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Smartphone Surveillance Tech Used To Target Anti-Abortion Ads At Pregnant Women (rewire.news)

VoiceOfDoom writes: Rewire reports: "Last year, an enterprising advertising executive based in Boston, Massachusetts, had an idea: Instead of using his sophisticated mobile surveillance techniques to figure out which consumers might be interested in buying shoes, cars, or any of the other products typically advertised online, what if he used the same technology to figure out which women were potentially contemplating abortion, and send them ads on behalf of anti-choice organizations?"

Regardless of one's personal stance on the pro-choice/anti-abortion debate, the unfettered use of tracking and ad-targeting technology which makes this kind of application possible is surely a cause for concern. In Europe, Canada and many other parts of the world, the use of a person's data in this way would be illegal thanks to strict privacy laws. Is it time for the U.S. to consider a similar approach to protect its citizens?
Google has been reportedly tracking users on around 80 percent of all 'Top 1 Million' domains. Facebook is doing something similar. A recent report shows that Facebook uses smartphone microphones to identify the things users are listening to or watching based on the music and TV shows its able to identify. Facebook says the feature must be turned on, and that "it's only active when you're writing a status update."

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  1. So what by NotInHere · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Telling women to not do abortions is nothing bad IMO. Its what ads are about: telling us to do different stuff. Its what made google rich.

    What IS bad though is to forbid abortions, because this will just lead to women who want to abort their child to use more dangerous methods.

    1. Re:So what by mark-t · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So unless a company telling you to go and get a new product is willing to buy it for you, it's none of their business as well?

      The entire point of ads is about making suggestions that company thinks you ought to do. While it certainly is none of their business what you actually end up doing, by the very definition of "advertising", it *IS* their business to tell you what they think you should do.

  2. Article says saving unborn babies is evil! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't suppose there's a less biased, neutral toned article on this subject available to read, is there?

  3. Re:Amerian values by PPH · · Score: 2

    But here in the US, corporations....

    "You will do as you are told. Until the rights to you are sold."
    - F. Zappa

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  4. Double standard by Livius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I realize that people are emotional about abortion, but objectively this is no more creepy or unethical than anything else in the advertising industry.

  5. VoiceOfDoom, *FUCK YOU*!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TFA:

    ... on behalf of anti-choice ...

    Fuck you, VoiceOfDoom

    What is the fucking point of inserting an inflammatory / accusatory 'anti-choice' label in the article?

    This is Slashdot, not some pro-choice / pro-life forum

    VoiceOfDoom, go fuck youself !

    1. Re:VoiceOfDoom, *FUCK YOU*!! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      hat is the fucking point of inserting an inflammatory / accusatory 'anti-choice' label in the article?

      Because the term, "pro-life" really doesn't have any meaning. What life? Whose life? Just human life or does it cover viruses?

      I find "pro-reproductive rights" and "anti-reproductive rights" to be more accurate and less inflammatory.

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    2. Re:VoiceOfDoom, *FUCK YOU*!! by rworne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That may be less inflammatory, but the subject is abortion, not reproductive rights as a whole.

      I do like the nice, friendly and progressive sounding "pro-choice" moniker. And the cuddly, protective, "pro-life" one.

      But why not just call it what it is and be done with it?

      pro-abortion/anti-abortion

      No need to sugar coat it. If you need to sugar coat it to make it palatable, there is something wrong with it.

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    3. Re: VoiceOfDoom, *FUCK YOU*!! by jmac_the_man · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "anti-choice" is an insane way to describe anti-abortion activists. (It's also inaccurate in this story. The ads were sold to Crisis Pregnancy Centers, which help women in need have their baby.)

      That said, "anti-choice" only appears in a direct quote from the ridiculous article. VoiceOfDoom uses the phrase "anti-abortion."

    4. Re:VoiceOfDoom, *FUCK YOU*!! by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because nobody I know who is pro-choice is pro-abortion. Every one of them would prefer there be fewer abortions. Note, it's the pro-choice people that are involved in reporoductive rights issues that lead to lower pregnancy rates. The fewer unwanted pregnancies, the fewer the abortions. So many (almost all I know) pro-choice people are anti-abortion.

