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FCC Formalizes Massive Fines For Selling, Using Cell-Phone Jammers (networkworld.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Network World: Two years ago the FCC announced its intention to fine a Chinese electronics maker $34.9 million and a Florida man $48,000 for respectively selling and using illegal cell-phone jammers. Today the agency has issued press releases telling us that those fines have finally been made official, without either of the offending parties having bothered to mount a formal defense of their actions. From the press release announcing the fine against CTS. Technology: "[...] The company's website falsely claimed that some jammers had been approved by the FCC, and advertised that the company could ship signal jammers to consumers in the United States." The company did not respond to the FCC's allegations, although the agency does report that changes were made to its website that appear to be aimed at complying with U.S. law. Next up is Florida man, Jason R. Humphreys, who is alleged to have used a jammer on his commute: "Mr. Humphreys' illegal operation of the jammer continued for up to two years, caused interference to cellular service along Interstate 4, and disrupted police communications." Last Fall, a Chicagoan was arrested for using a cell-phone jammer to make his subway commute more tolerable.

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  1. Do EMP by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 1

    pulse generators count as jamming devices? Or for that matter, anti-cell tower lasers?

    1. Re:Do EMP by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 3, Funny

      Have you never seen The Core? You're going to kill people with an EMP.

    2. Re:Do EMP by HumanWiki · · Score: 1

      Have you never seen The Core? You're going to kill people with an EMP.

      Maybe that's just their DESTINI

  2. One thing by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    The FCC takes very seriously is jamming. I think that the 48K fine might be a record forfeiture.

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    1. Re:One thing by msauve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They should also take unlicensed emissions seriously. Why aren't they imposing significant fines on the use of Stingrays without a warrant?

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      "National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
    2. Re:One thing by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      That is indeed a pretty steep fine, especially if he was mislead by the company website claiming it was legal and FCC approved.

      On the other hand, it's not like he was using it on his own property, he was actually using it during his commute. Kind of hard to claim that you didn't know there was anything wrong with that. Still, $48,000?

    3. Re:One thing by sg_oneill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      $48,000?

      The thing was knocking police radio off air, and no doubt ambulance comms and so on. He got off lightly.

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    4. Re:One thing by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      If you buy something which, according to the company website, is "FCC approved", you shouldn't be on the hook for such a ridiculous amount of money just because you got scammed by that company.

      If I buy a lawnmower robot and it has an unadvertised feature that makes it sneak out at night and kill cops, will I be convicted for that? If it has all the legal labels and no mention of any features other than cutting grass?

    5. Re:One thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Stingray use by the government falls under the auspices of the NTIA, not the FCC. The FCC has no jurisdiction in this matter.

    6. Re:One thing by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      If you buy something which, according to the company website, is "FCC approved", you shouldn't be on the hook for such a ridiculous amount of money just because you got scammed by that company.

      The problem is that a person needs to know a little bit about this stuff. And ignorance of the law has never been much of a defense. And this defense adds stupidity as a kicker.Just because you want to eliminate phone calls from anywhere around you, it doesn't mean that you have the right to do that. Jammers have never been legal in the US, no matter what some Chinese manufacturer tells you.

      Clearly the asshat that was doing this wasn't a rocket scientist, apparently being content to interfere with police and emergency as well. Or not knowing. Too bad.

      It's just the law. And a good one at that. Jamming is about as simple a thing do do RF wise as is possible. But don't do it. If you are mobile, cell phone tower problems will provide a nice map of your location. And if you are stationary, you make a fine RDF target. As time goes on, the hunting process will become much more efficient.

      If I buy a lawnmower robot and it has an unadvertised feature that makes it sneak out at night and kill cops, will I be convicted for that? If it has all the legal labels and no mention of any features other than cutting grass?

      Yes. There might be mitigating circumstances, but allowing your property to be insecure opens you to liability. If a person stole your lawnmower to perform the deeds, you are pretty clear. But your silly example aside, I gotta wonder just how many people actually do not know that maliciously interfering with radio communications is illegal. And your example means that some chinese website could sell 50 caliber rounds and say they are harmless to people, so you can go on a legal killing rampage. You are going to say that's ridiculous. And it is. Same with jamming with permission of some manufacturer in some other country.

