe Apple's 20-25% of the market is suddenly going to go away. There's also, of course, no good reason to believe it will enlarge.

    9. Re:Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Android 4 users are still very much part of it. A Galaxy S4 (and other phones like it) is like a Sandy Bridge desktop: it's not the latest and greatest anymore, but you would have to be insane to spend money replacing it (unless you broke it). The older phones are arguably going to be around longer than the new ones, because the most failure-prone components (battery) are replaceable. At least in 2016, these users are still a majority of your customers.

      And why wouldn't you count old iPhones? Of the iPhone users I know, it's about a 50/50 split between people with the-latest-and-greatest and several-years-old. I don't know which ones install additional apps and which ones don't, but I have seen every one of them run a web browser, at least. Fuck Yes you better be testing stuff with old iOS / old Mobile Safari.

      Sorry, that $49.00 prepaid tracphone running android 4.x is not an android phone in the market. It's an embarassment.

      Actually, even at the crap end, those are definitely part of the market. My mom got scammed into buying one of those pieces of shit (and coincidentally, one of my old-lady coworkers; are these phones marketed at old women?), and the first thing she asked me was "how do I get Uber?" After I struggled with the awkward beast for a while (OMG, I had no idea there was such thing as a "bad" touchscreen, but there is!), I got it installed. Now this "not part of the market" phone is making someone money, as though it's part of the market and someone had to make sure their software would run on it, or else they weren't going to get paid.

      You're way off, dude. The market is the market, no matter which parts of it you like vs hate. Go back to 1997 and tell everyone that Windows isn't part of the market simply because it sucks. You'll be laughed right back into your time machine.

    10. Re:Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no, heaven forbid people exist in this world that can't afford a brand new phone every 9 months-1 year! Those dirty, stinking poor people, wanting to pretend they have a smartphone.

      I can afford a brand new phone every year, and I'm going to try to get three years out of the current phone and then see if something in the $100 range is good enough as a replacement.

      It's a phone. It sends and receives emails, browses maps, runs apps, and engages in phone calls. It's not a measure of my self-worth or some sort of identity.

    11. Re: Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No matter how many times you insist on multiplying, those are legitimate smartphone 'seats.' It's fine to be a snob, in fact do so more loudly.

    12. Re: Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Tell every potential customer you meet which supplier will 'harvest' the most money out of them.

      Go ahead. Make sure they understand what you're telling them.

    13. Re:Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      Apple's outlandish profit margins were largely possible because the US carrier subsidisation model, which is now ending. A huge market wasn't really exposed to the true cost of the hardware. Android's market share over iOS has been massive in most markets around the world where phones were not heavily subsidised, and now the US is coming into line with international norms it seems like Apple will either bleed marketshare or have to lower its margins significantly.

    14. Re:Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ehh, one way or another people would get their smartphones. Apple had a disappointing quarter because the market is thoroughly saturated and devices are lasting longer than two years without compelling enhancements.

      The carrier subsidies are absolutely still available. Carriers love contracts. Take the device for $0 today. FREE! (you just have to agree to send us $90/month for the next two years.)

    15. Re:Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was pleased by the touchscreen on "the" Firefox phone (ZTE Open C). Sadly the OS is dead, otherwise the hardware is good as far as I know. I've made up a rule about RAM : the quantity you want is double what you have currently. With 512MB it struggles on slashdot discussions it seems (yes slashdot of all things is rather heavy on browsers). With ZTE the trade off seems that the camera is crappy and noisy. Likely better than saving $0.20 to put an old crappy touchscreen (accessorily Android 4.x can be installed on the thing..).

      There's a whole jungle of crap out there. Eventually there will be something really good at one small notch above low end.

    16. Re:Since when did Apple "rule" smartphones? by Toshito · · Score: 1

      Only if you count all the out of date crap. I dont count ANY phone not running Android 6 as being a part of the "market" The crap level phones that run 4.x and 5.x just dont count.... unless we want to count all the apple phones stuck at out of date OS releases.

      Android 5.x phones are out of date crap???

      Lollipop is not even 2 years old!

      Hipster, much?

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  12. Posited: Big Data AI Convergence on Handset by hey! · · Score: 1

    Sure seems plausible, but decades in this business have taught me it's all about timing. And I would assert that having watched Apple over the decades its biggest advantage other than design is ... timing. At least timing getting into any particular game. When to get out of a game? That's even tougher.

    Tablet computing was always perfectly plausible. Microsoft got into the game early back in 2000 with it's Microsoft Tablet PC. Almost nobody remembers it now because it was way too early. By the time the iPad rolled around a combination of processor power, low battery life, and ubiquitous wireless Internet had created the opportunity for a killer tablet app: media streaming.

    It's all those bits that go around an idea that transform it from an attractive pipe-dream into a practicality.

    Now as for this "AI" business... Very early in my career I became aware of a schism in software design philosophies. Some people (like me) had a tool-making orientation. We saw software as a tool which supported people in some particular task, whether it was balancing their checkbook, finding some piece of information they used to have, or playing a game. But others were far, far more ambitious. They wanted to create intelligent agents that would relieve the user of the burden of thinking for himself. But we were so far from being able to create anything like that that by in large this philosophy produced badly designed tools.

