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Study: '50% of Misogynistic Tweets From Women' (bbc.com)

An anonymous reader writes: A study performed by researchers behind the Internet campaign "Reclaim," suggests that half of all misogynistic tweets posted on Twitter come from women. The campaign is designed to show the public the impact of hate speech and abuse on social media. They have opened an online forum to discuss ways to make the internet less aggressive, sexist, racist and homophobic. For the study, thinktank Demos counted the number of uses of "slut" and "whore" were used on Twitter to indicate misogyny. They analyzed 1.5 million tweets sent by UK Twitter users over a three-week period and used its own Natural Language Processing tool to filter the tweets in order to determine whether they were used aggressively, conversationally, or for self-identification. Demos found 6,500 unique users being targeted by 10,000 explicitly aggressive and misogynistic tweets. Internationally, they recorded more than 200,000 aggressive tweets using the same terms that were sent to 80,000 people in the same three-week period. It claims it found 50 percent of the abusive tweets to have come from women. BBC also notes a study performed in 2014 from cosmetics firm Dove that found over five million negative tweets were posted about beauty and body image. Four out of five of those tweets were sent by women.

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  1. This very study is problematic... by DaHat · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... and misogynistic, again proving the need for for to take gender studies degrees.

    Clearly these women have deeply rooted cases of internalized misogyny thanks to the always present patriarchy.

    Down with STEM!

    1. Re:This very study is problematic... by Latentius · · Score: 4, Informative

      The analog of "misogynistic" for males would be "misandrous." "Misanthropic" applies to all humans, in which case 100% of the tweets would come from the victimized group.

    2. Re:This very study is problematic... by DaHat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Conservative women can be just as toxic as the cave-men

      Somehow, I don't imagine this woman is a conservative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      From what we know of TrigglyPuff, she's not either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      and yes they're still caught up in their male dominated society that can fairly be called a patriarchy.

      In some places in the middle-east for example? Sure... yet that's not where we usually hear screams of patriarchy from/about.

      Some are even so damaged as to be Trump supporters.

      What then of the women supporting Sanders 'for the boys'?

    3. Re:This very study is problematic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Women are attracted to patriarchs, though. Leadership personality traits always boosts sexual market value.

      And not "broken" women. I have met (and dated) actual broken (by severe child abuse) women (two, to be precise). Those were the only ones I have ever met that authentically disliked alpha-males, and were only happy when intimate with submissive men.

    4. Re:This very study is problematic... by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The truth is that the VAST majority of women have no interest in the rules or roles that feminists want to impose upon them. It has nothing to do with "conservatism". Women freely choose to engage in objectifying themselves. It was one of the earliest forms of women's lib.

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    5. Re:This very study is problematic... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh c'mon, that is a good joke going to waste. Here's how you do it:

      No, 100% of misanthropic tweets come from men.

      Why? 'cause there's no computer in the kitchen.

      See? It ain't that hard.

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    6. Re:This very study is problematic... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, we've learned by now that not the word matters, but who uses it. And it sure wasn't a Feminist that taught us, it was the late George Carlin, philosopher and wise cracker.

      "You know how Eddie Murphy talks about niggers? Does that mean Eddie Murphy is a racist? OF course not. Eddie Murphy isn't a racist. He's a nigger"

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    7. Re:This very study is problematic... by internerdj · · Score: 2

      I don't really blame them. This society seems to think that anyone who has a goal outside of max immediate productivity is bordering on insane. We're carrying productivity views that are pre-women's liberation and everybody is suffering. They are just reacting to society as it is. People need time to take care of and spend time with their children, their parents, their friends and family, and themselves. A healthy balance maxes long term productivity.

    8. Re:This very study is problematic... by doconnor · · Score: 2

      Not quite 100%.

  2. Overuse of the word "misogyny" by Kludge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just because someone says something sexist or funny does not make him a "misogynist". I know lots of people who say sexist stuff, some of which is true, but no one I know actually hates women.
    Thanks, Slashdot, for continuing to misuse the term.