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    7. Re:One thing by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Ah, but he didn't buy a lawmower robot. He bought a copkiller robot. Advertised as a copkiller robot. Whether or not the company made it out to be legal, clearly he knew what he was doing.

      And he almost got away with it. It wasn't Verizon, AT&T, or Sprint that caught on to the problem. Instead, MetroPCS eventually noticed that reception was flatlining along the same point of I-4 twice each day.

      Exactly. As paranoid as some slashdotters are, I'm surprised they use telephones at all. The underlying bedrock principle of the cellular system is tracking, as you zip along, the towers hand you off to other towers, and they keep logs. So you have the basis of a low resolution tracking system. After the pattern is revealed - gotchya!

      When officers finally pulled him over, it didn't take long to confirm their suspicions. As they approached Humphreys' car, officers immediately noticed that their radios lost all contact with dispatch. The FCC is using the unfortunate case to remind consumers that using a jammer is "illegal under any circumstances" and can also result in jail time — though it seems Humphreys only needs to worry about the damage to his bank account.

      Despite some of the protests, they are cutting the guy some major slack. Keeping this as an F.C.C. action is doing just that. The good Mr Humphrey is fortunate that they did not connect any of his jamming to a loss of life or injury situation. Then his life would have taken an unfortunate turn.

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    8. Re:One thing by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      He was using it in his car? OK, that's kind of hard to find an excuse for. I thought it was during his commute on a train or something like that, so he wouldn't get bothered by people using their cell phones.

    9. Re:One thing by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      As paranoid as some slashdotters are, I'm surprised they use telephones at all. The underlying bedrock principle of the cellular system is tracking, as you zip along, the towers hand you off to other towers, and they keep logs. So you have the basis of a low resolution tracking system. After the pattern is revealed - gotchya!

      Some of us don't use cellular phones for exactly this reason.

      Don't think you are normal though. Cellular tracking is much more likely to vindicate you than implcate you. I can pretty much prove where I'm at at all times. Given that overzealous DA's are more worried about getting someoneanyone behind bars, I figure that I might as well use the system to my advantage. It's like my buying habits show where I'm at at a particular time. I track myself with Amateur radio aprs, and anyone in the world with a web connection can see exactly where I am at on the road. You can withdraw, or you can tilt the table in your favor.

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    10. Re:One thing by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Kilowatt linears are FCC approved. Until I hook it up to my cell phone.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    11. Re:One thing by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      He was probably making the roadways safer though. Most of the time when people merge into my lane while I'm still there, they have a phone in their hands.

    12. Re:One thing by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      If he was misled by a claim, and got a big fine because of that, maybe he could sue the company for false advertising to try to recoup at least some of that cost.

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    13. Re:One thing by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 2

      I doubt it was any safer - I'd actually expect the opposite. If they were talking on the phone while driving, and then the call suddenly drops, they're probably going to be *more* distracted, not less.

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      Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
    14. Re:One thing by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      If I buy a lawnmower robot and it has an unadvertised feature that makes it sneak out at night and kill cops, will I be convicted for that?

      Failed analogy.

      If you buy a lawnmower that the seller tells you has the specific purpose of sneaking out at night and killing cops, but he says that it is legal to do that, YES, you will be convicted for the deaths your "lawnmower" causes.

      If it has all the legal labels and no mention of any features other than cutting grass?

      How can you possibly claim that a device that is sold as a "cellphone jammer" includes no mention of the jamming of cellular telephone systems?

      Don't be silly. People buy cellphone jammers for the specific purpose of jamming other people's licensed use of public airwaves. Would anyone believe that a "TV jammer" is legal? Would anyone believe that a "cop frequency jammer" is legal? Of course not. Why should they believe that a cellphone jammer is legal, despite any claims by the vendor otherwise?

    15. Re:One thing by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Well, it could be that he just thought it jammed other people's cell phones (possibly trying to make the road safer by keeping people from using their phones) but had no idea it also jammed cops and emergency services?

