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E-Cigs Are Exploding In Vapers' Faces At An Alarming Rate (buzzfeed.com)

E-cigs are becoming increasingly popular, but are they safe enough? BuzzFeed News is reporting about accidents where e-cigs have exploded in vapers' faces. The report claims that these incidents are occurring at an alarming rate. From the report (condensed): Across the country, defective e-cigarettes -- the nicotine delivery machines that have taken over every strip mall and sidewalk, seemingly overnight -- are creating hundreds of victims like Cavins (a 63-year-old Orange, California-based family therapist who lost an eye after an e-cig device exploded in his face), people whose lives are suddenly and horrifyingly changed when their devices blow up. They are people like Thomas Boes, whose vape exploded while he was driving outside San Diego and struck him with such force that two of the three teeth he lost lodged in his upper palate; Kenneth Barbero, whose exploding device ripped a hole in his tongue; and Marcus Forzani, a 17-year-old whose left leg was charred from his calf to his thigh after a vape battery exploded in his pocket. An unpublished FDA analysis found 66 reports of e-cigarette overheating, fires, and explosions in 2015 and the first month of 2016, a number the agency calls "an underestimate of actual events."

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  1. darwinian pressure by just+another+AC · · Score: 5, Funny

    And people say evolutionary pressure doesn't exist in modern society...

    1. Re:darwinian pressure by michelcolman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cigarettes used to slowly degrade your teeth, affect your eyesight and turn your face into something that looks like roadkill. Looks like these e-cigarettes are a huge improvement then! No more waiting 20 or 30 years for the cancer to set in, instant results in the blink of an eye.

    2. Re:darwinian pressure by KiloByte · · Score: 4, Funny

      Every piece of hardware on that device you are typing on has material that causes cancer FYI.

      That material causes cancer only if you're in California.

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    3. Re:darwinian pressure by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's why I make sure not to vaporize and breathe my keyboard.

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    4. Re: darwinian pressure by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And if you bother to dig any deeper, rather than take these "studies" at face value (many of which are paid for by Lorillard through their "citizens for a concerned America" PAC) you'll find they ALWAYS land in one of 3 camps,

      1.- Rich dumbshit with more money than sense buys a $300+ mech mod, which has warnings all over it saying how you MUST know ohms law, resistances, and the strength of the batteries you intend to use to use this product safely, then promptly buy a $20 gas station top and slap on it, thus blowing his deserving dumbass up,

      2.- Cheapskate dumbshit buys a $10 knock off of a $90 unit off of Chinabuye and then is shocked! Shocked I tell you! That a cheapo Chinese Crap knock off is actually unsafe and blows up in his dumbass face,

      3.- Impatient dumbshit ignores all the warnings in the brochure that came with his battery that says to ONLY use the slow trickle charger that comes with the unit, thinks "hey its USB, my fast cellphone charger is USB!"...can you see where this is going? Yep he uses the fast charger to cook the batteries and then is amazed when a device designed for a slow trickle charge becomes unstable when you use a charger that puts out 4 times the amps as what the unit was designed for.

      I'm sorry but stupid is as stupid does, and if you actually buy quality units instead of fakes and follow the instructions that come in the box? Then you have NOTHING to worry about. These scare studies hold about as much truth as the ads staring doctors big tobacco used to run, because they ignore the fact that the users were either ignoring instructions, using fakes they picked up off a ChinaMart, or like the mech mod moron buying a unit designed for guys with the skill to build their own sub-ohm coils from scratch and just slapping some top he got in a gas station on it.

      To use a /. car analogy it would be like blaming motorcycles for the rich kid that buys a Ninja for his first bike and wraps it around a pole at 150MPH+ or the cheapskate that buys one of those "long fong" Chinese scooters and finds out the brakes don't work going down a steep hill.

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    5. Re: darwinian pressure by slazzy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The batteries shouldn't explode whem plugged into a USB with higher ampage available. That is a defective product.

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  2. Wow by geek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    66 whole reports?! Why, we need a law immediately! Someone call Congress!

    1. Re:Wow by BenJeremy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Hundreds of victims!

      No way is this FUD from the tobacco industry trying to protect their cigarette, gum and patch sales.