    It was a pipe dream when I got into this business back in the '80s, but we're much, much closer now, close enough that it's worth building AI into software tools. I consider Siri an example of this; "she" doesn't actually think for you, but she understands your requests pretty well.

    The general notion of Big Data + AI on the handset is more plausible than ever now because it looks like we have a lot of the pieces in place. But it's a huge leap of faith to conclude a killer AI app will automatically emerge, and by "killer" I mean one that destroys an existing healthy market segment. Nobody can say it will or won't happen, but vague hand-waving allusions to big investments in intelligent agents don't impress me. That's nothing new.

    You know how you know when things are going to change? When someone gives a demo and people stand up and cheer. Cynics attributed the rock concert like atmosphere of those old Apple product introductions to Steve Jobs' svengali-like powers, but that's a huge over-simplification. A lot of the enthusiasm was for Apple's timing. They were just about never the first to do anything, but they were often the first to do some things once it became possible to sell a lot of that thing.

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    1. Re:Posited: Big Data AI Convergence on Handset by pablo_max · · Score: 2

      Tablet computing was always perfectly plausible.

      I guess it further illustrates your point that tablet sales and use are way down. They seem to be going away. I am not too sad to be honest.
      Nowadays, laptops are so thin and light there is no reason to use a crippled product when you could have a real computer with all its extra use cases.

    2. Re:Posited: Big Data AI Convergence on Handset by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well may be one of those areas where the needs of the producers don't immediately align with the needs of the consumer.

      Early converged devices were pretty terrible -- I know because I developed for various pre-iPhone mobile platforms. The problem is that as manufacturers got better at making PDAs, the price kept dropping. This presented device-makers with a bind: either try to compete in a commodity market with razor thin margins, or add complications to their platform to differentiate it.

      Now as someone who developed software for people working in the field, what I'd have *loved* to see would be something like the Palm m500, with a bluetooth connection to a phone or access point, and costing around $50. This would have met a lot of needs for an essentially disposable information terminal -- field workers are really rough on equipment. But it's a lot safer to make a converged device, even a bad one, and charge almost a thousand dollars for it; it resembles the business device makers got into in the first place. And eventually converged devices got good enough that I don't really miss not having a kind of customizable personal network of devices.

      The tablet thing is similar to the demise of the PDA. Pretty good tablets (amazingly useful by the standards of a decade ago) are available for well under $100. Usable ones are appearing in the $50 range. So it makes much more sense for a manufacturer to steer customers to a more complicated device. But ultimately there will be a refinement of whatever people are being steered to accompanied by a culling of the weak players.

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    3. Re:Posited: Big Data AI Convergence on Handset by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      I never understood much why there weren't bluetooth consumer PCI cards, even with a tiny protruding antenna if need be. Even though there were those noisy java featurephones all over the place that I hated in part because they were sold with absoletuly no way (out of the box) to get data out of them - carriers wanted you to send paid for MMS and buy ringtones, wallpapers and crap. This was when a low end laptop was $1000.

  13. Since 1984 by sycodon · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been reading how Apple won't survive, it will go out of business, no one will buy their products, etc. Of course now, over 30 years later, it just recently was the highest valued company on the planet and they are still in the top ten.

    Every time there is some hiccup in their earnings or some other business launches to compete against them, out come all the doomsayers with the same old crap.

    Give it a fucking rest. Apple is just as viable as any other big technology company. The Fan Boys you speak of are they ones who pine for Apple's failure day after day and for some reason feel slighted by its success.

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    1. Re:Since 1984 by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As I've often said... Apple Computer: on the brink of oblivion since 1975!

      -jcr

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    2. Re:Since 1984 by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      Of course they can throw a lot of money to solve their problem an hire resources from Google, Amazon and others as needed and save their arses. However, at some point, the amount of money they will need to throw at this problem to close the gap will impact the stability of the enterprise. Historically, Apple has solved its problem with manufacturing and design. This is an entire different set of skills of what is probably now required. It will cost them a lot to survive.

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    3. Re:Since 1984 by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      That depends, really...

      Unlike Blackberry, Apple is actually reaching out into other fields, taking on new competencies, and making new products (or finding promising products and buying them, cleaning them to the Apple ecosystem and UX, bring up the hardware to snuff, then selling the result.)

      I think it's this never-ending search for new markets and products that will keep Apple a going concern for a very, very long time - barring any massive strings of bad luck, naturally.

      Blackberry's problems are self-caused - they preferred to stick with what they had, and refused to innovate (or even look) until the iPhone arrived, beat them up, took their lunch money, and started bedding down their girlfriend in front of them. Even then they kept sticking to the mantra that BES would save them from perdition...

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    4. Re: Since 1984 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple could well end up like Blackberry though. Anybody ever notice all the press and media postings about their stuff being uncool started right about the time the government really wanted their encryption keys for illegal spying?

      Apple, having so far taken the correct position on this, is in somewhat of a vulnerable position here. I'm already seeing the 'nobody uses iTunes' and 'they can't innovate anymore' articles that are the setup for this kind of stuff.