      Misguided, ignorant, stupid, sure, I agree. But maybe not quite as malevolent as to deserve a $48k fine.

    16. Re:One thing by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Well, it could be that he just thought it jammed other people's cell phones

      Which a violation of federal law. It was icing on the criminal cake that it also jammed public safety users.

      But maybe not quite as malevolent as to deserve a $48k fine.

      Yes, sir. It does. Deliberate, random jamming of other people's use of licensed radio frequencies is a serious crime. You can't wave off the public safety jamming as inconsequential.

    17. Re:One thing by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Reading. It's what's for dinner!

    18. Re:One thing by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      At least buy the dynamaite that is fake-approved by ATF.

    19. Re:One thing by Agripa · · Score: 2

      So what does the use of WiFi devices which are already approved by the FCC fall under when they are used to spoof or deauthenticate other WiFi devices?

    20. Re:One thing by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Cellular tracking is much more likely to vindicate you than implcate you. I can pretty much prove where I'm at at all times.

      Unless you're in pretty sparsely populated areas, I bet there is some crime taking place within the positional accuracy of the cellphone tracking.

      I track myself with Amateur radio aprs, and anyone in the world with a web connection can see exactly where I am at on the road.

      If your APRS unit is in your car, then they can tell where your car is. You aren't necessarily in your car.

      And, of course, it is ridiculously trivial to spoof the NMEA string most APRS TNCs take and report any location you want. An Arduino can have you driving around Burbank while you are actually in Berwyn. (Berrrrwynnn?)

    21. Re:One thing by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      I doubt he used it long enough for the difference in accident rates to be statistically significant, and I also doubt you personally have access to that data.

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    22. Re:One thing by MercTech · · Score: 1

      You are confusing wifi and cellular signals.
      Wifi is 2.4 GHz or 5.3 Ghz band low power transmission for computer data. With the power kept low, no FCC license is required.

      Cellular uses several different radio frequencies from wife and are licensed to the cellular carriers. Completely different type of radio from "wifi". It is unlawful to interfere with licensed transmission frequencies. So, NO, you can't jam cell frequencies. Wifi, on the other hand, is on a limited power no license required permit to the manufacturer. If your wifi is being interfered with; you probably have no legal recourse unless you can show it is an intrusion attempt.

      http://www.ospmag.com/issue/article/022012-Stoffels

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    23. Re:One thing by Agripa · · Score: 1

      I am aware of the differences. My point is that the FCC is enforcing rules against non-interference with WiFi which it is not enforcing against cellular.

      https://yro.slashdot.org/story...

      Note that they were blocking WiFi via interception or deauthentication and not jamming in the sense of capturing the receiver using a stronger signal.

  3. Yes, good job FCC!!! by gavron · · Score: 1, Informative

    These people didn't argue so the fine becomes formal. That's how the process works,
    but it neither makes the fine appropriate nor does it set followable precedent.

    You can rest easy that "CTS" (the Chinese firm -- not its real name) will continue to sell
    the jammers under many many other names and the amount they will pay the FCC will
    be somewhere around $0.

    You can rest easy that just like prisons want to use cellphone jammers https://gcn.com/articles/2013/...
    so too do beat cops who stop a motorist on the road. That way they can prevent that
    "call to the lawyer" that might help preserve the rights of the individual.

    When law-enforcement plays with these toys, that means they too are interfering with
    legitimate signals and communication. That takes all the hot air out of the FCC's
    "think of the [adult] children [communicating]!" message.

    Nobody will pay a fine.
    Cellphone jammers will become more ubiquitous... like drones [UASs] only not so popular.
    But hey, headlines.

    Ehud
    Tucson AZ

    1. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by zenlessyank · · Score: 2

      Now just strap a jammer on a drone...Profit!!!

    2. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by meerling · · Score: 1

      Other than hollywood fantasy, I'm unaware of any jammers being used by law enforcement in the US.
      (The FCC really hates that kind of stuff.)

    3. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh, you're unaware of it? Let me get on the horn with the AG! They need to make sure you're in the loop on this shit.