    1. Re:Overuse of the word "misogyny" by DaHat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's *current year*, and disagreeing with a women on the internet is the definition of misogyny, duh!

      Why let facts or actual motivations get in the way of a good ole 2 minutes hate... which should have ended decades ago?

    2. Re:Overuse of the word "misogyny" by Latentius · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Totally agreed. People these days keep throwing around the word "misogyny" when it doesn't really seem applicable. There's a difference between hating a woman simply for being a woman, and hating an individual for who they are or what they've done, and employing sexist language to insult them.

    3. Re:Overuse of the word "misogyny" by dwywit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are some people who can't fathom or won't face why they're being treated with disrespect, contempt, or even paternalism, and can't get their heads around the possibility that it's *them* - their own personality - so they shift the burden to a much more comfortable stance - "you're a misogynist". That way they don't have to deal with uncomfortable facts about themselves.

      Not saying that's the majority, but those types seem to be the most vocal about it.

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    4. Re:Overuse of the word "misogyny" by penandpaper · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't know the context from the quote to I cannot comment much aside from doesn't sound like she hates women.

      One of the interesting points that I have heard from her and my wife (who listens to her more than I) is if you call the women's abuse hotline it is; "go here we will help you, support you, etc." Call the mens hotline; "If you believe you are about to abuse your spouse." ( not quite the same thing but similar that sort of corroborates what they have said)

      This disparity seems to be what Karen is mostly on about. Women can be the perpetrators of domestic violence yet we have seen feminists not only mock but block any effort to help victims.

      There are legitimate reasons for MRAs to exist right now because there are objective legal rights and laws that favor women over men this being one example. I do not know of a single objective law or right that favors men so explicitly.

      the movement as a whole is associated with groups like A Voice for Men and tends to spout misogynist rhetoric via its website.

      Yes, groups have extremist elements to it that does not undermine the objective rights that MRAs are seeking that men do not have. I have gotten in many arguments with MGTOW and other actual misogynists but from what I have seen is that most of their hatred comes from being abused either emotionally or physically.

      One quote out of context is not enough for me to call someone a misogynists. Especially when I have listened to their podcast (granted in the background so not really hanging on every word) and heard their ideas. They do not come off as misogynist. They seem concerned with the current state of affairs that says women can only be victims. She has identified laws that are sexists against men. She wants legal gender equality that currently favor women. How is that misogynist?

    5. Re:Overuse of the word "misogyny" by penandpaper · · Score: 2

      This seems oddly appropriate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Sure, some MRAs might be dicks... but there are legitimate concerns that should not be swept under the rug because muh soggy knees.

  3. Strange definition... by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    thinktank Demos counted the number of uses of "slut" and "whore" were used on Twitter to indicate misogyny

    Could the terms not have been used — if only in some cases — to indicate unhealthy promiscuity or express some other disapproval (e.g. "He is such a ratings-whore!")?

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    1. Re:Strange definition... by Nutria · · Score: 2

      Even worse, what idiot thinks that only "slut" and "whore" indicate misogyny?

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    2. Re:Strange definition... by jandersen · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...number of uses of "slut" and "whore"...

      A mildly comical story: The word "slut" - spelled exactly like that - means "the end" or "finished" in Danish. It became a bit embarassing once, in the 60es, I think, when they Danish Film Institute produced an educational documentary about life in Greenland in the modern world. It ended with a scene of a young, Greenlandish woman walking away from the camera and and the narrator asking "What does the future hold for her?2 - followed, as in all Danish films, by the word "SLUT". This was distributed to several countries, of course, what else?

  4. Misandry by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So when do they study misandry and start to treat that as seriously as misogyny? You can't be gender inclusive when you officially ignore hate speech and discrimination against half the population.

    1. Re:Misandry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jesus christ please no. I don't want fat neckbearded activists to use me as a shield while they openly display their batshit insanity and spout extreme bigotry on the internet and call it "progressivism". I don't want women at work to walk on eggshells around me because they're afraid I'll call them "misandrist" and they'll get fired. I don't want the retards to turn on me if I tell them to stop using me as a shield because "I'm in debt to them" and there's nothing a cult hates more than an apostate.