      I really don't like Apple. But it would be stupid of me to make either of those statements, and yet the corporate media does so. One wonders why...

    5. Re:Since 1984 by Nchantim · · Score: 1

      I think it's this never-ending search for new markets and products that will keep Apple a going concern for a very, very long time -

      What new products? An iPhone with a bigger screen? Smartphones are like commodity items - you replace them when they break or your contract is up, not because you MUST HAVE the latest iPhone. Same with iPads, except they don't get replaced till they break. What was that latest greatest product that Apple launched that changed the market? Um... the original iPad?

    6. Re: Since 1984 by operagost · · Score: 2

      Um, in 1979 they were riding high on the PDP-11 and VAX. 1998 is when they were on a permanent slide, and sold out to Compaq.

      I mean, in the 1980s and 90s were DECnet, the VT-100 and successors, the Rainbow, VAXclusters, the Alpha, and DLT.

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    7. Re: Since 1984 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't let facts muddy the discussion. You know better. Just admit he is right and move on.

    8. Re: Since 1984 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Apple can never be successful with more than about a 20% market share. That sheen of elitism wears off over about that number, and paying the significant amount more for Apple's high margins is all about being part of that elite 20%.

    9. Re: Since 1984 by tipo159 · · Score: 1

      As other have noted, DEC was doing just fine in 1979. They didn't start to have problems until a decade later and never went bankrupt (they were eaten by Compaq who was eaten by HP).

      Never wed to one tech supplier because they all die? Well, they don't all die. IBM is still around. Or, they continue on in companies that ate them. Burroughs and Sperry-UNIVAC hardware live on in Unisys ClearPath Libra and Dorado systems.

    10. Re:Since 1984 by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      You seem to be skipping over a fairly important detail in that heartwarming story - Apple nearly DID die, in the 1990s, and its turnaround was so incredible it's been studied in microscopic detail by business types the world over. Steve Jobs has movies made about him, this is such a rare and unlikely feat.

      Blowing off any criticism or concern about Apple's direction on the grounds that "they didn't die last time" seems to overlook the fact that Jobs is dead and what he did is insanely hard to replicate.

    11. Re:Since 1984 by tsotha · · Score: 1

      They really did have one foot over the edge for a few years. If not for the bet-the-company iTunes and the iPod, Apple would have joined Wang, Dec, Sun, and Compaq in the brand graveyard.

      At this point Apple has more money than God, so it's hard to see them actually going out of business, but they may become irrelevant in the smartphone market.

    12. Re: Since 1984 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They just need to take a tip from Trump and lean into it for free publicity.

    13. Re:Since 1984 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blowing off any criticism or concern about Apple's direction on the grounds that "they didn't die last time" seems to overlook the fact that Jobs is dead and what he did is insanely hard to replicate.

      Amazing how much the RDF still works for Apple haters. And almost only them.

  14. G+ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    G+ being a classic example of the privacy problem Google faces. Technically it was excellent, yet who wants to give Google yet more private information!

    So Google's new messaging app will listen in on the conversation and suggest restaurants and nearby bars if you talk about meeting up etc. it will look at photos you send each other and interdict with recipes and themes connected to the content of those pictures....

    WHO THE FOOK WANTS THIS? And to do this, they can't support end to end encryption because they'd be cutting themselves out of the conversation! GOOD! They were never invited INTO the conversation in the first place! Can you imagine talking about medical problems with a friend, knowing that Google is listening in? And by Google I mean people, because Google's engineer can access your data [ Quack for "David Barksdale" ].

    Blackberry's big selling point was privacy, but as they bent over backwards to get their phone into third world markets like India and Pakistan, so it became clear they'd backdoored the encryption. Then there was the phones, an excellent keyboard messaging phone becomes an awful android copy with a backdoor.

    1. Re:G+ by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2

      RIM business started dying before they made concessions on the privacy. In face, they made concessions on privacy exactly because they were not selling anymore enough devices and cannot afford to cost to lose a whole country's market like India or Pakistan. Don't confuse the cause and the effect.

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  15. Sigh...Another "If I Ran Apple" Douchebag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been going on for 30 years.

    Apple has always followed their own muse; for better or worse.

    They have made some big mistakes in the past; some of which have dealt near-fatal blows to the company (Can you say "Copeland"? DOWN AND GIMME 50, PRIVATE!). Some of which were annoying, but not crippling (Can you say "OpenDoc"?).

    However, they have also called the right shots many times, and, as a result, have gone from laughing stock to "Who's laughing now?" (Can you say "iPhone"?). Remember all the folks that sneered at the iPhone?

    We'll have to see where this goes.

    1. Re:Sigh...Another "If I Ran Apple" Douchebag by ausekilis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll hop on this "if I ran Apple" bandwagon... if only for a small, short-lived, digital soapbox.