    4. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by kbonin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Stingrays, (aka Cell-site simulators, IMSI catchers) also violate these FCC regulations and ARE in WIDE use by law enforcement in the US from the federal level all the way down to small town police departments and many misc. state and federal agencies. And I'd argue that intercepting, monitoring, and recording all cell activity in an area, almost always without a warrant, is a far more egregious crime than just jamming cell devices nearby. But its been made pretty clear the laws no longer apply to those who "enforce them" on the plebes...

    5. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by peragrin · · Score: 1, Insightful

      We have spent years studying wireless signals, and in the last 50 years we went from radios the size of a book, to small pocket and ear bud sized devices.

      What is needed is for jamming tech to evolve too, and banning all research, study, and thinking into it doesn't help.Places likes prisons, etc should be able to monitor communications inside their area and jam them. Prisons should be able to block cell phones in their own area. Why can't prisons have 6-12 stingray type devices with directional antenna's that automatically triangulate all signals inside? Guards could quickly track down contraband phones.

      yet the FCC prevents people from even studying how that could work.

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    6. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Other than hollywood fantasy, I'm unaware of any jammers being used by law enforcement in the US.

      Do the Stingray devices have a jam mode? It would be trivial to include it.

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    7. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 2

      Or at least, add a complementary toast mode.

    8. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Prisons should be able to block cell phones in their own area.

      They can. It's not that hard to block cell signals. On the scale of a cost of a prison, it's minor.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    9. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not super hip on everything, but I thought that they jammed signals so the phones drop to a 3g connection because 4g was harder to break or something. Though I could be thinking of a earlier predecessor to the stingray system.

    10. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by mysidia · · Score: 3, Informative

      When law-enforcement plays with these toys, that means they too are interfering with legitimate signals and communication.

      Law enforcement officers are Not exempt from the FCC regulations, regarding usage and respect of spectrum allocations. For example, their radios are not allowed to transmit outside their assigned or frequencies licensed for that purpose, with a radio that is approved for the service it is operating in.
      Cops are prohibited from transmitting a jamming signal, just like you are, even if they believe that they might have some legitimate cause to pursue that course, they could still be subject personally to FCC fines, penalties, or imprisonment with a felony charge, even if their local chief of police asked them to do it.

    11. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by mysidia · · Score: 1

      The laws still apply fully. Sometimes it can be challenging to get them enforced properly.

      Two of the problems in the United States, are (1) The unduly high cost of lawyers and pursuing actions, And (2) The high requirements to obtain "standing" in court to actually sue --- It is not enough that someone's legal rights are infringed.... In order to be heard in court, you actually have to have evidence that not only were YOU personally and directly affected, BUT a Real material financial loss or other damage resulted.

      Your anxiety that they could have used a stingray on you is not enough to be heard in court, you see, and the people using them are very sneaky about it, so their targets are unlikely to get the evidence to actually file the suit.......

      However, if the pattern of abuse continues.... they are bound to eventually create the right conditions for someone to sue, provided when they do so, that person has the right legal counsel to recognize this, AND the $$$, resources, time, patience, and perseverance are there to bring the whole thing to trial......

    12. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Places likes prisons, etc should be able to monitor communications inside their area and jam them.

      No they should not, because this can interfere with communications unrelated to the prison as well.

      Besides, they have perfectly viable means to address the issue of unauthorized transmitters.

      Guards could quickly track down contraband phones.

      "Stingray" devices and deceptive communications are not necessary for this. A small sensor network with a few software-defined radios scanning all the frequency ranges used by cell phones could do this as well, and could also potentially detect other contraband radios that are not cell-phones.

    13. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by hankwang · · Score: 1

      "In order to be heard in court, you actually have to have evidence that not only were YOU personally and directly affected, BUT a Real material financial loss or other damage resulted."

      Unless you are law enforcement (prosecutor, FCC, etc.). The question is: why doesn't the FCC take action against stingrays?

    14. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by Megol · · Score: 1

      I can't prove you aren't an alien (of the space kind) or aren't retarded. However the indications available would make both of those things very unlikely just as law enforcement using jammers is unlikely as it would be easily detected.