      Pro-choice and anti-choice seems to sum up the sides more accurately. One side wants to allow a legal choice. The other doesn't. The rest is emotional smokescreen.

    5. Re:VoiceOfDoom, *FUCK YOU*!! by matbury · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That may be less inflammatory, but the subject is abortion, not reproductive rights as a whole.

      Actually, 95% of the services that the clinics that the anti-choice activists are shutting down are reproductive healthcare, so the issue IS reproductive rights for people who can't afford private healthcare. When you shut down so called abortion clinics, the rates of sexually transmitted diseases and unwanted pregnancies spike. I guess you could say that anti-choice supporters are pro-backstreet abortion.

    6. Re:VoiceOfDoom, *FUCK YOU*!! by dbIII · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Another way to look at it:

      Intrusive nanny-statists that want red tape in the bedroom and those that are not.

      That really shows up that many of those that screech "small government" are not - they want to regulate what goes on in bedrooms and where you go to piss.

      Is where you go to piss ontopic for Slashdot? Of course it is. It's an I pee address.

    7. Re: VoiceOfDoom, *FUCK YOU*!! by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      How about account by dollars allocated to each service.

      Those numbers are available. That you don't quote them indicates you'd rather push your agenda than the truth.

    8. Re: VoiceOfDoom, *FUCK YOU*!! by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Crisis Pregnancy Centers exist to give women a very firm push towards making the decision the center operators want her to make, and they aren't above the use of deception or emotional manipulation to achieve that goal.

    9. Re: VoiceOfDoom, *FUCK YOU*!! by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yep. Especially the post-natal ones.

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    10. Re:VoiceOfDoom, *FUCK YOU*!! by physicsphairy · · Score: 2

      As long we apply this to every single other political issue which exists. Because gun rights is just as validly "pro-choice" vs. "anti-choice." And school vouchers. And if cities/states choose to implement capital punishment. Etc. Or do you have a particular reason why "choice" is a word which politically is only about abortion and nothing else?

      Personally, I really hate this Orwellian crap where you try to win your ideological battles by modifying the dictionary. Pro-abortion/anti-abortion clearly defines the territorial ground (and frankly gives abortion supporters the slightly more favorable "pro" adjective).

      The point where you want 'pro-choice' to go alongside 'anti-abortion' because of your claims about what else your political side represents. . . that is a ridiculous self-serving waste of everyone's time. How does it sound if I say, "People who support a broad second amendment interpretation are actually ANTI-GUN because increasing legal carriers deters criminal gun use"?

    11. Re: VoiceOfDoom, *FUCK YOU*!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And women's reproductive health clinics push them towards having abortions, and they aren't above the use of deception or emotional manipulation to achieve that goal.

      That's how the world works. People push what they want. No surprises here.

  6. Re:Anti-Choice? WTF by roninmagus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So these people are "pro-choice" and others are "pro-life." Doesn't it make sense if you're an ideologue to take away the positive connotations of "pro" and even "life" by calling your opponents "anti-choice?"

  7. Progressvies, *FUCK YOU*!! by mi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yep, TFA is about convincing women to make the right choice. But for "progressives" some choices are more equal than others.

    Choosing to have a baby makes you "anti-choice".

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    1. Re:Progressvies, *FUCK YOU*!! by mi · · Score: 2

      Deciding that a government should choose

      There is not a word about "government" in TFA.

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  8. Choice between what? by mi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Because the term, "pro-life" really doesn't have any meaning. What life?

    It has just as much meaning as the term "pro-choice". Which choice? What are the options?

    Whose life?

    That of a human fetus. Which — to millions of people world-wide — is already a human being. The choice, which you and VoiceOfDoom wish to preserve, has two options in these millions' opinion:

    • murder
    • new human life

    Because they consider abortion to be murder, they don't view this particular choice as legitimate.