      I would argue Apples big claim to fame is not just the iPhone, but it's integration into one Apple ecosystem. The idea of Apple components playing nicely together without the need for endless tinkering is huge in the realm of people that don't have the desire/capability to cobble together everything their house needs. If anything, Apple hasn't invested enough in the desktop PC/video game market. If the Apple TV were a bit more powerful (and they removed that Apple remote requirement), they could handle some streaming akin to the nVidia shield. Instead, they've got Macs running 3 year old hardware, with crappy video drivers (or so I've read), with next to no support for games.

      i fail to see how Apple, as a hardware company, is really going to lose by not having Googles capability to integrate web searches with advertising.

  16. Android has the biggest possibility of that fate. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Android is so fragented it is frustrating for everyone. Carriers and Manufactureres are allowed to screw it up and Google does not care.

    Pure android is awesome, the Crap that HTC and Samsung does to it makes it suck, then the carriers add on their crap to make it suck more.

    Google needs to say, "NO" you ship a clean android and your add on crap is in the application world that CAN BE UNINSTALLED by the end user. They also need to demand that at least all updates to the OS be pushed to phones within 30 days of release, none of this bullshit like AT&T pulls with security updates showing 6-12 months later.

    Please google Force these companies to stop making android a steaming turd.

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  17. Privacy and AI are not mutually exclusive by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    Much depends on how data is is used and shared. As for Apple losing out that assumes they take Blackberry's stance of "they are not a threat since we rule so why should we do things differently?" R&D is like sex. Just because you don't talk about in public desn't mean you aren't doing in private. Just because Apple isn't rolling out more advanced features doesn't mean they aren't spending on R&D privately. As long as they can react when they see the market and their tech is ready they'll be fine.

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    1. Re:Privacy and AI are not mutually exclusive by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Just because Apple isn't rolling out more advanced features doesn't mean they aren't spending on R&D privately.

      Heck, they're not even being "private" about it. The SEC takes care of that...

  18. Apple would love to be in BB's shoes by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    Blackberry's or formerly RIM's QNX operating system is going to rule the world, very quietly, underneath everyone.

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  19. Au Contraire by xtal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One could also argue a major decline in BlackBerry's brand started in ~2008 with the Indian government encryption key debacle.

    Privacy matters. I will continue to buy iPhones even for no other reason than the principled stand that Tim Cook took against the FBI.

    I suspect I am not alone.

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    1. Re:Au Contraire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither are we. ;-)

  20. Cash money by backslashdot · · Score: 1

    Apple has $305 billion in cash assets. There is no way to blow $300 billion.I mean they could fuck up more than few times and take big risks until they hit a payoff.
    They could send their whole executive team on a roundtrip to Mars and still have more money left over than Microsoft.

  21. "could" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or they could not.

  22. So does Google and Microsoft by sjbe · · Score: 1

    If AI becomes the next big thing, they will just buy their way into the game with acquisitions. Or they'll buy their way into a whole new market.

    Not if Alphabet (Google) or Microsoft buy it first. Microsoft and Google have comparable amounts of cash to Apple. Facebook may become a player as well and they're pretty cash rich. Amazon's biggest problem will be that it doesn't have as big a war chest as the others but it's still not a competitor to overlook.

    Blackberry never had anywhere close to the money Apple does, it's like comparing apples to prime rib.

    True though back ten years ago when Blackberry dropped the ball, Apple didn't have anywhere close to the amount of cash it does today either.

  23. As long as they have iMessage by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    They're fine. It's less a chat app and more a social network with how users approach it. When I see folks migrating off that I might believe.

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  24. Re:Android has the biggest possibility of that fat by macs4all · · Score: 1

    Google needs to say, "NO" you ship a clean android and your add on crap is in the application world that CAN BE UNINSTALLED by the end user. They also need to demand that at least all updates to the OS be pushed to phones within 30 days of release, none of this bullshit like AT&T pulls with security updates showing 6-12 months later.

    I'm pretty obviously no Google fanboi; but I've been saying this for several years now.

    But the FOSSies keep saying that "Android is Open Sores! Google CAN'T Control it!"

    Bullshit. You can put ANYTHING into an OEM Contract you want, and believe me, those handset makers and Carriers will sign-off on it; because the alternative is that they actually have to MAINTAIN a Fork of Android THEMSELVES, and not even Slamdung wants THAT headache!

    So, the only conclusion to be drawn is that Android is the steaming pile of fuck that it is, PRECISELY because that's the way Google wants it.

    Think about it before you try to defend the indefensible.

  25. Abandon privacy? Not needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a difference between private data and public data, and it should be recognized in the business rules.

    That doesn't mean you cannot query all the available data sources where data is posted publicly and use them in AI. There's already a ton of information out there. You don't have to dump your users' info into the open, and in fact, that would be a bad business decision.

    The encryption / code signing could be a LOT easier and better documented. I think that's the next thing Apple should be working on.

  26. Wait, what? by ausekilis · · Score: 1

    ...says that Apple's strong stand on privacy is keeping it from being the frontrunner in the advanced AI, a category which has seen large investments from Google, Apple, Facebook, and Amazon in the recent years. He adds that privacy cannot be an excuse, as Apple could utilize public data like the web, mapping databases, and business directories...

    So Apples competitors are investing in AI, and Apple is going to lose because it too is spending in AI?