    2. Re:Wow by TemporalBeing · · Score: 5, Interesting

      66 whole reports?! Why, we need a law immediately! Someone call Congress!

      I wonder..how many...new Lung Cancer incidents due to tobacco were there in the same period? house fires? car fires?

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    3. Re:Wow by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was looking for those 18650 batts for an arduino project (good for quadrapeds) and I noticed all the really scary sounding chinese brand names like ultrafire.

      could the chinese - oh, I don't know - HIRE someone who speaks english as a first language and consult with them before picking stupid anglo sounding names?

      whoever thought that adding the word 'fire' to a BATTERY would help sales - he needs to spend some qualty time with the same batteries for extended periods.

      china simply sells the lowest quality that will still allow them to continue to sell but that is so dangerous and has no q/a that a US vendor would be sued to bankruptcy in no time flat.

      thing is; you can't sue china or their companies! this is the scam. you guy some dangerous shit from amazon or ebay via chia brands and it blows up on you. who do you go after? amazon has lawyers to cover themselves. good luck with that. ebay, same thing and they'll just blame the seller, who is already on his 23rd company name, soon to 'go out of business' and restart all over again.

      this is the scam. they are untouchable and they know it.

      china batteries are the issue. its not about anything else but the batteries and the chargers. both are fires just waiting to happen.

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    4. Re:Wow by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's funny because tesla cars are the least-dangerous in the most-severe collisions. Even when the battery is all fucked up, the fire is isolated away from the passenger compartment; and high-impact collisions transfer much less energy to the driver and passengers, thanks to enormous crumple zones.

    5. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is what happens when you store your victim count using signed byte, instead of int.

    6. Re:Wow by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's an absolute-fucking-lutly horrible place for a fire to happen, you know how fire travels ... Right?

      In every Tesla crash which has breached the battery and caused a fire, two things have happened. First, the passenger compartment was more-than-adequately protected--to the point that passengers actually came back WHILE THE CAR WAS ON FIRE, got back in the car, retrieved personal effects and left. I recommend against this, as lithium smoke is bad. Second, firefighters tried putting out metal fires with water--never do this.

      And the car actually carries FAR MORE energy in the passenger cabin during frontal impacts. In normal front engine ICE cars, the engine and all its mass is the first thing to stop, adding no stress to the cabin.

      The engine carries more momentum and can act as a ram to possibly break down an object that's distinctly not a tree (if you hit a tree, it will stop you). Otherwise, the engine is a huge brick that doesn't do much to protect the passenger, and gets in the way of crumple zones--meaning the car disperses less of the energy of stopping, and SLAMS the passenger to a stop where a Tesla more gently slows the passenger to a stop ("slows" is a relative term here, as is "gently").

      On the other hand, the tesla battery is directly attached, very strongly to the cabin... Effectively driving it forward with all the battery mass/energy. Are you still so silly to think that's better cause if so you need some basic physics lessons.

      I think it's better because, in all tests and all real-life collisions, it has proven to be better.

      Hate to break it too you, but those two things are examples of tesla getting it wrong

      What's wrong is your basic theoretical understanding of the practical engineering of the Telsa car versus an ICE in the context of a high-speed collision. You can scream about how you *think* high-energy impacts are going to work in each platform all you want; and, in the real world, they'll work out HOW THEY ACTUALLY HAPPEN.

      This is the same thing as when you look at a sheet of aluminate glass and say, "oh, that's a glass, it can't possibly hold up to an impact," and then somebody smashes a 25 pound sledgehammer into it and it bounces off. Aluminate glass, at 1cm, holds up to impact pressures of well-over 1,000 kg per meter even when heated to hundreds of degrees celsius. Whether you perceive it as being a frail material matters as much as whether you perceive a Tesla to be dangerous: when the hammer comes down, those perceptions won't hold up.

    7. Re:Wow by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 5, Funny

      Diesel is the solution

      No it's the solvent.

      If you aren't part of the solution, you are the precipitate.

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  3. And the solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Government to the rescue!