    15. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Whatever civics classes you may have had in the course of your education, you obviously failed them because governments have always had powers not available to regular citizens.

      And that's precisely what the authors of the US Constitution did with that document that was so radically different from every other nation and nation-state that ever existed. It started with the idea that *the people* were the ones in power, and they grudgingly agree to lend a small portion of that power to the government while retaining all other powers not specifically loaned to the government.

      Today it seems like many US citizens can't be bothered with dealing with all these rights and responsibilities and just want Daddy Government to tell them what they can and can't do and give them free (other peoples') stuff/money.

      They forge their own chains and wear them like rappers wear bling, and then are shocked when the government mistreats them.

      Strat

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    16. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      But if it's illegal for citizens to have armor piercing ammo or automatic weapons, why do cops need them? Who are they fighting with them?

    17. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      Also, why do cops while they are off duty (civilian) need access to weapons that regular non-paramilitary civilians can't buy?

    18. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      That is correct, but they'll drop it to 2g/Edge in most cases and the ones found by military bases of unknown origin also did that. They would falsely broadcast to your phone that you still have a 4g or LTE connection though. That detection was one of the features on that "black phone" that was supposed to be super secure.

    19. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      But then what would the Fed do with all the surplus weapons and armor they give/sell/grant to police departments?

    20. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by messymerry · · Score: 1

      " they could still be subject personally to FCC fines, penalties, or imprisonment with a felony charge,"...
      ...and the chance of that happening is approximately ZERO.

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    21. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by Agripa · · Score: 1

      I would add to this that the FCC does apparently regulate the use of WiFi devices which obey all regulations as far as RF emissions but spoof or deauthenticate other WiFi devices. Stingrays do the same thing for cell phones.

    22. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by Agripa · · Score: 1

      It is not enough that someone's legal rights are infringed.... In order to be heard in court, you actually have to have evidence that not only were YOU personally and directly affected, BUT a Real material financial loss or other damage resulted.

      Which is another way to say that the innocent have no civil rights.

    23. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Do the Stingray devices have a jam mode? It would be trivial to include it.

      They do not need to jam in the traditional RF sense but since they are capable of impersonating a cell tower, all they have to do is accept calls and not forward them. The "legal" WiFi jammers do this yet the FCC went after them.

    24. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Law enforcement does not need jammers although they have them; they have the power to shut down cell phone service as needed.

    25. Re:Yes, good job FCC!!! by MercTech · · Score: 1

      Point of order; it is NOT illegal for citizens to own fully automatic weapons or armor piercing ammunition. To own them you must pay for a special transfer permission which is prohibitively expensive for the average person. Taxing the crap out of machine gun ownership permits is legal but outright prohibiting is against the 2nd amendment.

      Go check www.atf.gov and look for "Class 3" firearms license. You will get links to downloadable PDF files with forms and requirements for Class 3 dealers and owners.

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  4. So when.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1, Troll

    Do they start fining Law enforcement?

    Oh wait, the law doesn't apply to them...

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  5. Regulatory punishment by Kohath · · Score: 1

    This incident reminds us why Congress is supposed to make laws and determine penalties for breaking them, not unelected regulators.

    1. Re:Regulatory punishment by ScentCone · · Score: 1, Troll

      Oh, right, because Sanders wouldn't DREAM of using the executive branch to enforce his own policy vision - he'll just let congress do as they will. Yup. Other than, of course, all of the crap he's promising that congress will never do, which means he's either lying, or planning on acting just like Obama in that regard.

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    2. Re:Regulatory punishment by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Congress DID make a law determining penalties. It's the Communications act of 1934.... 47 USC S 503 Forfeitures, https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...

      And the FCC is specifically assigned the responsibility of determining the forfeiture amounts, within certian limits

      (D) In any case not covered in subparagraph (A), (B), or (C), the amount of any forfeiture penalty determined under this subsection shall not exceed $10,000 for each violation or each day of a continuing violation, except that the amount assessed for any continuing violation shall not exceed a total of $75,000 for any single act or failure to act described in paragraph (1) of this subsection.

    3. Re:Regulatory punishment by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      How, precisely, does this remind us?