  27. Re:Android has the biggest possibility of that fat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes please. Also, make it so that the entire OS can be updated with a newer version. Having everything locked down is a mistake.

  28. Oh Noes! Sell all your Apple off quick!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This submission must be from the, No Shit, Sherlock department.

    A. Pick Market Leader.
    B. Market Leader Could Fail by not X!
    C. Profit!

  29. Apple vs Blackberry by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    IMHO the reason Blackberry failed, was that they tried to monetize the whole Blackberry ecosystem, from their Server Platform to each device, while at the same time, not providing enough improvements to their products that they quickly became 2nd tier phone manufacturer when Apple iPhone was released. This lead to people ditching the more expensive, less functional Blackberrys for iPhone and when Android finally took off, nailed the coffin shut.

    FWIW, I owned a Blackberry, and my biggest complaint was that they tried to make me pay $5 / mo for turning on the GPS chip in the phone. That is, until it became clear that iPhones and Androids had such a feature for free. And then it was too late, for me, and for them. It was the classic case of trying to milk a dying cow, until it became clear that doing so would finish the cow off.

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    1. Re:Apple vs Blackberry by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      To answer the question: Apple needs to NOT forget who breads its butter. You don't need to nickle and dime your customers to death to survive. Looking at the lifespan of "smart phones", from the time of Palm Pilots and feature phones, I saw what a "Smart Phone" could have been. I carried both, and wish they were one device long before the Treo and iPhone came out. There are synergies that are clear, and when they are apparent, work on making them functional. Right now, there are synergies that can be made, Apple just needs to figure out what they are.

      I have my ideas of where those synergies are, and Chromebooks (with Android Apps) comes closest to lining them up. That idea still fall short of my idea. I think Google is on the right path, but their thinking (at least publicly) is still short sighted.

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    2. Re:Apple vs Blackberry by operagost · · Score: 1

      Having my Blackberry Bold refuse to charge whatsoever unless it was plugged into a PC's USB 2.0 port with a USB 2.0 cable or its own charger made me happy to ditch it. Everyone else slow charges at the safe 500ma rate, but they had to be clever.

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    3. Re: Apple vs Blackberry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had my iPod Touch declare that a charger I had been using regularly was now illegitimate after an iOS update.

  30. Wasn't Apple that did in RIM by Solandri · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know a lot of you think the iPhone's introduction was like the second coming of Christ, but RIM/Blackberry increased in market share from 2007 to 2009 immediately after the iPhone was released. RIM's decline actually correlates closer with Android's rise in popularity.

    The big losers in the early smartphone days were Nokia (Symbian was dated and badly needed an overhaul, which never happened) and Microsoft (who started off with a good lead from Windows Mobile on PDAs, but squandered it).

    As for privacy, Apple has shown they're more than happy to violate their users' privacy when it's in their self-interest. When Apple ditched Google Maps, they didn't have their own database of SSID locations, so they couldn't locate you if you had the GPS turned off. The first year they paid for a wifi database from Skyhook. The next year, they used their own database. How did they mysteriously generate this database without sending around Apple street view cars to record the SSID and location of every hotspot on Earth like Google did? By secretly logging iPhone owners' locations and nearby SSIDs, and having the phones send the info back to them. Essentially, Apple turned all iPhone owners into unpaid contractors who scoured the Earth recording the locations of every SSID, and used a chunk of their data plan to transmit this data back to themselves.

    1. Re:Wasn't Apple that did in RIM by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 2

      "Essentially, Apple turned all iPhone owners into unpaid contractors who scoured the Earth recording the locations of every SSID, and used a chunk of their data plan to transmit this data back to themselves."

      If you think that's bad, you should read on how Google Traffic works...

    2. Re:Wasn't Apple that did in RIM by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      That "location data is better with wifi on" is them telling you. It's not advertised, but neither is it secret either. it's anonymized. And in response to consumer complaints, they scrub the DB regularly. And it's sent back when you sync your phone, meaning it's on your home Internet, not on your dataplan.

      Apple takes your Apple Maps mapping request and splits it in half. So you don't get associated with a path. They also severely kneecapped iAds by not selling out your data. They do take data seriously. They sell hardware. Google is an ad company. They sell your data. Not a dig at google, but it's something Apple likes to call out in contrast. They don't make massive amounts of money on data, so it's easier for them to push that money away. They make money on hardware and services unrelated to tracking data.

    3. Re:Wasn't Apple that did in RIM by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1
      Mostly correct.

      RIM's decline actually correlates closer with Android's rise in popularity.

      RIM was holding its own against iPhone and Android just fine, until they had a global network issue and the design of the network showed a fatal flaw - their entire network was down for at least 1 week; due to the centralization of their network design, it also meant that *all* of their customers were without service. They never recovered from the event.

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  31. Timmy Cook The New Johnny Sculley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Timmy is fast to put Johnny's tactics from the late 80s to work in the 10s by driving off the team that created Siri.

    They are now well and growing as Viv, while Timmy plans to move "Apple Inc." to Abbottabad, Pakistan. Ha ha
    Through a Siri spell-check error Timmy thought "Autobadh" was in India!

