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WWII Code-Breaker Dies At Age 95 (washingtonpost.com)
An anonymous reader quotes an article from the Washington Post:
Jane Fawcett, a British code-breaker during World War II who deciphered a key German message that led to the sinking of the battleship Bismarck -- one of Britain's greatest naval victories during the war -- died May 21 at her home in Oxford, England. She was 95... Fluent in German and driven by curiosity, Mrs. Fawcett -- then known by her maiden name, Jane Hughes -- found work at Britain's top-secret code-breaking facility at Bletchley Park, about 50 miles northwest of London. Of the 12,000 people who worked there, about 8,000 were women. Bletchley Park later became renowned as the place where mathematician Alan Turing and others solved the puzzle of the German military's "Enigma machine," depicted in the 2014 film "The Imitation Game"...
The sinking of the Bismarck marked the first time that British code-breakers had decrypted a message that led directly to a victory in battle... Mrs. Fawcett's work was not made public for decades. Along with everyone else at Bletchley Park, she agreed to comply with Britain's Official Secrets Act, which imposed a lifetime prohibition on revealing any code-breaking activities.
Meanwhile, volunteers from The National Museum of Computing at Bletchley Park finally tracked down an original keyboard from the Lorenz machine used to encode top-secret messages between Hitler and his general. It was selling on eBay for 10 pounds, advertised as an old machine for sending telegrams.
The sinking of the Bismarck marked the first time that British code-breakers had decrypted a message that led directly to a victory in battle... Mrs. Fawcett's work was not made public for decades. Along with everyone else at Bletchley Park, she agreed to comply with Britain's Official Secrets Act, which imposed a lifetime prohibition on revealing any code-breaking activities.
Meanwhile, volunteers from The National Museum of Computing at Bletchley Park finally tracked down an original keyboard from the Lorenz machine used to encode top-secret messages between Hitler and his general. It was selling on eBay for 10 pounds, advertised as an old machine for sending telegrams.
Maybe NASA can find the Apollo 11 tapes on eBay.
Table-ized A.I.
Greetings from Poland. Our enigma clone and hard work of our best code breakers is yours for free. You can forget us later. Or better still, make us the bad guys when you make a film about all this.
EVC
"We said 'Thank you very much, how much was it again?' She said '£9.50', so we said 'Here's a £10 note - keep the change!'"
The ethics of doing that, as opposed to informing the owner that she has a possibly valuable artifact are murky for me. I'm not questioning legality, but morality. I think that, in some way, Mr. Wetter tricked that woman out of the difference between 10 pounds and whatever she could have gotten at an auction not in eBay but at Sotheby's.
One can argue that she didn't do her due diligence, but the piece was a very specialized one. One can argue that Mr. Wetter's efforts in getting his specialized knowledge grants him the possible boons of that knowledge, like in the joke of the engineer and the 10.000 dollar bill for turning a screw. One can argue that Mr. Wetter didn't want profit himself, but wanted to preserve the artifact for the community. All these are valid points.
But in the end, the basis of morality boils down to "Do unto others". I know I wouldn't like that happening to me, and so wouldn't Mr. Wetter, I'd guess.
Rome taught me patience and assiduous application to detail. Virtues which temper the boldness of great, general views.
...that led to the sinking of the battleship Bismarck -- one of Britain's greatest naval victories during the war...