      I just want the madness to end, from both sides. Thank god people at least laugh at MRAs, even if they tolerate feminists.

    2. Re:Misandry by Livius · · Score: 2

      There's a reasonable argument that discrimination and other negativity directed towards women is more frequent, more pervasive, and more harmful, and that it's an efficient use of their energy to prioritize fighting that.

      There are, however, people who think misandry does not exist, or worse, who think discriminating against men is perfectly fine, and in fact men who complain about it aren't "real men" in the first place. These hypocrites are utterly blind to their own bigotry.

    3. Re:Misandry by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      So when do they study misandry and start to treat that as seriously as misogyny?

      I assume that by "they", you're not referring to these researchers in particular. I assume you mean researchers in general. So help me out here: How much research of your own did you do before you came to the conclusion that this is not a serious and active topic of research?

      Having said all that, let me remind you what we're talking about here. I don't know if you've ever noticed, but women comprise some of (possibly most of) the worst policers of women's appearance/behaviour/whatever out there. If you don't think that's an important topic to study, I don't know what to tell you.

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    4. Re:Misandry by tsotha · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't want women at work to walk on eggshells around me because they're afraid I'll call them "misandrist" and they'll get fired.

      I do. The only way this is going to "end, from both sides" is if women pay some kind of price for the monster they've created.

    5. Re:Misandry by sd4f · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, you see the (modern) feminists have already thought ahead of that. Because of patriarchy, males are the dominant gender, and therefore it is not possible to be sexist against them. Somehow, they managed to make females the minority, even though there's more females than males. This applies similarly to race and sexuality. So if you one the birth lottery by being born a white straight male, then they can criticise you for all those things and it's not racist or sexist, purely because the minorities are incapable of being so. By some strange (lack of) logic, they firmly believe that.

      In my mind, the "logic" is similar to dehumanising ideologies and practices such as lebensraum and untermensch, the bourgeoisie, eugenics, all in order to justify to their minds why they can hate other people purely for aspects that they were born with and couldn't control. In other words, they have other motives, but need some sort of justifiable "reasons" which appear to stand to some scrutiny.

    6. Re:Misandry by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. You're just applying the usual double standard. Men are expected to be strong and women are expected to be weak and you are just feeding that whole bit of social indoctrination.

      You're doing more harm than good with the pity party.

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    7. Re:Misandry by goose-incarnated · · Score: 2

      Jesus christ please no. I don't want fat neckbearded activists to use me as a shield while they openly display their batshit insanity and spout extreme bigotry on the internet and call it "progressivism". I don't want women at work to walk on eggshells around me because they're afraid I'll call them "misandrist" and they'll get fired. I don't want the retards to turn on me if I tell them to stop using me as a shield because "I'm in debt to them" and there's nothing a cult hates more than an apostate.

      I just want the madness to end, from both sides. Thank god people at least laugh at MRAs, even if they tolerate feminists.

      Seconded. I could not have said it better myself (Quoting this in full, because parent is not moderated high enough).

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    8. Re:Misandry by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      I just want the madness to end, from both sides. Thank god people at least laugh at MRAs, even if they tolerate feminists.

      MRAs are a reaction to 3rd wave feminists, radfems and TERFs pushing so hard that men are now being disadvantaged in the legal system and other facets of society. Ever wonder why today's feminism goes out of it's way to attack individuals? It's because every other facet is scared that a group of shrieking harpies screaming sexism will show up and they'll have a PR problem. It's not any different then the long-cons run by Al Sharpton, et.al., either based on race.

      I'm sure not a MRA, but I can sure see where they're coming from. Most other people would too, if they spent a couple of afternoons watching family court proceedings(as an example). Where the women is a substance abuser, abuses the kids, house is literally a roach shack and is awarded custody and the man is left paying for it all with zero visitation rights.