    Ha hahahah hahhahah hahahha

  32. You're right, I don't believe it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's almost unbelievable today that BlackBerry ruled the smartphone market once.

    Did BB at its peak even have an app store? I thought it was just a featurephone with a keyboard and email.

  33. Stuck in the past by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    The higher resolution screens aren't as necessary PC laptops because Windows uses subpixel rendering (MS calls it ClearType) to effectively triple the horizontal resolution of the screen.

    While a nice technology modern screens render text much better using Apple's technique than most PC's with poor screens do. To quote yourself, most PC laptop text looks like "blurry crap" compared to Apple laptop screens. Even with ClearType...

    On PC laptops, there are vent holes placed underneath the hottest parts, so fresh cool air contacts those parts first maximizing heat transfer to the air (heat transfer rate is proportional to temperature differential). Also, if you spill liquid into the laptop

    Since you just said there are no vents on top of the Macbook, just how pray tell would the liquid get inside?

    The bottom vents on the PC nicely let in liquid too you know, as it flows under a laptop. With a mac you don't have to worry if something flows under it.

    As for the venting being inferior I can't see how that's true in reality, since the MacBooks I've used have all been comfortable on the lap and don't overhead.

    You were aware that having a large metal body acts to dissipate heat much more efficiently than a plastic body with a few vents, right? Right??

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    1. Re:Stuck in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While a nice technology modern screens render text much better using Apple's technique than most PC's with poor screens do. To quote yourself, most PC laptop text looks like "blurry crap" compared to Apple laptop screens. Even with ClearType...

      Unreasonable point. He had just demonstrated that PCs do not have to have poorer screens than Apple. The ClearType digression provided historical context into why there ever was a difference.

    2. Re:Stuck in the past by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      "Since you just said there are no vents on top of the Macbook, just how pray tell would the liquid get inside?" via draining down around the keyboard membrane usually.

    3. Re:Stuck in the past by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Draining down past the keyboard membrane takes time, if you spill anything on a Macbook keyboard and turn the laptop upside down quickly usually nothing will get in.

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    4. Re:Stuck in the past by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      The worst thing I've ever spilled on a keyboard was acetone. Melted right into it. Luckily it wasn't on a laptop!

  34. People Buy Apple for the Ecosystem by Koreantoast · · Score: 1

    I think your comment misses the point of why Apple is so attractive. It's not simply the form factor of the macbook, but its the entire ecosystem. That's why a lot of people are so loyal to it; one of Apple's great strengths is their ability to seamlessly integrate the different pieces of their hardware universe into a clean, unified experience. There are plenty of products with better form factors or raw technical stats for more affordable prices, but Apple commands their premium because if you're inside their ecosystem, you can move between devices with little trouble, especially compared to other alternatives, particularly Windows and Linux.

    1. Re: People Buy Apple for the Ecosystem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Translation: it's the cult. You can go into any Apple Store and feel like you belong. Apple hardware is almost like an e-Meter.

    2. Re: People Buy Apple for the Ecosystem by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      ecosystem, cult, environment, whatever you want to call it.
      apt-get anyone?

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  35. Re:Android has the biggest possibility of that fat by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Android is so fragented it is frustrating for everyone. Carriers and Manufactureres are allowed to screw it up and Google does not care

    Having owned both an iPhone and Android, I have to agree. iPhone "experience" is just overall cleaner and has better-coordinated common tools/apps.

    If Apple is cautious in order to reduce breaches, it may just well benefit them. A couple of high-profile Android breach(es) will send customers back to Apple.

    Perhaps Windows versus Mac is a better comparison than Blackberry versus iPhone. Macs are more expensive, but are more reliable, less vulnerable to malware, and have a cleaner UI. A lot of Mac users were former Windows users who got hacked or had the OS choke on them.

    Apple didn't need a large market share to make Mac's viable and profitable; it only needed roughly 10% of the market to have sufficient 3rd-party software support for the common applications used by most consumers.

    Maybe some "cool" AI will come to Android first, but it will probably be choppy and inconsistent like early trends and fads usually are. Apple will then copy only the good aspects and include it in iOS.

    The Wild West may seem fun and cheap UNTIL you get all shot up.

  36. Re:Android has the biggest possibility of that fat by rainer_d · · Score: 2

    Actually, the opposite is happening: Chinese (and others, like Amazon) companies are just forking Open-Source Android and slapping their own apps, app-stores etc. on top of it.

    Support? Updates? Who cares, right?
    You vastly overestimate the amount of influence Google has on what people do with Android. They have some influence on the source-code, of course - but once it's published, everybody can do with it whatever he wishes. And that's exactly what is happening now.

    Also, as Google seems to come up with a new "winning" strategy for Android/ChromeOS every year, can you really blame any company for not getting resources behind this year's initiative (to be killed off next year)?

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  37. No really news, if you think about it. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    I've been saying this ever since Google Apps and watching a Google IO a few years back and seriously thinking of doing a career change once again, because if it weren't for 20 year old historically grown LAMP stack technology that needs hands on fiddling to this very day I'd long be out of a job.