    4. Re:Regulatory punishment by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

      At THIS point, Vermin Supreme is looking good. . .

  6. Cell-Phone Jammers by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Can't we 3D print these things by now?

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  7. Just go Oldschool by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

    Hey, if other people on the bus or train are annoying you with their chatter or cell phones, just go with a totally legal, oldschool jammer: http://ajournalofmusicalthings...

  8. obligatory.... by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

    Oceanians live in a constant state of being monitored by the Party, through the use of advanced, invasive technology.

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  9. Jammers are banned ... and stay banned by golodh · · Score: 1
    Sorry, but you cannot have Joe P. Public operating a cellphone jammer whenever and wherever he likes.

    Doing so will infringe more on others' rights to operate a cellphone than can be justified by allowing any individual the right to jam. That's built into the technology.

    This sort of assessment is built into the structure of the laws, and now it has emerged in the form of an administrative measure (backed up by laws that grant the FCC authority to manage wireless spectrum issues),.

    You as an individual may or may not agree, but this is just the way the laws are set up ... and now it's backed up by fines.

    Arguments about prisons and law-enforcement officers don't cut it, because the same reasoning that found that the interests of would-be jammers are outweighed by those of other members to the public is almost certain to come down on the side of the interest of those with a legitimate interest in jamming cellphone communication.

    In other words: law enforcement officers and organisations like prisons are allowed to do what ordinary members of the public aren't.

    It can't very well be otherwise, can it? So we'd better get to get used to it.

  10. Forget cell phone jammers by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about a way to stop idiots blasting terrible music from their phones and annoying everyone else on the train/bus.

    1. Re:Forget cell phone jammers by wkwilley2 · · Score: 1

      Ear plugs seems to be an easy, cost effective measure.

      Don't get me wrong, I can't stand it either, but sometimes it's just easier to ignore it and move on.

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    2. Re:Forget cell phone jammers by shentino · · Score: 1

      We call that having a vigilant driver/conductor booting passengers off that break the rules.

    3. Re: Forget cell phone jammers by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      As if that's going to happen.

  11. How long for smart jammers that are hard to detect by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These two stories about jammers seem to indicate that the only reason these people got caught is that they had dumb jammers that just continuously broadcast, making their triangulation easy.

    Where are the smart jammers that operate at low power thresholds and operate intermittently -- some pattern of briefly on, then off, then on again, in a kind of random backoff cycle before going off? Or have some kind of passive radio detection to not transmit unless there is a nearby handset in use signature?

    The idea would be a jammer that produced enough interference to disrupt and discourage use in a narrow local window, but with a limited on profile such that it was much harder to detect.

  12. Re:How long for smart jammers that are hard to det by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Smart jammers have been designed and built for decades. Simple barrage or swept frequency jammers are cheap, cheap, cheap and work well if you have a good power advantage over the victim. That's why that's what you're seeing.

    Clearly, there *are* people making better jammers - there are a variety of companies that do this mostly for defense dept type applications. There is no legitimate large market for smart jammers, so the jammer makers (e.g. in China) aren't going to invest much money and time in developing them.

    The other problem is that as you start having more jammers, the things you are jamming will evolve to have counter counter measures.

  13. Good luck with that... by advocate_one · · Score: 1

    fine a Chinese electronics maker $34.9 million

    try collecting on that...

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  14. Re:What if you use one in your car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    to make your commute more dangerous by keeping everyone focused on figuring out why their phone isn't working instead of paying any attention at all to the road?

    FIFY

  15. Meanwhile by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I now average about 6 telemarketer phone calls per day on my mobile, to the point I have to even shut off vibrate along with the ringer. I know this is more of an FTC issue, but this is becoming ridiculous and 'Do Not Call' is a fucking joke (as is my pre-pay carrier that allows me to block a grand total of 5 phone numbers). If DNC and the carriers (which are no doubt making bank off telemarketers) were serious, we would be able to instantly flag a number calling us directly within the phone interface.

    I wish there was a black list phone app that would block (as in not even trigger the phone circuitry) any phone number I flag, but I'm sure such a thing would ironically (or regulatory captured) be expressly forbidden by said FCC.