Really? Sinking one dreadnought, that was one of the highlights of British WWII naval operations? I realise that there wasn't much traditional dreadnought on dreadnought action for the British surface fleet in the European theatre of operations during WWII since the Germans hardly bothered to build any dreadnoughts but the importance of the hunt for the Bismarck has quite frankly been blown up to quite ridiculous proportions. This epic conflict between the Bismarck and the Royal Navy is a bit like the epic football rivalry between Germany and Britain, it's very important to the British while the Germans hardly know it exists (They are obsessed with beating the Dutch). To the Germans the Bismarck was just another warship that was sunk during WWII albeit a pretty big and expensive one but it's not the national trauma that you'd think given what an epic status the Bismarck hunt has attained in the UK. The Norwegian campaign proved once and for all that he who rules the seas is he who can project the most air power over strategic distances, not he who owns lots of battleships because aircraft will slaughter dreadnoughts in the absence of carrier cover; so why build dreadnoughts? Germany, with a tiny surface navy, occupied Norway in a series of amphibious and airborne operations that left it painfully clear that even if the British fleet had the firepower to intervene they were not able to do so because the fleet lacked even the airpower to simply figure out what was going on let alone challenge the Luftwaffe for air superiority over the battlespace. Even if the Royal Navy had had a couple more carriers available during the Norway campaign the Germans still would have swept their aircraft from the skies because the Luftwaffe would still have outnumbered the Royal Naval Air Arm by 5:1, they could project way more airpower over strategic distances. If there was anybody left who believed that dreadnoughts were still part of the future of modern navies (Ronald Reagan was one of the last hold-outs I think) then that illusion was dispelled by Pearl Harbour, Midway and other carrier battles in the Pacific. The Bismarck was just one more nail in the coffin of the dreadnought and the death of the big battleships hit the British quite a lot harder than the Germans if only because they had invested ridiculous amounts of money in them. The Americans on the other hand quite matter of factly phased the dreadnought out in favour of carriers and, apart form Reagan bringing the USS Missouri out of mothballs for a while in a fit of romanticism and nostalgia, they never looked back. Of course the Americans could afford that in the aftermath of WWII while the British could not afford to modernise and transition to a carrier navy that could hold a candle to the old dreadnought navy in terms of size and relative firepower.
RIP
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Ohhh, can I be there when you try to tell that to a Russian WW2 veteran? Pretty please?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
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He's selling it on ebay
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
Why? Nobody really gave me a sensible (!!!) answer to that question. And before "why" is answered sensibly there is exactly zero reason to continue the discussion.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Or a finn fighting off the russians.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
as opposed to humorous Aspergers?
But never forget that by the end of the war over half of the Bombes were being built and run in the US.
Poland figured out how to break Engima.
Britain worked out how to do it on a industrial scale.
The US provided a large part of the industrial effort.
And, before we get all starry eyed about Bletchley Park, don't forget the the Government cipher school became GCHQ and the American side became the NSA.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
Because (roughly) half of all the people in the wold are women, and only an idiot wastes half of all his resources.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
No, worse. Dramatic Asperger's.
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Keep in mind in the years and decades to come you will yourself creep closer to the years where the number of your peers dwindle or fall by the wayside.
Suddenly, 'someone old died' becomes much more important to getting an idea how much time you have left, or what the world might change like by the time you get there.
We want details.
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
So, you don't care about historical geeky stuff. Then don't fucking read it.
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So, those women decided to choose other career fields. Does that mean they chose incorrectly? Does that mean those career fields are in some way inferior? Your statement assumes those resources aren't already put to good use, doing something that they actually desire instead of some politically correct idea that all women want to be like men.
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Until we figure out, we just won't ever know. This is the entirety of the issue, which you seem to have missed entirely.
Details? People get old and die. I hear it is very common.
Until we figure out, we just won't ever know. This is the entirety of the issue, which you seem to have missed entirely.
Yeah, maybe my 40+ years working in computing, with women, for women, and hiring women, makes me clueless. And fwiw, I was raised by a single mom, was a single dad with a daughter, and married a women who's in the field and makes more than me. So, no I'm sure I don't understand the issues...other than the fact that SJWs think they can change nature. I'm all in favor of giving women equal opportunities. What I'm not in favor of is doing so at the expense of others. Nor am I in favor of social experiments at the expense of others...until we "figure out" that we don't know what we were talking about in the first fucking place.
I see in my own company, women being hired over more qualified men, being given larger pay raises, and more promotions. All because of this perceived injustice. But nobody gives a shit that someone else has to pay for that. Am I bitter? Not at all, I've done very well for myself. But when I see people being promoted because of their sex or race instead of their skills, it pisses me off.
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See, and I come from a slightly different social background, and here, women especially in computer science, physics and math are much more common. So apparently, you raise your daughters so differently from us, that you don't have that many women in STEM. And here is the point: What are you doing differently, and why do you think your way of doing things is somehow normal?
You are absolutely right. We are back to the original point. Giving promotion, pay raises, etc based on sex or race because we decided faked equality is more important than rewarding genuine talent is a huge waste of resources.
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Yeah, why would the history of cryptography interest Slashdot readers?
You are welcome on my lawn.