    Not sure, whether the organizations mentioned in TFA think so, or simply wish to increase the birth-rates in USA. But even in the former case, they are not "anti-choice" in general — they are against offering this particular choice.

    No doubt, there are a lot of things you think ought to be illegal — even if abortion is not among them. That makes you "ant-choice" too, whenever the choice is between doing and not doing one of those things...

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    1. Re:Choice between what? by mi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you believe this is a human being?

      I think, I worded my posting most carefully to avoid specifying my own opinion.

      Do not make it personal.

      The point remains — the people, whom you denounce as "anti-choice", are not — contrary to your implication — against choice in general. They are against the particular choice between having an abortion and not having one.

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    2. Re:Choice between what? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Does a zygote or a blastula count as a living human being? I'd say, sure it is. It's obviously not a camel. But it's certainly not yet a "person", and doesn't "deserve the same rights as other human beings". 90% of them end up falling into the toilet anyway. Nature doesn't give a crap about "human rights". Life on Earth is supposed to be a bitch, especially if you haven't been born yet, and people need to grow up and realize that.

    3. Re:Choice between what? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One prank I love is posting a picture of a fetus, and asking someone, "Do you really think this counts as a human being?"

      "Of course it is, you monster!

      "Then you're an idiot, because that's a cat fetus."

    4. Re:Choice between what? by flghtmstr1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Incorrect. Attack the argument, not the speaker. An argument stands on its own merits regardless of any bias, credentials, etc. the speaker may have.

    5. Re:Choice between what? by mrbester · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's also a certain irony that those who cry "murder" are living in a country with a death penalty.

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    6. Re:Choice between what? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The jokes gets even more bizarre when you realize that the people who cry bloody murder over abortion (quite literally so) are usually very much the same that think the death penalty is a really swell idea.

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    7. Re:Choice between what? by mi · · Score: 2

      fucked up people in government out there that want to get in the way between doctor and patient in life and death situations

      Happens all the time. FDA would not let terminal cancer patients try experimental treatments, for example — not without lengthy application and review process — yet, when I rail about FDA's power here, my opponents are usually people, who do not mind abortions.

      There are some seriously fucked up people in government out there

      You are not kidding. Many countries — including Mexico and Ireland — ban abortions either from day one (Christianity teaches, that "life begins at conception"), or limit it beyond fairly early into gestation. For example, the Worker's Paradise[TM] of Cuba allows it for up to 10 weeks only — beyond that woman needs "special permissions".

      If that's not excessive red tape and "nanny state" then I don't know what is.

      The usual arguments against nanny state concentrate on what the state wishes to do to you, or prevent you from doing to your own self. Preventing you from killing another human being — even if it is to save yourself — is generally uncontroversial.

      Unless it is a case like this one, when the debating parties can not agree on whether fetus is already a human being or not...

      So, the abortion debate is not about "nanny state", nor is it about "choice" or "life". It is about whether the fetus is a human.

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  9. Re:Anti-Choice? WTF by BoogieChile · · Score: 2

    Well, no, they aren't because they aren't forcing people to have abortions.

    As opposed to the anti-abortion types who want to force people to have babies.

  10. Re:You oppose offering help? Promote abortion? Hon by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2

    It goes beyond "ideology". Spreading misinformation and lying to patients about made-up bullshit like fetal pain and post-abortion suicide is just fraud and harassment.

  11. Re:Anti-Choice? WTF by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Informative

    Pro-life is more likely to be pro-death (penalty). So the moniker doesn't appear accurate. It's not about "life". It's about control. When you are seeing a doctor that performs abortions, one side wants you to have two choices. The other, only one. So one is pro-choice. And the other is anti-choice.

    Pro-choice is also anti-abortion. A pro-choice person is more likely to support condom distribution and use, which decreases abortions. So pro-choice is more anti-abortion than anti-choice people. Anti-choice is about power and control (and punishment), not the baby.

  12. Moral relativity by Maxx169 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is it wrong to target a problem drinker with ads for AA? How about targeting problem drinkers with free booze? What about targeting young mothers with ads for 'family planning' services, or as the article suggests pregnant women with 'pro-life' services? I'm sure there is a line there somewhere. Morality is a funny, fuzzy deeply personal thing... and I guess the line will vary from person to person.