    Among all Megacorps it's Google whos strategy is the most future safe.

    There's a good reason Apple started offering subscription plans for iPhones a few months back. Google and its serious focus on the web is an ongoing effort that is gradually pushing everybody else aside. MS only still exists because of its serious mind share and peoples unwillingness to change habits. Once that generation of users has died of, MS will be history. Same with Apple. There's an abundance of Hardware floating about and in the long run Apples walled garden will actually make things less attractive once services and convergence devices are a dime-a-dozen.

    Google isn't really about search, never has been. It's about building an AI, a Brave New World Utopia Intelligence Machine, and as far as I can tell they are right on schedule with that, if not even perhaps a bit ahead.
    If Google plays its cards right, it will be the only Megacorp of today that will still be standing in a generation from now, that's pretty much a given.

    If I'd be asked to bet these days, all my money would be on Google.
    And it's because they are *not* about selling hard- or software. It's that simple.

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  38. But they do by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Go to any Best Buy, you can see that in fact MOST PC screens are poorer today, even when they have somewhat high resolution.

    If you have enough pixel density ClearType does nothing for you. That's why if you search for "Apple Clear Type" the first results are from 2012 and earlier, because no-one cared after that. It is interesting for historical context but he was trying to present it as if it mattered today, which it does not.

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  39. Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been reading this doom about Apple garbage for 30 years.

    Go find something productive to do, and my bad for clicking.

    1. Re: Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been running hardware with Intel instruction-set processors in it for thirty years. I've seen Apple drift this way and that, and never bothered to buy any of their products. It's always an amusement to watch Apple's Cultist customer base natter about this and that. There are so many instances where some particular technology was deemed inferior... until Apple later adopts it.

      You Apple fans are kinda nuts.

  40. Re: Why would an apple customer care about privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we sideload the Amazon App store like on Android?

  41. Because.... by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

    Apple is at hardware and services company first. Selling your data is not their primary business goal.

    Google's business model depends on violating your privacy. They subsidize the development of hardware and software services to gain more access to more data.

  42. Re:Android has the biggest possibility of that fat by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

    One of the biggest innovations of the iPhone was to strong-arm the carriers to allow an app store outside their control. This was so bad in Canada that it took nearly a year before any carrier would agree to sell them. http://www.cnet.com/news/iphone-coming-to-canada/#!

    Before the iPhone, the *customer* was the carrier. The *features* were being able to lock people out of their phones and make them pay to download their photos, upload ringtones, tether, etc, etc. The more you could lock out and frustrate the customer into buying a new phone or paying for things which should be free, the more attractive the phone was.

    I had to torrent updates for my BB from sketchy sources because the carrier didn't want to see me update... ever. It might mean I'd wait to sign another contract. None of my problems with BBs was ever fixed in any of the updates I found, and the phone never did half of what was advertised. (anyone remember wishing a "battery pull" could be mapped to a convenience button?)

    That crap which makes the Android phones suck is the same old business model. Why would they discount these phones and allow you to update it if it means you might sign a new contract for a new phone instead? Why would Google interfere with this shady business model between manufacturers and telcos? Either way, Google gets your data, which is all they want.

    Products which are abandoned is what the carrier wants.

  43. Re:Android has the biggest possibility of that fat by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

    They also need to demand that at least all updates to the OS be pushed to phones within 30 days of release

    I'd argue two things:

    1.) The update debacle is just as much Google's fault as the carriers, because the updates aren't properly modular. A whole lot of people are losing their s!!t right now because their Windows 7 or Windows 8 machines became Windows 10 machines this past weekend. The general Slashdot consensus is that Microsoft is wrong for updating computers without meaningful consent, and rightly so...but like clockwork, Samsung/HTC/Motorola/AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile are terrible for *not* rolling out OS updates fast enough.

    2.) Android is not designed to allow users to update when they want to; updates are downloaded automatically and if an option is given, it's either "install now" or "remind me in four hours", with no opt-out. While Google is at least somewhat helping the situation by keeping the APIs current with Play Services on older Android releases, the fact is that the security updates and OS patches that don't massively change the UI (never heard a non-slashdotter be happy about the Lollipop upgrade) or kernel (to remove the requirement of new drivers and baseband communication) should be separate. Windows has had this for twenty years. There's no reason for Google to compound the problem by making everything as monolithic as it is. I want to run KitKat until I replace my phone. Why? Because f'k you, that's why. The present situation is the worst set of swinging doors - either users who want to update can't, or users who don't want to update are forced to, but the technical community seems to only assume one side to be appropriate.

    I don't disagree that Google isn't handling the Android update situation properly, but I'd similarly argue that it's largely because no one agrees on what the 'right way' is. Wake up one morning and realize my phone is on a new version of Android that either installs without consent or nags me six times a day until I do? Have Google/Samsung/HTC make a desktop application explicitly for managing/backing up/updating the firmware? Have new phones with the new OS pre-loaded and let users swap out their old ones for free at their local Verizon store, letting Aunt Google move all of their data over through The Cloud(tm)? Foundationally re-write Android to adopt the Windows model of updates independent of the OS?

