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Sorry, There's Nothing Magical About Breakfast (nytimes.com)

Is breakfast the most important meal of the day? Plenty of people certainly believe that, but according to a new report, that notion is based on "misinterpreted research and biased studies." The New York Times has run a piece authored by Aaron E. Carroll, a professor of pediatrics at Indiana University School of Medicine, who looked into numerous studies -- and found flaws in them -- to conclude that breakfast isn't as important after all. (Could be paywalled; alternate source) He writes: The [reports] improperly used causal language to describe their results. They misleadingly cited others' results. And they also improperly used causal language in citing others' results. People believe, and want you to believe, that skipping breakfast is bad. Carroll also points out a conflict in many of such studies: most of them have been funded by the food industry. He concludes: The bottom line is that the evidence for the importance of breakfast is something of a mess. If you're hungry, eat it. But don't feel bad if you'd rather skip it, and don't listen to those who lecture you. Breakfast has no mystical powers.

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  1. Proof of opposing hypothesis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder if the debunkers have provided evidence that supports their position that breakfast is unimportant and can be skipped? Just because the "proof" for a hypothesis is debunked, does not automatically mean the opposite of the hypothesis is true.

    1. Re:Proof of opposing hypothesis? by The-Ixian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have never been a breakfast guy. I am just not hungry in the morning unless (somewhat ironically) I eat a lot just before bed.

      As a matter of fact, if I do eat breakfast, I find it much harder to wait until lunch because I get very hungry around mid-morning.

      Other that what I stated above, I have never experienced any difference between eating breakfast and skipping it. I perform the same either way.

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  2. Breakfast has no mystical powers. by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes it does. It led Kellogg and General Mills to a bottomless pot of gold.

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  3. Finally! by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been working out on an empty stomach in the mornings for years, only to be criticized by armchair specialists about how bad or impossible this is... There's plenty of reserve energy floating around the human body and there's nothing miraculous about physical activity on an empty stomach.
    You think our ancestors woke up to a fully stocked refrigerator every morning?

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    1. Re:Finally! by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 5, Funny

      You think our ancestors woke up to a fully stocked refrigerator every morning?

      Of course not! Don't be an idiot, refrigerators are a relatively new invention.

      Our ancestors woke up to a fully stocked wooden box every morning.

    2. Re:Finally! by hey! · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've experimented with intermittent fasting. One of the benefits (besides weight loss) is that you feel sharper, more perceptive when you're a bit hungry. It's mind-altering, like taking a nootropic drug that actually works. Once you've tried it it makes extreme calorie restriction seem a bit more attractive.

      The medical advice we've had I think overstates the evidence by equating any hunger with starvation, which are two different things. Starvation is your body cannibalizing itself to avoid death. Intermittent hunger is a normal and benign state; it's nature's signal to get off your ass and find something to eat.

      The problem, as I like to say, is that evolution has gifted each one of us with an awesome mammoth killing machine, which we use sitting at a desk all day a few steps away from a refrigerator stockpiled with calorie-dense foods. And since we're not accustomed to normal hunger, we jump up and shove our face full of thousands of calories (surprisingly easy to do) because we think we're starving. So the grain of truth in the "never go hungry" philosophy is that if you aren't prepared for an occasional hunger pang, if you aren't going to be able to behave reasonably in the presence of unnatural quantities of unnatural foods, then you'd better avoid ever feeling hungry.

      Hunger is stress -- like exercise. When you first start a strength training regime, you probably can't imagine you're doing this to your body. But you adapt, and you can take levels of stress that would have been impossible to tolerate at the beginning like they're nothing.

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  4. Skip it by krray · · Score: 3

    I personally never eat breakfast -- during the work week.

    I'll eat a minimal lunch (always left overs = free mortgage payment per year :). Oh, wait, I don't have a mortgage anymore because I did that...

    On the rare weekend days that I do eat breakfast I'll skip lunch altogether. I'm not hungry.

    Dinner, for me, IS the most important meal -- and in many cases the ONLY meal I'll eat for the day.