    1. Re:Meanwhile by c · · Score: 2

      I wish there was a black list phone app that would block (as in not even trigger the phone circuitry) any phone number I flag

      A lot of Android dialers (alternative or built-in) have this. It's of limited use with scam telemarketers as they usually use fake caller ids seeming local to the target (only differing from the target number by the last four digits). My carrier seems to have started to defeat that by prefixing those caller ids with 011.

      But yeah, we're at the point where the technology to report scam numbers to the carrier should be more than feasible. There's just zero incentive for the carriers to actually take action on any of that.

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    2. Re:Meanwhile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How will the carrier know? Especially with a internationally originated call they mostly have to believe what the other carrier tells them.

    3. Re:Meanwhile by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      My prepaid dumb phone lets me set the ring tone to "none," so I just have all the repeat spammers in my book. You have to do it in the phone contacts, not in the carrier interface.

    4. Re:Meanwhile by Agripa · · Score: 1

      How will the carrier know?

      They could let the owner block international calls or at least mark them as international but why would the carrier care? They make money from unsolicited calls.

    5. Re:Meanwhile by Rexdude · · Score: 1

      I wish there was a black list phone app that would block (as in not even trigger the phone circuitry) any phone number I flag, but I'm sure such a thing would ironically (or regulatory captured) be expressly forbidden by said FCC.

      Truecaller comes close. It has a crowdsourced blacklist of spammers (both telemarketing calls and bulk SMS senders) and can silently block incoming calls/divert spam SMSes. When you get a spam call, you can mark it as such and it will be added to their global blacklist.

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  16. Re:Thanks, now get the Ham Radio assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A HAM radio station is an FCC licensed station. They have the right to transmit, and your equipment (and person) must continue to operate properly in the presence of this transmission an FCC part B device. A HAM radio is *not* a part B device, so this clause does not apply to the equipment at the HAM station.

    Sorry, buddy. You're SOL.

  17. Re:You'd have to be dumb to get caught by Matt_Bennett · · Score: 1

    The cell phone companies also have the ability to determine who was near the jammer when it was turned on- they can, have, and will correlate this data to find the jammer & operator. When a device with a strong signal suddenly drops off the network, that's a giant red flag.

  18. Dynamaite? by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

    Is Dynamaite really just Dynamite that has been branded for Pirates?
    And why would The Drug Enforcement Agency approve something like that?
    Well, at least the ads would be great:
    Arrr, smoke yerself some new Dynamaite, It'll blow yer mind!

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  19. Still the problem remains... by Max_W · · Score: 1

    They have to ban talking loudly and endlessly over a cellphone on public transportation then. It is sometimes unbearable and may even constitute a moral torture.

  20. I see a increase in sales of jammers by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    Quick! Before they make jammers illegal. Oh wait, they already are. Anyway, this reminds me of story some years ago about jammers where someone read of earlier story, went to ebay and purchase one and he mentioned, "Now my wife and I can have dinner at our favorite restaurant in peace."

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  21. Meanwhile 2 by John+Da'+Baddest · · Score: 1

    So how come the FCC (and other Gov't TLAs) haven't cracked down on email spammers and telephone scammers as well? Also disruptive to communication. Maybe it will take a real weirdo president to put things into perspective. A couple candidates come to mind. And one of them thinks running one's own email system should be just a secure as what the feds can offer. How did Hillary avoid junk mails?

  22. Re:What a JOKE! by MercTech · · Score: 1

    Operating a radio transmitter without a license is a violation of federal law and international treaty. Certain frequency bands are opened to the general public by licenses, with power restrictions, to the manufacturers who must demonstrate their products comply with FCC specifications.

    Common low power devices which have a manufacturer's license and require no personal license:
    CB radios
    Wireless computer hubs
    Radio controlled toys (drones, planes, etc)
    RF key fobs
    RF remote controls
    RFID readers

        Modifying a low power device to have a higher power transmitter than the manufacturer was licensed for violates FCC regulations and can get you fines and prosecution under federal law. You will find that most consumer RF devices are limited, by law, to no more than 5 watt transmitters.

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