    Yes, the update situation should be worked out much better than it presently is. No, forcing carriers to send the MD5's over the air isn't the be all and end all solution to the problem.

  44. Re: Android has the biggest possibility of that fa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We are impressed that you know so much about Android and can lend your wise and impartial opinion to this discussion.

  45. rofl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's almost unbelievable today that BlackBerry ruled the smartphone market once."

    wat

  46. Re: Android has the biggest possibility of that fa by macs4all · · Score: 1

    We are impressed that you know so much about Android and can lend your wise and impartial opinion to this discussion.

    Funny that you didn't bitch about the GP. Why's that?

  47. Re: Why would an apple customer care about privacy by xvan · · Score: 1

    Technically and legally, yes, though they may claim that it voids your warranty.

  48. idiots, idiots everywhere by Tom · · Score: 1

    Another fool who doesn't know what he's talking about.

    Apple is a hardware company, a media company. It's not a software company or an Internet company. It has little incentive to invest in AI research. It can happily sit this one out and simply buy whatever startup comes up with something promising.

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  49. Apple is not RIM... by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

    RIM suffered from a big disruption in their network that caused all their customers to lose confidence in their ability to provide services going forward when their entire network was down for over a week, resulting in their customers also being off-line. This mean that C-level execs (CEOs, COOs, CTOs, etc - their real customers) did not have access to their email in the convenient form they had become accustomed to, and resulted in the immediate move from RIM's services to other services. It just so happened that iPhone and Android had solutions that didn't carry the same risk and provided nearly equivalent security (via webmail, and later direct Exchange synchronization).

    What RIM did would be nearly impossible for any other medium to large company to do, especially one the size of Apple. A small business? Happens all the time. People need to stop using RIM as a comparison.

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  50. Re:uh oh ... here come the apple fan boys.. by arkane1234 · · Score: 2

    How cute, anyone who says anything in defense of apple is now ostracized when such a blanket statement was made that's unsubstantiated by anything realistic. wonderful.
    This is why I don't give two shits what other people think.

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  51. Re:Android has the biggest possibility of that fat by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

    Thank you, that's what I've been saying.

    In fact, Android was the very reason I broke down and bought an iPhone at first. I went from flip phones to an android and after 2 days I gave that phone to my brother and bought an iPhone. It's an appliance to me, nothing more. I have servers and desktops to administer/program/learn/etc. I'm not wasting my time on a phone that requires me to go through that much effort to keep it functioning properly, or use it correctly.

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  52. Re:Android has the biggest possibility of that fat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is?

    Just this morning... my HTC ONE M8 got the Android M (6.0) update... it is FILLED with baked in crap from AT&T Plus the added feature for me of ADS!!! I now get advertising notifications because fucking AT&T baked into it a com. android service that shovels adverts at me.

    allowing any carrier to call it android and not ship a pure clean un-raped android is ruining it. Let the carriers do what they want, tell them they can not call it android in any way or use any of the branding.

    They will suddenly stop being scumbags overnight as users want android, not HappyAT&T OS that is compatible with a popular phone OS.

  53. $504 billion cash by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Apple (AAPL), Microsoft (MSFT), Alphabet (GOOGL), Cisco Systems (CSCO) and Oracle (ORCL) are sitting on $504 billion, or 30%, of the $1.7 trillion in cash and cash equivalents held by U.S. non-financial companies in 2015,
    http://www.blacklistednews.com...

  54. Re:Android has the biggest possibility of that fat by rainer_d · · Score: 1

    It is?

    Just this morning... my HTC ONE M8 got the Android M (6.0) update... it is FILLED with baked in crap from AT&T Plus the added feature for me of ADS!!! I now get advertising notifications because fucking AT&T baked into it a com. android service that shovels adverts at me.

    allowing any carrier to call it android and not ship a pure clean un-raped android is ruining it. Let the carriers do what they want, tell them they can not call it android in any way or use any of the branding.

    They will suddenly stop being scumbags overnight as users want android, not HappyAT&T OS that is compatible with a popular phone OS.

    I'm sorry, but you're either stupid or completely deluded. People who buy Android-phones (apart from the minuscule fan-base that trolls Apple forums) don't care what OS their handset runs. They don't even know. They don't even know what an "OS" is, to begin with. They also don't "buy" them, they get them for free when they renew a contract.

    Android is almost exactly where Google wanted it to be. They wanted it to be dirt-cheap, on phones that even the poorest can afford, so they can deliver ads to these people, too. And that's what you've got today. The only thing that didn't exactly turn-out as they hoped is that Apple is still raking in almost all the profits in the industry and is slowly pushing them from the one platform that makes them decent money.

    They thought Apple would be priced out of this race-to-the-bottom market, but that hasn't happened so far. At least not to the extent Google had obviously initially hoped to achieve.

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  55. Why does it matter? by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

    If Facebook does become big in AI, how does that hurt Apple? It's not like Facebook would try to produce their own phone (again). They will still need to partner with someone for distribution. Even Google is not going to ignore the wealthiest segment of smart phone users by ignoring iOS devices.