It might have been a strategic victory, but a very pyhric one.
The Hood went down with only 3 survivors
Code breaking was more important in the fight against U-Boats
A 95 year old woman dies. Is this what "news for nerds" has become?
No matter how interesting her early life, the death is hardly news, and not the best starting point for a nerdy discussion. So I will just moan about the editors instead.
Good job, and thanks much for your valuable input.
Consider that if Slashdot pulled every article that some guy on the internet didn't think belonged there, there would be nothing.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
The Official Secrets Act still exists, and people still sign it. The fact that you thought it was some relic of WW2 proves that it's still effective - because people are NOT blabbing about their work or posting images of their equipment. For one thing, anyone who's invited to sign it has probably already been vetted and proven to be not that kind of person, and second, if they ever did do something of the sort, you can bet they'd be out of a job within less than 12 hours, at the very least, and most likely on a charge of some sort.
So, you don't care about historical geeky stuff. Then don't fucking read it.
But I think bitching about Slashdot stories is some folks major contribution.
Hard to imagine that early computing devices and the people that used them are considered not appropriate for Slashdot by some users.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
other than the fact that SJWs think they can change nature
Oh, dear. You're one of "those". End of conversation.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
Like, oh, I don't know, the United States?
Besides, the Winter War was in full swing by the end of 39, maybe that could count for something.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Sorry, I didn't get the memo that forbade women to enter STEM fields, when did Saudi Arabia start dictating our laws?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Maybe history, codebreaking, and the passing of a generation of people who did amazing things seems neither interesting nor worthy to you, but trust me, your needless bitching is much less so.
For conscience is the wound, and there's naught to staunch it
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Must be a Reddit reject lol
Jack of all trades,master of none
My cynical Asperger's prevents me from laughing.
Wow. What exactly do you have to do to get rejected by Reddit?
It's not location either, it's time. America had a lot more women in computer science, math, and engineering discliplines 30 years ago.
Computer science isn't much about science anymore, and only a passing recognition of computers. It's all about programming and IT now. So you have major universities treating their computer science departments as mere trade schools. In the past I saw lots more women in computer science, my first after-college job was half men half women.
It's not aobut promoting the best and brightest though. Because every where I've worked there are men who are utter morons who get promoted quickly. In my view you won't have equality until dumb women get hired at the same rate as dumb men, whereas those preferring the status quo naively claim we have a merit system.
One snag I see is that most jobs are acquired through networking. Someone knows someone else and refers them. So men tend to refer men more often. I have also seen when one person leaves a job and goes elsewhere that an entire group of friends also leaves and follows. Some jobs you see large chunks of workers who all knew each other at a previous company. Lots and lots of networking, so trying to get a foot in the door by submitting a blind resume isn't so effective.
I dunno, but any day now, someone is going to be bitching about a new CPU.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
other than the fact that SJWs think they can change nature
Oh, dear. You're one of "those". End of conversation.
Apparently, you're one of "those" who can't handle the truth.
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It is extremely interesting, but considering that there were ten thousand people working at that facility, the death of one of the must have been a fairly frequent occurrence in recent times. Was she the last one, or something similar? Quite recently (a few years ago?), the last (combatant) survivor of World War I died, for example.
Ezekiel 23:20
Yeah, why would the history of cryptography interest Slashdot readers?
Of course it does, but is this "history for nerds"? I'd prefer a genuine news item to lead in. The recent discovery of an encryption machine on eBay would be a slightly better example.
Miss Fawcett, was not a "code breaker" but one of thousands of of clerical workers, and whose skills were typing and fluency in German.
I'm sure her later career as an Opera singer would be far more interesting. RIP.
She did actually have an exceptionally interesting life after the war. But somehow, I don't think slashdot wants to talk about her musical career or conservation work.
A truly remarkable woman, but to slashdot, her death is just being used as excuse for another discussion on Bletchley Park, which of course is indeed very interesting.
A computer was someone who performed bulk computations ob paper or adding machine. Many were employed by military and insurance companies. During th first World War the profession shifted to female and stayed that way. The first machine computers in the 1940s where called electronic computers to distinguish from people. Then the bare word shifted meaning to just the machine. Some human computers became early coders, perhaps the highest fraction of females ever in that profession than any later time.