    Disclaimer: I am very strongly pro-choice (where choice is the right for a woman to seek an abortion if she wants).

  13. Re:Anti-Choice? WTF by richpoore · · Score: 2
    Both sides advocate for the removal of choice, it's just which choices they feel are legitimate.

    The left is more likely to remove the choice of gun ownership, the choice of who you can do business with, what size soda you can buy, or what you can say as a religious leader.

    The right is more likely to remove the choice of whether you can kill your fetus or baby (depending on your viewpoint)

    Whether abortion should be legal really comes down to a belief. When does a person become a person? If you believe a person becomes a person when they exit their mother's womb, then you should have no problem with the term pro-abortion. If that's your belief, then you shouldn't even care if there are fewer abortions. It's just a medical procedure extracting unwanted cells from a woman's body. If, however, you believe a person becomes a person before that, then under no circumstances, other than the certainty of making a choice between the mother's or the baby's life, should someone be allowed to kill the baby at that point.

    I've heard people point to many tests to determine person-hood: viability, heartbeat, sensing pain, the ability to survive on it's own (which may not really happen well into childhood). It's really a question of when does a child obtain rights.

    Personally, I find it unscientific and arbitrary to say a person becomes a person because they changed location.

  14. Re:retard girl by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    A Trump presidency is the best that could happen to me, to be honest. I really expect this to increase our economic viability along with my own.

    Then again, I'm not in the US...

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  15. This is about privacy NOT about abortion by houghi · · Score: 2

    The abortion part is clickbait. What this is about is if privacy laws should be stricter in the US. The information of people was sold and is used. In Europe this is not allowed. From somebody who lives in Europe, this could be a bit stricter. So how does it work in Europe?

    So I worked for CompanyA who had clients (companies) that had customers (people). They decided to close and sell the product portofolio to CompanyB. The customers would still be able to keep the identical product with the same name and what not.
    As we sold the product and not the customer, we were not allwed to just send a file with everything to CompanyB and have it automated. What we did was
    1) Send a letter that we were going to stop
    2) Inform them that if they want, they can cancel
    3) If they did not cancel, they would be contacted by CompanyB
    4) CompanyB (where I work now) send a letter to the customer saying they would now be dealing with the product
    5) The customer needed to sign a new contract
    6) All contracts needed to be verified and treated as if they were a new customer (because in reality they were)

    The period of transfer CompanyA asked sometimes info about customers that, even while available, we were not allowed to give.

    For me personaly this was nice, as I was working for CompanyA while being paid by CompanyB.

    Other things mean that if your spouse calls for info, we are not allowed to give it, unless it is explicitely allowed. Mind you, most companies do not honor that last one.

    Direct marketing to people is very restricted. It is allowed to customers you have a business relation with (e.g. people who bought something from you) but not to others. So no buying of data and sending then mail or what not.

    If people ask to stop sending stuff, you better agree with that.

    To me the privacy laws are not going far enough, but that is just a personal opinion.

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  16. Abortion is wrong and should be criminalized. by Theovon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The inflammatory title is meant to get attention. However, I also believe it’s true (for most cases).

    We find it distasteful to force arbitary morals onto people or bombard them with propaganda and ads. Privacy violations are wrong too, and that’s what this article is really about. But the abortion issue itself is something that can be looked at objectively. And I want to understand how some people can claim to value human life on the one hand and then blithely throw it awas on the other hand.

    There are situations where abortions are medically necessary (like when the mother’s life is threatened by the pregnancy), and there are some gray areas when it comes to serious developmental defects that are often terminal anyway. But a lot of the time, abortion is used as retroactive contraception. People with no self-control or forward planning ability have sex, and pregnancy happens. There are lots of ways to prevent pregnancy in the first place, not the least of which is to find a partner of the same sex, which is something we honestly need to push our society into taking advantage of more.