    Seriously, use a protected battery, use only one battery in the device, in low wattage devices that have short-circuit protection, and don't overcharge your battery. And don't buy the cheap shit batteries - the three bucks you save won't be worth it. It's that fucking simple.

  4. They forgot to mention by phishybongwaters · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The battery... I've only ever heard of them exploding or overheating with the massive, third party, batteries that go well beyond 4.8v This is the same nonsense as the "e-ciggs cause popcorn lung" fiasco. No, they don't. But if you are an idiot that heats it up to 700 degrees, you deserve what you get. I've quick smoking thanks to my ecigg, and i'm basically done using that as a crutch. THAT'S why these reports exist, follow the trail and you'll find yourself at the feet of big tobacco

  5. Looney Toons by Kenshin · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is why you never accept a vape from Bugs Bunny.

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  6. Lawsuit time! by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know that the first thing people will reach for is regulatory oversight, including banning them, but I remember that Underwriter's Laboratories isn't a government agency, and people are buying vaporizers from dodgy sources. Lawsuits, in this case, can only do so much I think. The companies will simply go bankrupt.

    So I have to ask, as I'm a non-smoker who hasn't looked into it, are there any safety organizations that have published safety standards and are offering their guarantee mark to vaporizers that meet said safety standards?

    A few stories like this making the rounds of e-cig communication lines(forums, magazines, websites), and the saying to 'get a UL listed one or you risk it blowing up!', and safety should improve.

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  7. Don't use cheap batteries. by ArylAkamov · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is why you DO NOT BUY CHEAP BATTERIES.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    This is what happens if you get a shitty 18650 without any kind of protection circuitry and/or an ecig without a vented battery compartment.

    How to tell if the battery is likely to explode:

    http://www.lygte-info.dk/info/...

    http://lygte-info.dk/info/isMy...

    tl;dr stop buying cheap shit and expecting it to withstand a 35+ amp draw.

  8. Mech mods, cheap batteries and user error by fl_litig8r · · Score: 4, Informative

    will undoubtedly account for 99% of these cases. There are no details in this story about what caused the batteries to explode, but I've read other articles which sometimes shed light on these cases. The guy with the leg burns kept loose batteries in his pocket with keys and coins. Another victim was a brand new vaper using a mech mod (it said he pushed the button on the bottom of the device, a tell-tale sign that it was a mech mod), and it was clear that someone else has prepared his gear and he had no idea what he was doing. In fact, I'd wager that most people with exploding batteries were mech mod users. Why mech mods still exist is beyond me. They have no protective circuitry, so if your build causes too high a draw on the battery, or the device gets stuck in the "on" position, you're going to have a big problem.

    The one possibly unavoidable problem with any e-cigarette is counterfeit batteries. If you're trying to be safe and you buy Sony, Samsung or LG batteries, it can be tough to tell if they're genuine or not (I've gotten counterfeits myself through an Amazon third-party seller). If I have any doubts that a battery I'm using isn't genuine, it gets boxed and disposed of immediately. Of course, counterfeit batteries aren't only a problem for vapers, but the proximity of the device to your face will generally cause more damage than for, say, a flashlight user.

  9. Re:No, Not Good by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 5, Informative

    Propylene glycol is also known as fog juice, the stuff that goes into stage smoke machines, and it's used as a food additive. It metabolises to lactic acid and is considered safe, which is why it's used in e-cigs.

    Antifreeze is usually ethylene glycol, which is toxic. However, both salt and ethanol can also be used as antifreeze, and while they can be lethal in sufficient quantities they too are considered fit for human consumption. Calling something "antifreeze" tells you no more about its toxicity than calling something "natural" (i.e. snake venom) or "organic" (i.e. benzene).

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  10. Re:According to TFA by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 4, Informative

    There have been 66 cases reported according to the first link. 66. Out of tens of millions of devices.

    This is just a typical case of control freaks in government looking for something else to get their fingers in.

    Actually, they are trying to drum up public fear so they can win the lawsuits against their crazy new regulations. Which will basically cause all e-cigs to vanish from the market. Except the ones sold by the big tobacco conglomerates.

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