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  5. 50% eh? by whoozwah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If 50% of all misogynistic tweets come from women, then it can fairly easily be extrapolated that the whole of modern culture hates women equally. If that's the case, maybe it's the women that need to change?

  6. Slut/Whore. by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Rerun the test with Bitch and Cunt. See if the demographics don't change.

    I'm not saying men don't say 'slut' and 'whore'. But those terms are mostly used by catty bitches talking shit about each other. Truth: Most men kind of like sluts, less work. It's women that hate sluts, sluts drive down 'the market' for pussy.

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  7. Re:the other 50% are men? by VikingNation · · Score: 2

    Your comment raises a good question. What was the ratio of men to women in the study 50%/50%? Did women represent 30% of the study but they have a higher proportion of messages that were negative?

  8. What's your definition of misogynist? by boudie2 · · Score: 2

    H.L. Mencken — 'Misogynist: A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.'

  9. This proves exactly nothing by nintendoeats · · Score: 2

    I bet you that 50% of Nazi jokes are made by women as well. I make racist, homophobic and sexist jokes. I am in no way any of those things (and no, I am not interested in being told otherwise by a stranger). Those types of jokes and words are funny because we know they are absurd and a bit innapropriate.

    This does not mean that racism, homophobia and sexism do not exist. Simply that the only way to identify those attitudes in a person is to discuss what they believe and watch what they do. A study like this only tells us what is happening on the very surface of pop culture. That is interesting in itself, but you must be very careful what you extract from it. As happens so often, these people have started with a conclusion and would have concluded that it was proven no matter what the data said.

  10. men are still at fault, of course by ooloorie · · Score: 5, Funny

    If women engage in "misogynistic speech", it must be because men forced them to internalize misogyny! What other explanation could there be?

  11. Who's a slut? Me! Me! I'll be a slut! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The way society is today, in most cases, only a black person is likely to remain socially (and perhaps physically) unchallenged if calling a black person, including themselves, a "nigger." It fairly clearly follows that only a woman is likely to be able to call another woman a slut under the same broad umbrella of conceptual shared circumstances.

    Sometimes a black person may mean "nigger" just as it is defined: ignorant, etc. Or some variation of ironic racist classing, inclusive or not. Sometimes, it's a term of endearment.

    Same for women calling each other sluts.

    Speaking as a man, if some woman called me a slut, I'd be all like "oh, you bet. No doubt at all. Totally." Without any worries about it. Because I aspire to sluthood. I would totally be down for it... er, up for it... If some woman within my esthetic preference range were to say "hey, wanna screw like bunnies?" :)

    Because there is a difference in the male and female perception of who calls whom, what, and why, and how our various self-image / social preconceptions integrate with all that. Turns out we might want to consider each other's feelings, etc. Not to mention potential ass-kicking issues.

  12. slut and whore? by Dahamma · · Score: 2

    Those are the words they are using to determine the percentage of female Twitter bullies?

    This doesn't prove women bully other women as much as men do, it just proves women are a lot less creative in their bullying (clearly no one involved in the study is actually a woman receiving any typical form of Twitter misogyny). But I guess that's the kind of idiotic non-science you get from a "think tank"...

  13. Re:Does anyone else hate Discourse forums? by mrbester · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It isn't nicknamed dick sauce (or disco horse or other variants) for nothing.

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  14. People laugh at MRAs by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Informative

    Thank god people at least laugh at MRAs

    Yes they do, but the father's amongst them stop laughing and join them when they loose their children to state sponsored sexual discrimination in family court. The common default custody arrangement in US family law is for the man to get 1 day per week custody and the woman to get 6 days per week, the man then has the privilege of paying the expenses for the extra time that is AUTOMATICALLY awarded to the woman. A recent bill in Florida that tried to change the mandated default to 50/50 custody was vetoed by the governor. Ironically every mainstream feminist organisation in the US continues to lobby in support of the only current example of systemic state sponsored sexual discrimination anyone can point to in the US.

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  15. New dictionary entry by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    misogyny, n: Disagreeing with a Feminist.

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