    No, I don't snack either. The funny thing is per US BMI fatso rules I am considered over-weight too boot. Of course they have always said that about me since grade school. I've always ignored it all. Even my doctor looked me up and down and said, "No -- you're just fine. Keep doing what you're doing."

  5. No food magic at all by Kohath · · Score: 5, Informative

    Any magic things you hear about food are usually false:

    - Sodium isn't bad for you (unless you have a special condition).
    - High fructose corn syrup isn't significantly different than regular sugar.
    - Aspertame has no significant health effects.
    - Fat isn't bad for you.
    - You don't have old undigested meat in your gut.
    - You don't need 8 glasses of water per day.
    - [Food item XYZ] isn't "brain food"
    - Caffeine doesn't cause heart problems
    - You don't need X servings of Y food per day
    - Health food isn't much better for you than regular food
    - Eggs don't give you a heart attack
    - Organic doesn't mean healthy. Neither does natural.
    - Chemicals are not bad for you.

    1. Re:No food magic at all by baboon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      (I am not a doctor or nutritionist, but I read what I can and watch the whole spectrum of Netflix documentaries, from the obvious to the eccentric.)

      That's not a bad list, but...

      - Sodium isn't bad for you (unless you have a special condition).

      Sodium levels in the body can be fairly independent of ingested sodium. Some people can retain high sodium (and have high BP) even if their salt intake is very minimal. A prescription can bring that sodium down to safe values. But yes, for a lot of people, sodium intakes seems to be of only minimal consequence.

      - High fructose corn syrup isn't significantly different than regular sugar.

      I thought there was that issue where HFCS doesn't trigger the fullness response in the same way as plain sugar, provoking people to consume more. Has that been debunked now? But nutritionally, I generally treat all the "added sugars" as the same. Try eliminating all added sugar for a year and then eat an apple. They taste awesome.

      - Aspertame has no significant health effects.

      I don't eat anything that tastes awful, so I haven't even looked into it. And also, I don't trust anything "unnatural" (using my definition).

      - Fat isn't bad for you.

      In reasonable amounts. Also, I'm still buying into the whole olive oil versus crap oil thing.

      - Caffeine doesn't cause heart problems

      For some people, it can cause heart palpitations. That seems like a problem to me.

      - Health food isn't much better for you than regular food

      If "regular food" is what most people eat, then I think there is a big difference. But if you mean brown eggs versus white eggs, than probably not. The brown shells are better, though, because they're a little easier to spot in the frying pan.

      - Eggs don't give you a heart attack

      The only thing that I got from that big China study was that eggs looked pretty good and
      that eating only 1-10 servings of vegetables PER YEAR (in two provinces) was really bad. Those same two provinces were also the only places where anyone drank a considerable amount of milk and that was used for some very sketchy claims against dairy.

      Doctors tell me that ingested cholesterol only accounts for like 5% of your blood levels, so if you're doing a Cool Hand Luke on a regular basis, your probably pushing your luck.

      - Organic doesn't mean healthy. Neither does natural.

      If "organic" means no-pesticides, then I'm all for it, where I can afford it. "Natural" on the package doesn't mean anything useful and it probably will always be a junk marketing term. I use "natural" to mean anything that you could find while wandering around on the planet. Of course, then, arsenic is natural, so that isn't a good enough criteria by itself.

      I try to stick to buying food with one ingredient. It's not a perfect rule (I like vinegar in my pickles), but I think the intent is solid and it is a good mantra in the grocery store.

      - Chemicals are not bad for you.

      See arsenic.

  6. Sorry, there's nothing magical about clickbait by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you are going to work your balls off, you'd better eat breakfast. If you are going to sit on ass all day, you can probably skip it, unless you're hungry. You can now skip this article, and every other article like it. Tada!

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  7. Re:Don't agree by Kohath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My own observation is that obese people tend to skip or have a very light breakfast. They then make up for it by having a big lunch, dinner and then snacks right up until bedtime. I've always felt that you should be a little hungry when you go to bed, then have a good size breakfast in the morning. Improves sleep, and sets you up for the day, with only a light lunch and dinner required. I also find that it prevents you from feeling tired in the afternoon.