    But hey, let’s just terminate human life willy-nilly because it’s fucking convenient for us! As someone who is liberal about most things, I see abortion (most of the time) as a massive shirking of personal responsibility. CHOICES have consequences, and you should have to deal with them and not force others to pay for your mistakes or, say, murder someone over it.

    This is what I really don’t get about the “pro choice” people. A human fetus does indeed have an underdeveloped nervous system, so killing it is not the same as torture. At the same time, you can also kill adults painlessly, yet we don’t have clinics where you can take your office enemies to have them euthanized. A human fetus is definitely alive, and it’s definitely human. So why do people make some arbitrary distinction that because it hasn’t been BORN yet, it’s okay to murder it? (I’m using the word “murder” because I don’t want to hide behind euphamisms. Deal with it. Abortion is killing someone who is not threatening your life, which makes it at least manslaughter.)

    Hey, maybe you want to live in a society ruled by social darwinism, where there’s are no rules against killing people. Most slashdotters would have been killed by now by bullies in highschool in that case, so you should appreciate the systems of laws and morals that protect you. I don’t care if you’re devoutly religious or an atheist, we have solid grounds for human societies to have ethics. And we as humans have decided that killing your fellow humans is wrong. Interestingly, I find atheists to often have a stronger sense of morality, because they don’t have religious fervor to tell them when it’s okay to break their own rules to force someone else to live by their bizarre and arbitrary religious tennets. So just to be clear, this is not a religious issue.

    Indeed, putting stupid religions aside, most people find murder to be objectively wrong. We value human life, instinctively, unless we’re psychopaths. It doesn’t matter if Christians tell you murder is wrong because Christians have been known to murder in the name of their God. The same is true of Muslims. When wars are fought and terrorists bomb airports, the rest of the world stands aghast at the needless loss of human life over stupid idiological issues.

    So don’t distort the abortion issue into a right vs. left thing or a stupid religious issue. 99% of religion is bullshit, and we don't get the idea of murder being wrong from religion.

    Often single mothers are vilified, especially if they’re in high school. (Although most abortions, I think, are not had by high school girls.) And the fathers frequently skip town or deny responsibility. A girl who has a baby before she can finish her college degree is typically screwed in more ways th

  17. Re:You oppose offering help? Promote abortion? Hon by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    Some may feel that abortion is similar to murder.

    those women are the women who never even consider getting abortions.

    You say there is an "opposing idealogy". There is an idealogy which opposes offering help and encouragement to people who are facing difficult challenges?

    yes, there is. have you see what protesters write on their signs at abortion clinics? they don't right, "we want to help you," they write shit like, "murdering whores burn in hell" which i feel is exceptionally unhelpful.

    Is that YOUR ideology? If so, you've been unusually honest, probably unintentionally.

    you've taken a benign comment and attacked me out of personal zeal for your point of view. i hope you can learn some self-control because the world does not need more people lashing out emotionally.

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  18. Re:You oppose offering help? Promote abortion? Hon by deadwill69 · · Score: 2

    This is a farce and you know it. After growing up in one of these religious families, protesting, and volunteering for five years at one of these centers, these organization are fooling you. It is an emotional draw to influence political opinion and nothing else. These centers provide vague and borderline false information to these struggling you children who generally get into this situation because nobody ever told them about how things work. Sorry. Abstinence works when it can be enforce or theory, but not in real life. So, you give them some diapers and some formula. That's going to help a lot. What's this young mom going to do in 2 weeks when she has to go back to work. She already dropped out of school for the semester. You going to provide child care? Health care? I think not. That's when we dump them on the welfare rolls and then call them worthless because they can't afford the time to better themselves because we lied to them about some personal feel good agenda. We never stop to think of how the consequences truly affect things. Now we've just caused a promising you life to be relegated to some second rate citizen that we scoff at because they got pregnant. Hypocritical much?

  19. Re:It's called pro-life, not "anti-choice." by gameboyhippo · · Score: 2

    I think this is the strength of the Democratic Party and how they are able to fool so many young people today with their Orwellian tactics.