    My observation is that obese people eat snacks. Blaming it on breakfast or no breakfast is a diversion.

  8. Re:Don't agree by GLMDesigns · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's nothing magical. It's not when you eat. It's calories in versus calories out.

    Want to lose weight?

    Find out your BSR (what you need just to survive) .
    Count calories.
    Try to eat well (within the range of calories)

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  9. Breakfast IS magical by pr0t0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bacon is served at breakfast more so than other meals. Magic.

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  10. Re:Don't agree by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Some do, others eat healthy foods, but their bodies have betrayed them. For some of us it's easy to stay fit, so we can easily make the mistake of thinking obese people are gluttons. Some are, and alcohol abuse often plays a role in this, but others exercise and eat healthy food, but can't lose weight. There are even obese vegetarians.

  11. Re:In other news... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, you spend pretty much 5 hours (2.5 hours each way) a day just traveling back and forth to work?!?!?

    Nope. I get up at 4:30AM, I'm at the bus stop at 5:45AM, I'm at the cafeteria at 6:45AM, and I'm at my desk at 7:00AM. Going home can take 60 to 90 minutes to get home, depending on traffic conditions. I'm usually home by 5PM at the latest.

    That's a LOT of life you're giving up there man.

    I'm paying an extra $70 per month for the express bus to have someone else drive me through hell and back on the freeways. Meanwhile, I'm reading The Wall Street Journal in the morning and an ebook in the afternoon.

    To get up that early...what time do you crash at? 8pm?

    I usually fall asleep between 8:30PM and 10:30PM to get eight to six hours of sleep.

  12. Re:Don't agree by chipschap · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Many of the above postings are indirectly saying that metabolism is individual, and while some "collective" rules may make sense (get some exercise, don't overeat), not everything generalizes. I suspect breakfast is one of those non-generalizable things.

    We all have to find out what works best for us. I find that a small breakfast prevents me from being overly hungry at lunch and then eating more than I should. A large breakfast might have me skipping lunch and being overly hungry at dinner. I'm in the multiple small meals category, but I don't pretend this applies to everyone.

  13. Re:Don't agree by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some do, others eat healthy foods, but their bodies have betrayed them.

    The New York Times had an article on a scientific study of the 2009 Biggest Loser contestants who regain their weight because their metabolism slowed down while dieting (expected) but their metabolism never recovered (unexpected). If they ate the normal calories for their height and weight, they would be eating an extra 400 to 800 calories that their body wants to regain the lost weight.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/02/health/biggest-loser-weight-loss.html

  14. Re:I have better things to do in the morning by Hylandr · · Score: 5, Funny

    4chan containment failure detected.

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  15. I miss the Food Pyramid by T.E.D. · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyone else here old enough to remember the Four basic food groups, one of which was entirely taken up by Dairy, which a lot of humans flat out can't digest properly at all? After a while (and a lot of embarrassing gastrointestinal distress), they decided that was BS and created the Food Pyramid. The basic idea of that one was that you should be eating a metric shitload of breads. Today we call those "carbs", and these same types of people will tell you to avoid them like the plague.

    Point being that nutrition "experts" have a long proud history of being completely full of shit. They'll even admit it. But that was before. They're right this time.

    Breakfast thing being case in point. Young people should probably be fed if they are hungry, but if they aren't its usually downright stupid to force food on them. For older people this goes triple. I found with advancing age that my metabolism has slowed down to the point where if I try to force even 2 meals a day on myself, I gain weight. That's bad. Much, much worse than just eating only the 1 or 2 times a day I'm actually hungry.

  16. Free Cholesterol Test by Dareth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My grandfather told me to watch out for those so called, "free cholesterol test". He said, "That test cost me my bacon!"

    Side note, he lived to be 91 years old. ~ 30 years after the test.

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  17. Re:Oh, sure by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only solution is to say "sod it" and eat a bit of everything. Or say "sod it completely" and eat a lot of everything.

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  18. Re:One Guy by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ah yes, congress, the wise men and women of the scientific world.